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    I have a build kit. my question is does the frame have a derailleur hanger? if not where do I get one?

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    I think the Sette frame looks more like the Flite 29er from a couple years back but that's just me. I don't have any specs on it, but that was my first thought when I saw the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patada
    Help me understand this . What hanger do I need to buy? I have to buy a hanger to to get this frame going? Or do I just have to buy one as a replacement? Thanks
    Interestingly the frame shows up with a derailluer hangar on the site now. I suppose they figured out it would be rather cheesy to sell the hangar separately.
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    Where's the hangar? Here it is.

    The Razzo does come with a hangar. Got the frame in yesterday. Pretty finish if you ask me.



    It also comes with a seatpost clamp which they do not picture. Oh and bubble wrap... wait, did I mention a frame box? All not pictured. I've purchased a lot of stuff from pricepoint and from my experience they know what they're doing.

    I've got more pictures of the Razzo on my blog, here.

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    I visited your blog Jery - and i gotta say I'd be a bit scared with the look of the welds on that frame. Not the most visually pleasing welds - but if they hold I guess that's all that matters. would make me a tad nervous though.

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    Agreed

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    I visited your blog Jery - and i gotta say I'd be a bit scared with the look of the welds on that frame. Not the most visually pleasing welds - but if they hold I guess that's all that matters. would make me a tad nervous though.
    Not visually pleasing. I'm 215 lbs so I'll put it through some abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    I visited your blog Jery - and i gotta say I'd be a bit scared with the look of the welds on that frame. Not the most visually pleasing welds - but if they hold I guess that's all that matters. would make me a tad nervous though.
    I think the welds look pretty strong. I hope it is fully penetrated. I have seen worse (my 1st bike)

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    Have you checked rear tire clearance yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    I visited your blog Jery - and i gotta say I'd be a bit scared with the look of the welds on that frame. Not the most visually pleasing welds - but if they hold I guess that's all that matters. would make me a tad nervous though.
    Looks about the same as a frame I got from the Canadian distributor Asama. Beat it up for a couple of years and still no probs.

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    looks like it's a thick coat of paint over the welds which hides em a bit...

    look forward to hearing how it rides... inexpensive 29er frames are a good thing
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    Nice deal but for the extra $50-70 I'd rather buy an Origin 8 Scout in Chro-Mo. I don't destroy steel as often as aluminum.

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    Hey guys, i just bought the Razzo frame from pricepoint and it does come with the rear hanger just so you know.

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    News flash: hanger update

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    The jist I got from them was that this frame is nearly at cost and that the hangar can not be included at that price.
    I got a followup email from Pricepoint this evening. Apparently, the frame does come with a hanger. This supported by locorider2008 post below.
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    Mike,

    My mistake, I had mistakenly informed you that the Razzo frame didnít come with a derailleur hanger; it actually does come with a derailleur hanger and can be set up as a geared bike.

    Sorry for any confusion.

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    ...when did origin 8 scout goto chromo?... (just saw it)... my shop still has the alu versions... the chain stays are NICE on the alu version
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadCowRider
    I got a followup email from Pricepoint this evening. Apparently, the frame does come with a hanger. This supported by locorider2008 post below.
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    Mike,

    My mistake, I had mistakenly informed you that the Razzo frame didnít come with a derailleur hanger; it actually does come with a derailleur hanger and can be set up as a geared bike.

    Sorry for any confusion.

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    Yup. I figured that part out. (See post #53)

    Thanks for the confirmation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donalson
    ...when did origin 8 scout goto chromo?... (just saw it)... my shop still has the alu versions... the chain stays are NICE on the alu version
    Actually, it always has been steel. The Alu version came out later.



    Here's the original prototype shown at 2006 Interbike. I wish they would have stuck with this design actually. Oh yeah, it's steel, by the way.
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    Sette Razzo frame vs....New 2009 Motobecane Outcast29 w/sliding disc tabs and optional derailleur hanger. (check bikeisland.com or for a better look, check bikeisland's ebay site. mmmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr
    Sette Razzo frame vs....New 2009 Motobecane Outcast29 w/sliding disc tabs and optional derailleur hanger. (check bikeisland.com or for a better look, check bikeisland's ebay site. mmmmm.
    What do you guys think of this comparison?
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    I don't know about the Motobecane, but I can tell you my Windsor welds look substantially better than those show in the picture on the Sette. Not saying the Windsor is a better frame but the welds look better. Also, my experience has been that two bolt hangers break really easy vs single bolt hangers.

    Just some observations...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    I don't know about the Motobecane, but I can tell you my Windsor welds look substantially better than those show in the picture on the Sette. Not saying the Windsor is a better frame but the welds look better. Also, my experience has been that two bolt hangers break really easy vs single bolt hangers.

    Just some observations...
    The new Moto Outcast29 hasn't been out that long, so I guess until more people have one this comparison will remain up in the air. I have one I got for my wife, but she doesn't ride that hard anyway,(towpaths,etc.), so I guess I can't help much either. I can tell you that the sliding disc tab & the derailleur hanger are very beefy and appear to be very strong.
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    I would expect the Motobecane welds to be good since Kinesis welds those frames up. My Windsor is actually made in China and the welds aren't perfect...but they aren't toothpasty either.

    The Razzo appears to be significantly lighter though (18" is 1470grams vs 19" Moto at 2223), thats about 1.5lbs. So I guess time will tell.

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    Nice frame. I have some spare parts laying around... humm perhaps this frame will make a nice home for them.

    I would suggest picking up at least one spare rear der hanger from Price Point. House brand frames don't have good long term support for small parts. I learned this lesson when my Nashbar frame needed a new rear der hanger, they said they were out for good stock wise.
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    hmmm those welds are not that pretty. any more pics anyone?
    I like to see some deatils around the seatstay and/or chainstay to the front triangle.
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    Second that...

    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    I would expect the Motobecane welds to be good since Kinesis welds those frames up. My Windsor is actually made in China and the welds aren't perfect...but they aren't toothpasty either.

    The Razzo appears to be significantly lighter though (18" is 1470grams vs 19" Moto at 2223), thats about 1.5lbs. So I guess time will tell.
    my Motobecane welds are okay, but there are some boogers in there. Not really 'high art'

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbchess
    hmmm those welds are not that pretty. any more pics anyone?
    I like to see some deatils around the seatstay and/or chainstay to the front triangle.
    I second this request for more pictures. I know there are always bad apples when it comes to frames, so I am hoping someone else has bought one with better aesthetics.

    I would love to have an excuse to buy one of these cause I am loving that weight for the price. Not super crazy bout that chrome paint though....which means this could also double as my introduction into frame painting.

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    This is what mine look like:




    linky to the rest of the frame pictures.

    Built it up as a SS with parts bin stuff.



    Build pictures here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowStorm
    Not super crazy bout that chrome paint though....which means this could also double as my introduction into frame painting.
    This frame is polished aluminum not paint. I wouldn't like chrome paint either. Just got mine as well, this frame is sick light!

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    Those that own the Sette, how tall are you and what size frame did you pick?

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    I'm 5"10" and got the 18" frame. I just got it built and will posts some pics. The complete bike came out really nice.

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    Awesome thanks!!!

    I'm 6' with a 34" inseam, I guess I'd go with the 20"/large.

    Looking forward to seeing the pics, what fork did you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helexia23
    Awesome thanks!!!

    I'm 6' with a 34" inseam, I guess I'd go with the 20"/large.

    Looking forward to seeing the pics, what fork did you use?
    That's probably a safe bet, and even safer if your current bike has a similar ETT (24.4")

    But, 6' with a 34" inseam means you have a slightly longish legs and therefore a shorter torso. If you also have shorter arms then you might feel a bit stretched out, but that also depends on your preference for position. Just trying to point out the possible variables.

    I myself am 6' .5" with a 34" inseam and I ride an Inbred with a 24.4" ETT. After testing lots of cockpit setups I settled on 2 options that work well: 110mm stem with a 17deg Salsa bar and a 75mm stem with a riser bar. Both have a similar reach. Hope that helps

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    Here's my finished product. I used the Reba SL fork. It weighs 24lbs with mostly X7 and Stylo cranks and Mavic TN719 wheelset.
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    Thanks for great info on this frame guys. I can't wait to hear some riding evals.
    Anyone check accuracy of the frame weight ? 3.25 for a medium from the website.
    I'm gunna pickup on this deal. Now if I can find some moots bolt on canti brake hangers.
    Btw, I really like the idea of the 5 year warranty Sette is offering on their products.
    Beats the heck out of Voodoo and many other 3 year warranty. Also, they responded quickly and nicely to my emails. Some of the more reasonably price frame manufacturers aren't nearly so expedient.
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    I wonder if you can remove the logo and graphics of the frame?

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    This bike is legit, I've ridden it a lot since I posted the last pic. Very fast and agile for a 29er. The frame weight is accurate too, so with enough cash it can rival anything out there right now.

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    If they made a steel version I might have been interested.

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    Howdy! I just ordered one of these. Any build issues? Everyone still happy with theirs? And, do the decals come off?

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    Feb. 28, Sycamore Canyon Trail, Riverside, CA

    I've had a few rides on mine as a rigid SS. It's very nice and light... I likey! I think my build was 22 lbs without using light parts other than the 200 gram saddle and the carbon fork. Wheelset are WTB Laserdiscs with formula hubs and tires are worn out Rampage/Ignitor. SS kit was from Performance (good bang for the buck by the way).

    No build problems.

    Decals do not come off, I've checked.

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    Thanks! I should be getting mine monday. I am going for a LIGHT build. I will post pics when it is done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruffrider
    This bike is legit, I've ridden it a lot since I posted the last pic. Very fast and agile for a 29er. The frame weight is accurate too, so with enough cash it can rival anything out there right now.
    Wanted to know about front derailluer of your build. Are you using a high clamp dual pull X.7?

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    I used an X.7 Low clamp Dual pull. It appeared that a high clamp might interfere with the lower bottle cage mount. So far the bike rides great and there were no build issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeryang

    Feb. 28, Sycamore Canyon Trail, Riverside, CA

    I've had a few rides on mine as a rigid SS. It's very nice and light... I likey! I think my build was 22 lbs without using light parts other than the 200 gram saddle and the carbon fork. Wheelset are WTB Laserdiscs with formula hubs and tires are worn out Rampage/Ignitor. SS kit was from Performance (good bang for the buck by the way).

    No build problems.

    Decals do not come off, I've checked.
    Read your excellent review on the carboncycle carbon fork.. I've should have read it earlier before buying WB carbon fork. I could have saved another $100 odd... bummers.

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    anyone got a pic of the 20" frame yet?

    *edit*
    jeryang is yours a 20"?
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    Decent frame for the money. I applaud them for keeping it light-ish AND for somebody actually publishing the weight!

    My question is how come peeps are always trying to compare this cheaper stuff to more expensive brands? Is it for the "look at me I got the same thing and paid less than you" aspect? And then they get all huffy (hey I made a bike pun!) when folks make fun of their comparisons to higher end hardware...

    I'm happy that 29ers are finally becoming a "bargain basement" item. The boutique stuff is sure nice for the connoisseurs, but we need the lower level market to keep the bike biz in business!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyglass
    Read your excellent review on the carboncycle carbon fork.. I've should have read it earlier before buying WB carbon fork. I could have saved another $100 odd... bummers.
    Thanks. I'm still using it. Going back and forth between FS and Rigid is a shock to the body, but I love climbing with the CC fork. Descending... takes some getting used to.


    Quote Originally Posted by donalson
    anyone got a pic of the 20" frame yet?

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    jeryang is yours a 20"?
    Yes, 20" I've got a 110mm stem, which I think I might swap to a 100. Otherwise, the fit is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deme Moore
    Decent frame for the money. I applaud them for keeping it light-ish AND for somebody actually publishing the weight!

    My question is how come peeps are always trying to compare this cheaper stuff to more expensive brands? Is it for the "look at me I got the same thing and paid less than you" aspect? And then they get all huffy (hey I made a bike pun!) when folks make fun of their comparisons to higher end hardware...

    I'm happy that 29ers are finally becoming a "bargain basement" item. The boutique stuff is sure nice for the connoisseurs, but we need the lower level market to keep the bike biz in business!
    Nah... I don't think it's because of making fun. It's more of a accomplishment! It is easier to break a bank to get all the stuff you want than to do it the other way round. You should be applauding the bikers who went the extra mile to count what's worth that penny for each part and where to get a true bargain. To me bargain hunters and weight weenies are the real bikers, they basically made each dollar look like a dollar instead of depreciating it. Obviously, I 'm pretty thankful for companies such as Sette, RST, Carboncycles, some others for making bike building sensible again else I wouldn't be even restarting my biking hobby. Food for thought: Why pay more when you can get it better and cheaper? Fancy being ripped off?

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    I'll be a saint here and disclose my components though I haven't done building completely yet (Too much work!!!). I will tell you how you can build a good and cheap sub 8kg 29er (excl. tires) and where to save and get these. I use SRAM X.9 because Shimano is heavier and I don't like the motion of their rear derailluer. It's really up to you.

    1) Buy a Sette Razzo from Pricepoint ard $200 now (Offer ends this march)
    2) Get yourself a build kit, SRAM X.9 from greenfishsports that'll cost you ard $250
    3) Get a carbon cycle fork from Carboncycle themselves for ard $165 (Personally I'm using the WB rigid carbon fork from treeforbikes ard $270 but I'll suggest you go with Jerry's fork)
    4) Get a crank bros egg beater SL from treeforbikes for ard $75
    5) Get yourself Sette cockpit 1 combo from Pricepoint for ard $85
    6) Get Maddux explorer T2 wheelset from Pricepoint for ard $170 (ard 2kg a pair!)
    7) Get a good rear disc brake BB7 from Greenfishsports for $38
    8) Get speed dial 7 from Greenfishsports for ard $16
    9) Get super lite foam grips for ard $5 from Pricepoint
    10) I pampered myself with a Sette air suspension seatpost from Pricepoint ard $35.
    11) Pay someone to build all these for you for ard $100 or you can be like me and build it slowly like lego. I love my childhood... kekeke

    Basically I use only 1 rear brake, 1 rear derailluer, 1 X 44T chain ring (Haven't found a way to dismantle mine yet), 1 shifter and 1 brake lever. I don't brake in front because it's carbon fork and I prefer to concentrate in steering in front and leave the braking behind. I am a 44T user up front so I don't need the 2 extra gears. This is my personal riding style and I'm pretty sure everyone else will develop theirs. I do mostly XC so depending on your ride, you may need to fine tune your combo. Everything should add up less than 8kg and I set my target on a road bike weight at 7.7kg. See... you don't need to break a bank to build a sub 10 bike... this is a sub 8 for a 29er. If you are able to source for places cheaper and legit... don't forget to share. I wouldn't mind building another for my bro. Cheers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyglass
    Food for thought: Why pay more when you can get it better and cheaper? Fancy being ripped off?
    That's what I'm talking about. So the dude who bought a Porsche got ripped off because there's a Corvette available for half off? What about things like craftsmanship or design?

    If somebody with money sneers at the budget bikes people call them a snob. What do you call someone who finds it important to point how stupid everyone is for not pinching pennies? Not everyone's priorities are the same nor are their budgets. I'm pretty sure the guy who bought a $3000 bike didn't do so with their last penny. And if they did I applaud them for being hardcore and getting exactly what they wanted even if it gets plopped on a $300 Hyundai to drive to the trails!

    I'm not going to argue with anyone about who is or isn't a "real" biker. This kind of nonsense happens with every recreational pursuit I involve myself with. What I will say is anyone who is concerned about how much or how little they spent is missing the point.

    And no, you can't take all that money you saved with you when you die!

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    I went back and fourth over the Sette Razzo and the Niner EMD frames. The Razzo was $200 +$30 shipping. The 2009 EMD was $449 shipped.

    Even though I was on a budget, the extra $219 was worth it to me for resale value and yes a little bling factor too. But resale value, and ease of resale was a big factor for me.

    And obviously "bling" is a factor on peoples minds why else would these two comments be posted above...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyglass
    Basically I use only 1 rear brake, 1 rear derailluer, 1 X 44T chain ring (Haven't found a way to dismantle mine yet), 1 shifter and 1 brake lever. I don't brake in front because it's carbon fork and I prefer to concentrate in steering in front and leave the braking behind. I am a 44T user up front so I don't need the 2 extra gears. This is my personal riding style and I'm pretty sure everyone else will develop theirs. I do mostly XC so depending on your ride, you may need to fine tune your combo. Everything should add up less than 8kg and I set my target on a road bike weight at 7.7kg. See... you don't need to break a bank to build a sub 10 bike... this is a sub 8 for a 29er. If you are able to source for places cheaper and legit... don't forget to share. I wouldn't mind building another for my bro. Cheers...
    Why should I or anyone else take advice from someone who believes it is adequate to use just a back brake. When you apply a brake, front or rear about 75% of your weight transfers onto the front wheel. All you are going to do is skid your back wheel and rip up the trail, not to mention the lack of control using just a rear brake.

    It is obvious that you know very little about biking.

    Ronnie.
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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