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    You are both right: The 6Point uses a 12mm Thru-Axle with a Quickrelease Lever.

    Cheers da_killerk

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    any clue where can i get one?

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    DT Swiss makes one. Look it up on their site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaredama
    DT Swiss makes one. Look it up on their site.
    Doesn't the RWS come in 9mm and 10mm axles but not 12mm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAPRO
    Doesn't the RWS come in 9mm and 10mm axles but not 12mm?
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    You're right. They make it in 150mm width so I assumed it came with a 12mm axle diameter. Instead it is 10mm x 150mm rear end. I wonder what frame they designed

    http://www.dtswiss.com/Products/Comp...thru-bolt.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAPRO
    The shock in the picture is just shy of 8.75 i2i which lowered the BB back to stock and slackened the angles a bit. According to my cheap angle finder, the current SA is 72.5 and HA is 67.5. Those numbers are pretty close to my 6Pack with SA of 72 and HA of 67. So it's no surprise they ride very similar.

    I have ridden a 6Point with an 8.5x2.5 shock & Lyrik up front; BB sits at 13.6, HA I think was around 67*. I really liked this slack and low version of the 6Point on downhill and corners; a bit tricky on rocky climbs (gotta watch those pedals) but very nice overall. You can actually achieve the same effective BB if you run 35% sag on an 8.75x.2.75 shock and get the benefit of longer travel.

    The Large frame is on its way to its new owner.
    i checked out the fox site looking for any info on the 8.5 i2i shocks but have not seen one with 2.75 in stroke. i went on ebay and someone is selling 8.5x2.75 and wasn't sure it was just a typo. can anyone shed some light on this. i run a long travel fork and i plan to convert the rear travel to 7.1" to compliment my fork but the BB was raised about .22 inches. with an 8.5 i2i shock i would get back the original BB height and wouldn't mind slackening the HA more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjcornelia
    i checked out the fox site looking for any info on the 8.5 i2i shocks but have not seen one with 2.75 in stroke. i went on ebay and someone is selling 8.5x2.75 and wasn't sure it was just a typo. can anyone shed some light on this. i run a long travel fork and i plan to convert the rear travel to 7.1" to compliment my fork but the BB was raised about .22 inches. with an 8.5 i2i shock i would get back the original BB height and wouldn't mind slackening the HA more.

    I have yet to see a 2.75" stroke shock with an i2i of 8.5".

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    Yea I've seen the quick release's on the new 6points. They're not DT Swiss, but what ever they are it seems really convenient, and I want one.

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    Avy will make you a 8.5 x 2.75 shock. You should make sure there isn't any frame clearance issues as a result of the shorter compressed length.

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    Rock Shox Makes a 12mm Maxle Thru axle.
    2007 Ironhorse 6.4
    2006 Ironhorse Yakuza Bakuto
    2003 Ironhorse Warrior

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    Rock Shox Makes a 12mm Maxle Thru axle.
    2007 Ironhorse 6.4
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    i've had the bike for a month or so now and before this i had a Reign x, the head angle on the X was way slacker
    and i loved it so welcome 888's to make this bike feel spot on.



    the forks are the WC ATA's so i can drop the travel back to 160 or let it all out for some serious fun

    35 lb with mud attached

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Whore
    i've had the bike for a month or so now and before this i had a Reign x, the head angle on the X was way slacker
    and i loved it so welcome 888's to make this bike feel spot on.


    the forks are the WC ATA's so i can drop the travel back to 160 or let it all out for some serious fun

    35 lb with mud attached
    That is one sexy 6point.
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    My new 6.8

    Hi all,
    Thought I'd post up some pics of my new 6 point, picked it up frame only half price in a sale .

    Bit concerend the medium might be too small with the "effective" 23" TT but I think its ok after a couple of rides and its amazing round corners - way better than my old Yeti ASX.

    Still not sure about the Air shock keep putting air in, then taking it out and never being happy; looking at putting on a 8.75 x 2.75 roco to go 7" !.






    Its awesome, tad heavy but awesome.

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    That's a sweet 6 Point, congrats! Your going to love the bike the more you use it. I suggest getting a Roco coil or an old Fox Vanilla RC, something without a platform. The bike works great with an air shock, but a coil shock completely changes the ride and brings it to a new level of fun.

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    Thanks,

    The shock feels like it has no mid stroke, either pump air in and its not supple or let air out and it bottoms out, even after tweaking the bottom out adjuster.

    Don't want to make it too heavy with a coil though, thats my only reservation.

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    There's a modification to the DHX air that works great to fix the mid-stroke issue. I did it to my shock and it virtually fixed the problem: DHX air upgraded with the RP3 air sleeve
    A coil still feels better but this will allow you to drop the air pressure on your DHX-air while still having better mid stroke support and small bump compliance. I used the plastic fill method and it worked wonders. Just pop the outer cannister off and fill it some plastic and grease and give it a whirl.

    On a related note FOX must have caught on to this because their new DHX-air shocks all have small cannisters on them now.....go figure!

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    6Point Shocks (just a little spam)

    Quote Originally Posted by spoon08
    Thanks,

    The shock feels like it has no mid stroke, either pump air in and its not supple or let air out and it bottoms out, even after tweaking the bottom out adjuster.

    Don't want to make it too heavy with a coil though, thats my only reservation.

    spoon08, I have both the Roco TST and ISX-6 air shocks for my 6 Point, both are much better suited to the 6-Point, than the DHX-A. I actually have two ISX-6 shocks, if you are interested PM me as I will be selling one of these shortly.

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    rideitall,

    Thanks for the offer, I've just picked up a roco WC to go 7" with coil plushness.

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    Yo - Nice rides, you are giving me great ideas on mods for my 07 6point6. I have the stock setup. I am really happy with everything. I am looking to maybe get rid of my air fork and shock. I have a Marzocchi Z1 FR, and a dhx 3.0. in the resale world it doesn't look like I can get much for these, so with your cost concious brains on, does anyone recommend a 6-7 inch coil setup at a price that allows me to eat food during the week? I am checking out some used 66's, any thoughts on the 55's? Also I rode a new lyric (a friend picked up the 08 6poiny6), but wahoo those are spendy, just rambiling now, but any advice that would be great on changing my setup.

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    I have a custom 6point8. I immediately replaced the dhx5-a for a roco tst with Ti coil.
    I ran it that way for a while and then I read about the volume mod on the dhx-a. I did it and the shock has been killing it. It works great, no complaints whatsoever. I just rode it today on some hard DH'ing and it performed excellently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogfish6.6
    Yo - Nice rides, you are giving me great ideas on mods for my 07 6point6. I have the stock setup. I am really happy with everything. I am looking to maybe get rid of my air fork and shock. I have a Marzocchi Z1 FR, and a dhx 3.0. in the resale world it doesn't look like I can get much for these, so with your cost concious brains on, does anyone recommend a 6-7 inch coil setup at a price that allows me to eat food during the week? I am checking out some used 66's, any thoughts on the 55's? Also I rode a new lyric (a friend picked up the 08 6poiny6), but wahoo those are spendy, just rambiling now, but any advice that would be great on changing my setup.
    Look for a used 2006 66rc2x. They have 170mm travel. I am running a 07' 6rc2x with 180mm and it is awesome. Lyric coil looks good as does a Fox 36 van.

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    Thanks for the info, I didn't realize that the 06 66 has less travel then the newer. Where is the best place to look for that volume mod on the DHX? I am assuming somewhere on this site. I will start searching, but that sounds cheaper then a new shock. Also as far as I can tell my bike pedals sweet without a propedal, dw gets it done. Another random side note, I took off the stock tires that were on there, some WTB Timberwolfs (2.5f-2.35r) and put on some Maxxis Advantage Tires that I got from a friend for free (2.4f&r). What a difference, I climb like a billygoat, and am much more nimble. Anyhow, thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogfish6.6
    Thanks for the info, I didn't realize that the 06 66 has less travel then the newer. Where is the best place to look for that volume mod on the DHX? I am assuming somewhere on this site. I will start searching, but that sounds cheaper then a new shock. Also as far as I can tell my bike pedals sweet without a propedal, dw gets it done. Another random side note, I took off the stock tires that were on there, some WTB Timberwolfs (2.5f-2.35r) and put on some Maxxis Advantage Tires that I got from a friend for free (2.4f&r). What a difference, I climb like a billygoat, and am much more nimble. Anyhow, thanks for the info.
    Regarding the tires, how do you rate them as far as descending is concerned? Are they better, equal? Those new set of tires are intended to be used in FR according to maxxis.com.

    Cheers

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    The DHX air volume modification easy to do. Scroll down to the bottom of this post: DHX air upgraded with the RP3 air sleeve

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    [QUOTE=afrmonteiro]Regarding the tires, how do you rate them as far as descending is concerned? Are they better, equal? Those new set of tires are intended to be used in FR according to maxxis.com.

    I would say these are a much better tire all the way around. They descend way faster, cornering is easier, more stable. I am not sure where you are from, but if you have ever ridden Galbraith mountain in Bellingham Washington, that is where I do the bulk of my riding. Those other tires were way to knobby. Might be better for some purpose, but not sure what that would be....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wormvine
    Look for a used 2006 66rc2x. They have 170mm travel. I am running a 07' 6rc2x with 180mm and it is awesome. Lyric coil looks good as does a Fox 36 van.
    Found a good deal on a used totem coil, should I jump on it? If I am running the stock DHX air will my geometry get messed up to much, or will it still run smooth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by afrmonteiro
    Regarding the tires, how do you rate them as far as descending is concerned? Are they better, equal? Those new set of tires are intended to be used in FR according to maxxis.com.

    I would say these are a much better tire all the way around. They descend way faster, cornering is easier, more stable. I am not sure where you are from, but if you have ever ridden Galbraith mountain in Bellingham Washington, that is where I do the bulk of my riding. Those other tires were way to knobby. Might be better for some purpose, but not sure what that would be....
    Well i definitely don't know the place you referring to cos im from Portugal :P
    Anyway, the only thing I've already noticed is that in hard terrain, like rocks and stuff like that, cornering can be dangerous. I'll keep this tire setup untill I broke some bone ahhaha
    The bike is pretty new (2 months), so I'm still recognizing the full functionality of it.

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    I agree, the cornering was hard to trust on those tires, the Maxxis are definately a great improvement. Say hello to portugal for me, have fun out there...

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    Hogfish - looking to sell your current fork?

    hogfish,

    What are you currently running up front? i have an '08 6 point 4 with the marzocchi 55R (160mm) fork that I would like to upgrade. i too ride galbraith (work in van, live in blaine) and might be interested in your current fork if you upgrade to the totem. unless you have the same fork, it will likely be an improvement over mine.

    by the way, the longer travel totem should slaken things slightly which might not improve climbing at galbraith, but a lot more fun gravity ridding at galbraith, north shore in vancouver or whistler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogfish6.6
    Found a good deal on a used totem coil, should I jump on it? If I am running the stock DHX air will my geometry get messed up to much, or will it still run smooth?

    I have heard the Totem coil is a great fork. I am running my stock dhx-a with the 180mm 66.
    I did perform the volume mod on the shock. It feels very balanced front and rear.
    Whether you would like it or not, IDK. Mine combo has been killing it. It really can handle a lot of aggressive riding.

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    I have a 06 Marzocchi z1 FR SL Doppio Air. I have not seen a lot of these around. I am only upgrading because I have tried and enjoy coil up front and like you said, looking for the extra plush on the gravity rides. The positives of this fork is there are 4 air chambers, Rebound Dampening, and compression adjustment, it is very adjustable, very light. 160mm like the 55. Also will only upgrade if I find the right deal, but I would talk to you about selling this fork if you have interest.

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    I've got an 08' 6point6 that I am running with the stock dhxair. I don't hate the rear shock. I think I have finally found some settings I am happy with. It took quite a bit of fiddling though. I have not done the air chamber mod, and it seems to be working OK.
    As far as the fork, I have both the stock lyrik soloair as well as a totem coil. I have been switching out forks depending on usage. I haven't ridden at galbraith, so I can't really comment, but if the trails you typically ride are smooth and flowy without a ton of huge rock gardens then I would opt for the lyrik. I live in Utah and for the bulk of trail riding I do the lyrik feels great. I only put the totem on if I'm not in a hurry climbing, or if I'm DHing at deer valley (lots of loose corners, big rock gardens, very technical, not so flowy). The totem doesn't wack out the geometry (probably 66.5HA, 14.2bb), but for smoother, more flow oriented trails, the 67HA, 13.8bb with the lyrik is great.
    A 2006 66r2x would be as good, if not better than the totem coil, and cheaper as well.
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    what does putting on a 8.5 x 2.5 shock reduce the travel to???

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbot5000
    what does putting on a 8.5 x 2.5 shock reduce the travel to???
    Nothing since the stock shock is 8.75" x 2.5". Using an 8.5" x 2.5" shock will lower the BB and slacken the head angle.

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    New 6 point 6

    Here she is!




    2008 Iron Horse 6 Point 6

    * Frame Size & Color: 17" URBAN GREEN SATIN
    * Shock: FOX DHX AIR 5.0, 8.75"X2.5"
    * Fork: ROCK SHOX LYRIK SOLO AIR, 160MM
    * Brakes: AVID JUICY 7 W/ 185MM ROTORS
    * Cranks: FSA GRAVITY GAP MEGA EXO
    * Front Derailleur: SHIMANO SAINT, W/ E-THIRTEEN DRS GUIDE
    * Rear Derailleur: SRAM X.9 MID CAGE
    * Shifters: SRAM X.9 TRIGGER
    * Pedals: CRANK BROS ACID
    * Stem: RACE FACE EVOLVE AM
    * Handlebar: EASTON EA70, LOW RISE
    * Seatpost: RACE FACE EVOLVE XC
    * Saddle: WTB PURE V RACE
    * Bottom Bracket: FSA MEGAEXO, 83MM
    * Cassette: SRAM PG-980, 11/34T, 9 SPEED
    * Headset: ORBIT Z, ZEROSTACK
    * Grips: ODI ROGUE LOCK-ON
    * Front Tire: MAXXIS MINION F DH 60A COMPOUND, SINGLE PLY, 2.5"
    * Front Rim: DT/SWISS E540, 32H
    * Front Hub/Skewer: ALLOY SEALED BEARING, 110MM X 20MM THRU AXLE, 32H
    * Rear Tire: MAXXIS MINION F DH 60A COMPOUND, SINGLE PLY, 2.35"
    * Rear Rim: DT/SWISS E540, 32H
    * Rear Hub/Skewer ALLOY SEALED BEARING, 150MM X 12MM THRU AXLE, 32H
    * Weight 36.3LBS

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    super nice colour
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    [QUOTE=SJan]Here she is!




    Nice ...... i just ordered the same bike.

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    my dad is thinking about ordering one of those soon... after he sells his boat..that way we can go ride with me.

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    hi guys, got a quick question, is there any draw backs to the D-W link ? cause like vpp, i heard it has a soggy french fries back. and the single pivot has brake jacks and all. i would love to know bout the DW linkages pros and cons. thanks.

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    The only draw back is that its a dying breed, and will soon be extinct (at least for IH).
    Seriously, though, no drawbacks, the DW link is one of the best. Go for it.

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    Yes DW link is awesome. I see no drawbacks as well

    Buy an IH cos you won't regret the money!

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    Can someone tell me what is the size of the headset of 2007 6point? I'm a lil bit n00b and I have to be sure if it is 1 1/5 or 1 1/8.

    thanks

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    It is 1 1/8 integrated, it is NOT 1.5.

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    Can anyone tell me what seat post size the 6point 6 has? think i read in the website that it's 30.0mm ... not sure if its a typo and is supposed to be 30.9mm?

    Also, I am 5'7" and currently own a small Chumba XCL (22.5 TT length) with a straight seatpost and 90mm stem.... What 6point6 size should I get? and do I use a layback seatpost with it?

    Thank you.

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    nothing witty here...

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    DarKmaN, it is 30.0



    I added a Gravity dropper seatpost and I love it. I went with the turbo model, down 4" or 1". Also have a set of Crank Brother's Mallets from the LBS now because the original Crank Brothers Acid "OEM" had the bearings falling apart after about 10-15 rides. Their customer service guy was quick to offer an upgrade to the Acid series that actually have replaceable cartridge bearings. The new acids came in the other day, but I'll keep those as a spare.

    The rear hub seams to grab every once in a while anyone have that problem?

    Other than that the bike has been great, love the Lyric fork, love the DHX, the breaks are a little squeaky but it doesn't really bother me, I like sounding like a garbage truck.


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    The seatpost dia is 30.0mm. I just replaced mine.

    Regarding frame size, I'd go with the M. TT length is 22" w/o layback post. If you decide you want a layback post, you might be able to get by with the S. You can always shorten the stem on the M to make it feel tighter... I am 5'11" and I run the L frame with a 50mm DH stem. Shorter bikes are easier the through around, longer bikes a little easier to pedal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfcipriani
    The seatpost dia is 30.0mm. I just replaced mine.

    Regarding frame size, I'd go with the M. TT length is 22" w/o layback post. If you decide you want a layback post, you might be able to get by with the S. You can always shorten the stem on the M to make it feel tighter... I am 5'11" and I run the L frame with a 50mm DH stem. Shorter bikes are easier the through around, longer bikes a little easier to pedal.

    Thanks man.. it's really odd coz the guys at IH said it's a 30.0mm.. Though a lot of users say it's 30.9mm...

    Yes, I ordered the medium (without thinking). I run a 70mm stem and a straight post on my Chumba with a 22.5 TT so I figured the medium is the best option. Kinda scared about the stand over though coz IH doesn't publish them.. Figure us Asians have shorter legs. Guess i'll find out when the frame arrives.

    Thanks.

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    All of you 6 Point 6 owners. I'm going to order one, however I'm not sure about sizing. If anyone can chime in with some advice i'd greatly appreciate it. I'm around 5'11" but i like shorter bikes. I was set on the 17" but it looks a bit small. What do you guys think????

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    I am 5'10" and I float around 195-200 lb. I have a 17" 6.6. My Trek hardtail is an 18", and switching to the IH it at first seemed a bit small, but I quickly adapted to it. For myself I'm sure a larger IH frame would feel way to big.

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    Just want to share my 6 Point. An official IH distributor finally opened here in my country and they bought just 2 6Point6's so I couldn't pass up the chance of owning one before it was too late.

    Tried her out for the first time today and so far so good!

    At the start of her first ride:




    Somewhere in the middle of the ride:


    Can't accurately give a review yet but some of the things I noticed right away (1) It actually climbs very well (descends even better!), (2) I need a longer handle bar because it gets twitchy upfront when climbing probably due to the fork, (3) the design is a mud magnet (referring to the pivots near the BB). All in all though it's a super frame! ... This coming from a single pivot and horst link background.

    Specs:
    08 6point6 (medium) with the Fox DHX 5 air
    RS Lyrik Solo Air
    Syncros DS 28 rims
    Atomlab Pimp front hub and IH OEM rear (so hard to find a 150mm rear hub over here)
    Wheelsmith DB 14 spokes and nipples
    Kenda Nevagal 2.1 DTC rear and Panaracer Rampage 2.35 front (bad combination i found out)
    FSA Gravity GAP cranks (no choice need the 83mm BB)
    e thirteen DRS guide
    Sram PG990 spider cassette
    Sram hollowpin chain
    X9 RD and shifters
    Saint FD
    Jagwire cables
    Atomlab GI pedals
    Race face Evolve XC seatpost (need the 30mm)
    Velo Saddle
    OEM Cane creek headset
    Syncros AM stem (70mm)
    Syncros Gain Handle bar (680mm)
    Oury lock on grips
    09 Avid Elixir CR Carbon brakes
    Alligator windcutter rotors (7inch F&B)


    Weight... Probably around 34 pounds..lol


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    is that a porsche?
    RIP Adam Yauch

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    Quote Originally Posted by saturnine
    is that a porsche?
    Is he leaning his bike against a cayenne?

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    Here's mine.







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    Quote Originally Posted by wormvine
    Is he leaning his bike against a cayenne?
    that's straight up ballin'.

    couldn't find a wall to lean my bike up against, so the porsche will have to do.
    RIP Adam Yauch

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    Quote Originally Posted by saturnine
    that's straight up ballin'.

    couldn't find a wall to lean my bike up against, so the porsche will have to do.
    He should have used a diamond tennis bracelet to protect the car...

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    I hate being between sizes, I am a not quite 6 foot. Just a shade under, and I don't know which size I would order for a 6 point 6. 17'' or 19". Any suggestions? I do have a longer torso but still am not a big fan of long TT. But 23 inches of top tupe on the 17 inch seems a wee small.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NMPhi767
    I hate being between sizes, I am a not quite 6 foot. Just a shade under, and I don't know which size I would order for a 6 point 6. 17'' or 19". Any suggestions? I do have a longer torso but still am not a big fan of long TT. But 23 inches of top tupe on the 17 inch seems a wee small.
    Get a large. The eff top tube length of a large is actually 23". For some reason IH used a 25mm layback post for their measurements. I am 5' 8" and ride a large. I use a 50mm stem. The large is really a standard medium IMO.
    Also, The medium might not have enough seattube length for someone about 6'.

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    I second what Wormvine says. I'm a right at 6 ft and a medium would feel tiny to me. The large feels like a medium with a regular seat post.

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    hey, whats the average weight of a 6point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmhills
    hey, whats the average weight of a 6point?
    About 35 pounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmhills
    hey, whats the average weight of a 6point?
    A medium frame with the shock weighs about 8lbs when i weighed mine.

    Built, mine is around 35-36... doesn't feel like a 36 pounder though when climbing compared to my single pivot 36 pounder..hehehe
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    thats not too bad. i am looking for a new capable "all mountain" ride with around 6" of suspension. im 6'3" and currently ride a 19.5" framed trek liquid. i ride in wva so i deal with rocks, roots and seriously deep mud on a regular basis. add that to them being technical trails with lots of ups and downs, i am looking at a 6 point. 35 is a tad bit heavy but is doable. what do you all think? are there any lighter builds out there?

    i also have an old ih ars 7.0 race hardtail that i used to ride but now is my commuter. i like the builds and value of the ih

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmhills
    thats not too bad. i am looking for a new capable "all mountain" ride with around 6" of suspension. im 6'3" and currently ride a 19.5" framed trek liquid. i ride in wva so i deal with rocks, roots and seriously deep mud on a regular basis. add that to them being technical trails with lots of ups and downs, i am looking at a 6 point. 35 is a tad bit heavy but is doable. what do you all think? are there any lighter builds out there?

    i also have an old ih ars 7.0 race hardtail that i used to ride but now is my commuter. i like the builds and value of the ih

    We basically ride the same kind of trails based on your description (with a lot of technical ups - long ones):

    Here's my current build:

    08 6point6 (medium) with the Fox DHX 5 air
    RS Lyrik Solo Air
    Syncros DS 28 rims
    Atomlab Pimp front hub and IH OEM rear (so hard to find a 150mm rear hub over here)
    Wheelsmith DB 14 spokes and nipples
    WTB Timberwolf 2.3 folding front and Panaracer Rampage 2.35 folding rear
    FSA Gravity GAP cranks (no choice need the 83mm BB)
    e thirteen DRS guide
    Sram PG990 spider cassette
    Sram hollowpin chain
    X9 RD and shifters
    Saint FD
    Jagwire cables
    Atomlab GI pedals
    Race face Evolve XC seatpost (need the 30mm)
    Velo Saddle
    OEM Cane creek headset
    Syncros AM stem (70mm)
    Syncros Gain Handle bar (680mm)
    Oury lock on grips
    09 Avid Elixir CR Carbon brakes
    Alligator windcutter rotors (7inch F&B)


    Weight... Probably around 34-35 pounds..lol


    U can save weight best (weight to $$ ratio) by changing probably the FF:
    1) Cranks from stock GAP's to Gravity Lights (1235gms vs 950gms) - that's more than half a pound there!
    2) Tires - Timberwolf's are heavy (900 grams-ish for the 2.3) compared to nevagals (700+gms) I guess...or ewen schwalbe... prolly 200+grms lighter per tire
    3) Hubs are heavy - may opt to go for Hope's (price is heavy but weight is okay..lol)
    3) e13 DRS to something like Gamut -- A guide is a must with this frame because it's really a chain sucker..lol
    4) Pedals - mine are the lowest grade atomlabs - GI (625gms) (change to aircorp ((520gms)? or something even lighter)
    5) Stem to a thomson (though i broke mine on the main body)
    6) Fork... Kinda light already at less than 5lbs..but i guess u can change to something lighter...

    U can probably shave at least 2 pounds on the above alone...

    All told I don't find the need to go any lighter because the bike already climbs like a trail bike..or at least the difference is not too big (coming from a Chumba XCL)...

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    thats not too far off of what my liquid 20 weighs now. im 6'3" and about 165, what size frame should i get? i am currently riding a 19.5" trek and would like to go up a size for pedaling efficiency. is there a 21" 6 point?

    ninja edit: are there chain guide tabs already on the frame or would i have to run a bb style?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmhills
    thats not too far off of what my liquid 20 weighs now. im 6'3" and about 165, what size frame should i get? i am currently riding a 19.5" trek and would like to go up a size for pedaling efficiency. is there a 21" 6 point?

    ninja edit: are there chain guide tabs already on the frame or would i have to run a bb style?

    You can directly attach the chain guide to the frame.

    There isn't a size 21 but the 19 has a minimum rider height reco of 6"

    GEOMETRY
    SIZE HA SA Eff TT
    actual Eff TT w/
    25mm layback
    post HT Length CS WB BB Min Max
    15" 67.5 73.5 21" 22" 4.5" 17.1" 42.75" 13.78" 5'6"
    17" 67.5 73.5 22" 23" 5.1" 17.1" 43.75" 13.78" 5'7" 5'11"
    19" 67.5 73.5 23" 24" 5.5" 17.1" 44.75" 13.78" 6'0"

    http://www.ironhorsebikes.com/bikes/6point/6point6.php#

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmhills
    thats not too far off of what my liquid 20 weighs now. im 6'3" and about 165, what size frame should i get? i am currently riding a 19.5" trek and would like to go up a size for pedaling efficiency. is there a 21" 6 point?

    ninja edit: are there chain guide tabs already on the frame or would i have to run a bb style?
    man have i got one for you!

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    nice. so im looking at the RS site and they have both the 6.4 and the 6.6 for sale. there are no frame differences between the two then? im wondering which is the better value? i would eventually do all the normal upgrading (forks, cranks, etc...) to reduce the weight a tad but wonder which is the better starting point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmhills
    nice. so im looking at the RS site and they have both the 6.4 and the 6.6 for sale. there are no frame differences between the two then? im wondering which is the better value? i would eventually do all the normal upgrading (forks, cranks, etc...) to reduce the weight a tad but wonder which is the better starting point.
    Both FRAMES are the same except for:
    1) color
    2) rear shock (6point4 has a DHX 3 while the 6point6 has a dhx 5)

    I have riding buddies using 6point4's. The reason why they chose it over the 6point6 is because the DW system already has its own platform so no real need for propedal
    adjustments and bottom out resistance adjuster...both of which can be found on the DHX5.

    Honestly, after setting the shock settings after building the bike i have yet to use propedal or the bottom out adjuster (i just set it to the most linear setting..least resistance)...I have found that so far the suspension has done everything required for me not to fiddle with the additional rear shock settings in the DHX5 (though of course they are "nice haves")

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    interesting, so there is no real advantage to spending the extra dough to get 6.6 over the 6.4. there is no weight advantage and although it might take a little while, the fork and such will be upgraded anyway. hmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmhills
    interesting, so there is no real advantage to spending the extra dough to get 6.6 over the 6.4. there is no weight advantage and although it might take a little while, the fork and such will be upgraded anyway. hmmm
    There is not much difference as far as the frame goes. But the builds obviously are different and the 6.6 is a better intitial value. So if you plan to upgrade everything, then 6point4. If you like the 6.6 parts and would keep them instead of upgrading then go with the 6.6.

    The Lyric Solo air is a excellent fork. The dhx5-a will sell better than a 3.0.
    X9 works well. Juicy 7's are top notch.

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    As for the "no platform/propedal needed" comment... I guess that depends on the rider. I bought mine for the sole purpose of having a light FR/DJ bike. You'd be insane to go into a set of doubles with no platform. And coming from several VPP bikes, the DW link does bob when climbing (in comparison - a VPP bike climbs better; but a DW descends better, especially over braking bumps). Having said that tho the DHX-A (3.0 OR 5.0) is a POS with known mid-stroke mush issues. Even PUSH Industries won't work with them because the whole design is beyond help and that is FACT! I use an X-Fusion with 4 levels of platform from full plush to locked out on my 6 point. It was owned by one of the ex IH factory team riders so I think they know what they're doing, LOL!

    Have FUN!

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    Just mount the bike and go see where it takes you...lol




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    Look at all you fools on your 6points! Frickin' AWESOME!
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    6 Point Chrome

    Here are some shots of 6 Point after I stripped and polished it a couple of weekends ago. I'm going to take better pictures of it soon. It looks MUCH better in person. The links were painted with automotive paint and clear coated.
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    It looks amazing!

    I am planning on doing the same to my new 6point!
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    Yeah that looks sick... The paint on my 6.4 kinda sucks.... It would look much better like that... How did you do it?

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    WTF Grant? You got a 6point? Welcome to the world of AM/light Freeride. :-)

    On a side note, I think I need to anodize my upper rocker link on my 7point... if all my deals fall through.
    Meh.

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    Thanks for the compliments!

    I used Jasco and aerosol aircraft paint remover to loosen the paint. To scrap the paint off at first I used a plastic wire brush. The plastic wire brush is key to getting the paint out of the nooks and cranny's, especially near the BB. I don't recommend using a steel wire brush, it will scratch the aluminum finish. It took about 4 coatings of Jasco to get the paint mostly off. To get the remanding paint off I used some Scotch Brite pads, then steel wool and silver polish to shine it up. The links were painted with auto spray paint from Autozone, 3 coats of paint and 3 coats of clear coat did the trick. I wouldn't want to do it again but I'm happy with the outcome. If you do decided to to this, invest in some of the chemical proof rubber gloves that Autozone sells and wear goggles. Paint stripper's a ***** if it contacts your skin!

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    whre are the photos I only see comments and discussions!

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    I just went through all the 6point pages...
    Mine will hopefully join soon...
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    Hurry up!

    Stop eating hot apple pies!
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    Just picked up a 5th Element Air for 30 bucks (8.75x2.5) for those epic AM days.

    Level of stoke-age is rising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtDiggler
    Thanks for the compliments!

    I used Jasco and aerosol aircraft paint remover to loosen the paint. To scrap the paint off at first I used a plastic wire brush. The plastic wire brush is key to getting the paint out of the nooks and cranny's, especially near the BB. I don't recommend using a steel wire brush, it will scratch the aluminum finish. It took about 4 coatings of Jasco to get the paint mostly off. To get the remanding paint off I used some Scotch Brite pads, then steel wool and silver polish to shine it up. The links were painted with auto spray paint from Autozone, 3 coats of paint and 3 coats of clear coat did the trick. I wouldn't want to do it again but I'm happy with the outcome. If you do decided to to this, invest in some of the chemical proof rubber gloves that Autozone sells and wear goggles. Paint stripper's a ***** if it contacts your skin!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cesalec
    whre are the photos I only see comments and discussions!
    Okay heres one from my very first race.. was so excited i forgot to wear a proper shirt/jersey...hahaha




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    you mean vpp tuned shock and dw linkage work work right
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    for that stripped frame try "Mothers Mag Polish" it will come out to a mirror like finish.

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    Done!

    Already posted up on the AM forum, sorry in advance for the double postings...
    It sits at a pleasant 35-36lbs (couldnt tell by the bathroom scale)

    <a href="http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/132132/?action=view&current=100_2201.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/132132/100_2201.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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    YOU! Get rid of the road cassette.

    it's an AM/LFR bike... not a DH slugger, or a 16lb. Pinarello.

    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnickols
    for that stripped frame try "Mothers Mag Polish" it will come out to a mirror like finish.
    by hand or with a buffer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettym1k3
    YOU! Get rid of the road cassette.

    it's an AM/LFR bike... not a DH slugger, or a 16lb. Pinarello.

    32 Up front 11-27 in the back
    Its about the same as a 34 to 12-32

    The road cassette makes me look PINNER and or beastly.
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    Hahaha... or makes you look like you have a mouth full of hot apple pies.

    No riding for me tomorrow. Weather got nasty and Santa Cruz was an absolutely mess today. Blah.
    Meh.

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    i have a 12-28 'road' cassette on my evil but it's a dh cassette... and i'm gonna put a 36t up front just for fun
    RIP Adam Yauch

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    been rockn the 11-26 sram road 970 on the mkiii! 34t single in front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NMPhi767
    Random question...What size is your 6 point?

    It's a large size.

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    Short Shocked

    Well I was lucky enough to have a friend that has more than one shock. Which happened to be a 8.5x2.5 (while I wait for new bushings for the Roco)

    Rode it around the neighborhood tonight. 1st impression? DHX Air blows dznuts. No bueno...
    It took me a good 45mins to get the PSI sorted out so it wouldnt bottom out harshly.

    But the Geo is DAILED. BB is 13 and a 1/6th with the fork extended.
    With the fork sucked down its at 12 and 4/5ths

    Mini DH rig!
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    I'm lookin to do that to my 07' 6point, does the wotan have a longer A2C than a lyrik coil? what sort of geometery (HA/BB) can I achive with an Externalizer and a 8.5x 2.5 shock and the lyrik
    Thanks

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    Your looking at a fairly slack machine with that setup. I use the externalizer with a Marzocchi 55 at it feels just right. With the shorter shock it's going to be similar to a BottleRocket, low and slack. If your going this way you might want to use a coil shock. The DHX air shock blows through the travel really quick (unless you modify it with a small can) you will be catching your pedals on everything.

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