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    Fruita's 18rd trails are directional, officially. Info on new trails and etiquette...

    Just a friendly PSA, I'm by no means an authority on the matter - just a dude who rides 18rd on an almost daily basis.

    Last night signs were installed on Prime Cut and Kessel Run. Uphill only on Prime Cut, downhill only on Kessel.

    If you're visiting the area please stick to these directions:
    Prime Cut - Climbing only
    Kessel Run - Downhill only
    PBR - Downhill only
    MoJoes/Joes - Downhill only

    PBR and MoJoes are advanced flow trails with progressive features. Please respect the features (jumps, step downs, and berms) of these trails; do not create new short cuts around them, stop or skid on them. If it is your first time on these trails and you'd like to inspect the features before trying them, please use good judgement and do your inspection on foot - set your bike down next to the trail (tires on the edge of the trail, only handlebars and pedals in the dirt), but out of the way of other riders. Be aware that other riders may be coming through those zones at a high rate of speed - so keep your head on a swivel (and no earphones).

    The best ways to gain elevation are (ie the best climbing routes):
    Central: Prime Cut
    East: Down East/Eastern Uppity
    West: Zip-off to Western Zippety

    Trails that are not directional include Chutes and Ladders, Zippety, Western Zippety, and Frontside. Please yield to the uphill rider by stepping to the side of the trail whilst keeping your tires on it - acknowledge the rider so they know you're stopping, stop, put your foot down to the outside of the trail and lean your bike over to give them more room.

    I don't know if there is an official direction for Zippety - but I WOULD NOT recommend climbing it (going North) - you will be walking a lot, there are much better ways to climb.
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    Climbing Zippety... that would be hilarious. I wonder if anyone has ever considered/done it?

    Oh - and thanks for the PSA!

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    Thats outstanding, freaking good news, long overdue. I have come down Kessels only to find a couple of guys training by going up. Kessels is such an obvious down trail. Prime Cut is also the main up trail that everyone uses. This will add some safety and quality to riding 18 rd.

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    Good to hear. I'll be returning to Fruita for the FFTF- first time back in 11 years! When I lived in Denver, I'd make it out at least a couple of times a year. With the amount of traffic back then we thought one way trails were a good idea. Can't imagine what it's like now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Climbing Zippety... that would be hilarious. I wonder if anyone has ever considered/done it?
    Ran into a guy riding up it last fall. Didn't look like he was enjoying himself.

    I've ridden up Kessels on a week day when I was the only car in the lot. It's actually a nice easy ride going up.

    While it makes sense, 18rd is really lacking in "up" routes. One can only ride up prime (or the road) so many times. It would be nice to have another easy up route right off the road. I've seen sections of an unofficial route pop up from time to time on the east side of the road up to about the half way point. Pretty sure it's just a cow trail that people are starting to ride. I know an up route isn't sexy and fun, but I think it would be nice.

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    I was out there last weekend and there were a bunch of people climbing up Kessel, it was totally ridiculous. Thank for the directional signage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinjp View Post
    I was out there last weekend and there were a bunch of people climbing up Kessel, it was totally ridiculous. Thank for the directional signage!
    If it is riders that know the area, then it is crazy. If it is out-of-town riders there for the first time, then I would cut them some slack.

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    I've ridden up Kessel many times, but only early in the morning while the shuttle monkeys are still sleeping off their hangovers. It's actually an enjoyable climb.

    I have mixed feelings about directional trails. While it's an obvious necessity on dedicated, designed for the purpose DH trails, and some trails are steep enough that they are directional by default, I'm not sure I'm real gung ho on directional trails. You can argue that a trail flows best one way or another, but OTOH, people calibrate their fun meter in a lot of different ways. Personally, I'd much rather see directional trails be the exception rather than the rule.

    All that said, the whole 18rd area gets so much traffic that directional in some places is probably reasonable from a safety point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    You can argue that a trail flows best one way or another, but OTOH, people calibrate their fun meter in a lot of different ways. Personally, I'd much rather see directional trails be the exception rather than the rule.
    Couldn't agree more. I'm not really sure what makes Kessels any more of a "downhill" trail than Prime Cut for example. You could say just about any trail which gains elevation is better going "down". Personally I'd rather ride up Kessels than Prime, I just don't since I know it would be against traffic. Prime Cut is also a blast to go down for that matter.

    As far as the safety issue.... If you are worried about running into uphill riders then you are not riding in control. You shouldn't be barreling through blind corners, going so fast that you can't stop in time, etc..... I worry directional trails create a false sense of security that we can ride as fast as possible with no concern for what might be around the next corner. I don't know, feels like overkill to me.

    Haven't we all sat back and thought numerous times.... "You know what would make mountain biking better? More rules!" I'm not talking about cutting down trees, modifying trails etc..... We're talking about having to stop and wait 10 seconds for an uphill rider. I think I can count on about one hand the amount if times each season I've had to yield to uphill riders on Kessels. I guess it must be a much bigger problem than I realized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    Couldn't agree more. I'm not really sure what makes Kessels any more of a "downhill" trail than Prime Cut for example. You could say just about any trail which gains elevation is better going "down". Personally I'd rather ride up Kessels than Prime, I just don't since I know it would be against traffic. Prime Cut is also a blast to go down for that matter.

    As far as the safety issue.... If you are worried about running into uphill riders then you are not riding in control. You shouldn't be barreling through blind corners, going so fast that you can't stop in time, etc..... I worry directional trails create a false sense of security that we can ride as fast as possible with no concern for what might be around the next corner. I don't know, feels like overkill to me.

    Haven't we all sat back and thought numerous times.... "You know what would make mountain biking better? More rules!" I'm not talking about cutting down trees, modifying trails etc..... We're talking about having to stop and wait 10 seconds for an uphill rider. I think I can count on about one hand the amount if times each season I've had to yield to uphill riders on Kessels. I guess it must be a much bigger problem than I realized.
    Is it the rule you are opposed to, you feel something is being taken away from you, or is it the idea that now there's a legit "Downhill" specific trail or two, and out of control heathens are going to spoil things?

    "One-way" is not creating more rules, it's trading one rule (yielding for the uphill rider) for another by eliminating the uphill rider from the equation. As for a "false sense of security" - even at a bike park like Trestle or Telluride, when I'm "barreling through blind corners, going so fast.." I still keep an eye out for anything/anyone that might be heading up. Despite the obvious, it happens occasionally that I do run across an errant hiker or curious person traveling upwards. Reckless riders are the exception, not the rule, as are the errant hikers I run across on DH trails.

    IMO, its about time that the tide turns a little in favor of riders that enjoy pushing their limits and advancing their skill set in regards to speed, flow and maneuvering. This allows for that to happen in a safe manner. Kudos to Fruita and those that work so hard to make it happen.

    I also agree that another uphill route or two is a great idea.
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    I agree that in general trails should not be over-controlled with directional signs. I have ridden Prime-Cut both ways and it is a nice down trail however by word of mouth or other means it is used by most to get up to Front Side-Chutes/Ladders/ Joes and more. With the amount of bikes on this trail you would be constantly stopping to move off for uphillers. With most trails flowing downhill here I think the majority will be happy to have a designated up. Kessels is diff. in my mind with most flowing down the banked turns. To go up Kessels during traffic hours is just interrupting the ride for allot of people and IMO it can be dangerous. The receently built PBR is designated down only and it is a great trail with excellent flow and a few blind spots. IMO it works as a down trail. When I ride the Colorado trail[ a 2 way trail ] near Brec, I often move off trail when climbing and riders are coming down and enjoying the flow. Just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhazard View Post
    Is it the rule you are opposed to, you feel something is being taken away from you, or is it the idea that now there's a legit "Downhill" specific trail or two, and out of control heathens are going to spoil things?

    "One-way" is not creating more rules, it's trading one rule (yielding for the uphill rider) for another by eliminating the uphill rider from the equation.
    I would be more for signs that post strong suggestions of directional travel rather than "rules". Or even directional travel on weekends and holidays for example.

    So if I am out there in the middle of a week day and am the only car in the parking lot I can't be trusted to decide "hey maybe I'll switch things up today and go up Kessel's and down Prime?" I do this a couple times a year probably.

    Don't you guys get bored riding the same three trails in the same direction 100 times a season? I guess some of us like some variety. Heck on busy weekend out there you won't find me on Prime, Kessels or Joes at all. I'll likely be heading out vegetarian, down the bottom of chutes to edge loop, edge cutoff, down uppity, zip off, western zippity, etc.

    I just don't feel the need for trail nannies legislating how I ride. How about speed limit signs? Maybe some trail monitors to make sure you aren't too slow and ruining faster riders "flow"? Maybe mandatory reflectors and flags on our bikes to keep us safe. Knee and elbow pads for everyone! If we all just wanna ride the same trails in the same direction, lets just buy road bikes and ride in circles.

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    FINALLY!!! hard to believe it took this long. i wrote a post years ago after riding 18 about the obvious goofiness of all trails having the IMBA mantra yeilding to uphill riders. never had one comment. thought i was gonna get a bunch of shite. this new rule just improved riding out there IMO bigtime
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    FYI it's not that I'm against it per se or think it is a bad idea.

    Honestly, I just feel it's a little overkill and just didn't see it as a big deal. I don't want them getting carried away with directional trails though.

    I blame Noah, I know he's just trying to improve his Strava time. Just kidding Noah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    FYI it's not that I'm against it per se or think it is a bad idea.

    Honestly, I just feel it's a little overkill and just didn't see it as a big deal. I don't want them getting carried away with directional trails though.

    I blame Noah, I know he's just trying to improve his Strava time. Just kidding Noah.
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    Nobody is going to get ticketed or tared and feathered for going the wrong direction, just please use common sense for choosing the time and season you choose to do it. The need for more uphill routes is something we are looking at now. We are in the process of planing the next 5-10yrs of building on 18rd. So please be patient, we want to do it right. If you want to have input on what happens out there join COPMOBA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heckled View Post
    If you want to have input on what happens out there join COPMOBA.
    I am a member actually, not that I actually attend meetings or work days. I swear I will this year! At least they get my donation.

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    As an out-of-towner who rode 18rd for the first time today, I'd say the dedicated up-down is a good idea, but maybe more signage necessary, or mark on the maps. We started uphill on kessel until someone let us know we were in the wrong direction. It wasn't obvious how to get UP the hill.

    I think having 1-way trails will help with the trail widening/erosion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    I am a member actually, not that I actually attend meetings or work days. I swear I will this year! At least they get my donation.
    Cobi, if you want to hit the next meeting it's always the last Tuesday of the month, next one is at Copper Club in fruita, 6:30
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    While it makes sense, 18rd is really lacking in "up" routes. One can only ride up prime (or the road) so many times. It would be nice to have another easy up route right off the road. I've seen sections of an unofficial route pop up from time to time on the east side of the road up to about the half way point. Pretty sure it's just a cow trail that people are starting to ride. I know an up route isn't sexy and fun, but I think it would be nice.
    Here you go:
    Down East/Eastern Uppity - access to Chutes and Veg
    Zip-off to Western Zippety - access to everything

    or start on Prime Cut and then use the trail that cuts across Kessel (starts just below PBR exit) and then climb the camp road - I do that a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
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    or start on Prime Cut and then use the trail that cuts across Kessel (starts just below PBR exit) and then climb the camp road - I do that a lot.
    This is my preferred climbing route as well...

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    Well, as a test and to take my wife on a flowy not too tech. trail we rode 18 rd. trails this Sunday. Being Easter vacation for many Colorado schools and a weekend it was jambed as expected. We rode up Prime with many groups some passing us due to being faster. Then down PBR, what can I say pure bliss and no issues, then up Prime again and down Kessels. We did see one couple trying to go up Kessels who were discouraged by the almost steady flow of downhill riders. When we got to the bottom of Kessels we saw the downhill only sign. From a practical view and somewhat aesthetic the trail rides way better down than up and the sign just reinforces common sense IMO. Good job COPMOBA

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    Quote Originally Posted by fruitafrank View Post
    Well, as a test and to take my wife on a flowy not too tech. trail we rode 18 rd. trails this Sunday. Being Easter vacation for many Colorado schools and a weekend it was jambed as expected. We rode up Prime with many groups some passing us due to being faster. Then down PBR, what can I say pure bliss and no issues, then up Prime again and down Kessels. We did see one couple trying to go up Kessels who were discouraged by the almost steady flow of downhill riders. When we got to the bottom of Kessels we saw the downhill only sign. ***From a practical view and somewhat aesthetic the trail rides way better down than up and the sign just reinforces common sense IMO.absolutely*** Good job COPMOBA
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    This is the West where everyone rebels against authority. If the COPMOBA, the city of GJ, the state of Colorado or the Federal government made a decree that the earth was round and not flat, you'd still get people fighting that it wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fruitafrank View Post
    When we got to the bottom of Kessels we saw the downhill only sign. From a practical view and somewhat aesthetic the trail rides way better down than up and the sign just reinforces common sense IMO. Good job COPMOBA
    Of course it flows better downhill! Please name me one trail that flows better uphill, I'd love to ride it. The argument isn't whether it is better as a downhill or not. That's kind of obvious. It's whether it is such a big problem that we need someone dictating which directions we CAN ride. I ride out there quite a bit and I rarely see anyone doing it.

    Does Prime cut flow better going up? Is anyone arguing that?

    I think a sign at the bottom suggesting not to ride up it or directional only on weekends/holidays would have been plenty. Same goes with going down prime.

    Why does everyone keep saying "Kessel's 'flows' better down."? Duh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    Here you go:
    Down East/Eastern Uppity - access to Chutes and Veg
    Zip-off to Western Zippety - access to everything

    or start on Prime Cut and then use the trail that cuts across Kessel (starts just below PBR exit) and then climb the camp road - I do that a lot.
    Zip-off/western zip - I ride it a fair amount but its not exactly shortcut to to the top. Plus I don't like to HAB and I'm a mere mortal on the Western Zip climb.

    Down east/eastern uppity - I ride those but usually up vegetarian -> down chutes -> edge loop -> edge cutoff -> down uppity. Nice little figure eight loop then I usually head up prime and kit Joes/Kessels to finish it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    Of course it flows better downhill! Please name me one trail that flows better uphill, I'd love to ride it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    Of course it flows better downhill! Please name me one trail that flows better uphill, I'd love to ride it. - Why does everyone keep saying "Kessel's 'flows' better down."? Duh!
    I think you're demonstrating that you don't really understand what flow means... "FLOW" does not necessarily equal gravity/downhill, it's not water seeking the path of least resistance. Its not jumps, its not the presence of berms, although that helps... And nobody's arguing about Prime Cut going up because, well, it flows better going up. It's not real gem for descending, it does not "FLOW".

    Just in case, I formally profess that Prime Cut is better going up.

    It might not BE a big problem NOW, but the potential is there. In a place like 18rd more so than other places (and its going to become more popular!) People DO go fast down Kessel, PBR, Zippity... Kessel as a two-way route, people NOW have the urge to let the brakes go and really push it. Not everyone does, but the temptation is there - you CAN'T remove that element. Its right there at your fingertips, just let go... But - you can remove the uphill rider from the equation, and everyone can descend at their own pace.

    Motorcyclists have a saying that applies: "There are two types of riders - those that have been down, and those that are going down."

    What happens when a collision happens? It does not take a LOT of speed at all to cause some serious impact/injury despite the use of helmets (barring full face). Yes, accidents happen everywhere, but this is one case where reasonable action can be taken to minimize risk. Because when that one collision happens, RULES are going to come like it or not. The one-way think makes so much sense there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jhazard View Post
    Mountain biking does provide a certain sense of freedom, but it does not mean we all conduct ourselves with no guidelines. Seems like you just want to ride what you want, where you want.
    I conduct myself within guidelines. I yield to uphill riders, I stay on the trail, I don't modify trails, I don't create unsanctioned trails, I ride in control so that I'm not a danger to uphill riders.

    If by "seems you just want to ride what you want, where you want" you mean that maybe a couple times a season when the trails are empty I might ride up Kessels and down Prime, guilty as charged. I guess you prefer to ride what other people want, where they want.

    I guess I just need to go with the "flow". If only I understood what flow really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    It's whether it is such a big problem that we need someone dictating which directions we CAN ride.
    Those someones are the people that build the trails that everyone gets to enjoy. Without those someones, you'd be out riding doubletracks or driving to Moab. In this particular case, I default to trailbuilders, and it is good to see designations made when the trails are built because obviously it is a pain-in-the-butt to get things changed after the fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    I conduct myself within guidelines. I yield to uphill riders, I stay on the trail, I don't modify trails, I don't create unsanctioned trails, I ride in control so that I'm not a danger to uphill riders.

    If by "seems you just want to ride what you want, where you want" you mean that maybe a couple times a season when the trails are empty I might ride up Kessels and down Prime, guilty as charged. I guess you prefer to ride what other people want, where they want.

    I guess I just need to go with the "flow". If only I understood what flow really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    How about speed limit signs? Maybe some trail monitors to make sure you aren't too slow and ruining faster riders "flow"? Maybe mandatory reflectors and flags on our bikes to keep us safe. Knee and elbow pads for everyone! If we all just wanna ride the same trails in the same direction, lets just buy road bikes and ride in circles.
    Glad you mentioned speed limits. My question was going to be --- how long now until slower riders (like myself) are not allowed?

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    I'm trying to think of the newest trails built over the last 4 or 5 years......

    Free Lunch - Directional
    Pucker Up - Directional
    Pre-nup - non-directional
    PBR - Directional
    Mojos - Directional
    Mack Ridge addition - non-directional
    Holey Bucket/clunker- non-directional
    Butterknife - non-directional
    Down-uppity/eastern uppity - non-directional
    Zip Off - non-directional

    I'm sure I'm forgetting some... but there's roughly 40% of the new trails built as directional. Now we are going back and changing old trails to directional as well. Starting to feel like this is going to be the rule, not the exception. Just waiting for the next ones to start being changed.... Pete-e-kes, Curt's, Holy Cross?

    Thanks for the input everyone. I guess it is pointless to get involved since I'm certainly in the minority on this one. I'm just gonna go ride my bike (in whatever direction I'm told).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    I'm sure I'm forgetting some... but there's roughly 40% of the new trails built as directional. Now we are going back and changing old trails to directional as well. Starting to feel like this is going to be the rule, not the exception. Just waiting for the next ones to start being changed.... Pete-e-kes, Curt's, Holy Cross?
    Fret not, that statistic means the MINORITY of new trails built have been directional.
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    dumb, why? Kessel is a fun uphill! Kokopelli Trails are "Moore Fun" any ways
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    I think we have IMBA bike rules in place for a reason. Save the one direction trails for the gravity assisted bike parks. Making exceptions on BLM land and lack of consistency on all BLM land for multi use trails is a poor idea.

    Strava**holes are taking over Fruita over a few seconds saved... sad. Keep the competition, timed trials and racing against the clock for a time on sanctioned race courses and keep them off of public land use trails on BLM property. We see the same crap locally any time industry folks in the bike parts business show up on our trails for beta testing, using public lands as a test track to take their equipment to the limit on public multi use trails.

    Industry insiders are a problem on our trails. A big problem. There is more to riding a mountain bike than racing, or training to race. Really getting tired of the sense of entitlement by folks in the industry acting and feeling superior to commoners on our single track trails on public lands. Unethical as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    I think we have IMBA bike rules in place for a reason.
    IMBA rules like this (?):

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    Tips for Reducing Injury Severity
    8. Reduce MOI (mechanism of injury)

    - Reduce speeds with slow speed turns and technical features
    - Reduce fall height
    - Consider directional trails to eliminate combined speed of possible collision

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    4. Yield Appropriately: Do your utmost to let your fellow trail users know you're coming — a friendly greeting or bell ring are good methods. Try to anticipate other trail users as you ride around corners. Bicyclists should yield to other non-motorized trail users, unless the trail is clearly signed for bike-only travel. Bicyclists traveling downhill should yield to ones headed uphill, unless the trail is clearly signed for one-way or downhill-only traffic. In general, strive to make each pass a safe and courteous one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    I think we have IMBA bike rules in place for a reason. Save the one direction trails for the gravity assisted bike parks. Making exceptions on BLM land and lack of consistency on all BLM land for multi use trails is a poor idea.

    Strava**holes are taking over Fruita over a few seconds saved... sad. Keep the competition, timed trials and racing against the clock for a time on sanctioned race courses and keep them off of public land use trails on BLM property. We see the same crap locally any time industry folks in the bike parts business show up on our trails for beta testing, using public lands as a test track to take their equipment to the limit on public multi use trails.

    Industry insiders are a problem on our trails. A big problem. There is more to riding a mountain bike than racing, or training to race. Really getting tired of the sense of entitlement by folks in the industry acting and feeling superior to commoners on our single track trails on public lands. Unethical as hell.
    starting to see this a lot more on the popular trails around crested butte now too in the summer. Every time I've gone to fruita I usually start my rides earlier in the morning and they are empty which is quite nice for someone like me that is slow

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    Sounds like I picked a perfect weekend trip from Fort Collins to ride 18 road for the 1st time!

    When I was living in Bend, OR COTA adopted a similar approach to a couple trails that were clearly used 95% of the time as downhill, which was very cool, as there were multiple ways to get to the top & ride down. Line of site was not very good & DH speeds were high, made sense there, probably same as 18rd. Now if I can get Nate A. to get out of the house & go with me, that would be epic

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    I only come to Fruita once a year for the FTF but if there was ever a trail that should be DH only, it might be Kessel's....specifically due to the speed of the DH traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    I think we have IMBA bike rules in place for a reason. Save the one direction trails for the gravity assisted bike parks. Making exceptions on BLM land and lack of consistency on all BLM land for multi use trails is a poor idea.

    Strava**holes are taking over Fruita over a few seconds saved... sad. Keep the competition, timed trials and racing against the clock for a time on sanctioned race courses and keep them off of public land use trails on BLM property. We see the same crap locally any time industry folks in the bike parts business show up on our trails for beta testing, using public lands as a test track to take their equipment to the limit on public multi use trails.

    Industry insiders are a problem on our trails. A big problem. There is more to riding a mountain bike than racing, or training to race. Really getting tired of the sense of entitlement by folks in the industry acting and feeling superior to commoners on our single track trails on public lands. Unethical as hell.
    One issue that I haven't seen addressed here, and one that in my opinion makes yielding to uphill traffic undesirable is the cryptobiotic soil in Fruita.
    Reducing the number of riders getting off of the trail reduces the amount of damage to surrounding crypto'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    IMBA rules like this (?):

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    8. Reduce MOI (mechanism of injury)

    - Reduce speeds with slow speed turns and technical features
    - Reduce fall height
    - Consider directional trails to eliminate combined speed of possible collision

    Or
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    4. Yield Appropriately: Do your utmost to let your fellow trail users know you're coming — a friendly greeting or bell ring are good methods. Try to anticipate other trail users as you ride around corners. Bicyclists should yield to other non-motorized trail users, unless the trail is clearly signed for bike-only travel. Bicyclists traveling downhill should yield to ones headed uphill, unless the trail is clearly signed for one-way or downhill-only traffic. In general, strive to make each pass a safe and courteous one.
    Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you stack heavily going off line trying out a new line off of 18 rd last year and the video camera was rolling as you piled... and you got busted up pretty badly trying that new line, were off the bike for quite a while, going offline, several months, doctors orders? Pretty sure it was you, so, I ask, what are you doing blazing new trails and new lines to save time for your strava bragging rights on BLM land on that special crypto soil?

    Like I should do as you say, not as you do, right? Yeah.... WTF?, and it don't mean "Welcome to Fruita" That kind of behavior on Youtube makes you unwelcome, it's the kind of ammo BLM loves to use to shut stuff down.

    Just saying.... people in glass houses shouldn't be casting stones. Your veracity and credibility just died on the vine with me.
    Because the faster you go, the better your chances of injury when you crash. And one way traffic built or modified trails guarantees higher speeds. Multi use multi directional trails that keep speeds down under 15 mph are far less likely to result in serious injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you stack heavily going off line trying out a new line off of 18 rd last year and the video camera was rolling as you piled... and you got busted up pretty badly trying that new line, were off the bike for quite a while, going offline, several months, doctors orders? Pretty sure it was you, so, I ask, what are you doing blazing new trails and new lines to save time for your strava bragging rights on BLM land on that special crypto soil?

    Like I should do as you say, not as you do, right? Yeah.... WTF?, and it don't mean "Welcome to Fruita" That kind of behavior on Youtube makes you unwelcome, it's the kind of ammo BLM loves to use to shut stuff down.

    Just saying.... people in glass houses shouldn't be casting stones. Your veracity and credibility just died on the vine with me.
    Because the faster you go, the better your chances of injury when you crash. And one way traffic built or modified trails guarantees higher speeds. Multi use multi directional trails that keep speeds down under 15 mph are far less likely to result in serious injury.
    I have no idea what you are talking about. The last time I crashed hard was in Crested Butte, that one was caught on camera - we were shooting a promotional video for the mountain. I broke my pelvis - Oct. 2011.

    Perhaps you are thinking of someone else? Or maybe I am forgetting something?

    I have a great relationship with the local BLM officials and our local advocacy group Copmoba. And I really like Strava. And I stay on the trail. Not sure why you have a personal issue with me....
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post

    Perhaps you are thinking of someone else? Or maybe I am forgetting something?

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    Ouch! I think the other poster thought he was going to show you with his rambling, accusatory post. Know your facts before posting.

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    I think this topic has gone off on a tangent with someone suggesting its Strava users who are asking for and using one way trails for time runs. That may be happening but the riders I see and ride with are polite on the Fruita trails and wait for slower riders to find a safe place to pass. If uou have ridden Kessels or Mojo you now that it flows down a wash and almost everyone rides it down. ironically the 2 riders I met going up Kessels one day were in full racing kit with matching team jerseys,shorts,and probably their saddles matched. I have never inyears of riding there had anyone yell at me to yield the trail. Maybe I'm missing something with a group of Strava addicts at 18 rd. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I don't see it on Kessels, Joes,Primecut, and the trails out there.

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    Maybe he was thinking of the cattleguard incident, many years ago, on a dirt road....

    At any rate, thanks for working with the BLM and COPMOBA, we appreciate it.

    My .02, directional suggestions will help keep the trails narrow, so they are a necessary evil. I will continue to ride the trails the direction that I like when it is appropriate, such as when it's mid week and mine is the only car in the lot.

    Trivia: We built Kessel as an uphill trail so we could ride Primecut without worrying about traffic. Who knew the tables would turn!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fruitafrank View Post
    Maybe I'm missing something with a group of Strava addicts at 18 rd. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I don't see it on Kessels, Joes,Primecut, and the trails out there.
    I don't think you're missing anything. Strava is just the latest boogieman to blame everything many people don't like on. Like with most scapegoats, there may be a small element of truth in their vilification, their transgressions are usually greatly exaggerated by people who want to blame all that is wrong with the world on everyone but themselves and their tribe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    I don't think you're missing anything. Strava is just the latest boogieman to blame everything many people don't like on. Like with most scapegoats, there may be a small element of truth in their vilification, their transgressions are usually greatly exaggerated by people who want to blame all that is wrong with the world on everyone but themselves and their tribe.
    Lycra, not Strava. It's clearly lycra that's the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcollins View Post
    Lycra, not Strava. It's clearly lycra that's the problem.
    And matching kits. Man, those people are everyting that's wrong with the world.

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    Did 18 road yesterday. Can not believe I drove all that way from CA to ride PBR. Very disappointed in it, whoever put those stupid boosters in there should be canned, they are so unnatural it's disgusting, reminds me of stupid Supercross "courses" built by excavators, instead of a true motocross course built on the lay of the land.

    While I only put in 900 miles to get here, I feel sorry for the guy parked next to me that drove all the way from NH, and the other one from MA. Place seemed a lot better the last time I was here, now it feels like a park in a big city. Can't wait for them to start charging $5 per car for parking.

    The Overflow camping section will soon be gone, closed down, looks like they are putting in another outhouse, they were digging the pit for it, and adding more paying campsites.

    Loma and Moab are my kind of place, 18 Rd, is a zoo and a tourist trap.

    My score? Over rated, completely lacking on aesthetics, riding 18 Rd.

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