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    Both sides have good points. Yes, some laws do nothing to make cyclists safer, and in some cases it's safer to break those laws. Yes, some cyclists are complete f'ing morons with a deathwish and they need to be caught and fined. Impatient, aggressive drivers endanger everybody.

    Driver's education courses need to include more cyclist education to be sure that drivers know how to behave around cyclists and cycling facilities (don't park in the f'ing bike lane, the bike lane is not a passing lane, look for bikes before you open your door, etc) and there needs to be some kind of comprehensive education for cyclists about riding on the roads and using cycling facilities. Maybe a required course if you get busted for certain traffic violations? Some laws need changing or updating. I really like that Idaho "stop as yield" law for cyclists. Cyclists are their own brand of traffic and should be governed by laws that make sense for them. Some car laws make sense for cyclists to follow (direction of travel, for example).

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    The cyclist education that drivers really need:

    That homeless guy with two garbagebags full of empties on his handlebars who cruised through a stopsign?

    That dumbass college kid talking on their phone while barely managing to stay upright as they rode down mainstreet?

    That douchy, kitted up roadie doing trackstands at a stoplight?

    That person riding (perfectly legally) without a helmet?

    That person riding (not so legally) on a sidewalk?

    That ninja salmon bike messenger who ran a red, kicked a puppy, and assassinated archduke ferdinand?






    None of that has anything to do with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    That douchy, kitted up roadie doing trackstands at a stoplight?
    Depends on what is included in "douchy". If no helmet, reflectors, he/she has passed you at several lights only for you to retake them, they won't respond to friendly greetings as if you are some nonentity and similar snooty things are included, like they are posting in the crosswalk, definitely douchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post

    That ninja salmon bike messenger who ran a red, kicked a puppy, and assassinated archduke ferdinand?
    For the record, I did NOT kick that puppy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    That douchy, kitted up roadie doing trackstands at a stoplight?
    Hey man, at least I came to a full and complete stop that time.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    Driver's education courses need to include more cyclist education to be sure that drivers know how to behave around cyclists and cycling facilities (don't park in the f'ing bike lane, the bike lane is not a passing lane, look for bikes before you open your door, etc)
    The solution is design, not education. If cyclists' safety depends on drivers looking back before opening their doors, or not parking in conventional bike lanes, folks are going to get hurt. Divided bike lanes:

    Philly article on bikes vs. cars-bike-articlelarge.jpg

    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    I really like that Idaho "stop as yield" law for cyclists.
    Agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldManBike View Post
    The solution is design, not education. If cyclists' safety depends on drivers looking back before opening their doors, or not parking in conventional bike lanes, folks are going to get hurt. Divided bike lanes:

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    Agree.
    The problem there is the sheer expense of designing the dooring problem out of the road network. It's a problem that doesn't care if there's a bike lane or not. Streetside parking has drivers exiting into traffic. Therefore, drivers have to pay attention to traffic and that includes cyclists whether there's a bike lane or not.

    Sure, better bike lane design can make a big difference with regards to parking/passing in bike lanes. But again, there's a significant expense component to that. I think a reasonable request is to have protected lanes on high traffic/high speed routes, though.

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    Oh, and can't forget this:

    https://twitter.com/CycleHatred

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    It looks on the photo below like they're protected from traffic but not necessarily from dooring.

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