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    Moving an injured person can cause massive damage to the nerves and spinal cord of an injured person. The accident was stupid and careless, but not necessarily intentional. The lack of care in moving his victim is heinous with a complete disregard for the well being of an innocent as evidence by dumping him out of sight and it was only chance that got him medical care in time to save his life. In my book, that is attempted first degree murder done as a result of a hit and run, which is often a criminal offense (not sure about Florida's laws on that). The penalty needs to be more than drunk driving and leaving the scene.

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    ^^
    The crowd coming to the defense of the unfortunate cyclist is the silver lining of that ugly cloud.

    An employee (still?) at Yellow Jersey, Madison, WI was hit and went through a windshield into the front seat of a car. She was a martial arts instructor and soon convinced the driver to pull over. Beat the crap out of him. Lucky her head struck below the roof line or that would have been her last ride.

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    I missed this one somehow- heinous is right. Wish I could say "unbelieveable", but unfortunately, it isn`t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianMc View Post
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    The crowd coming to the defense of the unfortunate cyclist is the silver lining of that ugly cloud.
    It looks to me like the crowd is more interrested video than anything else.
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    Yea, Brazil is a pretty awful place to be, very uncivilized. They see lots of death over there, and the first reaction is to film it not render aid.

    As far as the OP goes, throw the book at that eyebrow plucking guido, that should be at LEAST murder 2.

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    ^^ I am talking about the ones who hemmed the driver in and got him stopped. Not the video vultures.

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    This one at least has a good ending and a witness who stepped up.

    Driver allegedly hits cyclist, returns home with victim in windshield

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    Disabled cyclist died 'a cruel death,' family says - Latest Hamilton news - CBC Hamilton

    That was 3 months ago that police admitted they had the vehicle. No arrests.

    Not mentioned in the article is the reason the cyclist was disabled in the first place. Other news articles reported he was also hit by a car that ran stop sign in 2010.
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    Cycling safety: Tom Samson?s widow wants probe into teacher?s death reopened | Toronto Star


    Mildly surprised that story hasn`t been scrubbed from the news website yet...

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    Initially, police told her Samson was struck and killed by a van at 6:43 a.m., after riding his bicycle through a red light in the intersection of Lansdowne Ave. and Davenport Rd. Police also told her he had been riding his bike northbound.

    Sapiano is calling on police and the Crown to reopen the case, now that they’re acknowledging Samson was stationary or near-stationary, waiting to turn left, as he was lawfully obliged to be, when he was rammed from behind.
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    ^^ In Canada, manslaughter charges apply if the death involved a criminal act. Seems to me he can't know he killed the cyclist, so leaving the scene would qualify as a criminal act that caused death. Certainly it prevented sobriety tests and drunk driving resulting in death rules would apply then, so why should he face a more lenient charge if he fled? Or criminal negligence applies. Justice must be seen to be done. It seems like the family's lawyer should sit down with the prosecutor so that the charges levied could be explained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianMc View Post
    ^^ In Canada, manslaughter charges apply if the death involved a criminal act. Seems to me he can't know he killed the cyclist, so leaving the scene would qualify as a criminal act that caused death. Certainly it prevented sobriety tests and drunk driving resulting in death rules would apply then, so why should he face a more lenient charge if he fled? Or criminal negligence applies. Justice must be seen to be done. It seems like the family's lawyer should sit down with the prosecutor so that the charges levied could be explained.
    I think vehiclular homocide would be the correct charge backed up with many other charges

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    At this point the charges are pretty much immaterial compared to the fact that the police blamed the deceased cyclist with running a red light.

    Only after his wife spent thousands on a lawyer to deconstruct the bogus accident report did the police admit that they basically made the whole thing up, and that the cyclist was waiting at a red light when he was run over from behind.

    In that context, it gets pretty hard to believe pretty much anything the cops have said about previous investigations, and all of these studies of cycling accident causation and road safety that we've been analyzing for years suddenly may be based on complete falsifications.
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    ^ The Toronto "Mayor" (and I use that term only because he still has the office) has essentially said that cyclists deserve what they get. So I suspect that filters down. I used to have pretty decent respect for Toronto Police. So maybe the culture can be changed back. Shame it has to be a widow fighting for her dead husband. I imagine that as things stood, his estate (her financials) were put on the block because of the wrongful charge. Talk about kicking you while you are down.

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    A death resulting from criminal act is often considered a homicide. It will be interesting to see if Miami comes through when England did not.

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    ^ Sympathies to Eddies family and friends. It will be interesting to see what charges are brought.

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    If they had not run and tried to dispose of the body, it is unlikely they would have been charged. City prosecutor said that reasonable doubt (that the cyclist caused the accident) would have prevented charges being filed.

    Suspects Await Charges in Cyclist's Death | KRGV.com | CHANNEL 5 NEWS | Breaking News Breaking Stories

    No word on whether the driver was tested for drugs or alcohol. So the fact that rthey appear to be scumbags got them in trouble.

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    ^ How physically? The same as any. How morally when prompt medical attention might save the life her mistake took? That, is an excellent question. Hopefully a blood test was made.

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    How are there not charges filed? Fleeing the scene of any incident is illegal in every state, no matter the type of incident.

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    Somebody needs to put that lady in jail, because they either don't have rehab in Maryland or it hasn't worked.
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    I think this qualifies. The kid might have died for all she knew:

    Woman refuses to help teenager she hit with car, saying the blood would upset her children

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianMc View Post
    I think this qualifies. The kid might have died for all she knew:

    Woman refuses to help teenager she hit with car, saying the blood would upset her children
    Happened to me when I was 12. Driver pulled into a no parking zone immediately after overtaking me, doored me, went into a shop and bought a pack of cigarettes, then stepped over me, said, you'll get over it and drove away. No-one helped me actually and there were a number of witnesses. I had to get home about 7 or 8km with a bent bike and injuries to my leg that took 12 months to come good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridnparadise View Post
    Happened to me when I was 12. Driver pulled into a no parking zone immediately after overtaking me, doored me, went into a shop and bought a pack of cigarettes, then stepped over me, said, you'll get over it and drove away. No-one helped me actually and there were a number of witnesses. I had to get home about 7 or 8km with a bent bike and injuries to my leg that took 12 months to come good.
    Holy ****. That's terrible.
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    I notice alot of these articles avoid the topic of alcohol, but I suspect alcohol is involved in alot of these incidents.

    From my experiences in Northern New Jersey, just about every one who drinks, drives drunk. Very, very few people actually get rides when they go out drinking or get a taxi(not that there are that many taxis here). Combine with this with the fact that the USA is not a moderate drinking culture and there is danger out on the roads. For contrast, my family is from Greece where the traditional culture(which is changing sadly) around drinking is one or two glasses of wine with dinner, plus water for actual hydration. In other words how Greeks traditionally drink is the exact recommendation of how to avoid getting inebriated or how to mitigate your inebriation: eat and drink also non-alcoholic beverages. In USA often people drink with the exact goal of getting drunk. Now if I lived in NYC and not the suburbs of NJ, likely most drinkers would not drive home drunk, but that is only because of how expensive and inconvenient owning a car and finding parking is. Not to mention all the potheads, white persian/cokehead lovers, Erowid crowd out there. So alot of these people likely have a history of driving drunk, on drugs, may have infractions or a record already and when they hit a cyclist or anyone, want to book it to avoid serious jail-time.

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    Maybe there are other "dogs" that those cycling pepper sprays may help with? What is this, the 21st Century version of the caveman and the club? He need to be caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    That was 3 months ago that police admitted they had the vehicle. No arrests.
    So two years later, the driver of the seized pickup must have already had his trial and be well into his sentence for homicide, right?

    Police release video of Michael Sullivan being chased down by truck before death - Latest Hamilton news - CBC Hamilton

    Yeah, just kidding.
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    Wow. "...Beaulieu sped backwards towards Blouin after driving by him on a one-way street. Blouin was struck and run over by the police cruiser."

    Quebec City police officer denies guilt in death of cyclist - Montreal - CBC News

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    Not a cyclist but an example of the Worst sort of driver:

    Driver Who Swerved And Hit A Motorcycle: 'I Don't Care'

    I imagine the public and civil litigation to come will make the driver care a bit more. Witnesses galore.

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    Not so funny any more
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianMc View Post
    Not a cyclist but an example of the Worst sort of driver:

    Driver Who Swerved And Hit A Motorcycle: 'I Don't Care'

    I imagine the public and civil litigation to come will make the driver care a bit more. Witnesses galore.
    He is toast. I'm sure the details are out there but this is local to me and he was arrested and charged with two counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. If it wasn't on video though, nothing would have come of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JACKL View Post
    He is toast. I'm sure the details are out there but this is local to me and he was arrested and charged with two counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. If it wasn't on video though, nothing would have come of it.
    WOW what a royal **** up on so many levels.....

    My initial thoughts were all with the injured woman....

    Whilst I am sure everyone was in shock....

    The correct thing is call 911 ASAP.(or whatever the authorities number is).

    Number two evaluate the injuries...treat as best as possible

    Number three comfort the injured, that means getting down on the ground and talking with them...

    Notice everyone standing around the injured women LOOKING DOWN AT HER.

    Perhaps thenassign someone to track down the offending motorist???

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    Also not cycling related, but:

    Richard Suter's fate in judge's hands - Edmonton - CBC News

    It's now up to Judge Larry Anderson to decide if Richard Suter should go to jail, and if so, for how long.

    People packed an Edmonton courtroom Friday to hear final sentencing arguments for the man who crashed his SUV onto a restaurant patio and killed a little boy. He has pleaded guilty to refusing to provide a breath sample following the crash in May 2013 which killed two-year-old Geo Mounsef...

    Suter, 65, faces a minimum penalty of a $1,000 fine, a maximum punishment of life in prison.

    The defence is asking for a fine plus probation or, if a period of incarceration is imposed, that it be an intermittent sentence of no more than 90 days.

    The Crown prosecutor said Suter should go to prison. He said the evidence shows Suter was impaired at the time of the crash and should get a three-year sentence.
    This is just weird.

    Everyone at the scene (including several police officers) say the guy was clearly drunk - he stank of it, couldn't stand up, couldn't talk. He says he wasn't, but that his wife had said she wanted a divorce, and that was why he drove his SUV into a patio and killed a kid. And then after that he was so upset that he couldn't walk or talk. He did refuse a breathalyser, but his lawyer now takes responsibility for that and says that it was his own mistake and the he shouldn't have advised that.

    This happened back in 2013, and after that the guy was kindapped by people dressed up in tactical gear, and they cut his thumb off and then let him go.

    But I guess what gets to me is the idea that killing someone with your car is only a problem if you're drunk. "Whoops, sorry I crashed into a building and killed your 2 year-old. I'm totally sober btw. See ya." We'll have to see what the judge says.
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    Cyclist killed in Pemberton crash may have been impaired says ICBC - British Columbia - CBC News


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    "The document continues with a variety of other claims, including that Chafe's brakes were possibly faulty and that he might not have been riding legally, staying as close as possible to the road's shoulder."

    The cyclists were riding down a steep, winding hill on the Duffy Lake Road section of Highway 99 when the driver allegedly crossed the centre line and hit them head-on. The collision also killed Chafe's fellow cyclist Kelly Blunden and vehicle passenger Paul Pierre Jr. In August, RCMP charged Alec with a string of offences, including impaired driving causing death, criminal negligence causing death and failure to remain at the scene of an accident."

    Wow. Not much I can add to that one.
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    Wow, stay classy ICBC.

    (For those who don't know, auto insurance in British Columbia is all handled by a government corporation, the ICBC. It is notorious for doing anything it can to avoid responsibility...which I guess all insurance does, but coming from the actual government it always seems extra-gross (with the caveat that I am an Albertan, and am required to look down upon those communists))

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    Wow.
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    Wow,...
    Wow.
    Might as wel make that one unanimous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theprovince.com
    In a statement to The Province issued on Wednesday afternoon, ICBC says it is limited in what it can divulge since court proceedings are ongoing, but that this is a "very tragic incident."

    "To be clear, ICBC is not accusing the cyclist(s) of anything. The third party notice is to flag any possible issues that should be explored as the court process moves ahead.

    "Our intentions are in no way to deny a fair settlement to any deserving party. This is very much part of the standard legal process called the pleadings process. During that time, the defense must lay out any potential scenario which may have occurred so it can be considered as part of the legal process. This must be done at the start of this process in order for all issues to be properly considered," the statement reads.

    "The reason we enter into cases like this, as a third party, is to ensure there is a fulsome defense given so that any settlement given is a fair one. This manages the cost of insurance to all customers. When there is enough evidence or a conviction, we can then look to recover that money if the driver who hit the cyclists was impaired.
    For the sake of the argument, let's take them at their word and assume they are just doing their job here.

    That still means they are proposing a legal scenario in which a bicyclist shares responsibility for an accident for not riding as far left as possible (not practicable, possible) and thus not yielding the usual lane of travel to motor vehicles travelling the WRONG WAY in said lane.

    If a tractor trailer had crossed the centre line and hit Mr. Alec's car head-on, would we be discussing any of these finer points of law, even if the driver was sober and/or remained at the scene? The question answers itself.

    And what's the result of this difference in legal approach to car accidents vs bike accidents?

    Quote Originally Posted by David C. Braganza of Surrey, British Columbia
    You want to ride on the fog line of my lane, then don't complain if you get hit by my mirror.
    David.

    David is the result of this legal approach.
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    ^ what's more ridiculous is that the driver killed two cyclists and I believe hit a third. But 1-out-of-3 cyclists may have been "impaired by alcohol, drugs, fatigue, illness or any combination thereof" so, y'know, it's kindof ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    For the sake of the argument, let's take them at their word and assume they are just doing their job here.
    Sorry, no matter how hard I try I just can`t make that assumtion stick in my mind. My mind sees it as impossible.

    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    ^ what's more ridiculous is that the driver killed two cyclists and I believe hit a third. But 1-out-of-3 cyclists may have been "impaired by alcohol, drugs, fatigue, illness or any combination thereof" so, y'know, it's kindof ok.
    Does it say anywhere how many were not riding as far from the centerline as absolutely possible?
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