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    Quote Originally Posted by 'size View Post
    that's another issue, the outer seal is round and expected to form to the shape of the inner post, which it can never do completely. i'm not saying it will be an issue but it's not ideal imo.
    The base of the outer seal is round since the lower post is round, but take a closer look at the seal (the part sticking up) it self. It does indeed contour the shape of the telescoping part of the post.

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    Separating this post from my above comment because it is not directed at anyone in particular.

    The posters of this site at times seem to be all knowing of stuff they havent used. I am not saying this post will not break, maybe it will. Other than the pictures and videos I have seen on the internet I have no experience with this seat post. I personally wont being trying it anytime soon as I already have a reliable mechanical dropper post. But if my post fails this post does sound promising at the very least it's a step in the right direction.

    I just find it silly that when new products come out it is either the next coming of christ (ex. Yeti SB-66) or absolut sh*t (ex. this seatpost), and all of this is determind from some pictures or words seen on your computer screen.
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    Looks nice but i wish it had some offset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devin's Dad View Post
    Badger, you don't like CB. Got it. Also got that your opinion is not based on your experience but on that of others. Everyone you know has broken a CB product. Sounds realistic... Also, don't know why you're referring to trust in your post. I spoke only of my experience with their products, unlike you. That is not trust. However, I now have trust in CB based on my experience. Also, if you would, please post the name of the dropper posts out there that never had a problem, especially in the first or second generation. BTW, I am a UW grad so I, too, am a Badger. Take care.
    Am I The Only One Who Is Breaking Crank Bros. Pedals Constantly?

    3 pages of people busting tons and tons of CB pedals. It happens extremely frequently, I dont know how people can deny it.

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    Needs a foam seal on the inside (perhaps there is one?)
    If not, water and dirt can get past the rubber seal, no doubt.
    According to fox it's good practice to turn the bike upside-down for about 15' once every week to lubricate the fork seals.
    Would be useful for the seatpost to get rid of the water inside...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devin's Dad View Post
    Badger, you don't like CB. Got it. Also got that your opinion is not based on your experience but on that of others. Everyone you know has broken a CB product. Sounds realistic... Also, don't know why you're referring to trust in your post. I spoke only of my experience with their products, unlike you. That is not trust. However, I now have trust in CB based on my experience. Also, if you would, please post the name of the dropper posts out there that never had a problem, especially in the first or second generation. BTW, I am a UW grad so I, too, am a Badger. Take care.
    Well...you are correct. My opinion is based on my experience...not using their products (correct), but watching my friends deal with their broken CB prodcuts. I am too scared to even try the CB stuff. The cost to potential frustration ratio is just too much for me. Just my choice based on my experiences watching friends.

    Really...not trying to be exceptional or cause a scene, but every single person I know who has owned a CB prodcut has experienced a failure of some sort. No kidding. Not trying to be dramatic.

    Not sure I mentioned anything about any other dropper posts? Mine is a Thomson...with a QR seat clamp. No problemo! ;-)

    I guess that I shouldn't have derailed the thread with my comment about trust. I don't even know what I was trying to get at other than making a comment about how I cannot trust a company with their reputation for failed products. It would be different if the failures were for one year, or relegated to one particular model. But they aren't. Every year. Many seatposts' and many pedals' designs.

    I do like how their prodcuts look, though. I just don't trust them and therefore won't buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    SOME GOOD NEWS for Joplin owners! I emailed CB and asked if I could get some credit for my J4 that keeps breaking! This is the reply:

    Hello,


    Thank you for your e-mail and interest in crankbrothers.


    Our new Kronolog post will only become available towards the end of March/beginning of April as we have a lot of pre orders to fill with some of our dealers.


    We will also be offering an upgrade program if you were interested in trading in your Joplin post for one of our new Kronolog posts. This is also something that will only become available in a few months from now when the posts become more readily available. We have also not determined the upgrade price, so check back in a few months from now and I'm sure we'll have more information regarding this.


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    Hopefully its a pretty good trade in discount!!!
    Damn, thanks for sharing. Looks like I might be in the market for two of these things then. One to replace my wife's Joplin and one for my dropper-less bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by e-luder View Post
    The base of the outer seal is round since the lower post is round, but take a closer look at the seal (the part sticking up) it self. It does indeed contour the shape of the telescoping part of the post.

    Exactly. It looks to me like if you held the seal in your hand and held it up and looked through it, it would be shaped like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    SOME GOOD NEWS for Joplin owners! I emailed CB and asked if I could get some credit for my J4 that keeps breaking! This is the reply:

    Hello,


    Thank you for your e-mail and interest in crankbrothers.


    Our new Kronolog post will only become available towards the end of March/beginning of April as we have a lot of pre orders to fill with some of our dealers.


    We will also be offering an upgrade program if you were interested in trading in your Joplin post for one of our new Kronolog posts. This is also something that will only become available in a few months from now when the posts become more readily available. We have also not determined the upgrade price, so check back in a few months from now and I'm sure we'll have more information regarding this.


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    Hopefully its a pretty good trade in discount!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    SOME GOOD NEWS for Joplin owners! I emailed CB and asked if I could get some credit for my J4 that keeps breaking! This is the reply:

    Hello,


    Thank you for your e-mail and interest in crankbrothers.


    Our new Kronolog post will only become available towards the end of March/beginning of April as we have a lot of pre orders to fill with some of our dealers.


    We will also be offering an upgrade program if you were interested in trading in your Joplin post for one of our new Kronolog posts. This is also something that will only become available in a few months from now when the posts become more readily available. We have also not determined the upgrade price, so check back in a few months from now and I'm sure we'll have more information regarding this.


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    Hopefully its a pretty good trade in discount!!!
    Ive had a Joplin for about 6 months and I would certainly be interested in some kind of upgrade program. Cant say Im a huge fan of it so far. Ive never owned another CB product so I cant comment on anything but my own experience. The Joplin seat clamp design is my biggest issue, as the angle of my seat is ever-changing while on a ride. No matter how tight I get the bolt. After talking with someone at CB, who advised me to grease the cups of the seat clamp, it helped a bit, but still moves around ocassionally.

    Lately the Joplin has developed some vertical play at the top of its travel. Maybe about an inch or so. But not always. Ill be out on a ride, and it will be moving up and down. Then 20 minutes later, without making any adjustments, it is solid again. I really dont get it.

    Anyways, tl;dr version: not a fan of the Joplin. I hope that the Kronolog is better and they offer a good upgrade program.

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    I wonder if that silver plate that has the horizontal notching in it is made of steel and if it is replaceable. Seems like the locking rings would eventually mark it or chew it up. Or maybe that's the purpose of it: to take the abuse that softer aluminum wouldn't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I wonder if that silver plate that has the horizontal notching in it is made of steel and if it is replaceable. Seems like the locking rings would eventually mark it or chew it up. Or maybe that's the purpose of it: to take the abuse that softer aluminum wouldn't?
    It must be steel, hopefully replaceable. Aluminum would not last.

    I speculate the locking rings, and silver plate will wear over time causing fore/aft play to develop, whatever it's made of. This interface also seems like an inner post contamination problem waiting to happen.
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    So my LBS called Crankbrothers today and they said that they are only being distributed by Highway Two. They should arrive in the states late March or early april. Hopefully I'll get mine sooner rather than later. As I said earlier will post up my early experience with it when I get it. Keeping my fingers crossed it will be good.

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    People complaining about the seal: Remember it is a mechanical post, not hydraulic.

    Unless enough crap gets through to jam the mechanism it should work (though perhaps not well) even if it is half full of dirt/water/whatever. The fact that it even has a seal should prevent any real problems.
    Even the damper probably doesn't need a great seal, since it's not keeping your weight up, just preventing unwanted genital injury.

    Obviously its tolerance of abuse is going to depend on the internal design and tolerances, but I'm crossing my fingers that the designers are not complete morons.

    Edit: Wait, its air sprung? Well disregard the above then. Still interested though.
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    Crank Brother products sucks balls ......

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    Beware of the composite bridge that is used to keep the seat rails apart. It is very easy to bend and snap if it is not perfectly in the centre. I wonder why CB didn't use an alloy bridge like on the rest of their posts....

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    Wow, deja-vu... Personally i'd rather have one of these:

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    Yes, their track record hasn't been promising, but until this is tried and tested over time, this is all conjecture? It looks like an interesting design, lets leave it at that for now. I know Lee Lau can't wait to test one, right Lee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    Am I The Only One Who Is Breaking Crank Bros. Pedals Constantly?

    3 pages of people busting tons and tons of CB pedals. It happens extremely frequently, I dont know how people can deny it.
    Can we separate the CB complaints and the Kronolog discussion? Please? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by martinizer View Post
    Looks nice but i wish it had some offset.
    + 1 : wishing for an offset version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saturnine View Post
    when is cannondale going to step up and make a dropper post using lefty tech/
    Well, Cannondale is pretty much in bed with RockShox. Their Lefty internals are by them, kind of. So, Cannondale will probably just sit behind them.

    The basic idea behind the Lefty (I'm a Lefty fan boy) is just needle bearing running along a tube with flat spots. Zero torsion flex and very little force to get the shock to move. (makes it very plush on high speed small bumps)
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    Does any "insider" know the max insertion length of the post? That would be the measure from the bottom up to the protrusion where the cable enters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Any ideas on what saddle that was in the video?
    I have been wondering about the saddle too. It kind of reminds me of a WTB Silverado but looks to have a way longer nose. Any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PissedOffCil View Post
    Does any "insider" know the max insertion length of the post? That would be the measure from the bottom up to the protrusion where the cable enters.
    According to vitalmtb to get all 5 inches of trail you need 8.75 inches of seat post shooting from the top of your clamp to the bottom of your seat rails.

    And the total post length is 405mm or ~15.9" according to pink bike.

    That leaves ~7.15 inches of post.

    I would say it would be fair to guess that the mechanism takes up about 2" and the seat clamp takes up .75.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PissedOffCil View Post
    Does any "insider" know the max insertion length of the post? That would be the measure from the bottom up to the protrusion where the cable enters.
    Post the question on the mini review that Francis did for this site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joules View Post
    There's also the fact that they have a long history of taking an apple/i-product "form over function" approach to design; that's a nice way of saying it.
    Yeah man. Because Apple products function so poorly. They definitely became the WORLD'S MOST VALUABLE COMPANY this year by producing good looking, poorly functioning products. Eveyone got duped.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pwd81 View Post
    Yeah man. Because Apple products function so poorly. They definitely became the WORLD'S MOST VALUABLE COMPANY this year by producing good looking, poorly functioning products. Eveyone got duped.

    HAHAHA, ya. That's why as a business owner, I only buy mac computers. To look good. Certainly not b/c I don't want to deal with the headaches PC/windows machines provide

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    Quote Originally Posted by snafs View Post
    According to vitalmtb to get all 5 inches of trail you need 8.75 inches of seat post shooting from the top of your clamp to the bottom of your seat rails.

    And the total post length is 405mm or ~15.9" according to pink bike.

    That leaves ~7.15 inches of post.

    I would say it would be fair to guess that the mechanism takes up about 2" and the seat clamp takes up .75.

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    That's pretty much what I measured.


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    crankbrothers - march 2012

    " we designed a post that we believe in." Ouch.



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    Quote Originally Posted by banks View Post
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    " we designed a post that we believe in." Ouch.



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    Quote Originally Posted by banks View Post
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    " we designed a post that we believe in." Ouch.



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    Dampening (vs damping) is correct in this case isn't it? It's reducing the force as it reaches the top of the stroke, not preventing oscillation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerebroside View Post
    Dampening (vs damping) is correct in this case isn't it? It's reducing the force as it reaches the top of the stroke, not preventing oscillation.
    I think you're right about it being correct in this case. I have heard the phrase "dampen the blow", which I guess equates to "soften the impact".
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    Quote Originally Posted by pastajet View Post
    Yes, their track record hasn't been promising, but until this is tried and tested over time, this is all conjecture? It looks like an interesting design, lets leave it at that for now. I know Lee Lau can't wait to test one, right Lee?
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    I'll be one of the early testers if someone can tell me where to buy this thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olis1 View Post
    I'll be one of the early testers if someone can tell me where to buy this thing.
    Me too. I have my LBS trying to source one... we'll see.

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    The Path said they should have them in in a couple days.

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    Let's hope they got it closer this time vs the Joplin. I think CB bought a flawed design with that thing.
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    I just looked at the video of the internals and how they work.

    I have a bit more confidence in the design simulating bar clamps. I would speculate the post would get a bit chewed up over time and use. We'll have to wait and see.

    The good thing is that if the air seal fails, you can just pull the post up manually and it will stay up for your ride out or whatever. Not ideal, but you are not stuck with your seat at half mast the rest of the ride
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    I was thinking about the post getting chewed up too. Not sure how much it would matter as the seals to the piston is on the inner diameter of that post. Don't know what the clearances are to the outside of the post. Would need to see that to judge future issues.

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    They are trying to sell it as "the eggbeater of the seatpost market"? And by that they mean shiny, prone to accidental disengagement and occasional catastrophic failure?

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    If you put that on your Kona, you'll have a stinkylog.

    Has been mentioned,I to am hoping this will at some point be offered with some offset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Richard View Post
    If you put that on your Kona, you'll have a stinkylog.

    Has been mentioned,I to am hoping this will at some point be offered with some offset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    I have a 2012 Reverb for the Honzo. The Stinky doesn't need one.
    I rode with someone on a Honzo last Sunday, so I had a chance to check it out- very nice

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    Mine is paid for and waiting for delivery... coming from a Joplin 4 too so I'll be the guinea pig, I guess =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    Mine is paid for and waiting for delivery... coming from a Joplin 4 too so I'll be the guinea pig, I guess =)
    congrats man! Did you read the email I posted in this thread from Crank Brothers? You are supposed to get a trade in discount on your Joplin! Contact CB, im sure they will still honor this!

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    does anyone know if the spacer limits the extension or the compression?

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    It limits the extension

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    congrats man! Did you read the email I posted in this thread from Crank Brothers? You are supposed to get a trade in discount on your Joplin! Contact CB, im sure they will still honor this!
    Interesting - I'll email them on Monday, thanks for the heads up

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    So anybody actually seen an online vendor selling/pre-selling one of theses? I've searched all of the regular places I buy stuff and even done a general search. I guess they are still trying to fill the preorders but I'd love to get my name on the list somewhere. If not anybody think they be available early in April? Been saving up for a G. Dropper but I think I'll try one of these out because I really like the design and with a 2 year warranty if something is bad in the design that should give them time to resolve the issue. But right now it just looks like a myth. Bigfoot may be easier to find than even a mention of one of these for sale. If they don't show up soon I'll probably just go with a GD because if I don't get it soon the wife and kids will probably just end up taking my little stash of money.

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