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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post

    Generic to do list:
    18rd - Prime Cut, Kessels, Joes/Mojoes, Zippity, Chutes and Ladders, PBR (ok that's like 80% of the trails anyway)
    Kokopelli - Mary's, Horsethief Bench, Steve's loop, Troy Built, Mack Ridge and if you really need a challenge hit up Moore Fun.
    Lunch Loops - Petekes to Holy Cross and most of the rest of the lower stuff. If you like jumps and tech don't miss Free Lunch and Pucker Up maybe Eagles. Consider Gunny Loop, Butterknife and Ribbon.
    Rabbit Valley - Western Rim (probably my favorite XC trail)
    This also looks like a great list to me. We just moved to Steamboat, and after just spending a week in Moab with friends, and a winter of skiing some fan-****ing-tastic snow, I needed to drop my RV off for service in GJ. As we were driving thru Rabbit Valley, I kept seeing some trails along the freeway, thinking, "gotta ride here....gotta come ride here....man, this looks like a nice place to ride....we gotta come out here soon...gotta get to GJ/Fruita."

    So we're coming back in a week or so. I'll bring two bikes just for fun (OK, that is a matter of perspective) my Niner SS, and my Salsa BearGrease.

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    Hi all,

    Looking to spend a week in GJ/Fruita sometime in this Fall. My schedule is pretty flexible, so when is the best time to go? Obligatory details: great fitness level, intermediate skills, coming from 1000ft.

    I'm not someone who needs to collect trails; when I find one I like, I have no problem hitting it over and over again (my wife appreciates this quality in me, as well). Ideally I'd love to find a hotel within walking distance of a shop that rents bikes, and which has trail access within riding distance. I'll probably be bringing the Mrs along, who doesn't ride much, so access to one or two beginner loops would be great.

    Suggestions? TIA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CodeJockey View Post
    Ideally I'd love to find a hotel within walking distance of a shop that rents bikes, and which has trail access within riding distance. I'll probably be bringing the Mrs along, who doesn't ride much, so access to one or two beginner loops would be great.
    Based on your info above I say use downtown GJ as your basecamp.

    Hotels: (There are cheaper options as well if you do some searching)
    Hampton Inn
    Fairfield Inn

    Rent your bike at Ruby Canyon Cycles (a block from those hotels), they rent Specialized. Or from Brown Cycles (maybe 4 blocks away), they rent Trek and tandems/triples... fun for the family!

    Ride at the Lunch Loops. They are a little limited on beginner stuff but she'll be able to get a few loops in if she wants. It's maybe a 3 mile warmup ride to get to the trailhead from downtown?

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    Hey Guys-

    Just got back yesterday from the trip. Wanted to send another note of thanks. It was some epic riding, and a trip to remember for sure. I also wanted to through out a couple thoughts, in case other people stumble across the thread:

    Over the Edge was a great shop in Fruita. Great bikes, helpful and knowledgeable staff. I would recommend them for sure.

    One trail that I didn't see but would recommend is the Palisades Rim trail. My brother and I agreed that it was one of the best trails that we rode (though a little short) and would definitely consider riding it both directions on the same day.

    We're hoping to get back to the area before too long!

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    Quote Originally Posted by irafcummings View Post
    One trail that I didn't see but would recommend is the Palisades Rim trail. My brother and I agreed that it was one of the best trails that we rode (though a little short) and would definitely consider riding it both directions on the same day.
    I mentioned it...... But didn't make a big deal out of it. It's a trail that seems to have a love/hate response. I ran into 3 guys out there from Wyoming the other weekend and they were not enjoying it at all. You did go up and ride the upper (second) loop as well right? If you did, it should have been around 9 miles I think.

    I don't ride it much because I'm not in great shape and frankly it kicks my butt. But I can see why others love it. Glad you had a good time, any other trails you liked?

    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    SNIP.......

    Others like Butterknife and Palisade Rim are newer and not nearly as well known but seem to be gathering a strong following.

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    Oh, sorry that I missed it in your original post! Might have been because I couldn't find a trail map until we got to town.

    We really liked the Kokopelli area, especially Horsethief Bench. Western Rim was a great trail, but getting in and getting out weren't all that fun. 18 Road had some good stuff, especially once we worked up the courage to do Zippity Do Da. Butterknife was great as well, just the long, uneventful climb out afterwards.

    All-in-all, a great trip. Thanks for the recommendations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irafcummings View Post
    Oh, sorry that I missed it in your original post! Might have been because I couldn't find a trail map until we got to town.

    We really liked the Kokopelli area, especially Horsethief Bench. Western Rim was a great trail, but getting in and getting out weren't all that fun. 18 Road had some good stuff, especially once we worked up the courage to do Zippity Do Da. Butterknife was great as well, just the long, uneventful climb out afterwards.

    All-in-all, a great trip. Thanks for the recommendations.
    You really ran the gamut of the Grand Valley trails. Good job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by irafcummings View Post
    One trail that I didn't see but would recommend is the Palisades Rim trail. My brother and I agreed that it was one of the best trails that we rode (though a little short) and would definitely consider riding it both directions on the same day.
    The lower Palisade Rim is one of my lunch hour rides. I can finish it in about 40 minutes. If you add the upper loop, you're looking at 1.5 hrs plus.

    The climb to the lower loop can be challenging if you're not feeling it or a bit out of shape. It is also easier after doing it a time or two so you know the technical parts of the climb. That's why I would be a little reluctant to automatically recommend it for people coming GJ to ride for the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drlg View Post
    The lower Palisade Rim is one of my lunch hour rides. I can finish it in about 40 minutes. If you add the upper loop, you're looking at 1.5 hrs plus.
    Haha, it took me like 1.5 hours just to top out on the upper loop the other weekend! Then I look at Strava and see certain local riders hitting the same spot in like 38 minutes. Insane.

    Quote Originally Posted by drlg View Post
    The climb to the lower loop can be challenging if you're not feeling it or a bit out of shape.
    No, it's more of a suffer fest than a "challenge" if you're out of shape. Ask me how I know. . Still a cool trail though. But I'm like you and take caution recommending it. What I've learned about Palisade riding in general: you better either be a strong rider or enjoy some suffering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    Based on your info above I say use downtown GJ as your basecamp.

    Hotels: (There are cheaper options as well if you do some searching)
    Hampton Inn
    Fairfield Inn

    Rent your bike at Ruby Canyon Cycles (a block from those hotels), they rent Specialized. Or from Brown Cycles (maybe 4 blocks away), they rent Trek and tandems/triples... fun for the family!

    Ride at the Lunch Loops. They are a little limited on beginner stuff but she'll be able to get a few loops in if she wants. It's maybe a 3 mile warmup ride to get to the trailhead from downtown?
    I actually went through GJ the other day on my way back from Moab. I had time to kill before catching a flight, so I toured downtown. GORGEOUS. I got to stop by both Ruby and Brown - GREAT shops! I also had some spinach/cheese/bagel concoction from the bakery right there. Nom nom.

    So, who's hiring software developers / IT project managers in Grand Junction? (dead serious!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CodeJockey View Post
    So, who's hiring software developers / IT project managers in Grand Junction? (dead serious!)
    Well my former employer is still looking to replace me...... (Sorta, I think they gave up and are trying to promote from within). I just took a new job May 1st. But they don't do software development.

    IT jobs are TOUGH to find here and they don't pay as well as they should. Many go unadvertised (like my last 3 jobs now). Basically I haven't filled out an application or done a resume since 1998.

    Check out the paper, and check out St Mary's Hospital website, they always seem to be looking for IT guys. If you have questions feel free to PM me, I can at least tell you who NOT to work for. There are a few places that advertise a lot, because nobody wants to work there for more than 6 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CodeJockey View Post

    So, who's hiring software developers / IT project managers in Grand Junction? (dead serious!)
    If you like to be close to GJ/Fruita/Moab, you can also consider larger cities like Salt Lake City where you would have more IT positions. I would give certain anatomical parts to land a great IT job in GJ - however I was able to land an awesome gig in Ogden (30 miles north of SLC) which puts me at a close 5 hours to GJ.

    Just an idea.
    I don't use Strava. Don't need an application to tell me I am slow because I already know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawson Raider View Post
    If you like to be close to GJ/Fruita/Moab, you can also consider larger cities like Salt Lake City where you would have more IT positions. I would give certain anatomical parts to land a great IT job in GJ - however I was able to land an awesome gig in Ogden (30 miles north of SLC) which puts me at a close 5 hours to GJ.

    Just an idea.
    Yep, that's pretty much what I've been doing. I found a few things in Ft. Collins that I'll be looking into. How is Ogden as far as pollution goes? Is it outside the inversion that hits SLC pretty hard?
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    OK Vail Valley-ers... where do I pick up "The" map for the Eagle trail system? Recommendations on routes? Will have wife and 13 yo with me...

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    Can someone recommend a solid route through Lunch Loops?
    I'm going through town and want to hit some of those rock features, tech riding, etc. And, would like to do a solid loop through the system, etc.
    2-3 hours maybe

    Or, is it easy to just get there and figure it out?
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWnSWCO View Post
    Can someone recommend a solid route through Lunch Loops?
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    up pet-e-kes, up tabeguagcue, down pucker up, back up tabeguache, holy cross, miramonte rim, across ridge, past where you climbed up, down eagle's tail. best ride EVER.

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    Snark's Route is good, but if you like jumps/drops I'd change it a bit to go up higher and include Free Lunch......... Google Free Lunch videos if you aren't sure what it is . Vimeo has a decent one 4321921 (Video wasn't linking right for some reason, kept trying to embed it instead)

    So if Free Lunch looks good to you, then I'd say:
    Pete-e-kes, up Tab, Pre-nup, Lunch Line, Free Lunch, down to Pucker up, hard left up high noon to tab, back up to Holy Cross, after HC if you've still got time/legs you could do Miramonte Rim and then go back up High noon to finish on Eagles Tail. If not, just head down Ali Alley (or better yet, go down Raven Ridge), then Curts Lane back to the TH.

    I'd suggest having a trail map with you. Everything is well marked, but lots of turns out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    Snark's Route is good, but if you like jumps/drops I'd change it a bit to go up higher and include Free Lunch.........
    Cobi is correct, Free Lunch is definitely super fun. i hesitate to recommend it to people because sometimes it can be a bit more than what people expect. it is a blast though, and if you have the time, i would hit it.

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    Just an FYI, I just updated the original post. Added a bunch of links to shops, tour companies, camping info and added general trail system info. And just cleaned it up in general (removed un-needed info, dead links, etc.). Look it over and tell me if I missed anything.

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    Good Crested Butte trail info here:
    2 rides (1 short and 1 long) in CB later this month?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    Just an FYI, I just updated the original post. Added a bunch of links to shops, tour companies, camping info and added general trail system info. And just cleaned it up in general (removed un-needed info, dead links, etc.). Look it over and tell me if I missed anything.
    Thank you for the sticky and the update Cobi.
    A buddy and I will be riding GJ/ Fruita area for two days in conjunction with Outerbike in Moab.
    Would you recommend us getting lodging in Fruita or GJ? Looks like GJ probably has better food options.

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    GJ has more food and entertainment options if that matters to you. Fruita is pretty quiet at night.

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    GJ/Fruita info updated 7/7. Added info on Powderhorn riding, camping info for "The Camp", added Kannah Creek West & Pablo's in Fruita, Ale House in GJ. Removed a few dead links.

    Considering adding info on "biker friendly" hotels (like Balanced Rock in Fruita)? Are there others with storage, a wash station or that allow you to take them into your rooms?

    Please feel free to suggest additions to the original post.

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    Looking for suggestions on a route in the west end of the Kokopelli area. My group has ridden Marys/ Horsethief/ Steves many times...Moore Fun once and we may give that a go again this time. We have never been on Troy/ Lions/ Mack.

    After doing some reading I'm pretty sure we want to ride the Troy/ Lions/ Mack area and I want to include Mack Ridge but am looking for suggestions on how to create the ride. We are not native Colorado riders so we take any chance to minimize brutal climbing. Which direction should we ride Mack Ridge? Do we use Troy or Lion's off the west end of Mack? Where should we park? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by titusquasi View Post
    Looking for suggestions on a route in the west end of the Kokopelli area. My group has ridden Marys/ Horsethief/ Steves many times...Moore Fun once and we may give that a go again this time. We have never been on Troy/ Lions/ Mack.

    After doing some reading I'm pretty sure we want to ride the Troy/ Lions/ Mack area and I want to include Mack Ridge but am looking for suggestions on how to create the ride. We are not native Colorado riders so we take any chance to minimize brutal climbing. Which direction should we ride Mack Ridge? Do we use Troy or Lion's off the west end of Mack? Where should we park? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!!!
    My first obvious suggestion would be to park at the saddle between Mack Ridge and Moore Fun instead of the main trailhead. Unless you want a couple miles on the frontage road to warm up that is. Seeing as you are familiar with the area I assume you already know where I'm talking about. Getting up to the saddle may require some ground clearance, if that's a concern park at the bottom of the hill by the cattle guard.

    That leaves you with about 2 main route options for Lions/Mack/Troy Built and it mainly depends if you want to climb or descend Mack ridge (east side). That combo of trails in my opinion always presents some downside on each route option.

    Option 1 (Figure 8). Start w/ riding Lions East to West, then climb all the way up the double track to the top of the ridge and drop down the North side to Troy's and ride it CCW. When you finish Troys you'll cross Lions again and climb the new Mack Ridge section directly across from you and descend the Mack ridge East side to finish. Pro: finishes with a fun decent down Mack Ridge to the car. Cons: Climbs new section of Mack which is probaly more of a DH route, but you may walk a few of the same sections up or down so to me it's a wash.
    Are you looking for trail suggestions?-koko1.jpg

    Option 2 (CCW loop). Start by climbing Mack Ridge, stay right (don't go down the new section to Troys south end). Drop down the same double track road mentioned above, ride Troy Built CCW, then finish with Lions West to East. Pro: honestly, not sure there's much "pro" (over option 1) Cons: Climbing Mack Ridge and missing out on descending it to finish. Also miss the new section of Mack (1.2m west end), yes you could drop that section and reclimb that vert on the road like option 1 but you didn't sound like you wanted to climb just for grins.
    Are you looking for trail suggestions?-koko2.png

    Alternate option (CW Loop) - Lions East to West, Troy Built CW, climb the double track back up to Mack Ridge and descend Mack Ridge East side. Honestly this is probably my favorite direction of all three trails BUT that climb up to Mack Ridge from the North end of Troy's SUCKS. It's just a steep jeep road but it feels longer than it is. If I recommend it you, you may curse me forever. This will likely be my preferred route when (hopefully later this year?) we have the new Hawkeye trail which will go from the Mack exit lot up to Mack Ridge (thus eliminating the road climb). All that said, it's just a road and the worst of it is maybe a mile or so total, if you can't ride it, it's an easy push and at least you aren't shouldering your bike etc... Maybe others thinks it sucks less than I do (I'm fat) but I doubt it.
    Are you looking for trail suggestions?-koko3.jpg

    Not knowing much about you & your group I'd probably go with option 1 as the safest bet (and you'll enjoy the final decent). But if you've done Moore Fun before this is not that hard. I'll be curious what others suggest, this trail combo always gives me pause on how I want to link it up.

    PS - Since it sounds like you and some or all of the rest of the group have ridden Koko a number of times, have you ridden/considered other areas like the Lunch Loops?
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    Wow! Incredible reply and detail. This gives me enough to make a go at putting a ride together in this area. Thanks very much...really.

    We have been riding Lunch Loops this first day of the trip for several years. We usually do Free Lunch/ Pucker Up/ Lemon Squeezer/ Holy Cross, etc... We don't ride all the features but we manage most of them and have a blast.

    A couple of us really like the technical rock areas which is why Fruita/ Moab is a yearly trip. 18 Road doesn't hold much interest. We just haven't ever been on the west end of the Kokopelli area and are looking for something new.

    Our trip is often 5 days with the first day in Fruita, 3 in Moab, and the last day in Moab or Fruita.

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    I have one guy who will not be in shape this year. If I want to ride in this area and give him a ride in the 5-8 mile range that gets us back to the car while allowing the rest of us to ride Moore Fun while he takes the vehicle to the east parking lot...suggestions?

    West on Lions and back east on Mack? That's really the only option parking at the lot near the saddle, I guess. I suppose we could ride Troy out and back a ways in the middle of that small loop.

    Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by titusquasi View Post
    I have one guy who will not be in shape this year. If I want to ride in this area and give him a ride in the 5-8 mile range that gets us back to the car while allowing the rest of us to ride Moore Fun while he takes the vehicle to the east parking lot...suggestions?

    West on Lions and back east on Mack? That's really the only option parking at the lot near the saddle, I guess. I suppose we could ride Troy out and back a ways in the middle of that small loop.

    Any thoughts?
    Yes, West on Lions, back East on Mack would probably be my suggestion in that case. Troys Built isn't significantly different that you won't get the idea from riding Lions, Mack. If he still has legs he could always do the north half of Steves, still fun.... and cut it off in the middle for a few extra miles while you guys trudge through Moore Fun.

    Another option, not as technical overall as Mack/Lion though is Trail2/Western Rim at Rabbit Valley just a little further West. It's like a 15-18 mile long version of Mary's loop with even better canyon/river views on Western Rim proper. I like Zion Curtain as well, but the navigation is a little bit trickier (not terribly hard to miss a turn out there your first time... I did). As long as you take the map it shouldn't be a problem. Those are open to motos as well, but I never run into more than a few, sometimes none.

    Glad to hear you've hit the Lunch loops. Consider Gunny Loop out there as well! Or Butterknife is another good option if you like the tech (3.8mile jeep road climb to finish though)!

    Another newer tech trail that is a blast (once the climbing is over) and has fantastic views of the valley is Palisade Rim.

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    The Butterknife experience used to be much better when the trail system in Bang's Canyon was newer. Taking Twist-n-Shout down to Butterknife is a mess with all the loose trail. It is to be expected since it is a quad ATV trail. Even sections of Butterknife has gotten bad.

    The road climb from the river back to Little Park Road is hell. I think Butterknife is more of a locals trail because visitors don't want to come to the Grand Valley to spend 45 minutes grinding back to the parking lot.

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