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    Phil's World

    Cortez has it going on!!! Went to Phil's world yesterday and I have to say that whoever is involved with building the trails has done the best work I have seen to date. Thank you!!! There has to be at least 20 miles of trail that rails. Wish I took some pictures but I was to busy riding the sweet terrain. Thanks again!
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    yes I'll agree. I roe Phils a few weeks ago and it was simply awesome. The whoops in ribcage and past that were freakin great. I'll be coming back someday

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    26 miles currently, with a few more in the works! Should have another new loop complete by Fall. Thanks. Glad you all had fun!!!

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    I lovelovelove Phil's World, it just sucks that we live in Boulder and don't get down there all that often. My favourite kind of singletrack ever: smooth, flowy, swoopy and uninhabited!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonefrontranger
    I lovelovelove Phil's World, it just sucks that we live in Boulder and don't get down there all that often. My favourite kind of singletrack ever: smooth, flowy, swoopy and uninhabited!
    Sucks for you, for us, it keeps it ... "uninhabited"
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    Dont let cbrossman get under your skin.He is just bitter that his brand new ss sits unridden in his garage
    "Uninhabited"?? That's not how the parking lot looks on a weekend,hehe.

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    I rode Phil's last summer. really fun place. I was lucky to hook up with a local who took me on the grand tour
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    Just got back from a 2 week vacation split between Breckenridge and Durango, and tried Phil's for the first time. The whole family ( wife, 14 year old son, 9 year old daughter and myself ) managed 14 miles. and had a great time. What are those cool lizards that have the yellowish heads and the green/blue bodies out there? We had one checking us out as we were fixing a couple of flats and having a snack...Really fun trails that the family can enjoy together.

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    Collared Lizards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanMan
    Collared Lizards.
    Are those related to collard greens?

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    Anyone notice a trail reroute around the Abajo (I think) climb before the rib cage? Seemed extra sandy and a slightly different route then I remembered. Maybe it was just the sand that made it seem different.

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    Thanks BeanMan, my wife was oh so close to getting an up close picture of one but he decided better of it... Fast little turds! How does Sand Canyon compare? I understand it is in that area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keithrad
    Thanks BeanMan, my wife was oh so close to getting an up close picture of one but he decided better of it... Fast little turds! How does Sand Canyon compare? I understand it is in that area.
    Sand canyon is totally different.It's like a "mini" moab.About 1k lower in elevation....hot in summer! Def worth checking out if not too hot out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zx6rpete
    Anyone notice a trail reroute around the Abajo (I think) climb before the rib cage? Seemed extra sandy and a slightly different route then I remembered. Maybe it was just the sand that made it seem different.
    I'm not sure that's a re-route. If we're thinking about the same piece of trail, then it's the short cut connector from lower Rib Cage back to Abajo. They put it in so you can lap Rib Cage without poaching private property (which I think people were doing prior to the connector).
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    Last time I was there Abajo was re-routed slightly just before you climb up on top of the cliff band...just before Cortez Lookout. Coco Race had a re-route just before you drop into the wash. I think all the work was done before 12 Hours of Mesa Verde.

    Phil's World is so awesome!!! Keep up the great work down there!!!

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    Pictures please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve
    Pictures please!

    That's Sand Canyon... Phil's is too fun to stop for photos
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanMan
    Collared Lizards.
    Here is a collared lizard. Very cool lizards. I bent down to get a pic and he struck a pose for me.
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    I'm really excited to be heading out to Phil's this coming weekend. Anyone have tips on other trails in the area? We are camping at Mesa Verde NP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawson Raider View Post
    Here is a collared lizard. Very cool lizards. I bent down to get a pic and he struck a pose for me.
    That is an Awesome Lizard pic!

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    I've never been there, does Phil's World get gooey when it's wet? We will be going through that area on the way to the San Juan river and are contemplating bringing bikes. It looks like the Monsoon is starting to really kick in.

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    It would be messy when wet. The good thing is that it takes a really good storm to get really wet in Cortez as it is lower elevation. Odds are it will be dry....as it doesn't rain often. I think. maybe. possibly....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jryter View Post
    It would be messy when wet. The good thing is that it takes a really good storm to get really wet in Cortez as it is lower elevation. Odds are it will be dry....as it doesn't rain often. I think. maybe. possibly....
    It's hardbake clay. If it gets wet enough to saturate that clay it's as bad as it gets. Think, bikes so clogged up with clay that they are too heavy to carry.

    That said, it takes quite a bit of moisture to saturate the clay, as jryter says. Maybe even more than one rain; good long soaking. Since it's hard-bake the first splash of rain tends to run off. And that makes it tacky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    It's hardbake clay. If it gets wet enough to saturate that clay it's as bad as it gets. Think, bikes so clogged up with clay that they are too heavy to carry.

    That said, it takes quite a bit of moisture to saturate the clay, as jryter says. Maybe even more than one rain; good long soaking. Since it's hard-bake the first splash of rain tends to run off. And that makes it tacky.
    Got it, thanks. There's a hurricane remnant spinning in the Baja California area that's probably going to be pumping moisture into the four corners area for a few days is why I asked. We'll be looking for side canyon flash floods.

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    Got to experience Phil's World for one all too brief ride last summer enroute to nationals in ID. Leaving today for a week in Durango and we plan on hitting PW's probably Monday as early as we can get the cats herded up.

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    What are daytime temps like down there right now?

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    Just went there the other weekend, and it rained a little bit before we rode. Nice and tacky. Best sunset ride ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpalmer View Post
    What are daytime temps like down there right now?
    Somewhere between the surface of the sun, and an iron smelter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Beam View Post
    Are those related to collard greens?
    I think they prefer the term Lizards of Collar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkboy View Post
    I think they prefer the term Lizards of Collar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpalmer View Post
    What are daytime temps like down there right now?
    Rode Phil's World last Monday, started around 9:30 and our large group was all done by noonish. I'm going to say probably high 80's or low 90's but completely bearable. Bring lots of water.

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    I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but I have to point out that Phil's World was in much rougher condition last week than when I rode it in June of last year. Lots of erosion, particularly on the rib cage and other larger drops similar to those. The rockier parts hadn't changed at all. I'm guessing there's been some pretty heavy rains and the trails built on the fall lines become rivers at times. I know it's a lot of trail to maintain.

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    Echo that; we rode it last weekend and there was tons of washout and sand over the trails. Still superb riding.
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    Hi gang - heading to Cortez at the end of October - first timer. Wondering if anyone has recommendations for camping in the area. Thanks!

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    One time we camped at a reservoir a few miles out of Cortez, I don't remember the name or where exactly, only that it worked well for us. There is also a KOA in town. You can camp in Mesa Verde NP too but it might be a drive to get out into the park, the entrance is very close to Phils fwiw.

    It might have been Mcphee Lake. Hopefully someone more local can chime in and give you more definitive answers.

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    Good free sites up at the Boggy Draw trail head. Decent trails to ride right from camp too. About 20 minutes to Phils, 45 minutes to Sand Canyon from there.

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    Thanks - sounds like what I'm looking for!

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    Love Phil's World. here's a pic


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    When I went there 1 or 2 years ago, Phil's was great but, I like sand canyon even more. It felt more adventurous to me.



    i took a couple pic's a Phil's, too. They turned out kind of crappy since I forgot my little tripod that ride.

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    So, the trip is complete and it was a success. We ended up above Dolores, near the Boggy trail system. Camping was easy to find and the area was amazing. Rode Phil's and it was awesome, but I enjoyed the Boggy trail system more, especially the Bean Canyon loop. We rode almost sixty miles in three days there, all amazing. There is plenty to go back and see, not to mention the Dolores River Brewery - highly recommended!

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    Quote Originally Posted by COSK2 View Post
    So, the trip is complete and it was a success. We ended up above Dolores, near the Boggy trail system!
    so how far is that from Phils and is there a map of the Boggy trais, I have not heard of them
    I've been inside too long.

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    I am planning on heading that way next weekend to take my son on a train ride in Durango. Does anyone have any idea if with the relatively warm and dry week ahead if Phils or the Telegraph trails in Durango will be good to go.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foote30 View Post
    I am planning on heading that way next weekend to take my son on a train ride in Durango. Does anyone have any idea if with the relatively warm and dry week ahead if Phils or the Telegraph trails in Durango will be good to go.

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    You should be good to go!!!

    No snow accumulated in town this past weekend and looks like only a dusting on top of the ridge lines in town...

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    Great, thanks for the info. Shaping up to be a great late season weekend. Can't wait.

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    better double-check on the train though, I work in town and haven't heard it running, maybe they're still doing weekends?
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    Thanks, I will call to double check. I saw on the internet they are doing some kind of winter train ride for kids. I have never gone it but sounds like it is pretty cool for a 2 year old that is obsessed with trains and such.

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    Good job!

    Phil's is the jam. Being new to the area I've only ridden it once, but can't wait to do it again. Stoked that it's only an hour or so away. The best thing about it is that there is something for everyone. From beginner, intermediate, to advanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COSK2 View Post
    Thanks for the map and info, part go my plan for future trip.

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    Anyone know what the current conditions are like? Snow? Mud? Awesomeness? It's supposed to be warmer there than Junction this weekend, but dry trails may be a bit much to hope for.

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    As of 1/16/13

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    We rode it last year... so much fun!!! They have a 12 hour race in that system called 12 hours of Mesa Verde... its pretty awesome!

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    Update/forecast for Friday? Will be staying over in Cortez, bringing the mtb just in case

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentich View Post
    Phil's is the jam. Being new to the area I've only ridden it once, but can't wait to do it again. Stoked that it's only an hour or so away. The best thing about it is that there is something for everyone. From beginner, intermediate, to advanced.
    Phils is a solid 2+hr. drive; but worth it. Paonia is 1.5 and as good as Phils IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtsideup View Post
    Phils is a solid 2+hr. drive; but worth it. Paonia is 1.5 and as good as Phils IMHO.
    Ya but, it's probably under snow right now :/

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    Nice thread on Phils!

    We're planning our first visit to the area at the end of the month (March '13). Can anyone provide up-to-date info on trail conditions?
    I've looked at the SkidMap (The Skid Map) and it shows a nice network of trails. Is this map reasonably current?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbflg View Post
    Nice thread on Phils!

    We're planning our first visit to the area at the end of the month (March '13). Can anyone provide up-to-date info on trail conditions?
    I've looked at the SkidMap (The Skid Map) and it shows a nice network of trails. Is this map reasonably current?

    Thanks!

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    Hey db,

    Phil's World is good to go! 3/21/13

    You might find some mud/ice/snow on the north facing slopes of Ledges Loop. Stop in Kokopelli Bike & Board of the most up-to-date info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singletrack Maps View Post
    Hey db,

    Phil's World is good to go! 3/21/13

    You might find some mud/ice/snow on the north facing slopes of Ledges Loop. Stop in Kokopelli Bike & Board of the most up-to-date info.

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    Happy Trails.


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    Thanks! KB&B was already on my to-visit list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbflg View Post
    Thanks! KB&B was already on my to-visit list.

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    If anyone was out at Phil's World Saturday, if you found a pink helmet and gloves, my wife left them right near the trailhead.

    UHggg.

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    Phil's World

    My kid has a soccer game in Cortez on the 13th of April. I was toying with the idea of turning it into a mini camping/mtn bike trip... I've wanted to ride Phil's World for a while now. (My name is Phil, it's destiny!!)

    Is there a place to camp with our pop-up close to the "trails"?

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    I've seen people free camping near the trailhead. I assume it is legal.


    Quote Originally Posted by kingofZroad View Post
    My kid has a soccer game in Cortez on the 13th of April. I was toying with the idea of turning it into a mini camping/mtn bike trip... I've wanted to ride Phil's World for a while now. (My name is Phil, it's destiny!!)

    Is there a place to camp with our pop-up close to the "trails"?
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    Phil's World

    Thanks Terry!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singletrack Maps View Post
    Hey db,

    Phil's World is good to go! 3/21/13

    Happy Trails.

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    It was great! Really enjoyed riding the trails at Phil's World on Thursday and again on Saturday. Think we hit every trail once -- and a few of them more than once!

    Friday we rode the Sand Canyon Loop for a change of pace. Nice slickrock near the start/end of the trail!

    Congratulations to all the folks who have made Phil's World a great place to ride. I was more than happy to drop my $$ in the donation box.

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    Current conditions on Phil's World? And a good place to get a shower after a ride and before dinner in town? Thanks, in Fruita now, gonna finish up on Kokopelli's and head south.

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    Rode Phil's last Sunday and it was perfect.
    Did Phil's in the a.m. and Telegraph trails in Durango in the p.m.--perfect day all 'round.

    Not sure about the shower, but you can probably get dinner in Cortez without one . . .
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    Rode Phil's this Sunday, 4-7-13. I would like to give a shout out to the owner of Kokopelli bikes there in Cortez, Pete, I think his name was, another regular here (Jerry?) on their shop ride, and a great group of folks out of Farmington, NM, I believe, for letting me share all that is Phil's World today. Simply one of the nicest rides with great aesthetics that is fast and flowy on the way back, and good enough and some techy on the ride in, if you want to do Ledge and Stinky Springs loop, finishing it off with Rib Cage.


    I had a great time on tired legs, 5 days of riding and driving straight. This place, maybe it was a secret, maybe the word is getting out, but to the guys that built those trails, Kudo's to you, you deserve accolades for the layout on that roller coaster of a ride. I have had a sh*t eating ear to ear grin the whole drive back from Cortez to Flagstaff.

    Thanks, a most memorable day... place is great, soon, Stoner Mesa and some other stuff near by. Maybe mid to late Sept for the aspens and fall colors.

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    Phil's world is AWESOME!! I have never been on a trail as good as Rib Cage!!!

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