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    New Strong Frames - quick picts (merged thread)




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    Beautiful.... How does she ride?

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    Only been out twice so far... the chain was too slack so I had to give up on the real trail but rode great when I was on it... tracking is amazing, the geos are right on, the tubless rocks, the discs, well, they need worked in a little more and need to get used to them (went from rims to), and I also have to get used to the larger and more plush fork (from air only 80mm). The xtr levers are ok (went from SRAM twists), I'm not so sure about the way it shifts yet, basically there is a lot I need to get updated on since my previous bike was 6+ years old (also a Strong FS)... When I asked Carl to build a hardtail w/ disc at first I a bit concerned that the thing would weigh a ton, but he assured me that it would be fine and close to 24lbs... I haven't put it on the LBS scale or will but i is a little heavier than my steel SS, which was very suprising since there is a ton more on the this one, disc, geared drive, etc. Overall I am extremely pleased!

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    Nice!

    Thanks for the pics, it looks like a nice bike hope you enjoy it.

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    Good job! CARL STRONG frames - show yours here

    As a soon to be member of this group and VERY eger to see every photo of Carl's works of art - PLEASE share your photos here.

    HELP OTHERS SEE WHY CARL STRONG IS KNOW FOR MAKING A BEAUTIFUL FRAME.

    No I do not work for Carl. I don't even live in the same country.
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    posted elswhere also... but here's mine.

    3 weeks old now.
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    Just checked his website, very cool looking bikes! I'd love a 6/4 ti bike. very nice build RWGreen

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    Woohoo, just got a call from Carl, he's finishing up my frame right now! It will be going to Spectrum soon !!!

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    RWGreen - yes I've seen yours in the 29er forum but is well worth seeing again!

    xdefx - Please post pictures here when you have them - must be a fine steel rig you've had made?

    My frame is on hold [MY ISSUE] as I wont be in the States until December! :>((

    Any thoughts on seat stay design? To S-bend OR not to S-bend.....hmmmmm....I am considering having the disc break "brace" put on my Ti frame - just for that added stiffness.
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    Here are some of my old Strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xdefx
    Woohoo, just got a call from Carl, he's finishing up my frame right now! It will be going to Spectrum soon !!!
    So - where is it man?

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    My New Strong 29er

    I was looking for a way to try the whole 29er thing and swapped a Rick Hunter cross rig for the Strong frame, fork and wheelset. Frame is too big for me, but I am going to likely have something built for me in the spring and Carl is on the short list of potential builders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RWGreen
    So - where is it man?
    *sigh*......still waiting, it's at Spectrum. I was hoping that Carl would get it back this week, and then get it shipped out to me, not looking good. There doesn't seem to be much communication from Spectrum, that's a little frustrating.....considering Carl is very responsive. It goes into a black hole, then comes out painted, maybe 2-3 weeks. I am a real stickler about communcation, so this is bugging the heck out of me.

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    ha. 20_bandh and i were recently in the same position. our thylacine's went into the black hole at spectrum and warwick seemed to be given the run around from them as to when our frames would be finished. we've been told they were shipped out on tuesday but until either the box arrives or a tracking number is presented there remains a hint of doubt.

    fortunately our's were there just for finishing rather than paint.

    when your work is a sought after as spectrum's seems to be you can typically get away with situations like this. not saying it's right. just saying it is more likely to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdefx
    *sigh*......still waiting, it's at Spectrum. I was hoping that Carl would get it back this week, and then get it shipped out to me, not looking good. There doesn't seem to be much communication from Spectrum, that's a little frustrating.....considering Carl is very responsive. It goes into a black hole, then comes out painted, maybe 2-3 weeks. I am a real stickler about communcation, so this is bugging the heck out of me.
    Well - their work is worth it, and hopefully it won't be much longer. Mine was only there a little over a week, so I must have gottne lucky and caught a gap in their schedule. It is tough to be patient. Carl was very patient with me calling and bugging him once a week.

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    Carl's workmanship is among the best I've ever seen. He gets my vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AteMrYeats
    Carl's workmanship is among the best I've ever seen. He gets my vote.
    Mr Yeats, that looks mighty fine. Would you care to share the relevant details, intended build? Also, what colour did you use - is that one of Carl's stock colours or a custom?

    I'm in the Strong Queue, paid my deposit. Just patiently waiting for the good man to get back to me so we can begin the tube spec and design process. Can't wait

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    Quote Originally Posted by stymie
    Mr Yeats, that looks mighty fine. Would you care to share the relevant details, intended build? Also, what colour did you use - is that one of Carl's stock colours or a custom?

    I'm in the Strong Queue, paid my deposit. Just patiently waiting for the good man to get back to me so we can begin the tube spec and design process. Can't wait
    I've been riding the frameówith a custom Strong forkófor over a year now, and it has been reliable and versatile. It was built around the rather tall Marzocchi MX 29er fork, and while I havenít yet put a suspension fork on it, I have the option.
    The color is custom: itís very dark brown in the shade, but the topcoat appears in the sunlight. The picture, as usual, does not give an accurate depiction.
    I included a shot from this spring; the spec hasnít changed much.
    Are you ordering a 29er? Single or geared? Any way you like it, itíll be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AteMrYeats
    I've been riding the frameówith a custom Strong forkófor over a year now, and it has been reliable and versatile. It was built around the rather tall Marzocchi MX 29er fork, and while I havenít yet put a suspension fork on it, I have the option.
    The color is custom: itís very dark brown in the shade, but the topcoat appears in the sunlight. The picture, as usual, does not give an accurate depiction.
    I included a shot from this spring; the spec hasnít changed much.
    Are you ordering a 29er? Single or geared? Any way you like it, itíll be nice.
    Nice build there, elegant and understated. I'm going for a similar aesthetic, although mine will be a 26er with a Rohloff designed around a 120mm fork (most likely the RS Pike). The idea is for a neutral to slightly laid back geometry for all-round trail riding. I can adjust the fork to 140mm to slacken things out, or drop to 100mm if I wish to get more racey. Well, that is the goal anyway - I need to confirm all this with Carl!

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    Strong-ing it Too!

    After riding, a LONG time ago racing and loving Yetis I am now a Strong customer.

    I've decided that for my size and how I ride, I'm going back to a hardtail from my current AS-R. Carl has been a pleasure to work with so far; (initial design) it reminds me of the guy who makes my goaltending equipment. You are an integral part of every aspect of the bike...

    My question is about what I've had vs. something new. Should I go with the the specs I had the same geometry essentially since '89. The 73/71, long top tube, quick handling of my current bikes or just let Carl figure it out?

    Given the great level of service and professionalism so far, I think either way is a winner!
    Any thoughts?

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    Friday !!!

    According to FEDEX, my frame will be here Friday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    hey stymie, glad to see you're taking the plung. i remember you mentioned a while about about going for a rohloff design. let me know when she arrives. would love to see one in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdefx
    According to FEDEX, my frame will be here Friday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Only 3 more sleeps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanceh
    hey stymie, glad to see you're taking the plung. i remember you mentioned a while about about going for a rohloff design. let me know when she arrives. would love to see one in person.
    Yep, the ball is officially rolling. It will still be a while off yet. Carl hopes to have a first draft for this Friday. It's a fairly straight forward build, so I'm not sure how many iterations we will go through. In any case, it sounds like the real wait is going to be the powdercoating thru Spectrum. Perhaps if I go Titanium it will speed things up a little?!

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    Ryano42:

    I used to dream of a Yeti ARC in the mid-90s. My 0.02$ is that if you like your geometry [you should know by now after so many miles] - stick with it. Maybe consider another material - your Yeti is Alu - right? - how 'bout some new age steel [Reynolds 853 or better]?...or how 'bout Titanium?...Carl is very keen to material performance properties and his web site has a wealth of knowledge in this regard.

    IF/SHOULD you are considering a 29er you may want to steepen the HT to 72...as a start.

    FYI - I'm having my Strong built longer, taller and steeper than my current Gary Fisher Paragon [74SA(Fisher is 73), 72HA (Fisher is 71.5), 66cm eff TT(Fisher is 64.7cm), 15cm HT (Fisher is 10.5cm)].....This is all per my own measuring/pondering/15 years of XC.....I hope I get it right! - measure twice - cut once!!!.....I measured 100 times! I can't wait.....NOW IS THE FUN TIME - choosing the build parts!

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    Friday is...BLUEPRINT Day!!!



    Just as you said, Carl said "don't mess with it" and is going 71/73, a teeny bit longer on the top tube, and the same chainstay length and BB height as traditional Yeti.

    The changes are going to be ruggedness and making a Ti frame to fit my size (6'3'' 215 lb. hockey player!)

    I feel a twinge about leaving the Tribe after all this time, but they deal in Aluminum only and my bud John Parker is long gone from them. I miss my old STEEL ProFRO (which I may reincarnate as a SS!) they have no intention of introducing new H/T's and are going to farm out ARC's to Asia.

    Don't mistake me, they are great folks, but their bread and butter is the downhill crowd and that's fine.

    Carl has exceeded every expectation I have had. His service and sheer passion reminds me the Parker or 20 years ago or Ben Serotta back in the day.

    I think this will be the bike I have been riding towards my whole life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stymie
    Yep, the ball is officially rolling. It will still be a while off yet. Carl hopes to have a first draft for this Friday. It's a fairly straight forward build, so I'm not sure how many iterations we will go through. In any case, it sounds like the real wait is going to be the powdercoating thru Spectrum. Perhaps if I go Titanium it will speed things up a little?!
    My frame was at Spectrum about 2.5 weeks. The whole process of sending it to Spectrum (Bozeman to CO Springs), getting it painted, and shipping it back was exactly 3 weeks. Carl turned it around the next day, and it was off to me.

    It's in Chicago right now and is supposed to arrive tomorrow!! I have a busy weekend, I will try and get some pics of the frame uploaded as soon as I can....

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    I don't know if Tracking is a blessing or a curse sometimes! You see it creeping across the country...slowly...slowly.

    My goalie gear comes from Ontario via CANPAR. It tracks great until the border...then USPS. Tracking goes away and it gets here when it gets here... 1 to 4 weeks!

    And they use those sneaky little jeeps...takes the fun out of listening for the UPS rumble!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryano42


    Just as you said, Carl said "don't mess with it" and is going 71/73, a teeny bit longer on the top tube, and the same chainstay length and BB height as traditional Yeti.

    The changes are going to be ruggedness and making a Ti frame to fit my size (6'3'' 215 lb. hockey player!)
    Yep, Carl is a pleasure to work with! Your build sounds very similar to the direction I am heading, and like you, Friday is blueprint day!

    I'm 187cm and 95kg. Carl suggested I go a little longer in the toptube (62cm, up from 60cm on my Schwinn). Same angles as you, 71/73, but I'd like to flesh that out a little more, as I am aiming for something a hair on the "laidback" side of things. Perhaps drop the HTA down 05-1.0 degree?

    What sort of spec are you thinking, and what sort of riding will you be doing?

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    Well hard trail rides, cross country as we used to call it, long rides. No jumping or scary stuff...I am TOO old fer that.

    My AS-R is great, handles like a dream but really impossible to pedal out of the saddle in any condition. For the riding I do I don't necessarily NEED rear suspension (I raced all my years without it!)

    That and the Aluminum can factor instigated a change.

    My main ideas I got across to Carl was strength and reliability. I lucked into a Seven Axiom Ti frame from a a guy who was my size, and I figured Ti = noodle. (Remember the first Lightspeed Obed?) I never knew Ti could be build like that; flexy in some aspects and stiff in others!

    Whoda thunk???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryano42
    I never knew Ti could be build like that; flexy in some aspects and stiff in others!
    yup. my new Ti bike just saw its first action last week and i was inially suprised by how much flex it has. the amazing thing to me was how that flexyness had no adverse affect on handeling.

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    Good to hear....

    that the Ti does not flex too much as my frame will be Ti as well - straight cage - and as stiff as he can build it.

    Titanium plus 29er for me [6'3" 184lbs - used to be into body building and weighed 215lbs - wish I would of spent that energy developing my riding strength.....DOOOH!] - I figure the 29er about as close as I can get to a fully - without all the bearings/links/etc....Aside from being a touch too small [XL frame] my Alu 29er has been nice but still a bit harsh on the multiple hour journeys.

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    It's Here !!

    [I hate to do this without pics, but...]

    Arrived as planned, it is total sweetness!!! Batteries died on my camera, as soon as I get some I will get some pics up. The craftsmanship is amazing......

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    Sweet - glad to hear it xdefx! Can't wait to see some pics!

    Carl emailed my first blueprint today - looks pretty good. Did not get a chance to speak to him though, so we'll go through the details on Monday. Just out of curiosity, what did you end up with for your BB height and wheelbase?

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    I AM JEALOUS - and happy for you - can't wait to see it.

    I won't be home to pick mine up until December [we are still tweeking it anyway]....until then its time do decide how I'll build it up....Will I "pull the triger" on the new XTR or go with full XT [rapid fire - seperate disc levers]....It'll be ALOT of browsing until then.

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    Pics !!!!!!!

    The more I look at it, the more I admire the work, it's friggin' sweet. The paint is good, and exatcly what I drew up. I spent a good bit of time deliberating on the HT, so, it's plain. I think it kind of gives it a simple, yet custom feel. The frame comes in at 6.15 on my LBS's scale. That was with seatpost collar and the shim Carl made be so I can get a normal size post (if you call 28.6 normal). I have it about half built, wheels arriving tomorrow and then I will have everything. I hope to finish it up this week......

    Here you go.....

    The rear end is sooo beefy, in the pics, nothing is holding it up, it's balancing itself !!












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    Well it's about time!

    Looks great... love that color of blue on the panel. I think it's the same as mine.

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    Good Lord, it looks GREAT! I could stare at it all day. You must be stoked.

    It looks burly as hell too, major confidence boost when you are out on the trail. I can't wait to see the final build and a ride report. What did you decide to do re: wheelset? DT5.1s or something else?

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    huh, 6.15lbs??? what am i missing?

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    Xdefx:

    One word "solid"...o.k. more words "beautiful", one-of-a-kind"!

    Looks like oversized steel tubes...no?

    Material spec. please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardTail29er
    Xdefx:

    One word "solid"...o.k. more words "beautiful", one-of-a-kind"!

    Looks like oversized steel tubes...no?

    Material spec. please.
    Yep. Custom blend of different steel tubing. I am 5'11" 240lbs, (hardtail29er - I too bodybuild and do some powerlifting - doesn't really go to well with cycling, oh well) and I told Carl that strength was #1, as I hit some drops and have been known to launch a jump from time to time. I cracked my last alum frame.

    Here's the tubing info and general specs:

    ST = 35mm
    TT = 35mm
    HT = 37mm
    DT = 38mm

    ST = 4130
    TT, DD = Columbus Thermacrom butted, .9/.6/.9 wall thickness
    HT & Stays are tandem
    BB height at 13"
    HTA = 70 with a 5" fork
    ETT = 23
    STA = 73


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    Quote Originally Posted by stymie
    Good Lord, it looks GREAT! I could stare at it all day. You must be stoked.

    It looks burly as hell too, major confidence boost when you are out on the trail. I can't wait to see the final build and a ride report. What did you decide to do re: wheelset? DT5.1s or something else?
    The wheels are arriving today, I had them built by Larry Mettler of Moutain High Cyclery in Loveland, CO. I have heard nothing but good things about Larry from a number of people here on MTBR. I went with the new DT Swiss E540. It's pretty much a 5.1, but a little heavier. Larry recommended rims that were in the 550g weight range based on my size and riding style. I was able to find a Hope Bulb Rear (last one at Speedgoat), and Larry found a Hope Bulb 20mm front for me. Black rims, black hubs, black spokes 32h - 3 cross, black nipples.....

    Overall componentry is a mix of strong, light, and strong and light!

    King HS
    Truvativ Team 31.8 riser
    Thomson X4 Stem 10/100
    Thomson Seatpost 28.6x410
    WTB Rocket V Race
    Marzocchi Z1 FRIII - lowered to 130mm
    Saint Cranks and BB
    E13 - 36T chainring
    Gamut G45 Chainguide
    Time Atac Alium Pedals
    Avid Mech 6" rotors
    Avid Levers
    SRAM Attack Shifter
    XT Rear Der - short cage
    Shimano 11-32 rear cassette
    Shimano Chain
    ODI Lockon's
    DT Swiss E540 Rims laced 3 cross to Hope Bulb 20mm front and QR rear
    Kenda Nevegal DTC 2.35 front/rear

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    Man, I never get tired of looking at Carl Strong Frames.

    I love the 70 degree HA and 73 SA--it's tthe magic combo for getting up the hill with just enough softening of the angles for fun rough descents.

    And the 13 inch BB is a great touch too

    Nice design.

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    Sweet!

    The size of the tubes and the color makes it look more Ti than steel, it looks a really burly build and should take everything you can throw at it.

    Let us know how she rides.

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    Design Question...

    Did he suggest the triple triangle frame? I really like how that looks and I bet it makes it super stiff and able to have smaller main triangles...

    I am thinking of asking him about it...your frame is now my desktop to keep me patient about how long it may take!

    Looks GREAT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryano42
    Did he suggest the triple triangle frame? I really like how that looks and I bet it makes it super stiff and able to have smaller main triangles...

    I am thinking of asking him about it...your frame is now my desktop to keep me patient about how long it may take!

    Looks GREAT!
    Cool! Glad you like it. The seat strut was actually my idea. I wanted to have ample standover, but also have a little more seat tube. In addition to the fact that I like the way it looks. Carl said that was a great idea, so he had no issues adding it on for me.....

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    Seat strut.... <scribble scribble scribble>

    I got my final design review tomorrow...

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    xdefx:

    Just spoke with Carl today. We got to talking a bit about your frame and he mentioned the you live in C-town and ride Rays Indoor MTB park. That place looks soo cool. As a born and raised Buckeye I can say I wish Fremont [yeah right] or Toledo would of had one of those parks when I was there!

    But anyway - I'm really stoked about how my frame is developing - still a few months away before I'll be in SoCal to get it but everything is coming together nicely. Your mates are gonna flip when they see your rig!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardTail29er
    xdefx:

    Just spoke with Carl today. We got to talking a bit about your frame and he mentioned the you live in C-town and ride Rays Indoor MTB park. That place looks soo cool. As a born and raised Buckeye I can say I wish Fremont [yeah right] or Toledo would of had one of those parks when I was there!

    But anyway - I'm really stoked about how my frame is developing - still a few months away before I'll be in SoCal to get it but everything is coming together nicely. Your mates are gonna flip when they see your rig!

    Cheerc, Cliff
    Carl is a good guy, I think he had fun building my bike, it seemed that way. A couple times he said....Man, it would be cool if we could do this.....That's how I ended up with a 4130 seat tube.....

    Yeah, Ray's is SWEETNESS. And he added some XC trail stuff that goes up into the rafters and all over. I will be riding my Strong over there. Here's some pics of my bike all built up the way it would look when I ride at Ray's.

    I didn't get my trail tires, and had a chance to ride some "urban assault" on Friday in downtown Cleveland, so I threw on my urban tires and shorter stem.....it rides great, hit some steps and some small drops....




    I have it all built up in trail mode now, got my tires, I will get some pics later on, got a bunch of family visiting......

    Adios...

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    Several of us in OH apparently... I'm in Columbus. You need to get that thing down to Mohican State Park... great trails there.

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