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    Crank Brothers Kronolog Adjustable Seatpost

    The Kronolog is official now...

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    BTW, whatever happened to the AMP Adjustable seatpost?
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    Looks SWEET!

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    Looks good, sounds good. Are the internals up to speed yet? Joplin didn't actually hold up against the elements in Norway.

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    Everything CB makes, breaks. I dont understand why they're still a market player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    Standing by for all the CBs haters in 3...2....1..............
    Dont you ever wonder why theres SO many cb haters? They just make bad products, or mediocre products at 10x the cost of everyone elses mediocre stuff.

    Their CS saves them.. if you couldnt return 15 broken cb products a year, they'd have nothing going for them

    A friend just broke his second set of CB pedals for the year.. last year he warrantied a whole mess of them. CB doesnt seem to like to make products that actually work, or last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    Dont you ever wonder why theres SO many cb haters? They just make bad products, or mediocre products at 10x the cost of everyone elses mediocre stuff.

    Their CS saves them.. if you couldnt return 15 broken cb products a year, they'd have nothing going for them

    Someone I know said it really well: "eggbreakers are the best disposable pedals on the market"
    There's also the fact that they have a long history of taking an apple/i-product "form over function" approach to design; that's a nice way of saying it... it sure looks like they employ more artists than engineers.


    This new post, it looks like they've addressed a couple nice things, such as the cable going to a fixed point, and what looks like anti-rotation flat sides of the inner section, but given CB's history, I'm going to need several years of stellar reviews before I consider buying anything from them again.


    With all the new entries in the dropper post market, it seems like they should either start getting a lot better, or cheaper; but it doesn't really seem like either is happening.

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    Looks like it has a couple novel and smart design features that may advance the technology. I like that the cable attaches at the bottom of the post, down by the seat clamp..... but the penalty for that is about 2" of 'Stuff' down there that's not going to allow me to slam the seat all the way down against the clamp. This won't work for my AM/FR bike which already has a long seat tube. It'd probably be OK on my Trail/AM bike....but still not ideal.

    Flat sides! Now why didn't I think about that. Sometimes simple solutions are better.

    Here's a short review bikemag.com posted on their FB page.


    I know CB gets a bad rap for reliability (and it may be deserved) but my Joplin 4 has been very reliable (so far) and I've never had any major problems with CB pedals. I'm the outlier I guess.
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    I think this post looks great, and though CB doesn't have the best rep out there, this is the best looking dropper out now IMO. I have no experience with anything CB but many of my friends have. Years ago they seem to be constantly going through pedals but in the last 2 years I have not seen any of them have pedals that fail. So maybe they have improved things? I personally am not ready to shoot it down yet.

    I don't have the 7 inches of exposed seatpost to make this thing fit (I have about 6 1/2 inches exposed) but they said it can be shimmed down. Which I think makes more sense than offering 3 or 4 different lengths, just offer one that can be lowered if needed. Depending on how the Kind Shock LEV looks and when it comes out I might be picking up one of these pretty soon.

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    After watching the youtube vid, I love the design, makes a ton of sense. Still a little leery of quality after all of the disastrous reviews of the joplin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTSession View Post
    $300!, Jesum crowe.
    $300 is middle of the range as far as dropper posts go.

    As someone who has been putting off getting an adjustable seatpost because of reliability concerns, the mechanical action certainly sounds a lot more sensible. They have to take a lot more weight than a fork stanchion while being a lot lower diameter.

    Will have to decided if I feel like being a guinea pig this time. Any idea when it will hit stores?

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    I was actually waiting for the KS Lev to ship to stores until I heard about Kronolog. I might go with Kronolog because it's about $100 less, they have a better customer service IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    Everything CB makes, breaks. I dont understand why they're still a market player.
    SEEEE! I knew you couldn't resist! Hell, you even have "hate" in your avatar...

    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    Dont you ever wonder why theres SO many cb haters? They just make bad products, or mediocre products at 10x the cost of everyone elses mediocre stuff.

    Their CS saves them.. if you couldnt return 15 broken cb products a year, they'd have nothing going for them

    A friend just broke his second set of CB pedals for the year.. last year he warrantied a whole mess of them. CB doesnt seem to like to make products that actually work, or last.
    I have tons of their products and they have all held up well to my abuse. They only time I had to send something in was when I broke it while trying to modify it.

    Quote Originally Posted by TylerDCA View Post
    After watching the youtube vid, I love the design, makes a ton of sense. Still a little leery of quality after all of the disastrous reviews of the joplin.
    Dude tell me which dropper post hasn't had any kind of problems. I read bad $h!t about all of them everywhere on these forums. I've had the Joplin and the 4, and both worked fine for me over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezwhip View Post
    The Kronolog is official now...

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    Crankbrothers Kronolog - YouTube

    BTW, whatever happened to the AMP Adjustable seatpost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    Dont you ever wonder why theres SO many cb haters? They just make bad products, or mediocre products at 10x the cost of everyone elses mediocre stuff.

    Their CS saves them.. if you couldnt return 15 broken cb products a year, they'd have nothing going for them

    A friend just broke his second set of CB pedals for the year.. last year he warrantied a whole mess of them. CB doesnt seem to like to make products that actually work, or last.
    for every cb hater there is a cb lover. my cb colbat stem has been awesome, my acids hve been great. i did bend a eb but when you are bashing xc pedals against rocks what do you expect? ill be interested to see how the new post holds up.

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    when is cannondale going to step up and make a dropper post using lefty tech/
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    I know the joplins might have the worst track record in class, but this *looks* like a much, much better design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerebroside View Post

    Will have to decided if I feel like being a guinea pig this time. Any idea when it will hit stores?
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    Quote Originally Posted by saturnine View Post
    when is cannondale going to step up and make a dropper post using lefty tech/
    What, so the bearings can migrate and damper leak? I'd try the Clank Brothers before a Cannondale product featuring Lefty technology.

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    true story:

    my local performance bike has cut me off from returning cb pedals. 3 this year, 9 last year. What can I say, I love to ride!

    be interesting to see this post in action!

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    Wow, deja-vu... Personally i'd rather have one of these:


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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    Wow, deja-vu... Personally i'd rather have one of these:

    WOW!
    what year did we set the Way Back machine to for that trip down memory lane???
    I actually remember when those were 'hi-tech'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by reformed roadie View Post
    WOW!
    what year did we set the Way Back machine to for that trip down memory lane???
    I actually remember when those were 'hi-tech'...
    '89 I think!

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    Thinkin' about giving a Kronolog a try, that or the Giant...I'd like the Kronolog more for $200...gotta be a group buy somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaightlabs View Post
    Thinkin' about giving a Kronolog a try, that or the Giant...I'd like the Kronolog more for $200...gotta be a group buy somewhere?
    you want a discount on a product that isn't even out yet? the reverb has been out for years and you'd be lucky to find it for $250 or less (new).
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    Any ideas on what saddle that was in the video?
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    kronolog? IKEA.
    name-mocking aside, i've had no prob w/cb products. that being said, i've had dropper posts and would rather spend my money elsewhere on my bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saturnine View Post
    when is cannondale going to step up and make a dropper post using lefty tech/
    Headshok bearings is just overkill for this application and requires a very long post to acheive the amount of travel common in the market. Who needs supple respone on a seatposy? And a boot is absolutely mandatory...

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    Looks pretty promising to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saturnine View Post
    you want a discount on a product that isn't even out yet? the reverb has been out for years and you'd be lucky to find it for $250 or less (new).
    Yes. That's just me - that's my pain threshold for an unproven dropper. I know - I can want into one hand and poop into the other and see which one fills up faster....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hssp View Post
    Headshok bearings is just overkill for this application and requires a very long post to acheive the amount of travel common in the market. Who needs supple respone on a seatposy? And a boot is absolutely mandatory...
    i was getting at their stanchion design that doesn't seem to develop play like a typical dropper post
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    This looks interesting... better wait a few months though. I wonder if you can under-sling the lever, it is dangerously exposed?

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    I find haters interesting. You find them in all walks of life and on lots of topics. They perpetuate ideas that usually are not their own or borne of their own experiences. I have lots of Crank Brothers products. I have 3 sets of wheels, Iodine's on my trail bike, Opium's on my DH bike and a pair of Sage; 3 pairs of bars, 2 alum. and 1 carbon; 2 pairs of pedals; 3" and 4" Joplin post; Iodine stem; baseline gear bag and the 19 funct.multi-tool. I am 190 lbs and I ride aggressively on rocky terrain primarily in the Phoenix area but I do travel to ride as well. I have been riding MTB for over 20 years. I raced BMX for many years and rode motocross for over 20 years. I am very qualifed bike mechanic as I have been doing for even longer. ALL THAT SAID, THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE HAD WITH ANY CRANK BROTHERS PRODUCT WAS A BAD FREE WHEEL. And, their warranty department was stellar in getting me a new one. I have had WAY more problems with Mavic and other hubs and just try to get their warranty dept. on the phone. I am rambling on because I hate to see small companies get bashed because of haters perpetuating rumor. People have all kinds of problems with all kinds of MTB products. It's a sport that is tough on the equipment. However, you don't hear about people bashing other component companies for the sake of bashing. Don't be a simpleton and speak of others' experiences you heard about from a friends' brothers' cousins' neighbor. Speak of your own experience. If you choose to purchase a Crank Brothers product and compare it to comparable items in it's class, I think you'll be as stoked as I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joules View Post
    There's also the fact that they have a long history of taking an apple/i-product "form over function" approach to design; that's a nice way of saying it... it sure looks like they employ more artists than engineers.
    Every Apple product I've had has been both beautifully designed and EXTREMELY functional.
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    Nope. Not me. I am a CB hayta. Will never own a product. I won't try and deny my disdain, and am probably bashing for the sake of bashing. Hate on that if you like.

    I am interested less in haters and more in the psychology of folks who are so trusting. Trusting isn't bad...I just find it hard to trust a company like CB, even if they have good service. Good service does not equal well-engineered products. Trek also has great CS (meaning that they frequently warranty broken frames). I won't buy their stuff anymore because it breaks. I don't want an updated warranty model...I want the product I buy to last under reasonable use.

    EVERY SINGLE person I know has broken a CB product at some point. Pedals are most common, but those dropper posts have always been a failing prodcut in my experience. Sure, they can be fixed and they have a great warranty and customer service, BUT...man. For my money, the time and hassle spent messing with broken pedals and seatposts just ain't worth it.

    I will keep my Shimano pedals and Thomson post. Old faithful.
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    I have to say I like the look of the Kronolog. But there is one "but":
    Does the inner tube have small grooves in it? It sure looks that way to me, and if so: Doesn't that mean that dirt will collect in these grooves and be transported into the internals of the post every time it is lowered?



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    Quote Originally Posted by langen View Post
    I have to say I like the look of the Kronolog. But there is one "but":
    Does the inner tube have small grooves in it? It sure looks that way to me, and if so: Doesn't that mean that dirt will collect in these grooves and be transported into the internals of the post every time it is lowered?
    I don't think so. Not sure what you're looking at in the picture you posted but the things that look like grooves in the side facing us aren't grooves. That side is rounded. The other two sides are flat (and smooth) if I'm understanding the descriptions and pictures correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I don't think so. Not sure what you're looking at in the picture you posted but the things that look like grooves in the side facing us aren't grooves. That side is rounded. The other two sides are flat (and smooth) if I'm understanding the descriptions and pictures correctly.
    they sure look like grooves/notches to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by langen View Post
    I have to say I like the look of the Kronolog. But there is one "but":
    Does the inner tube have small grooves in it? It sure looks that way to me, and if so: Doesn't that mean that dirt will collect in these grooves and be transported into the internals of the post every time it is lowered?
    The white strip is used for the latching/clamping mechanism that holds the post up at the desired height. I'm sure it's not air/water tight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'size View Post
    they sure look like grooves/notches to me.
    Oh. Those horizontal grooves. Hmm. Yeah, might be an issue.

    On a closer inspection.... there are slight vertical grooves on the corner where the rounded edge meets the flat edge too. I guess if they make the outer tube and seals the same shape it shouldn't be too much of an issue. Still can't imagine it sealing as well as a simple round tube.
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    5 years on the same set of Acids, 4 years on the same set of 5050's, zero problems with either of them. 200+ days of riding a year in the Sierras and Northern Nevada, not the most forgiving landscape...I guess I just got lucky, or I make up sh!t on the internet too gain mythical respect from other idiots...one of the two.

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    I'l probably suck it up and get one. It'll be my first dropper and if/when it breaks i can ride the thomson while it gets repaired/replaced. Breaks more than once in 2 seasons and the second replacement goes on ebay...

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    Just went to my LBS to put a deposit on one. They are gonna order it in the morning as long as they can get their hands on one. Will post up a review after I take it out a few times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Oh. Those horizontal grooves. Hmm. Yeah, might be an issue.

    On a closer inspection.... there are slight vertical grooves on the corner where the rounded edge meets the flat edge too. I guess if they make the outer tube and seals the same shape it shouldn't be too much of an issue. Still can't imagine it sealing as well as a simple round tube.
    that's another issue, the outer seal is round and expected to form to the shape of the inner post, which it can never do completely. i'm not saying it will be an issue but it's not ideal imo.

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    Even if they don't hit it out of the park with this one, I think it's a step in the right direction, getting away from hydraulic and going to mechanical.

    Also, by looking at the picture, it doesn't look to me like they just 'squeezed' a round seal on to that stanchion. It looks to me like they actually manufactured a seal with two flat sides that mates up with the stanchion.
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    The base of the seal is round. I'd say it's a round seal.

    I like the idea of a mechanical dropper and this looks pretty nice. I haven't joined the seat dropper crowd yet but think I might sometime this summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    Even if they don't hit it out of the park with this one, I think it's a step in the right direction, getting away from hydraulic and going to mechanical.
    I Absolutely agree. The concept and principle of operation hold much promise.

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    SOME GOOD NEWS for Joplin owners! I emailed CB and asked if I could get some credit for my J4 that keeps breaking! This is the reply:

    Hello,


    Thank you for your e-mail and interest in crankbrothers.


    Our new Kronolog post will only become available towards the end of March/beginning of April as we have a lot of pre orders to fill with some of our dealers.


    We will also be offering an upgrade program if you were interested in trading in your Joplin post for one of our new Kronolog posts. This is also something that will only become available in a few months from now when the posts become more readily available. We have also not determined the upgrade price, so check back in a few months from now and I'm sure we'll have more information regarding this.


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    Hopefully its a pretty good trade in discount!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgermtb View Post
    Nope. Not me. I am a CB hayta. Will never own a product. I won't try and deny my disdain, and am probably bashing for the sake of bashing. Hate on that if you like.

    I am interested less in haters and more in the psychology of folks who are so trusting. Trusting isn't bad...I just find it hard to trust a company like CB, even if they have good service. Good service does not equal well-engineered products. Trek also has great CS (meaning that they frequently warranty broken frames). I won't buy their stuff anymore because it breaks. I don't want an updated warranty model...I want the product I buy to last under reasonable use.

    EVERY SINGLE person I know has broken a CB product at some point. Pedals are most common, but those dropper posts have always been a failing prodcut in my experience. Sure, they can be fixed and they have a great warranty and customer service, BUT...man. For my money, the time and hassle spent messing with broken pedals and seatposts just ain't worth it.

    I will keep my Shimano pedals and Thomson post. Old faithful.
    Badger, you don't like CB. Got it. Also got that your opinion is not based on your experience but on that of others. Everyone you know has broken a CB product. Sounds realistic... Also, don't know why you're referring to trust in your post. I spoke only of my experience with their products, unlike you. That is not trust. However, I now have trust in CB based on my experience. Also, if you would, please post the name of the dropper posts out there that never had a problem, especially in the first or second generation. BTW, I am a UW grad so I, too, am a Badger. Take care.

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