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    If you couldn't afford a Moots hardtail frame, which...

    I wanted to get some opinions on this. Thanks
    If you could't afford a Moots hardtail frame, which I really like, which affordable but not too expensive hardtail frame would you buy?

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    Moots is the best hardtail I have ridden although I'm biased. I've had it geared and as a single speed and like it ss much better because I get the response that ti gives. I say this because I had to get another ht for a geared bike (racing and north georgia mountains) and picked up a SIR9. If I didn't buy ti I would get steel for the compliant ride. The seconds you can save from aluminum are not worth it imho. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knobby4me
    Moots is the best hardtail I have ridden although I'm biased. I've had it geared and as a single speed and like it ss much better because I get the response that ti gives. I say this because I had to get another ht for a geared bike (racing and north georgia mountains) and picked up a SIR9. If I didn't buy ti I would get steel for the compliant ride. The seconds you can save from aluminum are not worth it imho. Good luck.

    yea but steel weighs a ton and i have to carry my bike up 3 flights of stairs.
    Ti is out of my range. How bout aluminum? What affordable aluminum hardtail frame would you look into? i guess affordable would be under $600

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    Is that $600 for just the frame or for a complete bike? I do not have a Rigormootis and probably never will after getting my YBB. I do have a GT Zaskar and there is absolutely no comparison between the ride. While the Zaskar climbs like a scalded goat it beats you up. You will not find the ride of Ti in almost anything else. Though I might look at Motobecane to see what they have available. That and save up money to get what you really want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaskar24
    Is that $600 for just the frame or for a complete bike? I do not have a Rigormootis and probably never will after getting my YBB. I do have a GT Zaskar and there is absolutely no comparison between the ride. While the Zaskar climbs like a scalded goat it beats you up. You will not find the ride of Ti in almost anything else. Though I might look at Motobecane to see what they have available. That and save up money to get what you really want.

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    that's about $600 for the frame only. i was going to start off with a good frame and build around it. if i get a good frame to start i was going to take the components i have now which are average, and put them on the good frame, and upgrade as i go along.

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    Get over to e-bay and watch the sales of Moots bikes. Nowdays they are going for $1000-$1200 for a built up bike and less for just the frame. You will never get an AL bike as well made or one that will outlast a Moots, I will not even compair the rides as Ti vs AL isn't really a debate.
    What size do you ride? Currently there is a 18in rigimootis on auction for $1100 with parts!! I've got a 19in YBB in my garage that may soon see the auction floor as well. That's where I would look if I could not afford new. My ten year old YBB rides as nice as my one year old Gristle. Age isn't a factor with Ti, any used Moots can be refurbished to look like new at the factory and the great Ti ride never changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbsbiker
    Get over to e-bay and watch the sales of Moots bikes. Nowdays they are going for $1000-$1200 for a built up bike and less for just the frame. You will never get an AL bike as well made or one that will outlast a Moots, I will not even compair the rides as Ti vs AL isn't really a debate.
    What size do you ride? Currently there is a 18in rigimootis on auction for $1100 with parts!! I've got a 19in YBB in my garage that may soon see the auction floor as well. That's where I would look if I could not afford new. My ten year old YBB rides as nice as my one year old Gristle. Age isn't a factor with Ti, any used Moots can be refurbished to look like new at the factory and the great Ti ride never changes.
    18 in. and 19 in. damn that makes it even harder because i wouldn't know what size to go with for a moots. i'm 5'11.
    i'll have to shop around on ebay and see what's going on.

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    A used MOOTS is better than most new bikes. I got my 1997 YBB Superlight on the bay in 2004 for $1600 with a nice weight weenie build. Still my favorite bike and seeing 3k+ miles a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgltrak
    A used MOOTS is better than most new bikes. I got my 1997 YBB Superlight on the bay in 2004 for $1600 with a nice weight weenie build. Still my favorite bike and seeing 3k+ miles a year.
    how does one know what size moots bike to get?

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    I measured a bike I had that fit me well, and then compared the measurements to those found on the MOOTS website.

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    Here is another place to find out just about anything you want to know about Moots bikes:

    http://www.moots.com/index.php/forum/

    Moots employees pop on every once and a while to answer questions as well. If it was me I would save up and wait to get a Moots YBB. It was my dream bike and took me almost ten years to finally get on. It was a used frame and has been back for a refurbish once and will be going at the end of this year again to have disc tabs added. I love it and would never get rid of it. The only bike that really tempts me to not have the YBB as my primary ride is a Kent Eriksen 5" travel FS with 650B wheels.

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    thanks guys. i really need to test ride a moots. they look like great bikes and with great feedback but i need to test ride one. i just can't afford to shell out big bucks on a bike without a guaranteed great fit.

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    Moots also does Demo rides through the summer, contact the factory and find out where you can connect, or come to steamboat and tour the factory and get fit in house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbsbiker
    Moots also does Demo rides through the summer, contact the factory and find out where you can connect, or come to steamboat and tour the factory and get fit in house.
    out of curiosity i looked to see where steamboat was. i'm guessing 3 hours from denver?
    i would love to get a pro fitting at moots factory. i'll be visiting family in az and i know a shop that carries moots bikes so i'm going to check them out when i'm out there during the summer.

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    Save your money and wait

    I got my rigor last year and it is by far the nicest hardtail I`ve ever ridden and I have been on lot`s . I had planned on getting one when I turn 40 but things happened and I got one a little early . Yes they are expensive but well worth the money
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherijumper
    I got my rigor last year and it is by far the nicest hardtail I`ve ever ridden and I have been on lot`s . I had planned on getting one when I turn 40 but things happened and I got one a little early . Yes they are expensive but well worth the money
    have you ever ridden a ventana? how does it compare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roc865
    have you ever ridden a ventana? how does it compare?

    Never seen one in these parts of the world . I don`t know anything about them . Your obviously thinking of buying one . Just checked out the website , you must be looking at the El Chiquillo .
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    I love this quote.....

    Quote Originally Posted by sgltrak
    A used MOOTS is better than most new bikes. I got my 1997 YBB Superlight on the bay in 2004 for $1600 with a nice weight weenie build. Still my favorite bike and seeing 3k+ miles a year.
    this is exactly correct....there is no perfect fit, there is however, a fit window....get inside yours and then just ride the snot our of the m-fer'..In order of importance...you....then fit....then shtuff.....nuff said....out

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    Quote Originally Posted by roc865
    yea but steel weighs a ton and i have to carry my bike up 3 flights of stairs.
    Ti is out of my range. How bout aluminum? What affordable aluminum hardtail frame would you look into? i guess affordable would be under $600
    Where do you get the idea steel weighs a ton? There are a lot of great steel frames out there right now. What type of riding are you doing? XC, AM?? A good steel frame is an ON-One 456. less than 350 and great geometry. Geometry is more important than material.

    Need to know what type of riding you will be doing before anyone can recommend a frame for you.

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    True that Steel isn't that heavy, it just will not last as long as a Ti frame. Even a great steel frame will loose it's nice ride qualities after a few seasons, Ti rides like new forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbsbiker
    True that Steel isn't that heavy, it just will not last as long as a Ti frame. Even a great steel frame will loose it's nice ride qualities after a few seasons, Ti rides like new forever.

    well if you rust proof a steel frame it will last almost indefinitely. the one drawback to a ti frame is price. as the years go by and geometry and fork lengths change, sometimes it's nice not to have a ton of money tied up in a ti frame. 10 years ago no one really made an aggressive am hardtail. everything was xc orientated only. geometry around a 3"-4" front fork etc. i like the newer am hardtails out there like the on one 456 or the transition trans am. not a lot of money, good standover and designed around a 4-6" fork.

    but things will continue to evolve and steel is a good compromise

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    I got a great bike and the price was cheaper than a Moots. Check on a IF, great steel bikes and a custom fit.

    I'm saving for a Moots, I got 2 years until I turm 40.Bday gift to myself. I want a 29er FS.

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    "well if you rust proof a steel frame it will last almost indefinitely."

    The material may last forever, just the springy, nice ride will diminish over time. My ten year old YBB rides as good as my new one. A quick beadblast from the factory and you can't tell it from a fresh frame.

    "steel is a good compromise."..

    Why compromise, buy TI.

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    Baloney

    Quote Originally Posted by sbsbiker
    True that Steel isn't that heavy, it just will not last as long as a Ti frame. Even a great steel frame will loose it's nice ride qualities after a few seasons, Ti rides like new forever.
    Steel doesn't lose its ride quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo View Post
    Steel doesn't lose its ride quality.
    I agree.

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    If you are on a budget, getting a Moots may not be the best choice. There are many other good ti frames within your budget out there that ride just as good as a Moots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigoat View Post
    There are many other good ti frames within your budget out there that ride just as good as a Moots.
    prove it.

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    I would get a used Moots. I recently picked up a mid-nineties YBB, and though it uses an 80mm fork, it's a great XC rig.

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    I would get a Lynskey titanium frame. Lynskey is the family that made Litespeed and then sold the company. The non-compete agreement expired and they are making bikes again. Moots bikes are awesome but I couldn't afford one and wanted warranty protection. I bought a Lynskey Ridgeline 29 VF frame and it is awesome. Paid $1400 for the frame as last year's clearance.


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    No good

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    prove it.
    Yeah right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    I would get a Lynskey titanium frame. Lynskey is the family that made Litespeed and then sold the company. The non-compete agreement expired and they are making bikes again. Moots bikes are awesome but I couldn't afford one and wanted warranty protection. I bought a Lynskey Ridgeline 29 VF frame and it is awesome. Paid $1400 for the frame as last year's clearance.
    Yeah that is exactly what I was thinking of in terms of getting a more afforable frame. This Lynskey 29 is rougly half the price of a Moots and I bet you would be hard pressed to detect much difference in ride quality if both bikes are configured similary. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of a Moots, as I own a custom Moots road frame.

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    I'm love Moots too, they make simply amazing bikes and if you want the very best and money isn't an issue go for a Moots, but there are other options out there. Lynskey and Moots have different sizes (for example, the Lynskey hardtails come in 16.5, 18.5, and 20.5, while the Moots come in 18, 19, 20, 22 inch) so finding the right size for you is a major consideration. Cheaper won't help if it doesn't fit, and neither will super quality if it doesn't fit...

    Looking beyond hardtails, the Moots full suspension bikes are vastly superior in my opinion in terms of design, not to mention looks. So if you want full suspension go Moots or go for a different frame material that is cheaper than ti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roc865 View Post
    I wanted to get some opinions on this. Thanks
    If you could't afford a Moots hardtail frame, which I really like, which affordable but not too expensive hardtail frame would you buy?
    what is it that you really like about the Moots? If it's the titanium feel, then Motobecane and Carver make a very affordable ti bike. Slightly more is the Dean ti. If it's the build quality, buy a handmade steel frame from Cysco Cycles or ti bike from TiCycles. If it's the ride/handling/cornering/climbing/etc. or the name "Moots" you like, can't help you there, Moots is the only one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by signalMTB View Post
    what is it that you really like about the Moots? If it's the titanium feel, then Motobecane and Carver make a very affordable ti bike. Slightly more is the Dean ti. If it's the build quality, buy a handmade steel frame from Cysco Cycles or ti bike from TiCycles. If it's the ride/handling/cornering/climbing/etc. or the name "Moots" you like, can't help you there, Moots is the only one.
    This is the route I took. I don't regret it one bit.

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    Had a Lynskey, wanted something a little stiffer. Tried Carbon Niner A9C very nice, but I like TI. Looked at the Mooto-x RSL but decided to give the new Litespeed Cohutta a try. 49mm headtube, PF 30 BB, short chainstays, oversized tubing...bit of a weight penality my large is 4.7 lbs. Have not built it yet but saved money over Moots so thinking I might justify ENVE wheels. Will run it SS.

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    What specifically makes the Ti bikes ride so nice? Pardon my ignorance I've never ridden a moots, or a lite speed. But they intrigue me because of how cool the raw color looks. I'm wanting to build up a SS in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kstateskier View Post
    What specifically makes the Ti bikes ride so nice?
    Lively and springy ride quality. Carbon feels dead and muted. Steel feels lively as well but not as springy. Also the light weight adds to the snappy feeling on climbs.

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    IMO, any Moots 29er frame rides better than a Lynskey Ridgeline. The Lynskey for sure has more flex. I haven't ridden a Lynskey Pro 29, so can't compare them. Two other things I don't like about Lynskey, pop rivot water bottle bosses, and where they source their titanium. They no longer claim to source USA Ti.

    I'm also aware of the price difference. For a budget frame, Lynskey is hard to beat. They also have super short seat tube's too.

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    You have never ridden a Moots and you know a Lynskey isn't as good. That is the perfect homer statement

    My struggle with Moots is front triangle flex. The 44 should help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo View Post
    You have never ridden a Moots and you know a Lynskey isn't as good. That is the perfect homer statement

    My struggle with Moots is front triangle flex. The 44 should help.

    Huh? I assume that comment was to me. I've owned 2 Moots mountain bikes. Also demo'd the RSL. I've never ridden a Lynskey Pro29.

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    Riding a MX RSL now, and there's no flex at all. Course I weigh 160 but still, I can't see this thing flexing for anyone, it's burly.

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    I just wonder about guys who say they like the bike they own and not the other guy's bike. Price and brand are not always meaningful when it comes to ride. For example, the Salsa El Mariachi rides awesome and it a $600 frame.

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    Baum ti road frames cost $7400. Do they ride better than say IF or Moots frames which cost less? Dunno. But I can understand some people for whatever reason wanting to ride a Baum. If you like something, get it, and move on to something else when your love is gone. Cost/benefit comparisons do not apply to bikes - you always keep an eye on something you "always wanted."

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    Hey everybody out there, I have a complete 17" moots mootox rsl built to the nines on the 29er hard tail classifieds on mtbr.com. Time to move it out and get a new one. Take a look and make an offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twklei View Post

    I'm saving for a Moots, I got 2 years until I turm 40.Bday gift to myself. I want a 29er FS.
    Sooooo, it's been two years...

    Did you splurge and get yourself the MX Divide for your 40th?
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    FYI -- there's a large Rigor' frame for sale in the classifieds...
    Just sayin'.



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    Quote Originally Posted by warriorsociologist View Post
    FYI -- there's a large Rigor' frame for sale in the classifieds...
    Just sayin'.


    I own 3 Moots, one YBB and two Rigor Mootis bikes. The YBB is for MTB riding the 1st Rigor was for training, the 2nd was my race only bike. It still has the original decals from Moots.

    I need to list my ex race day only 26" wheel, 18", Rigor Mootis for sale shortly. I will also be listing the racing set of custom Chris King wheels. They are built with Revo spokes at 3x & 2x rear. The rear wheel comes in @ 808g & the front is 1x @ 631g. Racing is won on the climbs. This hard tail Ti. frame will "carve" fast single track as fast is you dare. This frame has about 50 hrs. racing. The wheel set has about 30 hrs. of racing. My racing weight was 150 to 155 lbs. ( The good old days! )
    I have known for many mos. that I can't race anymore because father time & my orthopedic surgeon tells I need to have both shoulders replaced! Some of the funnest days in my life was on top of this frame. Now @ 54 I'm having a very hard time letting go of my past!

    Someone convince me I need to let go of this frame & wheel set.

    Edit on 9-10-14 sold the Rigor Mootis frame on Craigslist to a buyer in Seattle WA and I'm outside of Phoenix AZ. The buyer said he spent hours searching Craigslist to find a Rigor Mootis.

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    I know this question/thread is a few years old, but I think many people ask these questions. "how can I get a bike for less money, which will make me feel like I am riding the more expensive one".
    I understand the question, because honestly, some of these bikes are super expensive. What I can say is that once you are truly set on something, a substitute will not scratch the itch for you.
    I have owned, and currently own cheap and expensive bikes. They all have their place, and different things I like about them. One thing I can say is there is no feeling on a bike like riding a MOOTS!
    Save up, buy used, but if you want one.....go for it.
    I have ridden a Motobecane ti and a Lynskey...both nice, but I would probably get the Moto of the two....neither are a Moots.
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    Be careful of moots they do not stand behind there products. I have a moots mx divide and have nothing but trouble. Frame has broken several times and moots will not fix the problem. They keep putting the same parts that keep breaking.

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