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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoomy29er View Post
    Take my review with a grain of salt, since I'm a girl and have thus far only tried the saddle on my road bike (because I've been looking for a REALLY T-shaped saddle with a relief dent, rather than a cut-out. I've had the best luck with the Bontrager InForm Affinity saddle, but it's not as T-shaped as it could be and my gracilis muscles always end up feeling pretty beat-up by the 50 mile mark).

    I have the size large base model saddle. It was good for a short ride, but on a longer ride I found it to not be as comfortable. It has a couple of ridges that run down the length of the saddle and by the end of a 30 miler I was REALLY feeling those ridges digging into my butt sort of midway between my sit-bones and my butt crack. The nose is a hair wide for road riding, as well.

    I think it could be a good saddle for mountain biking or cyclocross, though (and I plan to put it on my CX bikes for Fall races), since my hinder isn't actually on the saddle nearly as much. I really suspect the suspension built into the saddle would be great on rough singletrack and roots (I LOVED it on bumps and crap on our poorly-maintaned MI roads). I'll be interested to see if Ergon does eventually come out with a road-specific version of the saddle and how it might differ. With a few changes to the design (narrower nose, lose the ridges, keep the suspension feature) it would be perfect as a road saddle. It's as firm as the firmest road saddles I've used, which I like.
    Keep in mind the SM3 is a male and mtb specific saddle. Issues you have mentioned were also mentioned by our female Topeak-Ergon athletes.

    Road saddle on the way. It will be shown at Eurobike and Interbike

    Personally, as a rider/racer, I wear large sized bibs and have a 33 inch waist. I weigh in at 170 lbs. I ride the SM3-Small on the mtb and the SM3-L on the road bike.

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    I'll be interested in the road saddle, for certain. You guys are definitely on the right track with this, I think.

    As for size, there is no way the S would fit me. My sit bones are 130mm apart, so I'd be falling off one side or the other on the S. Generally saddles 145-150mm wide work well for me.
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    looking for the Ergon Pro Carbon Monolink... Anyone in the UK wanna send me one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    Keep in mind the SM3 is a male and mtb specific saddle. Issues you have mentioned were also mentioned by our female Topeak-Ergon athletes.

    Road saddle on the way. It will be shown at Eurobike and Interbike

    Personally, as a rider/racer, I wear large sized bibs and have a 33 inch waist. I weigh in at 170 lbs. I ride the SM3-Small on the mtb and the SM3-L on the road bike.

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    Im 5'9 160 pounds, 34 inch waist...I got a small pro carbon sm3 and this thing is torture. Any chance the large would work better? All I ride is single track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrange View Post
    Im 5'9 160 pounds, 34 inch waist...I got a small pro carbon sm3 and this thing is torture. Any chance the large would work better? All I ride is single track.
    What specifically is wrong?

    I'm 6', 150#, 32" waist, but like wide saddles. The Large works well for me...but is a bit wide at times on the mountain bike, for when you need to get behind the saddle quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawfarm View Post
    What specifically is wrong?

    I'm 6', 150#, 32" waist, but like wide saddles. The Large works well for me...but is a bit wide at times on the mountain bike, for when you need to get behind the saddle quickly.
    it is by far the most uncomfortable bike seat I have ever ridden....I love Ergon products and could not wait to get a hold of this seat. By the end of just a short ride I can't wait to get off the seat. I have read all these great reviews about how comfortable this seat is and just want to know what am I doing wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrange View Post
    it is by far the most uncomfortable bike seat I have ever ridden....I love Ergon products and could not wait to get a hold of this seat. By the end of just a short ride I can't wait to get off the seat. I have read all these great reviews about how comfortable this seat is and just want to know what am I doing wrong?
    Again--it is hard to know how to help unless you can explain what is sore, where it hurts, when, after how long, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrange View Post
    it is by far the most uncomfortable bike seat I have ever ridden....I love Ergon products and could not wait to get a hold of this seat. By the end of just a short ride I can't wait to get off the seat. I have read all these great reviews about how comfortable this seat is and just want to know what am I doing wrong?
    I had the exact same experience. It is the only saddle that made me not want continue my ride. I prefer wide, flat saddles, and that hump on the sm3 was torture.

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    My sit bones feel bruised, just wondering if the small is too narrow. might be on the inside of my sit bones.

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    I ordered a pro carbon and I'm wondering if the carbon rail would be fine with my bontrager saddle bag? Everything in the bag weighs 1.48 lbs.

    The saddle will be at my door three days from now and I'm worried that so far the saddle doesn't have good reviews.

    To those who already bought and tried the saddle and was not satisfied of the outcome. Are you guys going to resell the item?

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    As an owner of three various brand saddles that sit in a drawer unused, I will no longer buy one until I have had a chance to demo it. I went through my LBS and checked out a couple of saddles a year ago and put over 50 miles on each before settling on a Specialized saddle that fit. I would do the same for the Ergon. If my LBS can get a couple in for demo, I may give them a try. Other than that, I don’t recommend buying before trying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iwanttorideatnight View Post
    I ordered a pro carbon and I'm wondering if the carbon rail would be fine with my bontrager saddle bag? Everything in the bag weighs 1.48 lbs.

    The saddle will be at my door three days from now and I'm worried that so far the saddle doesn't have good reviews.

    To those who already bought and tried the saddle and was not satisfied of the outcome. Are you guys going to resell the item?
    Yes, the carbon rails will be fine with the seat bag straps. We have had riders using seat bags in XC/Marathon races carrying small items like tubes and tool with no problems or excessive wear. Same goes for a few riders who did Tour Divide and the Colorado Trail Race carrying seatbags with up to 10+ lbs of gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wankel View Post
    ....and that hump on the sm3 was torture.
    If you are contacting the "hump" or nose of the saddle while riding, you are sitting to far forward on the saddle. The nose should not be contacted, until you move forward to sit on the nose to climb steep terrain. The time here should not be long....minutes at that. For the remaining ride you should be siting back on the saddle. There is a sweet spot, and when the sit bones are in the right spot, you shouldn't feel the middle to front of the saddle. If you are feeling these spots, check the fore/aft as well as the saddle height.

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    Just to add my 2¢ and personal opinion as a rider....

    For mountain biking in XC, marathon, and 100-mile events, I use the SM3-S. This saddle works for me as I am on and off the saddle a lot.

    For longer than 100-mile events and road riding, I use the SM3-L. This riding tends to lead to more sitting, so the SM3-L offers more of a platform and comfort.

    This past weekend I used the SM3-L for the Vapor Trail 125. Without a doubt the SM3-L was what was needed for me to be in the Colorado backcountry for 13+ hours.

    In 2013, we will offer a road saddle as well as offer the road and mtb saddles in 3 sizes; Small, Medium, and Large.

    After Interbike next week, we will offer a demo program for consumers to try the saddle at their LBS. Dealers can see us at Interbike to get the details on the demo program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    Yes, the carbon rails will be fine with the seat bag straps. We have had riders using seat bags in XC/Marathon races carrying small items like tubes and tool with no problems or excessive wear. Same goes for a few riders who did Tour Divide and the Colorado Trail Race carrying seatbags with up to 10+ lbs of gear.

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    Thanks Jeff for your reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    In 2013, we will offer a road saddle as well as offer the road and mtb saddles in 3 sizes; Small, Medium, and Large.
    How will the sizing differ from the current S/L options?

    BTW, what is your sit bone measurement? Mine are 130ish, so I have the L (all the saddles that have worked for me have been 143-150mm wide). I doubt the S would work for me without falling off to one side or the other.
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    So far I love mine. I've been riding it for about a month now, but, no rides over 10 miles yet. I haven't had any soreness related to the saddle or any of the usual break in soreness that usually comes with using a new saddle. For the record, It's the SM3 Pro Large. I'm 6'2" around the 270 mark most the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoomy29er View Post
    How will the sizing differ from the current S/L options?
    For 2013 we will introduce 3 sizes for the SM3 mtb saddle and the SR3 road saddle. The current Small and Large will become Small and Medium in 2013. We will be adding a wider saddle in 2013. This will become the Large.

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    I change the stock bonty saddle to a pro carbon. Road around for a few blocks and did a lot of seat adjustment. Initial impression, butt hurt. My height is 5'9" and 165 lbs. I feel that my stock saddle is more forgiving despite of its narrow shape. I'm still hoping that I will find the sweet spot or just sell it.






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    I picked up a SM3- Small about a month ago. My sit bones measured about 130. I'm 6 foot 185 lbs with a 35 waist. I went with the small because it was similar in size to my Gobi XM which I liked but had a cracked carbon rail.

    Rode it maybe 10-12 times between 1 and 2 hours. I had to move it around just a little but once I found the sweet spot it felt great. I was switching to a hardtail at the same time.

    I rode it Sunday for 9-1/2 hours in the Wet, Muddy, Rainy and for me, Long, Vermont 50. Best saddle ever for me. Never thought about it during the race, never felt the need to reapply chamois cream, never had a bit of butt pain.

    Your mileage may vary but for me this is the best saddle ever. Unfortunately I'm going to need three more to outfit the whole stable.

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    I wrote a review recently regarding my experience(s) with the SM3.

    Ergon SM3 (2012 Model) – Moutain Bike Saddle Review « One More Mile

    Take a look and let me know what you think. Hopefully people who are on the fence regarding this saddle will find this helpful.

    I know that saddle choice is kind of like underwear and that everyone has their own preference.

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    Good review and I agree with your findings. And after 50 miles on Sunday, 12 hours driving on Monday, I rode 45 minutes yesterday and it still felt comfortable.

    And it's true, saddles are like underwear with lots of personal preference. However, unlike underwear, I never ride without a saddle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Mutt View Post
    Good review and I agree with your findings. And after 50 miles on Sunday, 12 hours driving on Monday, I rode 45 minutes yesterday and it still felt comfortable.

    And it's true, saddles are like underwear with lots of personal preference. However, unlike underwear, I never ride without a saddle!
    LOL let us hope that you've never ridden without a saddle. That might be ummm...tragic to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    For 2013 we will introduce 3 sizes for the SM3 mtb saddle and the SR3 road saddle. The current Small and Large will become Small and Medium in 2013. We will be adding a wider saddle in 2013. This will become the Large.

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    Cool. When will the SR3 become available? I looked at photos of it and it appears that the things I didn't like about the SM3 on my road bike tests will be better for me with the SR3, at least from what I can garner from photos. I still want to try the SM3 on my new mtn bike, once it arrives (I haven't bothered trying it on my current bike, since that bike's such a poor fit for me to begin with and I doubt I could determine anything, either way).
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    I love the grips and if the saddle is as good as the grips it should be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoomy29er View Post
    Cool. When will the SR3 become available? I looked at photos of it and it appears that the things I didn't like about the SM3 on my road bike tests will be better for me with the SR3, at least from what I can garner from photos. I still want to try the SM3 on my new mtn bike, once it arrives (I haven't bothered trying it on my current bike, since that bike's such a poor fit for me to begin with and I doubt I could determine anything, either way).
    SR3 is a 2013 product. So expect it in late Spring 2013. Of course this is subject to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    For 2013 we will introduce 3 sizes for the SM3 mtb saddle and the SR3 road saddle. The current Small and Large will become Small and Medium in 2013. We will be adding a wider saddle in 2013. This will become the Large.

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    Thats awesome that you are changing the sizing. I appreciate buying a large after looking at the measurements only to realize it is far too narrow in real world application for my arse. Now it is really a medium after marketing as a large. You wanna exchange it for the right size?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adim_X View Post
    Thats awesome that you are changing the sizing. I appreciate buying a large after looking at the measurements only to realize it is far too narrow in real world application for my arse. Now it is really a medium after marketing as a large. You wanna exchange it for the right size?
    In 2012, we have 2 saddles sizes, small and large. This is what is available in the 2012 SM3 and what was released in the saddle tech specs and marketing. There was no larger size, or did we hide this from the specs or buying options. As a consumer in 2012 you only had the option of small and large.

    In 2013, we are releasing and updated SM3 and a new road saddle called the SR3. We will also introduce a new larger size. This is NEW for 2013, not available in 2012. Correct, we are keeping the current small size, but the 2012 large will be come the 2013 medium in favor of a NEW larger sized saddle.

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    I understand it's new for 2013. What I am saying is that your marketing implied to me that this was a large size saddle when in reality, it is only medium width. Poor consumer decision on my part and I feel it is semi sketchy marketing on your part. It's cool, I will sell this one and may consider your real large next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adim_X View Post
    I understand it's new for 2013. What I am saying is that your marketing implied to me that this was a large size saddle when in reality, it is only medium width. Poor consumer decision on my part and I feel it is semi sketchy marketing on your part. It's cool, I will sell this one and may consider your real large next year.




    You probably should be using the actual measurement of the saddle instead of random nomenclature imo.

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    im so confused on which size i should get. S or L

    i'm 5'10" with a waist of 33. Do you think I can go with a S?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fondoo View Post
    im so confused on which size i should get. S or L

    i'm 5'10" with a waist of 33. Do you think I can go with a S?
    What's your sit bones measurement? I see so many people talking about their height and weight, which doesn't really have a whole lot to do with appropriate saddle size, otherwise average-sized women would always be on narrow saddles and men would be on wider saddles--which is the reverse of reality, mostly because women have wider pelvises and generally have wider sit bones to go with them. The rule of thumb that I've always been told is to take one's sit bone measurement and add 5-10mm to each side will get a saddle that fits well and won't have a person falling off either side. For instance, my sit bones are about 130mm apart, so I generally do well on saddles that are 140-150mm wide.
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    <img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8038/8074216604_10322a242d_z.jpg" width="495" height="640" alt="SM3-Dimension-Chart"></a>

    Here are the 2012 SM3 saddle dimensions
    SM3-S: 287 L x 135 W
    SM3-L: 287 L x 146 W

    Germany is in the process of releasing an online and mobile app to help pick the proper size based on the rider dimensions and intended rider use. We are pushing here in the USA for them to release this ASAP.

    I do not have the 2013 saddle dimensions, as the saddle is not finalized for production.

    Personally, I am 6 ft, have a 33" waist, weigh 165 lbs. I ride the SM3-L

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    I'm happily riding a small at 6 foot 180lbs.

    I bought the small based on sit bone measurements. I was at the upper end for the small and the lower end for the large, since they overlap. Jeff from Ergon told me if that was the case to base the rest of the decision on how I liked the size of my current saddle. I liked my old saddle and it was narrow so I went with a small.

    I'm never a small in anything, so my advice is to ignore S or L and pick based on sit bone measurements. Who knows, I may have been happy with a Large had I gone that way, but I am definitely happy with a small.

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    Been ridding a regular SM3 on my hard tail and a Pro on my trail bike both in the small width for the last 4 months. By far the most comfortable saddle I have ever ridden hands down. I was running a WTB Vigo on my trail bike and thought that I would never switch it out because of the comfortable all day sitting I got out of it. Well the Ergon is twice the saddle that the WTB was. I was using a Specialized Phenom on the hard tail and will never look back on that one. The Ergon flat out blows the Phenom out of the water. My only complaint is on the regular SM3 which has developed an annoing creak. The Pro has been flawless. Really wish I would have bought 2 Pros but as far as comfort they are the same. Maybe a little oil would fix the creak. I don't use Ergon's grips but from now on their saddles are all I will own.

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    my ergon sm3-s arrived today. look forward to install it on my 2013 cannondale jekyll 3
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    i upgraded my stock saddle tonight on my cannondale jekyll 3 and all i can say is wow.
    my butt thanks you!
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    I have a question to ask you guys... Today I went to the specialized bike store in order to measure my seat bones... I am undecided if getting a specialized saddle or an ergon one..
    My sitbones were measured as 130 mms, so if I want to buy an ergon saddle, which size should I get???
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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    For 2013 we will introduce 3 sizes for the SM3 mtb saddle
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    do you know roughly the width of the new large?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikeboxer View Post
    My sitbones were measured as 130 mms, so if I want to buy an ergon saddle, which size should I get???
    That's about what mine are and I'm on a L. A S would have had me falling off one side or the other. Rule of thumb is to have ~10mm on either side of one's sit bones. I think the L Ergon is 145-150ish, IIRC.
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    besides the addition of a third size (S,M and L), are there any other changes to the SM3 that make it worth waiting for the 2013 model (for endurance MTB racing)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltz View Post
    besides the addition of a third size (S,M and L), are there any other changes to the SM3 that make it worth waiting for the 2013 model (for endurance MTB racing)?
    The SM3 mtb saddle and the SR3 road saddle will use an updated foam for 2013. It is a highly developed German orthopedic foam found in high end running shoes.

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    So Jeff, I ordered one a few weeks ago and they were back ordered until the 15th or so of this month. Any chance mine will be a 2013? How would I know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    So Jeff, I ordered one a few weeks ago and they were back ordered until the 15th or so of this month. Any chance mine will be a 2013? How would I know?
    The updated SM3 saddles will not arrive until March 2013

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    Meh, oh well. I liked it enough spec'd as it was. I'm sure I'll be happy. If not, you'll hear all about it
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    Love this saddle. Not sure what size I have... Large? I have the regular, came off of using a Spec. Henge - I think it was too narrow. But have used the WTB rocket and love the Ergon. Rode 7hrs in it and felt great.

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    This really is a great saddle. Got one on ebay for half off and replaced the stock saddle on my RM 950. Noticed the difference immediately. Really supports your sit bones. Don't have any soreness after riding, which I would get with the stock saddle and my old Silverado. It feels like you are sitting on top of the saddle rather than the saddle wedging in your crack. The material is very slippery and it is very easy getting off the back. I have the pro large. Don't know why they are changing the foam- feels great as is. Nice work Ergon. If you get one, make sure the saddle is completely flat or angled slightly down.

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    Mine made it in. SM3-L Pro Carbon. Weighed 206g. I put it on slightly nose down, almost imperceptible. Seems fine so far but with all the snow and mud outside I haven't been able to put any quality time on it yet.
    I'm a mountain bike guide in South West Utah

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    Are the 2013 models of the SM3 with the updated foam in stock now at suppliers like BTI?
    Fall in Fruita/GJ. F' yeah! Lunch Loops are riding sweet and so is everything else.

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    I spent a four day weekend in St. George Utah a couple weeks ago and put in over 80 miles. I never once had an issue getting back on the bike each morning, at least from a sore underside. That's a first. Score one for Ergon.

    I did find that I spend more time up on the nose section of the saddle than the rear. I also found that I could just slide back a bit when I got tired and it felt like a complete change-up of sit pressure. This will make a great endurance saddle.
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