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    Post Your Carbon Razzo 29ers!

    Interested in this frame, but not a lot Pics available. Post your ride please.
    Thanks, Zeke

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    Wow!

    Wow, no one has built up one of these carbon Razzo's?? Makes it hard to spring for one, even for $799.00.

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    They X9 build Razzo has been dropped to $1200 and the carbon frame has been dropped to $700.

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    I love mine. Builds up easily to 23 Lbs or less with real tires, and a real saddle.
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    Nice! Finally a good Pic. At $699.00 might be too hard to pass up. Thanks.

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    You won't regret it. Lighter than an Air 9, Internal cable routing (cables stay clean from mud/grit so you probably will only have to change them once a year or less), tapered headtube, direct mount rear brake, external BB (which I wanted), 5 year warranty, two water bottles, and oh let's not forget $1000+ cheaper than the name brand bikes. To me it is a no brainer.

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    Wow! I thought that frame looked ugly when I was looking on Sette's website. When you see the bike built up, however, it looks really nice! Frame looks like it is pretty high quality! How is the ride quality? Is it fast?

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    How is the clearance for the rear IKON? Sette site says 2.2 max tire size. The IKON's are my tire of choice & pretty large volume....any issues? Thanks.

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    I set a PR in the Swank Mtbike race last Sunday. I beat my time from the year before by 20 minutes. The ride quality is great. All I have to compare it to hardtail wise is a Lynskey Pro 29er that I had before this bike. The Sette rides a lot better. The carbon seems to mute most of the sharpness of the bumps. I could not be happier......well I wish I would have gotten the frame for $700 instead of the $800 that I paid.
    But it is still one hell of a bargain compared to all of the other name brand frames at $1,800+, which to me is a joke. This bike is easily as nice or nicer. You just don't have an actual bikeshop to walk into to give your extra $1,000 to for nothing other than being a middle man and a nuisance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hczeke View Post
    How is the clearance for the rear IKON? Sette site says 2.2 max tire size. The IKON's are my tire of choice & pretty large volume....any issues? Thanks.
    Plenty of room all around. I would say probably a 1/2" of more each side of the chainstays and probably a little more by the seatstays. I am using a Stans Arch rim too. I would say you could put most any tire on there up to probably a 2.4 with no issues.

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    [QUOTE=mtblucas;8616703]Wow! I thought that frame looked ugly when I was looking on Sette's website. When you see the bike built up, however, it looks really nice! QUOTE]

    Thanks. I was very pleased with the way it built up and ended up looking. There are several pictures on the pricepoint website and after looking at all of them and comparing the geometry to my Medium Niner Jet 9 I pulled the trigger. I ended up going with the 19" Sette. I have received many compliments on the looks of the bike and could not be happier with the way it looks and rides.

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    [QUOTE=epiphreddy;8617480]
    Quote Originally Posted by mtblucas View Post
    Wow! I thought that frame looked ugly when I was looking on Sette's website. When you see the bike built up, however, it looks really nice! QUOTE]

    Thanks. I was very pleased with the way it built up and ended up looking. There are several pictures on the pricepoint website and after looking at all of them and comparing the geometry to my Medium Niner Jet 9 I pulled the trigger. I ended up going with the 19" Sette. I have received many compliments on the looks of the bike and could not be happier with the way it looks and rides.
    If you got your frame recently email PP and have them reimburse you the $100. They're good with the price guarantee.

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    Thanks for the idea. The PP policy is within the last 30 days, and mine was bought in September so I am out of luck. For $850 shipped I am still happy.

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    Can someone way in with the BB height to the center of the spindle?

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    Many people on these forums, myself included, feel the aluminum Razzo frames feel a little large for their respective sizes. In other words, a size L frame feels more like an XL frame from other bike brands. Do you feel that this is the same with the carbon version? Does it feel true to size? Just trying to figure out what size I should get if I decide to pull the trigger on it. Thanks for the info!

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    I too am wondering about sizing. I am 6 ft tall and normally use a Large frame. The Sette's top tube measurements seem in between other frame brands. Not sure whether to go for the 19 or 21 inch. Anyone that has bought one got any comments?

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    I am 5'-9" with a 32" (jeans) inseam. The Sette 19" headtube is 8mm(I think it was) longer than a Medium Niner Jet 9 which I think is considered to be an 18" frame. I use a 100mm stem on the Sette with a slight setback seatpost and a 110mm on the jet with a zero setback seatpost. I seem to have long arms compared to some other same height friends based on our bike setup comparisons and test rides. Anyways, at 6' I would say that a 19" or a 21" would work for you and you could just adjust the seat/stem accordingly referencing what you know currently that you use/like. I would compare your current bike's geometry chart and the 19" and 21" Sette and see how they compare. If in doubt I would go larger. You can always adjust your stem shorter and use a zero setback seatpost with the larger frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epiphreddy View Post
    I set a PR in the Swank Mtbike race last Sunday. I beat my time from the year before by 20 minutes. The ride quality is great. All I have to compare it to hardtail wise is a Lynskey Pro 29er that I had before this bike. The Sette rides a lot better. The carbon seems to mute most of the sharpness of the bumps. I could not be happier......well I wish I would have gotten the frame for $700 instead of the $800 that I paid.
    But it is still one hell of a bargain compared to all of the other name brand frames at $1,800+, which to me is a joke. This bike is easily as nice or nicer. You just don't have an actual bikeshop to walk into to give your extra $1,000 to for nothing other than being a middle man and a nuisance.
    Damn I am really considering a Lynskey. Can you go into detail about the differences? Maybe in a PM so as not highjack the thread.

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    I see no reason to not discuss the Sette Razzo Carbon in the Sette thread. The differences first of all are that the Sette is way less than 1/2 the price of the Lynskey. Money no object the Sette rides better and seems to absorb/mute the bumps out more due to the Carbon Fiber. The Sette is about a 1/2 Lb lighter so it is more responsive too. The Sette has internal cable routing which I thought was somewhat of a sales gimmick until I realized the virtues of having the internal cable routing. With internal routing you will probably only need to change out the cables/housing once a year or less since they don't become contaminated with dirt and water. The Sette just seems to ride a lot smoother than the Lynskey. My Lynskey just seemed down right stiff and just seemed to beat me everytime I rode it. Not to mention on the Medium Lynskey the top tube was just too short. I probably would have been better of on a large Lynskey. My Lynskey had the slider drop outs so it could be run single speed which I tried but ultimately set it up geared. With all things considered, to me the Sette and any other China Carbon 29er (see the China Carbon 29er thread) just makes a lot more sense particularly when you consider the HUGE price difference. I rode the Lynskey for a year and feel like I gave it a fair try but it just never struck me as being anything that nice. Luckily I bought it out of the Lynskey Loft and I was able to sell it for just a little less than I paid for it, so as far as $$ go, the Lynskey ended up being a nice experiment but for me it just was not there. For what it is worth my Lynskey Pro 29er was a 2009. They may have the tapered headtube and some other nice additions by now but again I still think the Sette would be a much nicer bike money no object, but when you figure in money, then it really is clear to me.

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    Okay, I wrote up a pretty complete review of the Sette Carbon Razzo 29er (XX version). It's on my blog- TahoeSux (Shameless plug, I know). I'm not going to cut and paste several pages + pics. So you can check it out there.

    MTBR won't let me post links till I've posted at least 10 times. You'll have to cut and paste or search for Tahoe Sux:

    tahoesux.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/razzo-part-1/

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    I'm considering the Razzo 1.0 ally vs the Razzo SC X7

    They are close in spec, except brakes, tapered head tube, and Carbon frame.

    Those who have experiece with both frames -- does the carbon make a significant difference in frame stiffness or smother ride to justify the extra $$??
    26FS & 29Rigid... best of both worlds

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    Yeah, I've been riding the aluminum razzo for 2+ years and wonder, beyond the weight savings, how does the carbon feel? I'm bouncing around too much in the rear right now and hoping the carbon will take the edge off. Anyone ridden both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegallery View Post
    Yeah, I've been riding the aluminum razzo for 2+ years and wonder, beyond the weight savings, how does the carbon feel? I'm bouncing around too much in the rear right now and hoping the carbon will take the edge off. Anyone ridden both?
    A carbon frame is not going to make you bounce less or be more comfortable. It will be stiffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    A carbon frame is not going to make you bounce less or be more comfortable. It will be stiffer.
    I don't know; I rode a carbon hard tail for the summer last year and yes, it was stiff, but it was also smooth at the same time. It's hard to describe, but even on the road it just hummed along smoother. Someone used the term 'resonance'; the carbon just didn't seem to beat me up the same way the aluminum is now. I've seen a few companies claim lateral stiffness with vertical response, like the Ultimate. Every frame is different of course, but it'd be great to hear from someone who's been on both.

    There's a chance I'll get to demo one this tuesday, though it won't be setup for me hopefully I can get a feel for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    A carbon frame is not going to make you bounce less or be more comfortable. It will be stiffer.
    I don't believe that is correct. Carbon should be smoother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    A carbon frame is not going to make you bounce less or be more comfortable. It will be stiffer.
    Not true. Carbon (like aluminum, steel, or ti) can be super stiff or noodle flexy depending on how the carbon is laid out. There are also many different types of carbon fiber cloth with different strength and flex characteristics.

    "Carbon bikes are stiffer" is a total oversimplification of the process. It's all about how the carbon cloth is laid out, the directions the fabric is laid, the type of CF cloth being used, and a number of other factors. Because carbon layup and manufacturing has improved so much over the last 10 years, there are endless variations in carbon frame design. A quick google search on carbon fiber cloth or materials will show that there are many, many different types out there.

    There are 2.1 pound ultralight road frames at one end of the scale, and carbon DH bikes with 10" of travel at the other. It's about the design and layout, not the material.

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    I've ridden both. I've had the Al frame for about 2.5 yrs, and the carbon for about a week. I've only got maybe 50 miles on it so far.

    Swapped all the components straight across with the exception of going from a Thomson 27.2 post on the AL frame to a 31.6 carbon post on the carbon frame.

    Can't say I noticed a huge difference in the ride quality between the two. They both feel like hardtails to me. Both seem plenty stiff out of the saddle.

    I'm running 2.3 tires at or below 20 psi, so that is where the vast majority of any cushion is coming from in back.

    Really, really like the internal cable routing on the carbon frame though. Was super simple to set up the derailluer cables and the shifting is much improved. Still have the rear hydraulic line electrical taped to the outside of the frame. Need to install a longer line than what I had on the AL frame and just got the hose kit in the mail.

    The mfg specs said the AL frame has clearance for 2.3s max and the carbon only fits 2.2s, but the carbon frame has more room between the stays than my AL one does.

    Oh...and being a carbon frame, chain slap is super loud. Couldn't stand it on the first ride, so I wrapped an old length of tube around the chainstay. That quieted it down to an acceptable level. Don't recall it being that loud on my last carbon HT frame, or on my carbon cyclocross bike, but whatever, it's an easy fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twd953 View Post


    Oh...and being a carbon frame, chain slap is super loud. Couldn't stand it on the first ride, so I wrapped an old length of tube around the chainstay. That quieted it down to an acceptable level. Don't recall it being that loud on my last carbon HT frame, or on my carbon cyclocross bike, but whatever, it's an easy fix.
    I also noticed this, plus the gravel from the front tire hits the frame and sounds like a Transformers movie.

    I need to get some of that protective tape. You can buy it from a race car store in small lengths, it is called "helicopter tape"

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    New question here. Razzo as SS?

    Anyone convert theirs to Singlespeed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    Anyone convert theirs to Singlespeed?
    I ran mine as a SS for a while. While it worked ok, it's never ideal running a none SS specific frame as SS unless you run an EBB or hub.

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    Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    it's never ideal running a none SS specific frame as SS unless you run an EBB or hub.
    How so?
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Chain Tension

    Unless you run a tensionser (which looks getto IMO), it is nearly impossible to get the right chain length with the whatever chainring and cog you choose to run. That is why single speeds have EBBs or sliding dropouts. You don't want to drop a chain on a tough climb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    How so?
    I used different types of tensioners and always had issues with chain skipping, dropping...etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    Anyone convert theirs to Singlespeed?
    Pulled the trigger on a 17" Sette Razzo Carbon SC on Friday. Should be here in PHX by Tuesday. I will be running it SS and rigid. I'm striving for a sub 20 lbs ripper. I'll be using Paul's Melvin tensioner. I've been running my Motobecane FLY Ti 29er with the same tensioner for 6 months with no issues. I can be tricky to line it all up by measuring things with a ruller or calipers. Eyeballing it isn't enough. I'll post pics on later in the week.

    Specs
    Frame - Razzo Carbon Sc
    Fork - Niner Carbon
    Wheelset - Chris King, Stan's Flow, Sapim spokes Al nipples
    Crankset - XT with Race Face 32t single ring
    Pedals - Crankbros Candies
    Bar - Easton Haven
    Grips - ESI
    Stem - Thomson
    Chain - KMC
    Cog - Generic 17t


    Post - Kalloy Uno

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    Nice!

    Quote Originally Posted by palmermtb View Post
    Pulled the trigger on a 17" Sette Razzo Carbon SC on Friday. Should be here in PHX by Tuesday. I will be running it SS and rigid. I'm striving for a sub 20 lbs ripper. I'll be using Paul's Melvin tensioner. I've been running my Motobecane FLY Ti 29er with the same tensioner for 6 months with no issues. I can be tricky to line it all up by measuring things with a ruller or calipers. Eyeballing it isn't enough. I'll post pics on later in the week.

    Specs
    Frame - Razzo Carbon Sc
    Fork - Niner Carbon
    Wheelset - Chris King, Stan's Flow, Sapim spokes Al nipples
    Crankset - XT with Race Face 32t single ring
    Pedals - Crankbros Candies
    Bar - Easton Haven
    Grips - ESI
    Stem - Thomson
    Chain - KMC
    Cog - Generic 17t


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    Which color did you get? Been looking at doing the same with one of the regular frames (black matte finish) but not any 15"-17" left.

    That should be an inexpensive build for a single track ripper! Looking forward to finish build.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Which color did you get? Been looking at doing the same with one of the regular frames (black matte finish) but not any 15"-17" left.

    That should be an inexpensive build for a single track ripper! Looking forward to finish build.
    I got the Gloss Black and Tungsten Silver. I was going to get the Matte for the price but didn't like the fact that the 17" doesn't accomodate tapered forks. Also I don't believe they ever made a 15" in the Matte Black.

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    Oh contraire~

    Quote Originally Posted by palmermtb View Post
    I got the Gloss Black and Tungsten Silver. I was going to get the Matte for the price but didn't like the fact that the 17" doesn't accomodate tapered forks. Also I don't believe they ever made a 15" in the Matte Black.
    Complete bike. Didn't want to take a chance on fit and then have a bunch of spare parts plus frame to sell. At 5'-6 1/2" was riding the fence on size too. Tungstin would have been my choice in gloss too.

    Sette Razzo SC X7 10 Speed 29er Carbon Bike - Matte Black with Slate Blue at Price Point
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    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    I know how you feel I'm also. Steven sizes at 5' 8". I can ride a 17 or a 19. Due to the technical rocky terrain PHX I prefer a smaller frame.
    I was seriously contemplating the 19 this time since this bike will mostly be for the tamer trails.

    What convinced me was the 15 day return policy. If it doesn't fit or you just don't like it after two weeks you can send it back. You'll have to pay for shipping but that's not too bad.

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    So I received the frame today and unboxed it as soon as I got home. Holy cow is this thing light! The quality of the frame seems on par with the higher end brands. The paint and gloss finish seem flawless. I immediately installed a Chris King BB and found the threads chased and smooth the BB also looked like it was properly faced. I installed the seatpost and it fit perfectly as well.

    The only hiccup was when I tried to install the forks. The Niner fork I'm installing is non tapered and the frame did not include the 1 1/8" reducer crown race. I thought the website listed that both the 1.5 and the 1 1/8" reducer came with the frame. That's a bummer. Im sure Price Point will send me out one tomorrow but that means the build is postponed until I can get the right race. I'll call around to all the better bike shops in town tomorrow but doubt I will find one locally. Till then

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    Quote Originally Posted by epiphreddy View Post
    I love mine. Builds up easily to 23 Lbs or less with real tires, and a real saddle.
    The Crows might not be "real" tires, but the Fizik Tundra is a real saddle. Before slamming it, you might want to get on one and see how nice it feels. As an added bonus, they're not anchor weights like WTBs tend to be.
    Something wrong with your bike? Blame it on super human strength and sleep well at night knowing you are more than a man.

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    So I call Pricepoint today to tell them about the missing crown race. I talk to Joseph in Sales who says that he'll send me a crown race ASAP. Then I get an email from him that says they don't have any extras and I should contact the manufacturer of the headset. WTF?

    I replied and told him that the specs on their website show that both races come with the frame.

    I called every bike shop in Phx and no one had the race. I went ahead and ordered one from Jensonusa and paid $20 extra to have it shipped 2day air.

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    Post Your Carbon Razzo 29ers!-imageuploadedbytapatalk1341236973.849412.jpgFinally got the Razzo built up last night. Originally was going to be an SS and then changed my mind. Since this bike uses internal routing I have to order a new rear brake hose. As you can see im running the hose along the frame for now Post Your Carbon Razzo 29ers!-imageuploadedbytapatalk1341237227.967279.jpg
    Post Your Carbon Razzo 29ers!-imageuploadedbytapatalk1341237272.300541.jpg
    Can't wait to take on a maiden ride. I also covered the majority of the frame with Bike Saver tape. The finish is so nice and I want to keep that way.

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    Wow! The paint scheme looks way better than the website pics. I read that the 17in is not compatible with fox taperd forks? Or is that the older razzo frame? Cuz i have been eyeing this frame but wasnt sure about that.But Very nice build!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf57 View Post
    Wow! The paint scheme looks way better than the website pics. I read that the 17in is not compatible with fox taperd forks? Or is that the older razzo frame? Cuz i have been eyeing this frame but wasnt sure about that.But Very nice build!!
    I think a lot of people thought that same as you, including me. It looks gawdy on the web but in person it looks really well done.

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    I got the razzo sc as the complete x9 build (the red/white one) and I can confirm that the paint scheme is not the most eye pleasing but it is definitely better in person then on the site.

    Frame quality is really quite good as others have noted here. I bought the 19" and it fits me very well (6' 32 inseam). If you're any taller or have a longer inseam you should consider the XL. I really like the geometry of this frame- it is quick without being twitchy though it is a bike you have to pay attention to- but it definitely rewards for that. I bought it to race XC and out of the box this is a great option for the money. If you consider the price point I actually have nothing complain about- its fast, light, and is sure footed without feeling slow when the turns get tight.

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    Thinking about pulling the trigger on one of these. Does anybody know if the geometry listed online is based on a 80mm fork, or is it based on a 100mm fork?

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    palmermtb, that looks really nice. What is the build weight? Can you give us a ride report? I am seriously thinking about building one of these up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crclawn View Post
    palmermtb, that looks really nice. What is the build weight? Can you give us a ride report? I am seriously thinking about building one of these up.
    Here's some excerpts from a XPOST in the 29er forum

    Weight using my digital bathroom scale = 20.2.

    Ride report results:

    Took the bike out for a flogging at South Mountain this morning. I had a blast just hammering it all over the trail. I've owned Aluminum, Steel fand Ti hardtail frames . This is the first carbon Hardtail that I've had and ridden on real dirt trails.

    I'm sold on the ride characteristics of the frame and carbon in general. The frame's damping qualities were excellent. The bike was super solid and stiff when I stood up to sprint or grind up a steep climb. However, on the rough rocky sections it felt like it was damping the vibrations and impacts such that I felt comfortable going even faster through those sections.The bike was spot on from the word go.

    Normally, I get on a new frame and I have to get a feel for it after a few rides but not this time. I felt right at home and I just started hammering it some more. I took it up my favorite climb to the Heli pad and then down one of the sketchiest trails (Goat Trail). No problems or issues and the damped ride was really cool.

    I had heard a lot of people saying that carbon bikes have a dead feeling to them. I can understand that some might say that but in a rock strewn area like Phoenix. That damping is a major asset.

    I am close to selling my Ti Hardtail and buying another one of these to keep as a single speeder.

    I am definitely selling my steel road bike and buying one of their Sette carbon road frames. I'm sold on their products.

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    palmermtb, thanks for that report. Your bike looks super sweet. I am thinking about going with the Razzo SC with the red in it.

    Some questions:

    1. I didn't see your tensioner for your 1 x, can you post a picture of it. I want to run 1x10 and am thinking about a chain guide.
    2. I have a XT 2x10 crank, can I take off the outer ring and run it 1x10.
    4. Can you explain why you need to order new brake line because of the internal routing?

    I think I can get mine sub 22 or 23 lbs, I will run a 20mm reba with Hadley/Flows and a 1 x10 but with a bash guard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squirlyvt View Post
    Thinking about pulling the trigger on one of these. Does anybody know if the geometry listed online is based on a 80mm fork, or is it based on a 100mm fork?
    I believe it is based on 100mm- it comes stock with it and mine does not feel slugish even in tight turns.

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    Update on a stock razzo sc

    I have three XC races under my belt along with a handful of rides on the stock SC having converted the wheels to tubeless. I still feel like this is a solid XC machine. My only complaint is a bit of a jack hammer effect from the rear when riding root filled terrain. This is probably more symptomatic of a hardtail than it is of this particular bike but here in the northeast where we have lots of roots it can be a bit jarring. Going for a bigger gear and staying out of the saddle decreases the impact. I'm not sure that the tire/rim combo is the best for tubeless however I've ridden quite a bit of terrain that others were riding with bigger (2.2) tires and not had traction issues with the stock 2.0 running at 23psi or so.

    I also bought some black vinyl and covered over the down tube Sette logo- it makes the bike look a bit more subtle.

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    Missing race, too

    The only hiccup was when I tried to install the forks. The Niner fork I'm installing is non tapered and the frame did not include the 1 1/8" reducer crown race. I thought the website listed that both the 1.5 and the 1 1/8" reducer came with the frame. That's a bummer. Im sure Price Point will send me out one tomorrow but that means the build is postponed until I can get the right race. I'll call around to all the better bike shops in town tomorrow but doubt I will find one locally. Till then
    My carbon Razzo only came with the tapered crown race, too. I was putting a tapered fork on, though, so I was happy. Sorry you had to dink around with that. Crappy.

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    I was heading in the direction of a steel hardtail to move my parts over to when I checked the PP site and saw the Razzo's. Never owned anything CF except for a seat post and thinking it's about time.

    Can anyone tell me if there is a difference between the SC and non SC version.

    Will the XL fit someone 6'05".

    Is the bike intended for XC race or can it also handle rough trail riding which is all I have here in southern BC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aroundoz View Post
    I was heading in the direction of a steel hardtail to move my parts over to when I checked the PP site and saw the Razzo's. Never owned anything CF except for a seat post and thinking it's about time.

    Can anyone tell me if there is a difference between the SC and non SC version.

    Will the XL fit someone 6'05".

    Is the bike intended for XC race or can it also handle rough trail riding which is all I have here in southern BC.
    I was never able to figure out all the differences between the SC and Non-SC. A couple I noticed are:
    1. There is a geometry differnece in the headtubes on the Non-SC. You'll notice there is a note that says the Non-SC 17" doesn't work with tapered forks.
    2. The SC comes in a 15" and the Non-SC does not.

    By the geometry the bike is intended to be an all around XCer. I've been riding mine for a few months now and love it. I've been thrashing it around our brutal desert trails and have been blown away. I weigh 220 lbs' and the bike feels super stiff and responsive. In fact, I love the frame so much I bought a second one for my son. I own two of these frames and can't say enough about them.

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    Thanks for the response palmermtb. Seems like such an amazing deal and glad to hear people are more than happy with the frame.

    Sorry for the hijack and let's get back to seeing more Razzo photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aroundoz View Post
    I was heading in the direction of a steel hardtail to move my parts over to when I checked the PP site and saw the Razzo's. Never owned anything CF except for a seat post and thinking it's about time.

    Can anyone tell me if there is a difference between the SC and non SC version.

    Will the XL fit someone 6'05".

    Is the bike intended for XC race or can it also handle rough trail riding which is all I have here in southern BC.
    Differences between SC and non SC Razzo's:
    1) SC is carbon, regular is 7005 AL
    2) SC has a tapered HT
    3) SC uses 31.6" seatpost, vs 27.2"
    4) SC maximum tire width is 2.2", vs 2.3" for the non-SC
    5) Geometry differences: SC has shorter chainstays (445 vs 450mm), a slacker seat tube angle, a lower BB height, and a significantly lower standover height.
    6) Size differences: The SC is apparently a smaller bike.

    At my height of 6' 2.5", my best fit would be a XL SC or a L non-SC. This really depends on your inseem and torso/arm length. I have long legs and short arms for my height, so I fit better on bikes with a shorter effective top-tube length.

    If you compare the $1300 AL frame Razzo XT to the $1700 SC X7, you will see the build spec is very similar. They share the same RS Recon Gold fork and same wheelset/tires. The brakes are a little higher spec on the non-SC Razzo. The shifters and derailleurs come down to your preference of SRAM (X7) vs Shimano (SLX, but XT rear derailleur). The SC is apparently 1 lb lighter.

    I don't own either bike, just shopping and comparing.

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    I had an aluminum Razzo (recently sold) and I still have my carbon Razzo. Medium on the aluminum fit great for me at 5'10", though I wish I had a longer stem on it. I felt a little bit bunched up. For the carbon I went with the large 19" frame. Feels great, just a bit longer top tube. It definately feels bigger standing over it, but I'm not too concerned.

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    Sorry, 33" inseam, if I'm measuring it correctly.

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    And some pics...

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    teoblar, nice build! That looks good.

    Is that the 15mm t/a niner fork?

    Can't tell from pics:

    Grips?
    Pedals?
    Saddle?
    Crank?
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    Yeah, it's the new RDO 15mm thru axle fork. I haven't really had a chance to ride it yet, so I'm not sure how it performs.

    Grips are Ergon. Pedals are Time AllRoad dual platform, not the most hard core but good for when I have to drag the kids around. Saddle is Bontrager inForm RL with hollow stainless steel rails, and the crank is a triple RaceFace Deus XC.

    Thanks for the compliment. I'm glad you like it.

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    Can I run a 90 mm fork on this frame?

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    My New Carbon Sette Build

    I just finished my Carbon Sette 29er build and wanted to show it off.

    Frame: Sette Carbon Razzo 29er - 19" matte black
    Fork: Reba RL
    Group: SRAM X7 triggers, derailleurs, & crankset
    Wheelset: Sun Ringle Black Flag Expert
    Brakes: Avid Elixir R
    Bars, Stem, Post: Crank Bros Cobalt 3
    Grips: Sette Lockons
    Pedals: Shimano PD-M424
    Seat: Charge Spoon
    Tires: Maxxis Aspens
    Computer: Cateye Strada Wireless

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    The build turned out great. It's a lot sharper looking than I originally thought it would/could be. It's pretty sexy and weighed in at 24.5lbs as pictured w/out the seatbag.

    Took it on it's first real hard ride today and came away pretty impressed. I'm coming from an alum Airborne Goblin and the difference was noticeable. I climbed the hell out of a few hills that have been giving me trouble on my 2 previous mounts. Not sure if that was due to the weight savings (1.75lbs), the slightly different body position/geometry, or just the adrenaline of pushing a new bike. I crash over some pretty heavy roots on my home trail and all of that felt very muted as compared to my alum frame. My alum frame was pretty jarring over some of my typical sections and I felt none of that today on the new carbon ride. Front wheel on the Sette wasn't as easy to pop off the ground which can be good and bad depending on situation. The bike was really grounded and connected on some of the hairier downhills drops we have. Once I got comfortable, it felt like I was twisting and turning through the woody tight singletrack faster than usual and on the field straights I was hitting 16-18mph on the computer.

    Overall very pleased with the $400 used carbon frame.
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    I am selling this 19" frame on Ebay if anyone is interested. It is item #111011939467. Should fit riders 5'9" to 6'-0". VERY lightly used. Includes Headset, Salsa Lip Lock seat collar, Chainstay and downtube protector.
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    Why? What size? What are you getting to replace?
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    It is a Large, 19". I prefer my full suspension Niner Jet RDO due to the roughness of my local trails. I built the Sette for the occasional race which I seldom do. The bike has sat idle for too long. I rode it 2 or 3 times in 2012 and it just takes up space in my garage. It is an awesome bike but I just turned 47 and much prefer full suspension. It might have 20 rides on it total. It is in great shape. Full specs, pics, and info can be seen on Ebay, item #111011939467.

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    Yeah, heard once you go RDO, it's uh OHver for other bikes.
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    Yes, not to mention once you go over 40 years old you need full suspension!

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    Quote Originally Posted by epiphreddy View Post
    Yes, not to mention once you go over 40 years old you need full suspension!
    Whoops, I missed that boat 15 years ago.
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    JMAC47, you ride a hardtail and it is rough or smooth where you ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by epiphreddy View Post
    JMAC47, you ride a hardtail and it is rough or smooth where you ride?
    Yes. All of the above.
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    [/QUOTE]

    Took it on it's first real hard ride today and came away pretty impressed. I'm coming from an alum Airborne Goblin and the difference was noticeable. I climbed the hell out of a few hills that have been giving me trouble on my 2 previous mounts. Not sure if that was due to the weight savings (1.75lbs), the slightly different body position/geometry, or just the adrenaline of pushing a new bike. I crash over some pretty heavy roots on my home trail and all of that felt very muted as compared to my alum frame. My alum frame was pretty jarring over some of my typical sections and I felt none of that today on the new carbon ride. Front wheel on the Sette wasn't as easy to pop off the ground which can be good and bad depending on situation. The bike was really grounded and connected on some of the hairier downhills drops we have. Once I got comfortable, it felt like I was twisting and turning through the woody tight singletrack faster than usual and on the field straights I was hitting 16-18mph on the computer.

    Overall very pleased with the $400 used carbon frame.[/QUOTE]


    I have a Green Goblin and was thinking of one of these builds. Does it feel bunched up compared to the Goblin? I've always felt like my Airborne was stretched out. Not that it was bad, I've demoed some bikes recently that feel like they are more underneath me than my Goblin. I do like the Airborne though. Just thinking of a carbon 1x10 build or maybe ss.

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    Quite the opposite. I feel a little more stretched out on the Sette vs. Goblin. If I remember correctly when I was comparing geometry, the Sette was about 3/4" longer overall than the Goblin. I was a pretty big Airborne homer with two previous bikes, but I hadn't even thought about the Goblin since the switchover till you mentioned it.

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    SETTE razo carbon 29er build up, 24 lb

    Figured i'd post my recent build here, as when I was building her up had a hard time finding images of this bike. I decided to go with this frame mostly because of cost, knowing I'd probably break it eventually =). I ride pretty hard here in Phx Az and have put this bike through a couple intense 40mile rides around south mountain on everything from bangin smooth 27mph false flats to steep climbs and technical descents. pretty happy with the frame thus far, my only beef is the rear seems a bit bouncy, even with low tire pressure (18-24psi). with the 100mm fox fork the geometry is pretty comfortable and I was quite surprised at how well it climbs and rails corners. I did a custom fab ace hardware spacer setup to run the rear 180mm rotor but its worked flawlessly so far. little heavy at 24 lb flat but that's with the heavy flow rims, but I wanted the width for cornering. 2.2 captain front and 2.3 purgatory rear, with plenty of clearance in the rear triangle. the XTR 988 15mm thru front hub is a beast, best out there IMO. custom fab'd the rock guard (serious problem in AZ riding) which I cut out of a 1/32" piece of carbon I got off ebay. Really like the cable routing, internal guides made for super easy setup, clean looking, and minimal cable underneath the bar, with virtually no cable rub.

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    Post Your Carbon Razzo 29ers!-photo.jpg

    Here's my build I did over the winter. The bike is awesome, the frame seems to be really stiff and transfer power well.
    Specs-
    Frame - Sette Razzo SC 19"
    Fork - Specialized Chisel carbon
    Wheels - Stan's Arch EX
    Bars- Sworks carbon mini rise
    Stem- Ritchey WCS C260
    Brakes - BB7
    Shifters - X0 10 speed
    FD - X0
    RD - X9 type 2
    Crank - X9 42/28
    Chain - KMC X10sl
    Pedals- Candy 2
    Cages- Specialized rib Cage
    Post - Ritchey WCS 2 bolt
    Saddle - Specialized romin expert
    Grips - ESI chunky
    Tires - Sworks Fasttrak 2.0 R / 2.2 F

    Total Weight- 20.94

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    Really nice build!
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    That's a great weight for a 2x10, with a bottle cage no less. Looks sharp, too. Think you could get it under 20lbs? Tubeless and different brakes?

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    Yea that was with both cages and pedals, pic was taken after the first shake down ride. It is set up tubeless. I'm sure I could cut weight with brakes but I wanted to stay with mechanical brakes so those seem to be the best option. If I went to a 1X10 I could get under most likely. Also if I went carbon post, carbon wheels, and maybe lighter pedals. Thanks for the kind words!

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    Sette Razzo X9

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    Just got mine. $1650. This thing rides sweet.

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    Here is a link to my custom build thread: Custom Sette Razzo Carbon 29er (background, build & review)

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    Post Your Carbon Razzo 29ers!

    Question for you guys. I'm planning on picking up my first hardtail and can't help but be blown away with the price,warranty, and reviews for this frame. I am going to hopefully order the frame up this week some time ( 17" black/tungsten). Does the frame come with a headset? If not what is a good one to get? I will be using my current Fox 1 1/8 tapered fork.

    Thanks in advance.


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    My frame came with the headset bearings, crown race and upper part of the headset. I still needed to buy a star nut (assuming your fork doesn't already have one), the top cap, screw, and spacers.

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    Post Your Carbon Razzo 29ers!

    Cool. That's exactly what I needed to know. Thanks for the reply steel.


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    No problem. I wouldn't wait too long to order though. The PP 15% off sale is ending soon. It's a beautiful frame at a killer price. You won't be disappointed.

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    I believe it ends tomorrow. I plan on ordering today. Hard to pass up with the extra 15% off. Once I get it I will add some build photos and a review after. Thanks again


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    Post Your Carbon Razzo 29ers!

    Another quick question. Does anyone know if the frame has to be faced for the bottom bracket or is it done at the factory.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonL View Post
    Another quick question. Does anyone know if the frame has to be faced for the bottom bracket or is it done at the factory.
    I don't really know the true answer to this, but I just threaded the BB cups right in with no trouble on mine.

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    My BB went right in as well, no issues. My rear derailleur hanger was a little bit wonky, though. (My LBS was able to straighten it out with some fun tools that I don't have.)

    Mine came with the headset, but not the crown race, but a part that cheap is hardly a deal breaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teoblar View Post
    My BB went right in as well, no issues. My rear derailleur hanger was a little bit wonky, though. (My LBS was able to straighten it out with some fun tools that I don't have.)

    Mine came with the headset, but not the crown race, but a part that cheap is hardly a deal breaker.
    No issues with the bottom bracket, but my derailleur hanger was also off. I called Sette and they shipped a new one right away.

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    Thanks for the replies guys. Glad to hear about PP Customer service. Ordering the frame today. Can't wait to get it and get the build under way.


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    Post Your Carbon Razzo 29ers!

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    Let the build begin!


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    A few quick build pics.




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    Got the X9 in late spring and been riding it as much as the rainy weather will allow.

    Just a couple of phone pics. Switching over to a 1x10 (Wolfstooth chainring)and couldn't be happier. Even with a non-clutch X.9 I've had no chain drops through some rough rock gardens. Have a Type 2 X.0 I'll be putting on at some point. Or, maybe just selling since this setup is working so well without the clutch.

    Other than that, just a change of the front tire and going to a 185 front rotor. Couldn't recommend this bike more highly at the price point (with 15% sale and free shipping.) Other than the X0 version, I think this is the best deal going for a carbon 29r.




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    Very nice! Agree about the deal on these builds. I'm putting together an X0 build for my friend. It came with a Fox Fit CTD Kashima coated fork!

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    Got the first ride in this morning. This is my first hardtail and I have to say it rides much better than I had anticipated. The frame seems to soak up a lot of small bumps and chatter. It's nice and stiff and handles really well. I will be taking it out again in the morning on a much more technical ride that climbs close to 2k in elevation and is pretty rocky.

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    Wondering what you thought of the bike in the rocky conditions?

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    It was awesome. Even with 1500' elevation climb is really rocky conditions it did everything I could ask of it. Descending back down the same conditions I was less than 5-10 seconds off of my FS bike. For a hardtail I have to say it actually made the ride more fun for me....even though it was a little rougher and more of a workout.

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    looking for a little info on the sette razzo sc carbon. I have the regular aluminum one and have liked it for the past two years. the bike has always been a touch on the small side so I want to get a new frame anyways.

    will the carbon frame fit a regular 1 1/8 steerer. I know the carbon bike has a tapered head tube but wasn't sure if they make an adaptor for a 1 1/8 tube to fit.

    is the bottom bracket the regular external one that you just screw in. I would be pretty much switching all of my parts over so I want to know what extra cost I may have to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adumb View Post
    looking for a little info on the sette razzo sc carbon. I have the regular aluminum one and have liked it for the past two years. the bike has always been a touch on the small side so I want to get a new frame anyways.

    will the carbon frame fit a regular 1 1/8 steerer. I know the carbon bike has a tapered head tube but wasn't sure if they make an adaptor for a 1 1/8 tube to fit.

    is the bottom bracket the regular external one that you just screw in. I would be pretty much switching all of my parts over so I want to know what extra cost I may have to deal with.
    I just got my frame a few weeks ago and the 1 1/8 steer tube will work just fine the frame came with a bearing race for both tapered and non tapered. Also the bottom bracket is a standard threaded external

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    awesome thanks for the info.

    one last silly question. the internal cable routing for the shifters makes complete sense to me I just fish those cables through the frame and hook them up like usual. how does the hydraulic rear brake line fit through the frames holes. it has fittings on both ends so I am guessing it won't fit. do I need snip the end of and put another new fitting back on? or is that brake hole only for cable actuated brakes?

    thanks,
    adam

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