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    Quote Originally Posted by DLd View Post
    Are the 2013 models of the SM3 with the updated foam in stock now at suppliers like BTI?
    No. The 2013 SM3 will not hit N. American soil until late April or early May.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    No. The 2013 SM3 will not hit N. American soil until late April or early May.

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    Thanks Jeff!

    Can you please post up when the 2013 SM3 L is available, and where?

    Thanks!

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    They will be available at Brazil?

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    You will need to check with the Brazilian distributor to see if they are stocking the SM3. Their contact is...

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    Any reviews on the new road saddle?

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    Ergon SM3 saddle

    I won a large black pro sm3 at annadel Xc recently. I have the same saddle on all road and mtb bikes (spesh phenom 143), so not sure I am going to try it or not. It's about the width I think I need and looks great...just not really looking for a new saddle and kinda like having the same one to be conditioned on, instead of having a diff saddle one one bike. Anyone looking for one?
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    SR3 road saddle reviews, anyone?

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    I'm wondering about an SME3 review, there seems to be few reviews.

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    Does anyone know if the ti rail vs carbon rail saddle have any difference in give or flex.
    Another example question would be is there better vibration in one or the other?
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    Hey Jeff,
    Could you explain the actual differences in the SM3 (MTB specific) and the SR3 (road specific)? They look almost identical.
    Also, it seems the beef with these saddles is with the perennial area being too firm and/or not relieved enough. What is/was the thought behind that?
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    The SM saddles vs the SR saddle....
    - The SR is much firmer than the SM saddles.
    - The nose on the SR is also not as padded as the SM saddles.
    - SR saddle in general is lower profile.
    - Due to the constant state of sitting, the SR saddle has less organic shaping. The SM saddles have more rounded corners due to the on/off the saddle while riding.

    There is not a large relief in our saddles for 1 big reason, these tend to lead to more issue rather than solve issues. Deep reliefs or holes in the saddles create ridges....which tend to push into rider soft tissue. With saddle our research, we found the deepest relief you can make with out causing issues to the rider soft tissue is 6mm deep. Our SMC3 has the deepest relief offering of 6mm. Rest of our saddles have minimal relief. If a rider is having issues in the perennial area with any brand of saddle it comes down to 2 things; saddle height and the rider sitting too far forward on the saddle. We have found through our years of research, going to events, talking with riders, etc......there there are a handful of commonalities being seen...
    - Most riders on a saddle that is too narrow
    - Most riders saddles are too far back, forcing them too the narrow part of saddle.
    - Most riders saddles are too high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    There is not a large relief in our saddles for 1 big reason, these tend to lead to more issue rather than solve issues. Deep reliefs or holes in the saddles create ridges....which tend to push into rider soft tissue. With saddle our research, we found the deepest relief you can make with out causing issues to the rider soft tissue is 6mm deep. Our SMC3 has the deepest relief offering of 6mm. Rest of our saddles have minimal relief. If a rider is having issues in the perennial area with any brand of saddle it comes down to 2 things; saddle height and the rider sitting too far forward on the saddle. We have found through our years of research, going to events, talking with riders, etc......there there are a handful of commonalities being seen...
    - Most riders on a saddle that is too narrow
    - Most riders saddles are too far back.
    - Most riers saddles are too high.

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    Informative response, Jeff...thanks. Disregard the inquiry on Roadbike R. So, it looks like I could use an SM saddle on my roadie and just switch out.

    Some have said that unlike some saddles, the preferred positioning is slightly nose-down. Is that how the designers envisioned it?
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    There are handful of Ergon saddle now. Here it is broken down...
    SMR3: MTB race saddle
    SMC3: MTB comfort saddle
    SME3: Enduro/gravity/all-mtn saddle
    SR3: Road
    SRX3: CX

    Nose down varies from rider to rider. Many of our racers, me included, are about 1 to 2 degrees nose down. This rocks the sitbones forward which translates to about 1-2 extra watts per pedal stroke. This has been measured and proven via an SRM. Of course, this position isn't for everyone. Also, no, this wasn't figured into the design of the saddle. The main key points which all our saddles have in common...
    1. Thin shell
    2. sit bone pockets formed into the shell. 3 widths available: S, M, L
    4. floating rail system which pushes away trail/road feedback.
    5. Ride specific tuning. Each saddle has been designed for its intended riding application.

    As we tell all consumers/athletes, saddles are tricky. Find what works for you....adjust how you need it. Everyone is different. We'd love to have every rider on an Ergon saddle. We know that isn't 100% possible, but are willing to go to great lengths with design and testing to make the saddle decision that much easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    There are handful of Ergon saddle now. Here it is broken down...
    SMR3: MTB race saddle
    SMC3: MTB comfort saddle
    SME3: Enduro/gravity/all-mtn saddle
    SR3: Road
    SRX3: CX
    Jeff, one last question (I promise)...where would the older SM3 Pro Carbon model fit in the new line-up?
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    The old SM3 would be closest to the new SMR3. The SMR3 has upgrades; better foam (same used in high-end running shoes) and a shell where the thigh/wing area has a bit more flex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    There are handful of Ergon saddle now. Here it is broken down...
    SMR3: MTB race saddle
    SMC3: MTB comfort saddle
    SME3: Enduro/gravity/all-mtn saddle
    SR3: Road
    SRX3: CX
    Hi Jeff,
    I was wondering what the difference between the Fiberglass Composite shell and Carbon Fiber Composite. Is one going to have more flex/give than the other? I currently have a SM3-S Pro and so far have enjoyed the saddle. I have noticed on longer rides 12hrs and up on the endurance end sit bone points tend to get a little sore. I am looking to buy another product which would would be used for long distance gravel touring and your fit guide keeps putting me to the new srx3-pro. Do you have any suggestions?
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    The Fiberglass composite is an Ergon made material that we also use use to make our barends, found on such models as the GP3 and GS3. In easy to understand terms, it is a highly impact resistant plastic. Carbon fiber is exactly what it says. Same material used in bike frames, handlebars, etc.

    Only differences will be weight and vibration damping. The carbon fiber models are the lightest and offer the most vibration resistance.

    If you are on the SM3-S Pro now, but want softer, look at the SMC3 Pro. This is new comfort mtb saddle for 2015...
    SMC3 Pro
    This will offer softer foam, a deeper relief channel, TiNox rails, and a carbon shell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    If you are on the SM3-S Pro now, but want softer, look at the SMC3 Pro. This is new comfort mtb saddle for 2015...
    What would the diffeernce be between the SMC3 pro and the SMR3 pro?

    and thanks for the quick responses also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logover View Post
    What would the diffeernce be between the SMC3 pro and the SMR3 pro?
    The SMR3 and SMC3 replace the former SM3.

    The SMR3 is a full blown mtb race saddle. Firm, lightweight, and similar to the old SM3, but with new foam (see below)

    The SMC3 is same shape as SMR3, but has thicker/deeper foam. It's more of the "every day riders" saddle. It also has a 6mm deep relief channel.

    All our Pro level saddles offer carbon shells and TiNox rails.

    So, when you say you like the SM3 shape, but want a bit more forgiveness in the later hours of a ride, I point you to the SMC3....which has the SM3 shape, but softer foam.

    Note, all our saddle now utilize a new foam. We are the only company in the industry using this foam. The foam is the same that is found in high end running shoes by brands like Adidas. It is designed to never break down, hold its form, and offer more shock absorption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    The SMR3 and SMC3 replace the former SM3.

    The SMR3 is a full blown mtb race saddle. Firm, lightweight, and similar to the old SM3, but with new foam (see below)

    The SMC3 is same shape as SMR3, but has thicker/deeper foam. It's more of the "every day riders" saddle. It also has a 6mm deep relief channel.

    All our Pro level saddles offer carbon shells and TiNox rails.

    So, when you say you like the SM3 shape, but want a bit more forgiveness in the later hours of a ride, I point you to the SMC3....which has the SM3 shape, but softer foam.
    Excellent, sorry little slow sometimes. SMC3-Pro small on order. thanks!
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    Dear Jeff

    Good to see your support and respnses. As i about to buy a new saddle (at the moment 130mm Selle Superflow) i need some advice.
    My seat bones are 113mm and online wizard advised M ad that seems to be correct as my current one is to narrow, but my question is about versions.
    I'm gonna to use it for all day AM rides and need to forget about my but and start to admire views. Can you give some more info about E version? What are the dofferences from C version? More cushion, better for long trips, can be used without padded shorts?

    @ guestion for all.

    Was considering also WTB Pure or Selle Max flite Gel flow SLR anyone can compare to Ergon?

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    The SMC3 vs the SME3....

    The SMC3, as mentioned above, is a comfort mtb saddle. It's designed for all day general mountain bike riding. Think XC style riding with your buddies on your local trails. Your not a racer, you just want to have fun, be comfy. Yes, the SMC3 will have the thickest foam out of all our saddles.

    The SME3 is designed around the rigors of more gravity based riding, specifically enduro'ish riding where you are seated to climb as much as ride long descents. The only similarities the SME3 to the SMC3 will have is the pockets in the saddle shell and the sizing. So, if you measure out to a M saddle, you are a M is all the Ergon saddles. The SME3 over the SMC3 will be shorter in the nose and also have a more organic rounded shape (no hard edges/angles). The shorter nose and rounded off shape helps to deflect the legs, clothing, etc when descending for a long time. The SME3 is most at home on any dropper post

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    Jeff

    Thanks a lot for info.
    Taking above in account, my feelings firstly went to C but later on i got confused so let me clarify more my usage and needs.

    AM style with enduro elements
    Learning how to pass drops and tech sections
    Still need to climb many times
    Rather on-seat position
    Long daily distances
    Used with RS dropper post

    Would You recommend to stick with C??

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    Would suggest the SME3 based on your usage and needs listed above. The SME3 is great mix of seated comfort and out of the way for DH speed. It's there when you need it.

    I would only point you toward the SMC3 if your need of "Long Daily Distances" is measured over the 50 mile mark.

    Using myself as an example, I use the SME3 when visiting bike parks, big mountain technical rides here in Colorado, on my 140mm and 160mm trail bikes. A few folks local to me on the SMC3 are core male/female mtbers. Riding their 100mm full-suspension bikes for 2 hours at a time, maybe 3-4 times a week after work.

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    Now i see that provided not enough info.

    1. Hard to admi but i ride regurally 2-3 times a week, but when i manage to do so than i have 5-7hours of freedom than i do maybe 30-40 miles max.
    2. No bikeparks around, rather easy trails.
    3. Real opportuniry to Enduro are dedicated trips ~ 30 days a year.
    4. My bike is 140mm AM Banshee Prime.
    5. The real Enduro i do is practising body balance, 3-4 ft drops and similar - still learning.

    Am i still candidate for E??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    The SMR3 and SMC3 replace the former SM3.

    The SMR3 is a full blown mtb race saddle. Firm, lightweight, and similar to the old SM3, but with new foam (see below)

    The SMC3 is same shape as SMR3, but has thicker/deeper foam. It's more of the "every day riders" saddle. It also has a 6mm deep relief channel.

    All our Pro level saddles offer carbon shells and TiNox rails.

    So, when you say you like the SM3 shape, but want a bit more forgiveness in the later hours of a ride, I point you to the SMC3....which has the SM3 shape, but softer foam.

    Note, all our saddle now utilize a new foam. We are the only company in the industry using this foam. The foam is the same that is found in high end running shoes by brands like Adidas. It is designed to never break down, hold its form, and offer more shock absorption.

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    Just wanted to follow up with my purchase and thank Jeff.
    The SMC3 was just what I was looking for. Used it on a 375 mile 2.5 day trip and it had just the right amount of additional padding I was looking for over the SM3. SM3 is still good for me for daily use but will be using the SMC3 for longer events for sure. Thank you
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    I'm trying to figure out a couple of things. Hoping Jeff, or anyone else here, can help out.

    As a reference: Currently on a Spec. Ruby 155mm. It works, but I'm not in love with it. A bit too long making it catch on shorts with some frequency. The Spec level 1 padding is okay, but a bit firm.
    Conversely, the Spec level 3 padding of the Myth is too soft and results in bad pressure spots on the sensitive bits, which is why it was a fail (that and the uber wide love channel created horrible ridges of pressure).

    I can't really figure out what is meant with the Ergon padding descriptions. Though the SMC3 is billed as being more comfortable for long rides, my experience is that more padding is bad after a certain point. What I do like the sound of on that saddle, is the deeper love channel.
    The SME3 sounds like an ideal saddle for what I do. Pedal uphill on gravel roads for 1 hr or so, then rock back down on technical, rocky, rooty, jumpy trails. My biggest question with this saddle is: Where is the SIZE LARGE??? If I end up on a narrow saddle, it's nothing but soft tissue all day long.

    Finally, what are the women Ergon athletes riding on?
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    I've tried every saddle that Ergon makes and I just put a new SMR-3 S on my Colnago road bike. Best saddle ever! More comfortable to me then even the SMC. Two 3-hour rides so far on it and never even thought about it until I got off and said "I never thought about my new saddle once!"

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    This description souns like lot of XC on E model especiallythose long uphills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post

    The SME3 sounds like an ideal saddle for what I do. Pedal uphill on gravel roads for 1 hr or so, then rock back down on technical, rocky, rooty, jumpy trails. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    I can't really figure out what is meant with the Ergon padding descriptions.
    We do not group our saddles by "padding descriptions". Our saddles are named and designed based on the intended usage. Example....

    SMR3: MTB race saddle, xc, marathon, stage racing
    SMC3: MTB comfort saddle, general everyday mtbing, non-racing saddle
    SME3: Enduro/gravity/all-mtn saddle
    SR3: Road/Road racing
    SRX3: CX / adventure road / gravel

    The foam we use in our saddles in used by no other company in the bike industry. The next industry who uses this foam is the high end running shoe industry. This foam is designed to hold it's shape and density over time and not break down. It can also handle shock and impact better over the typically used saddle foam. In general, the foam in all our saddles is super thin. This new foam allows for this.....we get more with less. Only the SMC3 has thicker foam, but when compared to other saddles on the market it is still thin.

    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    My biggest question with this saddle is: Where is the SIZE LARGE???
    The SME3 and SRX3 are not offered in size L as the saddle becomes too wide for the intended use. Through our testing, L sizes in these 2 models caused the saddle to get in the way during the various movements of on/off forward/behind the saddle.

    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    Finally, what are the women Ergon athletes riding on?
    Our endurance female riders are on the SMR3. Our female gravity riders are on the SME3.

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    Jeff, when did you start using the new foam?

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    In the 2014 and 2015 saddles.

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    Hi Jeff, wanted to hear more about the difference between old and new line of your saddles. Is the amount and composition of new foam the only difference? Bought recently SM3 model in saleout and am preponderantly satisfied but on longer distances near the end I start to feel sore of sit bones. I find on touch the padding rather tough. Doesn't that in clash with sit comfort, would switching to SMC3 make considerable difference on long trips?
    About the right size choice - on Ergon's size calculator I've been recommended L size, though having sit bones span only 12cm. Ergon generally suggests M for this span. Could my saddle size be too wide and would the M improve anything if I don't have problem with fretting of the edges to thighs?

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    As mentioned above, the SM3 is 2 saddles now; the SMR3 and SMC3.

    The SMR3 is a pure mtb racing saddle. Firm. Race inspired. Similar to the old SM3

    The SMC3 is the same shaping as the SMR3. Only difference here is the SMC3 uses the same foam as the SMR3, but it is much thicker. The SMC3 also has a deeper relief channel. If you desire softer and comfort, look at the SMC3.

    As for sizing, if you measure 12cm, you belong on the Medium size saddle. Medium is the size you would run in ALL the Ergon saddle models.

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    I bought an SMC3 L which will be delivered tomorrow. I am hoping for a little more support for my sit bones than my current Chromag Trailmaster offers. I'm a 6' 205lb rider and I'm hoping the 155mm width will work better for me than the current 140mm I'm on.

    Quick question for you Jeff K, I bought the 'base' SMC3 saddle, and it's my understanding that only differences between the 3 levels of saddles is the rail and shell materials? The foam is the same material, and is formed with the same tools & techniques too?

    Here's to hoping my prostatitis settles down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Bone View Post
    Quick question for you Jeff K, I bought the 'base' SMC3 saddle, and it's my understanding that only differences between the 3 levels of saddles is the rail and shell materials? The foam is the same material, and is formed with the same tools & techniques too?
    Yes, that is correct.

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    Thanks Jeff, I know the difference between SMC3 and SME3, what I was asking was diff between SM3 and SMC3 ie. old and new saddle, in short how much is better SMC3 (or SM3 worse). Can somebody riding both saddles compare more thoroughly?

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    Hope someone, Jeff especially, is still dipping in on this thread. I'm looking at which Ergon saddle to go with. Specifically I'm going to put it on my Fatbike, with the Arrowhead 135 in mind. My best fitting saddles have been Fizik Arione (road) and Brooks B17N (touring/commuting), so I don't seem to need a lot of cushion. The WTB Speed V didn't cut it on the Fatbike or MTB last year. Just could never get comfortable on it. The reading I've done on the Ergon saddles tilt me toward the SME3. Anyone want to chime in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tukan View Post
    Thanks Jeff, I know the difference between SMC3 and SME3, what I was asking was diff between SM3 and SMC3 ie. old and new saddle, in short how much is better SMC3 (or SM3 worse). Can somebody riding both saddles compare more thoroughly?
    Huge differences between the SM3 and SMC3.

    The current SMR3 will be closer to the SM3; firm, flat, performance oriented.

    The SMC3 uses the same shape as the SMR3, but the foam is much thicker, the relief channel is deeper, and saddle is more tuned towards comfort more than performance.

    SMR3 = perfomance mtb race saddle
    SMC3 = comfort mtb saddle

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    Quote Originally Posted by revcp View Post
    Hope someone, Jeff especially, is still dipping in on this thread. I'm looking at which Ergon saddle to go with. Specifically I'm going to put it on my Fatbike, with the Arrowhead 135 in mind. My best fitting saddles have been Fizik Arione (road) and Brooks B17N (touring/commuting), so I don't seem to need a lot of cushion. The WTB Speed V didn't cut it on the Fatbike or MTB last year. Just could never get comfortable on it. The reading I've done on the Ergon saddles tilt me toward the SME3. Anyone want to chime in?
    First, chose your saddle based on intended use....
    SMC3: Comfort MTB
    SMR3: MTB Race / Performance
    SME3: All-mountain / Enduro
    SR3: Road / Road Racing
    SRX3: CX / Dirt Road / Gravel

    Second, chose the correct size. Either S, M, or L....
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    If you seek a firm saddle to be planted on for endurance, look at the SMR3. I don't point you towards the SMC3, as you specifically mention you don't need a lot of cushion. The SME3 is also a softer saddle and not as long. Not ideal if you are looking for a saddle with multiple sitting areas. ie: sitting from back to nose of saddle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    First, chose your saddle based on intended use....
    SMC3: Comfort MTB
    SMR3: MTB Race / Performance
    SME3: All-mountain / Enduro
    SR3: Road / Road Racing
    SRX3: CX / Dirt Road / Gravel

    Second, chose the correct size. Either S, M, or L....
    ERGON BIKE ERGONOMICS

    If you seek a firm saddle to be planted on for endurance, look at the SMR3. I don't point you towards the SMC3, as you specifically mention you don't need a lot of cushion. The SME3 is also a softer saddle and not as long. Not ideal if you are looking for a saddle with multiple sitting areas. ie: sitting from back to nose of saddle.

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    Thanks, Jeff. Appreciate it.

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    Hey Jeff, any guess on when the new SMC4 saddles will be available for purchase? Not pinning you down on an exact day, just an educated guess is fine.

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    What is the exact difference between the SMR3 Pro and the SR3 Pro, other than one being designated "mountain" and the other "road?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Bone View Post
    Hey Jeff, any guess on when the new SMC4 saddles will be available for purchase?
    Right now, estimated delivery to market is mid-Feb 2016. Really good chance it could be a few weeks earlier.

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    SMR3 Pro is a mid-level mtb racing saddle.
    SR3 Pro is a mid level road racing/riding saddle.
    Both saddles have carbon shells and TiNox rails.
    Intended usage, which alters the design of each saddle slightly, are the only changes. The most noticable difference is the SMR3 will have a more foam and a larger saddle nose. The SR3 is a bit more sleek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    SMR3 Pro is a mid-level mtb racing saddle.
    SR3 Pro is a mid level road racing/riding saddle.
    Both saddles have carbon shells and TiNox rails.
    Intended usage, which alters the design of each saddle slightly, are the only changes. The most noticable difference is the SMR3 will have a more foam and a larger saddle nose. The SR3 is a bit more sleek.

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    Thank you, Jeff! Much appreciated! I have ridden with road saddles for many, many dirt miles in the past. I am once again on a road saddle on my MTB-your SR3 Pro! Once I got I positioned correctly it has been brilliant!

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    Hope you're still checking in here, Jeff. Just wanted to let you and the posters here know how completely satisfied I've been with my SMR3 Comp. I put it on my Fat Bike and it has performed wonderfully on trails and now that the snow is here it's just as good. Best compliment for any saddle is if you don't think about it when you're riding. The only times I've thought about it are when I've had to drop off the back of the saddle for an unanticipated last minute maneuver, and it's been very easy to get off and back on. And for me it's just the right amount of padding, which is to say very little. Once spring comes along and the Fat Bike is hung in the garage I'll put the saddle on my Troll. Kudos on a great product!

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    I have bought several SMR3's. 2 comps and 2 pro carbon. They are great. Question is about the carbon rails. Their profile seems to limit them to seat posts that clamp from top and bottom only, not from the sides. Is this true, or am I missing something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodeus2112 View Post
    I have bought several SMR3's. 2 comps and 2 pro carbon. They are great. Question is about the carbon rails. Their profile seems to limit them to seat posts that clamp from top and bottom only, not from the sides. Is this true, or am I missing something?
    Yes, seatposts that clamp from the sides are typically limited to only working with round saddle rails. Most seatposts that clamp from the top and bottom are compatible with both oval and round saddle rails. Thompson and Reverbs are examples of seatposts that clamp from the top and bottom and are compatible with all types of saddles (except I-beam, of course...)
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    Oval saddle rails found on our Pro Carbon saddles require an aftermarket side clamp from the seatpost manufacturer that fits oval rails. Top/Bottom seat post clamps are good to go as they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    Oval saddle rails found on our Pro Carbon saddles require an aftermarket side clamp from the seatpost manufacturer that fits oval rails. Top/Bottom seat post clamps are good to go as they are.
    I see now. Oval is 7x10mm, whereas round is just 7mm.
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    Hi Jeff.
    Will you be able to advise.
    My seat bones are 123mm center to center (so bones have like 145 in total)
    I ride AM/EN but trips are rather 'on seat' and all day 50-70km.
    I went to online wizard which advised SME3 M. As far as i know it's 143mm. Isn't that to narrow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Placek View Post
    Hi Jeff.
    Will you be able to advise.
    My seat bones are 123mm center to center (so bones have like 145 in total)
    I ride AM/EN but trips are rather 'on seat' and all day 50-70km.
    I went to online wizard which advised SME3 M. As far as i know it's 143mm. Isn't that to narrow?
    If your sitbones measure 12.3cm (123mm) C-to-C, this puts you on the size Medium for all the Ergon saddle models. Medium size is 11-13cm.

    For your specific riding, I would suggest the SMA3 over the SME3. While both use the exact same shell and shape, the SMA3 is more comfort oriented, while the SME3 is more race bred.

    The SMA3 is new for 2016 and is designed as an comfort all-mountain saddle. Our online saddle sizing app will not show this saddle, as the website and app are being updated for 2016 as I type this. The SMA3 is available now and more info can be found on page 16 here: http://my.ergonbike.com/Ergon_2016_Int_WEB.pdf

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    Ok that's supportive.
    Still the catalogue just slightly distinguish SME from SMA..
    Taking in account what You said it seems like SMA is more for those riding than flying?

    I live in PL but after making some research the SME3 Pro is not available.... worry to think what about 2016 new models...
    Is there a chance ro order them in EU or US already?

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    Would the order of softest to hardest saddle be SMC3, SMA3, SME3?

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    Correct.

    The SMA3 is an all-day all-mountain/enduro saddle. Those doing longer backcountry rides on larger travel bikes will favor this saddle

    The SME3 is more enduro race bred and more those that like a firm saddle.

    Personally, I use the SMA3 for backcountry rides and longer day rides in Moab. I use the SME3 for lift days and the occasional enduo event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hojong View Post
    Would the order of softest to hardest saddle be SMC3, SMA3, SME3?
    In this order...
    SMC3
    SMA3
    SME3

    The SMC3 and SMA3 will be nearly identical in the softness department. The SME3 will be the firmest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    @Placek

    Correct.

    The SMA3 is an all-day all-mountain/enduro saddle. Those doing longer backcountry rides on larger travel bikes will favor this saddle

    The SME3 is more enduro race bred and more those that like a firm saddle.

    Personally, I use the SMA3 for backcountry rides and longer day rides in Moab. I use the SME3 for lift days and the occasional enduo event.

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    SMA3 ordered.
    will share my thoughts after first rides.

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    Just installe an SME3 today and had a ride. Of the last 3 saddles Ive had its by far the most comfortable and "out of the way". Last saddles I had were a WTB Volt (not good for me) and a Spec. Phenom (better but not great for me)

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    Does anybody in the 200lb range find the SMC3 too mushy. Trying to decide between the Race and Comfort version and I need the large width. I generally prefer firmer saddles but don't want to take a beating either. Currently on a specialized henge comp that I think has too much swale and is a bit soft. Riding is 3-5 hour trail riding varied to rough terrain. Lots of ups and downs and small jumps.
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    I weigh about 250-260 and I just put the SMC3-L comp on my bike. I have only had a couple of rides on it so far. It seems perfect to me. It reminds me of my beloved Koobi Silver saddle which died about a year ago. Since then I have been riding a Madison Flux which is similar to a Charge spoon. It was okay but on longer rides I was getting a sharp pain where my legs meet my body inside my crotch. With the Ergon I haven't had this problem as I ride sitting on my sit bones like my Koobi did.
    I tried a Specialized Henge 155 and my thighes would rub on the sides of the saddle. This is not a problem with the Ergon.
    To answer you question though it does not feel squishy at all to me.
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    Thanks for the feedback Huckleberry. I think I'll give one a try here soon.


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    ERGON - I am involved in long rides, sometimes 12-24h, sometimes up to 7 days. Mainly roads and gravel roads. I practice for BB Tour (1050km race). I found that saddles that work for 100km, does not work for 300 km.
    From you description it looks I should aim at Ergon SMC saddle. But maybe for such long rides more firm saddle would work better ?
    All doing more than 16h rides on a bike welcome to commend ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorwald View Post
    ERGON - I am involved in long rides, sometimes 12-24h, sometimes up to 7 days. Mainly roads and gravel roads. I practice for BB Tour (1050km race). I found that saddles that work for 100km, does not work for 300 km.
    From you description it looks I should aim at Ergon SMC saddle. But maybe for such long rides more firm saddle would work better ? All doing more than 16h rides on a bike welcome to commend ?
    You are on the right track. I would suggest the SMC3 for your riding style.

    The SMC3 is a good mixture of comfort and firmness. Personally, this is the saddle I have on my road bike for longer mileage days.

    If you want firmer foam than the SMC3, then look at the SMR3

    Softer? Look at the SCM4

    The SMR3, SMC3, and SMC4 all use the same shell shape and rail technology. Only differences are the foam thicknesses and the inclusion of gel or not.

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    So I'm in the market for a saddle and I've long been interested in Ergon. I think the SMA3 is probably the right choice for me, but I don't know what size. My sit bones measure 13cm . . . right on the cusp of medium and large. Thoughts?
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    You'd be a Medium, as we do not offer the SMA3 or SME3 in size L. These 2 saddle models only come in S and M.

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    The SMA3 only comes in medium and small.

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    I see that Ergon beat me to posting.

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    Hello Jeff,

    Hope you are still checking this thread.

    First off, a little bit of backround about me and my riding. I consider myself a "core" rider you described earlier, riding a 100mm suspension bike from my house to the local trailhead and doing a few laps there (mix of street and trail for a total of 2-2.5 hours) about 3-4 times a week, mostly XC type stuff. Do an occasional XC race here and there so I do like my equipment to be efficient. Being, 125lbs, I've found that saddles that are too firm do not work well at all for me as I barely feel the padding on my bony butt.

    So, is there really much difference between the SMC3 comp and SMC4 comp gel and is it just as efficient feeling? I'm looking for a bit more sit bone comfort and soft tissue relief without losing the efficient feel of the SMC3. BTW, I believe my position is correct for me and have employed many of the tips you mentioned about not positioning the saddle too far back or too high and having the mid part of the saddle about a degree nose down. Thanks in advance for any input!

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    The SMC3 sounds like the best option for you. The SMC4 is definitely more comfort oriented with gel, softer deeper foam, and a much deeper relief channel. Overall, the SMC4 is the heavier of the 3 mtb saddles.

    Your sitbone width will also dictate which saddle you can ride....
    SMR3: S, M, L
    SMC3: S, M, L
    SMC4: M, L
    If you match to a size S, the SMC4 is out as an option.

    The SMC3 is our balance of sport and comfort. Not too soft, not too firm.

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    Thanks very much for the input Jeff. I'll keep my SMC3 for now and perhaps look into the SMC4 some time in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    The SMC3 sounds like the best option for you. The SMC4 is definitely more comfort oriented with gel, softer deeper foam, and a much deeper relief channel. Overall, the SMC4 is the heavier of the 3 mtb saddles.

    Your sitbone width will also dictate which saddle you can ride....
    SMR3: S, M, L
    SMC3: S, M, L
    SMC4: M, L
    If you match to a size S, the SMC4 is out as an option.

    The SMC3 is our balance of sport and comfort. Not too soft, not too firm.
    Is Ergon steering the SMC4 more towards hybrid and comfort-style bikes and bike riders. I'm imagining the riders who like an upright and casual ride on plush saddles?

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    Try and find a shop that lets you demo a saddle. as the saying goes there is an ass for every seat.... Mine didnt like the ergon sm3 i purchased. due to the edges of the sale and its flat profile. I like more cushion and went with the chromag trail master dt. I LOVE IT !

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    Quote Originally Posted by JNKER View Post
    Is Ergon steering the SMC4 more towards hybrid and comfort-style bikes and bike riders.
    Yes, the SMC4 is more aimed at the comfort rider; whether that be commuting, recreational, or casual mtb. We have a more comfort / fitness saddle coming in 2017 that will be aimed at the every day cyclist; commuter, rec path rider, etc.

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    I Just installed a medium SME3 and noticed there's a lot of play where the rails enter the rear portion of the frame. I feel the play with my fingers when i wiggle/flex the rear of the saddle. Is this normal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mobilenemo View Post
    I Just installed a medium SME3 and noticed there's a lot of play where the rails enter the rear portion of the frame. I feel the play with my fingers when i wiggle/flex the rear of the saddle. Is this normal?
    I installed an SME3-S a few weeks ago. No play.

    It's really comfy though. I forgot it's there after the first two days or so when it needed some breaking in.
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    Just wanted to say how much i like the Ergon saddles. I have an SMR3 on my fat bike and an SR3 on my road bike. Great, great saddles!

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    No, this is not normal. Saddle should be 100% solid on the rails. Please return the saddle to your local Ergon retailer which the saddle was purchased from.

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    Just to be clear, the play occurs where the rail enters the saddle's frame/shell.

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    I circled the area in red where the play occurs.

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    I'm considering a change to an Ergon saddle, but am unsure which model. A little about me..

    I mainly ride trail in the Midwest. Lots of up & down, but nothing extended. Lots of rocks & roots. I gravitate toward longer rides & races (up to 12hrs), and ride a short travel (100-120mm) full suspension XC bike. I weigh 195lb.

    I'm thinking SMR3 or SMC3, but looking for an educated opinion.

    Thanks!

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    Both the SMR3 and SMC3 use the exact same shell shape. The difference falls within the foam and foam shape.

    The SMR3 is bred as a xc and marathon race saddle, so the foam is thinner and firmer. The center relief channel is also not very deep.

    The SMC3 is a more "every day" mtb saddle. Versus the SMR3, the foam is a tad thicker and softer. The center relief channel also gets deeper.

    If you like firm and flat saddles, go SMR3. If you are seeking more comfort or a generally softer performance saddle, go SMC3.

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    I'm considering a new saddle. Currently I'm on a WTB Volt size L. What I don't like about it is its huge size in the back, making it difficult to get around (sides and back) when my seat's dropped. It also feels like WTB put most of the cushioning on the back, but my pressure points are on the front of the saddle flares (basically, right where graphics on Ergon's site show for MTB), so once I'm ascending for more than like 30 min, my butt starts to go numb. I think it got oversized when I was fitted by a shop. I'm 5'10", 155 lbs, and wear a size medium in basically everything. I've measured my sit bones a few times, I think they're somewhere around 13cm (have measured as high as 14, but may have done it wrong). The riding I do is something around AM/enduro (rocky/rooty descents or flow trails, with fire road climbs).

    I'm thinking of an SMA3, size medium. Sound right?

    PS: recently switched from ODI grips to GE1s. I really like how they fit in my hand, and are rubber at the ends of the bar where the butt of my hand gets hammered in descents. My only complaint is that there is a really minute amount of rotational flex at the end compared to lock-ons, but I can live with that for the extra rubber.

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    Well, I have given the Ergon SME3 a chance and about 100 miles later, and it just doesn't work for me . . . its a medium SME3 Pro with blue accents down the sides. Never crashed and I always stood up to fart. PM me with an offer if interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Well, I have given the Ergon SME3 a chance and about 100 miles later, and it just doesn't work for me . . . its a medium SME3 Pro with blue accents down the sides. Never crashed and I always stood up to fart. PM me with an offer if interested.
    I'm in the same boat with my SMR3... I really wanted to like it... Actually, the sit bones seat nicely, but the other soft tissue areas are no bueno... if I dropped 50 lbs, the saddle would be just right... All bone and no soft tissue at that point...

    Been using 66Sick (SQLab) saddles for a year now and really like how the tender bits levitate... It's a little tough to setup the angle, but lots of adjustments finally got me a sweet spot...

    But yah, if you've got a bony rear, the Ergon saddles will probably feel better...

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    Hey All,

    On post 08-18-2016 of this thread, I asked Jeff if the SMC4 would offer any advantages over the SMC3 for my riding situations. While I have enjoyed the SMC3 for close to two years (it completely eliminated my saddle sore issues and has not broken down whatsoever), I always wished for a bit more sit bone/ soft tissue relief.

    Well, I finally decided to try the SMC4 Comp Gel and have been using it for about three weeks now. Inital impressions are awesome and the saddle has given me exactly the relief I was after. When I first got the saddle, I gave it the thumb test and was worried that it might be a little mushy. After mounting it and riding it, these worries have been unfounded, with no perceived loss of efficiency. Now, the only time I think about my butt is when I realize that I'm no longer thinking about my butt- if that makes any sense.

    FYI the weight of my Comp model is 271 grams on a digital scale. Also, as stated in my earlier post, I weigh 125 lbs with what I consider to be very bony sit bones. Hard saddles have never worked for me in that I feel I'm barely compressing the foam. That said, if you are on the fence about the SMC4, I say...give it a shot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkmeup View Post
    Hey All,

    On post #186 of this thread, I asked Jeff if the SMC4 would offer any advantages over the SMC3 for my riding situations. While I have enjoyed the SMC3 for close to two years (it completely eliminated my saddle sore issues and has not broken down whatsoever), I always wished for a bit more sit bone/ soft tissue relief.

    Well, I finally decided to try the SMC4 Comp Gel and have been using it for about three weeks now. Inital impressions are awesome and the saddle has given me exactly the relief I was after. When I first got the saddle, I gave it the thumb test and was worried that it might be a little mushy. After mounting it and riding it, these worries have been unfounded, with no perceived loss of efficiency. Now, the only time I think about my butt is when I realize that I'm no longer thinking about my butt- if that makes any sense.

    FYI the weight of my Comp model is 271 grams on a digital scale. Also, as stated in my earlier post, I weigh 125 lbs with what I consider to be very bony sit bones. Hard saddles have never worked for me in that I feel I'm barely compressing the foam. That said, if you are on the fence about the SMC4, I say...give it a shot!
    Great info, thanks! I have standardized on the SMR3 saddles, but sometimes they are too hard for my preference and especially on extended road or flat trails where I sit a lot I start to have some discomfort. I'll give the SMC4 a try.
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    @hkmeup - Thanks for your feedback! The SMC4 was the second most popular saddle in the Ergon model line in 2016, just behind the SME3 enduro/all-mountain saddle.

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    Making sense of the Ergon Saddle names:

    FIRST LETTER: (hint ...... it's always S)
    S - S means it's a SADDLE. Specifically, an Ergon Saddle. This is how the underpaid, undertrained, undervalued warehouse worker sends you a saddle instead of a grip when you place your order.

    SECOND LETTER: (where do you ride?)
    M - M is for MOUNTAIN. SM means it's a Saddle designed for Mountain Biking.
    F - F is for FITNESS. Yup, you might find the SFC3 while googling around for deals. Not sure why all biking isn't fitness though. This seems geared toward everything from spin bikes to e-bikes to beach cruisers.
    R - R is for ROAD. With one caveat. RX is for ....... CYCLOCROSS. But also for "road" riders who like gravel roads. Or generally, just roadies who aren't d***s.

    THIRD LETTER: (now it gets vague, but helpful, but sometimes not helpful)
    C - C is for COMFORT. Curious though, that's everyone's goal. To find a comfortable saddle, right? These ones have a bit juicier padding and a deeper love channel.
    A - A is for ALL MOUNTAIN. I think in their minds, this is basically most folks who just likes riding bikes and want to make sure a painful ass and a numb wanker aren't major issues. This is the medium in the ass padding department.
    E - E is for ENDURO. That's why E is the most popular. It's also causing a ton of confusion because some people think of enduro as a 50k sufferfest of uphill XC racing with a bit of DH in between climbs, while other people think of enduro as a casual day of no-hurry climbing with an emphasis on having plenty of energy for the rowdy downhills. So really, the Enduro saddles are harder, and more roadie like, and don't come in Large widths. Because it's really an ENDURO RACING saddle. Emphasis on "I'm a racer, not a p***y"

    THE NUMBER: (numbers sell well, everyone wants a number)
    3 - This seems entirely arbitrary. Apparently the number 3 means "It's aimed at people who the general public would easily recognize as 'cyclists'. And just having a few random letters in the name seemed weak so we added a number."
    2 - Someone at Ergon decided that downhillers aren't really cyclists. They get a lower ranking since they don't really use the saddle for it's intended purpose. They wanted to have an H here since downhillers really use the saddle as a third handle. But marketing demanded a number. So 2, because downhill is THE SHIT.
    4 - Take a comfort oriented saddle and add one more level of padding to it. That's how you get from 3 to 4. It's a juicy number. It's a heavy number. It's for fat people. Germans and Americans mostly.
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    Hi, all.
    In terms of firmness, if we assume smr3 as 10, what rank would you give to smc3? I ride xc-type bike about 3-5 times per week, mostly 20-40km (without pad) per day, and, sometimes, 60-100km per day (with pad). Mostly with backpack. My weight is about 80-90kg. Would you suggest smc3 or smr3 saddle for my riding style? I think about smc3, but I'm afraid to make a mistake with firmness.
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    @ERGON, what are the differences between your SR and SRX saddles? They look identical, and I'm really enjoying my SR3. I'm just curious if I'd even notice a difference switching to the CX-specific saddle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreviuz View Post
    Hi, all.
    In terms of firmness, if we assume smr3 as 10, what rank would you give to smc3? I ride xc-type bike about 3-5 times per week, mostly 20-40km (without pad) per day, and, sometimes, 60-100km per day (with pad). Mostly with backpack. My weight is about 80-90kg. Would you suggest smc3 or smr3 saddle for my riding style? I think about smc3, but I'm afraid to make a mistake with firmness.
    SMR3 = 10
    SMC3 = 7
    SMC4 = 5

    Based on what you described, I would look at the SMC3 Series

    Hope this helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaalgorn View Post
    @ERGON, what are the differences between your SR and SRX saddles? They look identical, and I'm really enjoying my SR3. I'm just curious if I'd even notice a difference switching to the CX-specific saddle.
    The SR3 is our road saddle, so it uses the same shell as found on our SMR3, SMC3, and SMC4. It has a defined sitting area and a longer nose. It's also pretty firm, similar to our SMR3

    The SRX3 is our CX saddle, also a favorite among gravel riders. The SRX3 shares the same shell as our SME3 and SMA3 (enduro and all-mtn saddles). These saddles, while also having a defined sitting area, offer a shorter nose, rounded off edges, and more organic shape. These feature are found on these saddle due to the amount of on/off the bike as well as the rider moving around on and above the saddle.

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    Here is a breakdown of the current Ergon saddle line for 2017

    SFC3 - Fitness, Commuting, Leisure, e-bikes
    SMR3 - MTB, XC, Marathon
    SMC3 - Comfort, MTB
    SMC4 - Comfort, MTB, Gel
    SME3 - Enduro, Enduro race
    SMA3 - All-Mountain, Enduro, Backcountry riding on long travel bikes
    SMD2 - Downhill
    SR3 - Road race, Road
    SRX3 - CX, gravel

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGON View Post
    Here is a breakdown of the current Ergon saddle line for 2017

    SFC3 - Fitness, Commuting, Leisure, e-bikes
    SMR3 - MTB, XC, Marathon
    SMC3 - Comfort, MTB
    SMC4 - Comfort, MTB, Gel
    SME3 - Enduro, Enduro race
    SMA3 - All-Mountain, Enduro, Backcountry riding on long travel bikes
    SMD2 - Downhill
    SR3 - Road race, Road
    SRX3 - CX, gravel
    Is there a significant difference in padding quality/feel on say the SR3 standard with High Performance Comfort Foam vs the SR3 Pro with Orthopedic High Performance EVA Foam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tclay View Post
    Is there a significant difference in padding quality/feel on say the SR3 standard with High Performance Comfort Foam vs the SR3 Pro with Orthopedic High Performance EVA Foam.
    Orthopedic High Performance EVA Foam has a longer shelf life, ie: doesn't break down. It retains its shape whether its 1 year old or 8 years old. Also, this foam is what is often found in high end running shoes. It's is design to take impact and rebound back to its original intended shape. This higher end foam is most noticeable on longer rides.

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    I picked up an SMA3, and have been quite happy with it so far on a handful of ~2 hour rides. It's firm but not too hard. The wing/nose shape seem to lend themselves well to shifting forward when pedaling uphill. I really like the flat/tapered tail for getting behind it going downhill (as opposed to a WTB whale tail). I haven't had any feeling of shorts hanging up on it yet. Channel depth seems adequate, as I haven't had any numbing going on.

    My only complaint is that the black paint on the TiNox rails wore off from my shorts rubbing against them on literally the first ride.

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    I've got 1400 miles on an Ergon SME3 Pro Carbon and other than the paint wearing off in places, it has been fantastic. No other signs of wear and I'm comfortable on it regardless of ride length (usually between three and seven hours). I'd buy it again.

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    This is an amazing thread! love all the information and real world user reviews, all of which has forced me to spend hours at work searching for different deals on Ergon seats.

    I'm torn between the:

    (1)SMC4
    (2)SMA3
    (3)SMC3

    The terrain I ride is fireroad up and DH down on a 160mm AM, 175-180lbs with gear and 1-2 hrs ride 3-4 times a week.


    Any additional thoughts or insight before I pull the trigger on option 1 or 2?

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    @Ergon: How would you describe the difference between the various price points within each saddle model? Is it just rail material, or do other parts of the saddle use different materials that might affect comfort or longevity and durability? In other words, if I get the most base model, will it ride differently or hold up differently than the "pro" model?
    -no name (i.e. SMA3)
    -Sport
    -Comp
    -Pro
    -Pro Titanium
    -Pro Carbon
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