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    Oval saddle rails found on our Pro Carbon saddles require an aftermarket side clamp from the seatpost manufacturer that fits oval rails. Top/Bottom seat post clamps are good to go as they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    Oval saddle rails found on our Pro Carbon saddles require an aftermarket side clamp from the seatpost manufacturer that fits oval rails. Top/Bottom seat post clamps are good to go as they are.
    I see now. Oval is 7x10mm, whereas round is just 7mm.
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    Hi Jeff.
    Will you be able to advise.
    My seat bones are 123mm center to center (so bones have like 145 in total)
    I ride AM/EN but trips are rather 'on seat' and all day 50-70km.
    I went to online wizard which advised SME3 M. As far as i know it's 143mm. Isn't that to narrow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Placek View Post
    Hi Jeff.
    Will you be able to advise.
    My seat bones are 123mm center to center (so bones have like 145 in total)
    I ride AM/EN but trips are rather 'on seat' and all day 50-70km.
    I went to online wizard which advised SME3 M. As far as i know it's 143mm. Isn't that to narrow?
    If your sitbones measure 12.3cm (123mm) C-to-C, this puts you on the size Medium for all the Ergon saddle models. Medium size is 11-13cm.

    For your specific riding, I would suggest the SMA3 over the SME3. While both use the exact same shell and shape, the SMA3 is more comfort oriented, while the SME3 is more race bred.

    The SMA3 is new for 2016 and is designed as an comfort all-mountain saddle. Our online saddle sizing app will not show this saddle, as the website and app are being updated for 2016 as I type this. The SMA3 is available now and more info can be found on page 16 here: http://my.ergonbike.com/Ergon_2016_Int_WEB.pdf

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    Ok that's supportive.
    Still the catalogue just slightly distinguish SME from SMA..
    Taking in account what You said it seems like SMA is more for those riding than flying?

    I live in PL but after making some research the SME3 Pro is not available.... worry to think what about 2016 new models...
    Is there a chance ro order them in EU or US already?

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    Would the order of softest to hardest saddle be SMC3, SMA3, SME3?

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    @Placek

    Correct.

    The SMA3 is an all-day all-mountain/enduro saddle. Those doing longer backcountry rides on larger travel bikes will favor this saddle

    The SME3 is more enduro race bred and more those that like a firm saddle.

    Personally, I use the SMA3 for backcountry rides and longer day rides in Moab. I use the SME3 for lift days and the occasional enduo event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hojong View Post
    Would the order of softest to hardest saddle be SMC3, SMA3, SME3?
    In this order...
    SMC3
    SMA3
    SME3

    The SMC3 and SMA3 will be nearly identical in the softness department. The SME3 will be the firmest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    @Placek

    Correct.

    The SMA3 is an all-day all-mountain/enduro saddle. Those doing longer backcountry rides on larger travel bikes will favor this saddle

    The SME3 is more enduro race bred and more those that like a firm saddle.

    Personally, I use the SMA3 for backcountry rides and longer day rides in Moab. I use the SME3 for lift days and the occasional enduo event.

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    SMA3 ordered.
    will share my thoughts after first rides.

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    Just installe an SME3 today and had a ride. Of the last 3 saddles Ive had its by far the most comfortable and "out of the way". Last saddles I had were a WTB Volt (not good for me) and a Spec. Phenom (better but not great for me)

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    Does anybody in the 200lb range find the SMC3 too mushy. Trying to decide between the Race and Comfort version and I need the large width. I generally prefer firmer saddles but don't want to take a beating either. Currently on a specialized henge comp that I think has too much swale and is a bit soft. Riding is 3-5 hour trail riding varied to rough terrain. Lots of ups and downs and small jumps.
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    I weigh about 250-260 and I just put the SMC3-L comp on my bike. I have only had a couple of rides on it so far. It seems perfect to me. It reminds me of my beloved Koobi Silver saddle which died about a year ago. Since then I have been riding a Madison Flux which is similar to a Charge spoon. It was okay but on longer rides I was getting a sharp pain where my legs meet my body inside my crotch. With the Ergon I haven't had this problem as I ride sitting on my sit bones like my Koobi did.
    I tried a Specialized Henge 155 and my thighes would rub on the sides of the saddle. This is not a problem with the Ergon.
    To answer you question though it does not feel squishy at all to me.
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    Thanks for the feedback Huckleberry. I think I'll give one a try here soon.


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    ERGON - I am involved in long rides, sometimes 12-24h, sometimes up to 7 days. Mainly roads and gravel roads. I practice for BB Tour (1050km race). I found that saddles that work for 100km, does not work for 300 km.
    From you description it looks I should aim at Ergon SMC saddle. But maybe for such long rides more firm saddle would work better ?
    All doing more than 16h rides on a bike welcome to commend ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorwald View Post
    ERGON - I am involved in long rides, sometimes 12-24h, sometimes up to 7 days. Mainly roads and gravel roads. I practice for BB Tour (1050km race). I found that saddles that work for 100km, does not work for 300 km.
    From you description it looks I should aim at Ergon SMC saddle. But maybe for such long rides more firm saddle would work better ? All doing more than 16h rides on a bike welcome to commend ?
    You are on the right track. I would suggest the SMC3 for your riding style.

    The SMC3 is a good mixture of comfort and firmness. Personally, this is the saddle I have on my road bike for longer mileage days.

    If you want firmer foam than the SMC3, then look at the SMR3

    Softer? Look at the SCM4

    The SMR3, SMC3, and SMC4 all use the same shell shape and rail technology. Only differences are the foam thicknesses and the inclusion of gel or not.

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    So I'm in the market for a saddle and I've long been interested in Ergon. I think the SMA3 is probably the right choice for me, but I don't know what size. My sit bones measure 13cm . . . right on the cusp of medium and large. Thoughts?
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    You'd be a Medium, as we do not offer the SMA3 or SME3 in size L. These 2 saddle models only come in S and M.

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    The SMA3 only comes in medium and small.

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    I see that Ergon beat me to posting.

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    Hello Jeff,

    Hope you are still checking this thread.

    First off, a little bit of backround about me and my riding. I consider myself a "core" rider you described earlier, riding a 100mm suspension bike from my house to the local trailhead and doing a few laps there (mix of street and trail for a total of 2-2.5 hours) about 3-4 times a week, mostly XC type stuff. Do an occasional XC race here and there so I do like my equipment to be efficient. Being, 125lbs, I've found that saddles that are too firm do not work well at all for me as I barely feel the padding on my bony butt.

    So, is there really much difference between the SMC3 comp and SMC4 comp gel and is it just as efficient feeling? I'm looking for a bit more sit bone comfort and soft tissue relief without losing the efficient feel of the SMC3. BTW, I believe my position is correct for me and have employed many of the tips you mentioned about not positioning the saddle too far back or too high and having the mid part of the saddle about a degree nose down. Thanks in advance for any input!

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    The SMC3 sounds like the best option for you. The SMC4 is definitely more comfort oriented with gel, softer deeper foam, and a much deeper relief channel. Overall, the SMC4 is the heavier of the 3 mtb saddles.

    Your sitbone width will also dictate which saddle you can ride....
    SMR3: S, M, L
    SMC3: S, M, L
    SMC4: M, L
    If you match to a size S, the SMC4 is out as an option.

    The SMC3 is our balance of sport and comfort. Not too soft, not too firm.

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    Thanks very much for the input Jeff. I'll keep my SMC3 for now and perhaps look into the SMC4 some time in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    The SMC3 sounds like the best option for you. The SMC4 is definitely more comfort oriented with gel, softer deeper foam, and a much deeper relief channel. Overall, the SMC4 is the heavier of the 3 mtb saddles.

    Your sitbone width will also dictate which saddle you can ride....
    SMR3: S, M, L
    SMC3: S, M, L
    SMC4: M, L
    If you match to a size S, the SMC4 is out as an option.

    The SMC3 is our balance of sport and comfort. Not too soft, not too firm.
    Is Ergon steering the SMC4 more towards hybrid and comfort-style bikes and bike riders. I'm imagining the riders who like an upright and casual ride on plush saddles?

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    Try and find a shop that lets you demo a saddle. as the saying goes there is an ass for every seat.... Mine didnt like the ergon sm3 i purchased. due to the edges of the sale and its flat profile. I like more cushion and went with the chromag trail master dt. I LOVE IT !

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    Quote Originally Posted by JNKER View Post
    Is Ergon steering the SMC4 more towards hybrid and comfort-style bikes and bike riders.
    Yes, the SMC4 is more aimed at the comfort rider; whether that be commuting, recreational, or casual mtb. We have a more comfort / fitness saddle coming in 2017 that will be aimed at the every day cyclist; commuter, rec path rider, etc.

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    I Just installed a medium SME3 and noticed there's a lot of play where the rails enter the rear portion of the frame. I feel the play with my fingers when i wiggle/flex the rear of the saddle. Is this normal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mobilenemo View Post
    I Just installed a medium SME3 and noticed there's a lot of play where the rails enter the rear portion of the frame. I feel the play with my fingers when i wiggle/flex the rear of the saddle. Is this normal?
    I installed an SME3-S a few weeks ago. No play.

    It's really comfy though. I forgot it's there after the first two days or so when it needed some breaking in.
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    Just wanted to say how much i like the Ergon saddles. I have an SMR3 on my fat bike and an SR3 on my road bike. Great, great saddles!

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    No, this is not normal. Saddle should be 100% solid on the rails. Please return the saddle to your local Ergon retailer which the saddle was purchased from.

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    Just to be clear, the play occurs where the rail enters the saddle's frame/shell.

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    I circled the area in red where the play occurs.

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    I'm considering a change to an Ergon saddle, but am unsure which model. A little about me..

    I mainly ride trail in the Midwest. Lots of up & down, but nothing extended. Lots of rocks & roots. I gravitate toward longer rides & races (up to 12hrs), and ride a short travel (100-120mm) full suspension XC bike. I weigh 195lb.

    I'm thinking SMR3 or SMC3, but looking for an educated opinion.

    Thanks!

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    Both the SMR3 and SMC3 use the exact same shell shape. The difference falls within the foam and foam shape.

    The SMR3 is bred as a xc and marathon race saddle, so the foam is thinner and firmer. The center relief channel is also not very deep.

    The SMC3 is a more "every day" mtb saddle. Versus the SMR3, the foam is a tad thicker and softer. The center relief channel also gets deeper.

    If you like firm and flat saddles, go SMR3. If you are seeking more comfort or a generally softer performance saddle, go SMC3.

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    I'm considering a new saddle. Currently I'm on a WTB Volt size L. What I don't like about it is its huge size in the back, making it difficult to get around (sides and back) when my seat's dropped. It also feels like WTB put most of the cushioning on the back, but my pressure points are on the front of the saddle flares (basically, right where graphics on Ergon's site show for MTB), so once I'm ascending for more than like 30 min, my butt starts to go numb. I think it got oversized when I was fitted by a shop. I'm 5'10", 155 lbs, and wear a size medium in basically everything. I've measured my sit bones a few times, I think they're somewhere around 13cm (have measured as high as 14, but may have done it wrong). The riding I do is something around AM/enduro (rocky/rooty descents or flow trails, with fire road climbs).

    I'm thinking of an SMA3, size medium. Sound right?

    PS: recently switched from ODI grips to GE1s. I really like how they fit in my hand, and are rubber at the ends of the bar where the butt of my hand gets hammered in descents. My only complaint is that there is a really minute amount of rotational flex at the end compared to lock-ons, but I can live with that for the extra rubber.

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    Well, I have given the Ergon SME3 a chance and about 100 miles later, and it just doesn't work for me . . . its a medium SME3 Pro with blue accents down the sides. Never crashed and I always stood up to fart. PM me with an offer if interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Well, I have given the Ergon SME3 a chance and about 100 miles later, and it just doesn't work for me . . . its a medium SME3 Pro with blue accents down the sides. Never crashed and I always stood up to fart. PM me with an offer if interested.
    I'm in the same boat with my SMR3... I really wanted to like it... Actually, the sit bones seat nicely, but the other soft tissue areas are no bueno... if I dropped 50 lbs, the saddle would be just right... All bone and no soft tissue at that point...

    Been using 66Sick (SQLab) saddles for a year now and really like how the tender bits levitate... It's a little tough to setup the angle, but lots of adjustments finally got me a sweet spot...

    But yah, if you've got a bony rear, the Ergon saddles will probably feel better...

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