• 10-14-2011
    hczeke
    Post Your Carbon Razzo 29ers!
    Interested in this frame, but not a lot Pics available. Post your ride please.
    Thanks, Zeke
  • 10-16-2011
    hczeke
    Wow!
    Wow, no one has built up one of these carbon Razzo's?? Makes it hard to spring for one, even for $799.00.
  • 11-08-2011
    Dictatorsaurus
    They X9 build Razzo has been dropped to $1200 and the carbon frame has been dropped to $700.
  • 11-09-2011
    epiphreddy
    2 Attachment(s)
    I love mine. Builds up easily to 23 Lbs or less with real tires, and a real saddle.
  • 11-09-2011
    hczeke
    Nice! Finally a good Pic. At $699.00 might be too hard to pass up. Thanks.
  • 11-09-2011
    epiphreddy
    You won't regret it. Lighter than an Air 9, Internal cable routing (cables stay clean from mud/grit so you probably will only have to change them once a year or less), tapered headtube, direct mount rear brake, external BB (which I wanted), 5 year warranty, two water bottles, and oh let's not forget $1000+ cheaper than the name brand bikes. To me it is a no brainer.
  • 11-10-2011
    mtblucas
    Wow! I thought that frame looked ugly when I was looking on Sette's website. When you see the bike built up, however, it looks really nice! Frame looks like it is pretty high quality! How is the ride quality? Is it fast?
  • 11-10-2011
    hczeke
    How is the clearance for the rear IKON? Sette site says 2.2 max tire size. The IKON's are my tire of choice & pretty large volume....any issues? Thanks.
  • 11-10-2011
    epiphreddy
    I set a PR in the Swank Mtbike race last Sunday. I beat my time from the year before by 20 minutes. The ride quality is great. All I have to compare it to hardtail wise is a Lynskey Pro 29er that I had before this bike. The Sette rides a lot better. The carbon seems to mute most of the sharpness of the bumps. I could not be happier......well I wish I would have gotten the frame for $700 instead of the $800 that I paid.
    But it is still one hell of a bargain compared to all of the other name brand frames at $1,800+, which to me is a joke. This bike is easily as nice or nicer. You just don't have an actual bikeshop to walk into to give your extra $1,000 to for nothing other than being a middle man and a nuisance. ;)
  • 11-10-2011
    epiphreddy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hczeke View Post
    How is the clearance for the rear IKON? Sette site says 2.2 max tire size. The IKON's are my tire of choice & pretty large volume....any issues? Thanks.

    Plenty of room all around. I would say probably a 1/2" of more each side of the chainstays and probably a little more by the seatstays. I am using a Stans Arch rim too. I would say you could put most any tire on there up to probably a 2.4 with no issues.
  • 11-10-2011
    epiphreddy
    [QUOTE=mtblucas;8616703]Wow! I thought that frame looked ugly when I was looking on Sette's website. When you see the bike built up, however, it looks really nice! QUOTE]

    Thanks. I was very pleased with the way it built up and ended up looking. There are several pictures on the pricepoint website and after looking at all of them and comparing the geometry to my Medium Niner Jet 9 I pulled the trigger. I ended up going with the 19" Sette. I have received many compliments on the looks of the bike and could not be happier with the way it looks and rides.
  • 11-10-2011
    Dictatorsaurus
    [QUOTE=epiphreddy;8617480]
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtblucas View Post
    Wow! I thought that frame looked ugly when I was looking on Sette's website. When you see the bike built up, however, it looks really nice! QUOTE]

    Thanks. I was very pleased with the way it built up and ended up looking. There are several pictures on the pricepoint website and after looking at all of them and comparing the geometry to my Medium Niner Jet 9 I pulled the trigger. I ended up going with the 19" Sette. I have received many compliments on the looks of the bike and could not be happier with the way it looks and rides.

    If you got your frame recently email PP and have them reimburse you the $100. They're good with the price guarantee.
  • 11-10-2011
    epiphreddy
    Thanks for the idea. The PP policy is within the last 30 days, and mine was bought in September so I am out of luck. For $850 shipped I am still happy.
  • 11-11-2011
    wardo78
    Can someone way in with the BB height to the center of the spindle?

    Thanks,
    Wardo
  • 11-12-2011
    mtblucas
    Many people on these forums, myself included, feel the aluminum Razzo frames feel a little large for their respective sizes. In other words, a size L frame feels more like an XL frame from other bike brands. Do you feel that this is the same with the carbon version? Does it feel true to size? Just trying to figure out what size I should get if I decide to pull the trigger on it. Thanks for the info!
  • 11-13-2011
    russmu66
    I too am wondering about sizing. I am 6 ft tall and normally use a Large frame. The Sette's top tube measurements seem in between other frame brands. Not sure whether to go for the 19 or 21 inch. Anyone that has bought one got any comments?

    Cheers
    Murray
  • 11-17-2011
    epiphreddy
    I am 5'-9" with a 32" (jeans) inseam. The Sette 19" headtube is 8mm(I think it was) longer than a Medium Niner Jet 9 which I think is considered to be an 18" frame. I use a 100mm stem on the Sette with a slight setback seatpost and a 110mm on the jet with a zero setback seatpost. I seem to have long arms compared to some other same height friends based on our bike setup comparisons and test rides. Anyways, at 6' I would say that a 19" or a 21" would work for you and you could just adjust the seat/stem accordingly referencing what you know currently that you use/like. I would compare your current bike's geometry chart and the 19" and 21" Sette and see how they compare. If in doubt I would go larger. You can always adjust your stem shorter and use a zero setback seatpost with the larger frame.
  • 11-19-2011
    infanterene
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by epiphreddy View Post
    I set a PR in the Swank Mtbike race last Sunday. I beat my time from the year before by 20 minutes. The ride quality is great. All I have to compare it to hardtail wise is a Lynskey Pro 29er that I had before this bike. The Sette rides a lot better. The carbon seems to mute most of the sharpness of the bumps. I could not be happier......well I wish I would have gotten the frame for $700 instead of the $800 that I paid.
    But it is still one hell of a bargain compared to all of the other name brand frames at $1,800+, which to me is a joke. This bike is easily as nice or nicer. You just don't have an actual bikeshop to walk into to give your extra $1,000 to for nothing other than being a middle man and a nuisance. ;)

    Damn I am really considering a Lynskey. Can you go into detail about the differences? Maybe in a PM so as not highjack the thread.
  • 11-19-2011
    epiphreddy
    I see no reason to not discuss the Sette Razzo Carbon in the Sette thread. The differences first of all are that the Sette is way less than 1/2 the price of the Lynskey. Money no object the Sette rides better and seems to absorb/mute the bumps out more due to the Carbon Fiber. The Sette is about a 1/2 Lb lighter so it is more responsive too. The Sette has internal cable routing which I thought was somewhat of a sales gimmick until I realized the virtues of having the internal cable routing. With internal routing you will probably only need to change out the cables/housing once a year or less since they don't become contaminated with dirt and water. The Sette just seems to ride a lot smoother than the Lynskey. My Lynskey just seemed down right stiff and just seemed to beat me everytime I rode it. Not to mention on the Medium Lynskey the top tube was just too short. I probably would have been better of on a large Lynskey. My Lynskey had the slider drop outs so it could be run single speed which I tried but ultimately set it up geared. With all things considered, to me the Sette and any other China Carbon 29er (see the China Carbon 29er thread) just makes a lot more sense particularly when you consider the HUGE price difference. I rode the Lynskey for a year and feel like I gave it a fair try but it just never struck me as being anything that nice. Luckily I bought it out of the Lynskey Loft and I was able to sell it for just a little less than I paid for it, so as far as $$ go, the Lynskey ended up being a nice experiment but for me it just was not there. For what it is worth my Lynskey Pro 29er was a 2009. They may have the tapered headtube and some other nice additions by now but again I still think the Sette would be a much nicer bike money no object, but when you figure in money, then it really is clear to me.
  • 02-29-2012
    highsierrabear
    Okay, I wrote up a pretty complete review of the Sette Carbon Razzo 29er (XX version). It's on my blog- TahoeSux (Shameless plug, I know). I'm not going to cut and paste several pages + pics. So you can check it out there.

    MTBR won't let me post links till I've posted at least 10 times. You'll have to cut and paste or search for Tahoe Sux:

    tahoesux.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/razzo-part-1/
  • 05-08-2012
    john.wilkinson@datacon.at
    I'm considering the Razzo 1.0 ally vs the Razzo SC X7

    They are close in spec, except brakes, tapered head tube, and Carbon frame.

    Those who have experiece with both frames -- does the carbon make a significant difference in frame stiffness or smother ride to justify the extra $$??
  • 05-13-2012
    thegallery
    Yeah, I've been riding the aluminum razzo for 2+ years and wonder, beyond the weight savings, how does the carbon feel? I'm bouncing around too much in the rear right now and hoping the carbon will take the edge off. Anyone ridden both?
  • 05-13-2012
    Dictatorsaurus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thegallery View Post
    Yeah, I've been riding the aluminum razzo for 2+ years and wonder, beyond the weight savings, how does the carbon feel? I'm bouncing around too much in the rear right now and hoping the carbon will take the edge off. Anyone ridden both?

    A carbon frame is not going to make you bounce less or be more comfortable. It will be stiffer.
  • 05-13-2012
    thegallery
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    A carbon frame is not going to make you bounce less or be more comfortable. It will be stiffer.

    I don't know; I rode a carbon hard tail for the summer last year and yes, it was stiff, but it was also smooth at the same time. It's hard to describe, but even on the road it just hummed along smoother. Someone used the term 'resonance'; the carbon just didn't seem to beat me up the same way the aluminum is now. I've seen a few companies claim lateral stiffness with vertical response, like the Ultimate. Every frame is different of course, but it'd be great to hear from someone who's been on both.

    There's a chance I'll get to demo one this tuesday, though it won't be setup for me hopefully I can get a feel for it.
  • 05-15-2012
    donovan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    A carbon frame is not going to make you bounce less or be more comfortable. It will be stiffer.

    I don't believe that is correct. Carbon should be smoother.
  • 05-15-2012
    highsierrabear
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    A carbon frame is not going to make you bounce less or be more comfortable. It will be stiffer.

    Not true. Carbon (like aluminum, steel, or ti) can be super stiff or noodle flexy depending on how the carbon is laid out. There are also many different types of carbon fiber cloth with different strength and flex characteristics.

    "Carbon bikes are stiffer" is a total oversimplification of the process. It's all about how the carbon cloth is laid out, the directions the fabric is laid, the type of CF cloth being used, and a number of other factors. Because carbon layup and manufacturing has improved so much over the last 10 years, there are endless variations in carbon frame design. A quick google search on carbon fiber cloth or materials will show that there are many, many different types out there.

    There are 2.1 pound ultralight road frames at one end of the scale, and carbon DH bikes with 10" of travel at the other. It's about the design and layout, not the material.
  • 05-21-2012
    twd953
    I've ridden both. I've had the Al frame for about 2.5 yrs, and the carbon for about a week. I've only got maybe 50 miles on it so far.

    Swapped all the components straight across with the exception of going from a Thomson 27.2 post on the AL frame to a 31.6 carbon post on the carbon frame.

    Can't say I noticed a huge difference in the ride quality between the two. They both feel like hardtails to me. Both seem plenty stiff out of the saddle.

    I'm running 2.3 tires at or below 20 psi, so that is where the vast majority of any cushion is coming from in back.

    Really, really like the internal cable routing on the carbon frame though. Was super simple to set up the derailluer cables and the shifting is much improved. Still have the rear hydraulic line electrical taped to the outside of the frame. Need to install a longer line than what I had on the AL frame and just got the hose kit in the mail.

    The mfg specs said the AL frame has clearance for 2.3s max and the carbon only fits 2.2s, but the carbon frame has more room between the stays than my AL one does.

    Oh...and being a carbon frame, chain slap is super loud. Couldn't stand it on the first ride, so I wrapped an old length of tube around the chainstay. That quieted it down to an acceptable level. Don't recall it being that loud on my last carbon HT frame, or on my carbon cyclocross bike, but whatever, it's an easy fix.
  • 05-23-2012
    squareback
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by twd953 View Post


    Oh...and being a carbon frame, chain slap is super loud. Couldn't stand it on the first ride, so I wrapped an old length of tube around the chainstay. That quieted it down to an acceptable level. Don't recall it being that loud on my last carbon HT frame, or on my carbon cyclocross bike, but whatever, it's an easy fix.

    I also noticed this, plus the gravel from the front tire hits the frame and sounds like a Transformers movie.

    I need to get some of that protective tape. You can buy it from a race car store in small lengths, it is called "helicopter tape"
  • 06-19-2012
    benja55
    Razzo as SS?
    Anyone convert theirs to Singlespeed?
  • 06-19-2012
    Dictatorsaurus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    Anyone convert theirs to Singlespeed?

    I ran mine as a SS for a while. While it worked ok, it's never ideal running a none SS specific frame as SS unless you run an EBB or hub.
  • 06-19-2012
    JMac47
    Really?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    it's never ideal running a none SS specific frame as SS unless you run an EBB or hub.

    How so?
  • 06-20-2012
    Alpenglow
    Chain Tension
    Unless you run a tensionser (which looks getto IMO), it is nearly impossible to get the right chain length with the whatever chainring and cog you choose to run. That is why single speeds have EBBs or sliding dropouts. You don't want to drop a chain on a tough climb.
  • 06-20-2012
    Dictatorsaurus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    How so?

    I used different types of tensioners and always had issues with chain skipping, dropping...etc.
  • 06-23-2012
    palmermtb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    Anyone convert theirs to Singlespeed?

    Pulled the trigger on a 17" Sette Razzo Carbon SC on Friday. Should be here in PHX by Tuesday. I will be running it SS and rigid. I'm striving for a sub 20 lbs ripper. I'll be using Paul's Melvin tensioner. I've been running my Motobecane FLY Ti 29er with the same tensioner for 6 months with no issues. I can be tricky to line it all up by measuring things with a ruller or calipers. Eyeballing it isn't enough. I'll post pics on later in the week.

    Specs
    Frame - Razzo Carbon Sc
    Fork - Niner Carbon
    Wheelset - Chris King, Stan's Flow, Sapim spokes Al nipples
    Crankset - XT with Race Face 32t single ring
    Pedals - Crankbros Candies
    Bar - Easton Haven
    Grips - ESI
    Stem - Thomson
    Chain - KMC
    Cog - Generic 17t


    Post - Kalloy Uno
  • 06-24-2012
    JMac47
    Nice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by palmermtb View Post
    Pulled the trigger on a 17" Sette Razzo Carbon SC on Friday. Should be here in PHX by Tuesday. I will be running it SS and rigid. I'm striving for a sub 20 lbs ripper. I'll be using Paul's Melvin tensioner. I've been running my Motobecane FLY Ti 29er with the same tensioner for 6 months with no issues. I can be tricky to line it all up by measuring things with a ruller or calipers. Eyeballing it isn't enough. I'll post pics on later in the week.

    Specs
    Frame - Razzo Carbon Sc
    Fork - Niner Carbon
    Wheelset - Chris King, Stan's Flow, Sapim spokes Al nipples
    Crankset - XT with Race Face 32t single ring
    Pedals - Crankbros Candies
    Bar - Easton Haven
    Grips - ESI
    Stem - Thomson
    Chain - KMC
    Cog - Generic 17t


    Post - Kalloy Uno

    Which color did you get? Been looking at doing the same with one of the regular frames (black matte finish) but not any 15"-17" left.

    That should be an inexpensive build for a single track ripper! Looking forward to finish build.
  • 06-24-2012
    palmermtb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Which color did you get? Been looking at doing the same with one of the regular frames (black matte finish) but not any 15"-17" left.

    That should be an inexpensive build for a single track ripper! Looking forward to finish build.

    I got the Gloss Black and Tungsten Silver. I was going to get the Matte for the price but didn't like the fact that the 17" doesn't accomodate tapered forks. Also I don't believe they ever made a 15" in the Matte Black.
  • 06-25-2012
    JMac47
    Oh contraire~
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by palmermtb View Post
    I got the Gloss Black and Tungsten Silver. I was going to get the Matte for the price but didn't like the fact that the 17" doesn't accomodate tapered forks. Also I don't believe they ever made a 15" in the Matte Black.

    Complete bike. Didn't want to take a chance on fit and then have a bunch of spare parts plus frame to sell. At 5'-6 1/2" was riding the fence on size too. Tungstin would have been my choice in gloss too.

    Sette Razzo SC X7 10 Speed 29er Carbon Bike - Matte Black with Slate Blue at Price Point
  • 06-26-2012
    palmermtb
    I know how you feel I'm also. Steven sizes at 5' 8". I can ride a 17 or a 19. Due to the technical rocky terrain PHX I prefer a smaller frame.
    I was seriously contemplating the 19 this time since this bike will mostly be for the tamer trails.

    What convinced me was the 15 day return policy. If it doesn't fit or you just don't like it after two weeks you can send it back. You'll have to pay for shipping but that's not too bad.
  • 06-26-2012
    palmermtb
    So I received the frame today and unboxed it as soon as I got home. Holy cow is this thing light! The quality of the frame seems on par with the higher end brands. The paint and gloss finish seem flawless. I immediately installed a Chris King BB and found the threads chased and smooth the BB also looked like it was properly faced. I installed the seatpost and it fit perfectly as well.

    The only hiccup was when I tried to install the forks. The Niner fork I'm installing is non tapered and the frame did not include the 1 1/8" reducer crown race. I thought the website listed that both the 1.5 and the 1 1/8" reducer came with the frame. That's a bummer. Im sure Price Point will send me out one tomorrow but that means the build is postponed until I can get the right race. I'll call around to all the better bike shops in town tomorrow but doubt I will find one locally. Till then
  • 06-27-2012
    ZXFT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by epiphreddy View Post
    I love mine. Builds up easily to 23 Lbs or less with real tires, and a real saddle.

    The Crows might not be "real" tires, but the Fizik Tundra is a real saddle. Before slamming it, you might want to get on one and see how nice it feels. As an added bonus, they're not anchor weights like WTBs tend to be.
  • 06-27-2012
    palmermtb
    So I call Pricepoint today to tell them about the missing crown race. I talk to Joseph in Sales who says that he'll send me a crown race ASAP. Then I get an email from him that says they don't have any extras and I should contact the manufacturer of the headset. WTF?

    I replied and told him that the specs on their website show that both races come with the frame.

    I called every bike shop in Phx and no one had the race. I went ahead and ordered one from Jensonusa and paid $20 extra to have it shipped 2day air.
  • 07-02-2012
    palmermtb
    3 Attachment(s)
    Attachment 707737Finally got the Razzo built up last night. Originally was going to be an SS and then changed my mind. Since this bike uses internal routing I have to order a new rear brake hose. As you can see im running the hose along the frame for now Attachment 707738
    Attachment 707739
    Can't wait to take on a maiden ride. I also covered the majority of the frame with Bike Saver tape. The finish is so nice and I want to keep that way.
  • 07-03-2012
    Wolf57
    Wow! The paint scheme looks way better than the website pics. I read that the 17in is not compatible with fox taperd forks? Or is that the older razzo frame? Cuz i have been eyeing this frame but wasnt sure about that.But Very nice build!!
  • 07-04-2012
    palmermtb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wolf57 View Post
    Wow! The paint scheme looks way better than the website pics. I read that the 17in is not compatible with fox taperd forks? Or is that the older razzo frame? Cuz i have been eyeing this frame but wasnt sure about that.But Very nice build!!

    I think a lot of people thought that same as you, including me. It looks gawdy on the web but in person it looks really well done.
  • 07-14-2012
    arthur24b6
    I got the razzo sc as the complete x9 build (the red/white one) and I can confirm that the paint scheme is not the most eye pleasing but it is definitely better in person then on the site.

    Frame quality is really quite good as others have noted here. I bought the 19" and it fits me very well (6' 32 inseam). If you're any taller or have a longer inseam you should consider the XL. I really like the geometry of this frame- it is quick without being twitchy though it is a bike you have to pay attention to- but it definitely rewards for that. I bought it to race XC and out of the box this is a great option for the money. If you consider the price point I actually have nothing complain about- its fast, light, and is sure footed without feeling slow when the turns get tight.
  • 07-28-2012
    squirlyvt
    Thinking about pulling the trigger on one of these. Does anybody know if the geometry listed online is based on a 80mm fork, or is it based on a 100mm fork?
  • 08-03-2012
    crclawn
    palmermtb, that looks really nice. What is the build weight? Can you give us a ride report? I am seriously thinking about building one of these up.
  • 08-04-2012
    palmermtb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crclawn View Post
    palmermtb, that looks really nice. What is the build weight? Can you give us a ride report? I am seriously thinking about building one of these up.

    Here's some excerpts from a XPOST in the 29er forum

    Weight using my digital bathroom scale = 20.2.

    Ride report results:

    Took the bike out for a flogging at South Mountain this morning. I had a blast just hammering it all over the trail. I've owned Aluminum, Steel fand Ti hardtail frames . This is the first carbon Hardtail that I've had and ridden on real dirt trails.

    I'm sold on the ride characteristics of the frame and carbon in general. The frame's damping qualities were excellent. The bike was super solid and stiff when I stood up to sprint or grind up a steep climb. However, on the rough rocky sections it felt like it was damping the vibrations and impacts such that I felt comfortable going even faster through those sections.The bike was spot on from the word go.

    Normally, I get on a new frame and I have to get a feel for it after a few rides but not this time. I felt right at home and I just started hammering it some more. I took it up my favorite climb to the Heli pad and then down one of the sketchiest trails (Goat Trail). No problems or issues and the damped ride was really cool.

    I had heard a lot of people saying that carbon bikes have a dead feeling to them. I can understand that some might say that but in a rock strewn area like Phoenix. That damping is a major asset.

    I am close to selling my Ti Hardtail and buying another one of these to keep as a single speeder.

    I am definitely selling my steel road bike and buying one of their Sette carbon road frames. I'm sold on their products.
  • 08-05-2012
    crclawn
    palmermtb, thanks for that report. Your bike looks super sweet. I am thinking about going with the Razzo SC with the red in it.

    Some questions:

    1. I didn't see your tensioner for your 1 x, can you post a picture of it. I want to run 1x10 and am thinking about a chain guide.
    2. I have a XT 2x10 crank, can I take off the outer ring and run it 1x10.
    4. Can you explain why you need to order new brake line because of the internal routing?

    I think I can get mine sub 22 or 23 lbs, I will run a 20mm reba with Hadley/Flows and a 1 x10 but with a bash guard.
  • 08-06-2012
    arthur24b6
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by squirlyvt View Post
    Thinking about pulling the trigger on one of these. Does anybody know if the geometry listed online is based on a 80mm fork, or is it based on a 100mm fork?

    I believe it is based on 100mm- it comes stock with it and mine does not feel slugish even in tight turns.