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    Quote Originally Posted by Drop the Seat View Post
    I rode Rim Trail in Rabbit Valley on Saturday. Bad move. Way too many MX riders out there. Just got super annoying.
    Yeah, the Western Rim and the 3&4 areas at Rabbit Valley can get quite a few MX riders around and they are annoying. If you go to the other parts of the area more in the Utah side of Rabbit Valley there seems to be less riders. Westwater Mesa Trail has some pretty techy sections that you would have to be an excellent MX rider to attempt with the possiblity of getting your bike stuck way out there, mountain bikers can just pick their bikes up and walk over the stuff...so you don't see too many MX riders out there. Be sure to bring a map.

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    Grand Mesa conditions

    Any info on conditions on the Grand Mesa? Pretty hot today at 18 road thinking of doing a ride up on the Mesa Wednesday. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffSkisMontana View Post
    Any info on conditions on the Grand Mesa? Pretty hot today at 18 road thinking of doing a ride up on the Mesa Wednesday. Thanks!
    After past experience going up to the Mesa in spring it has always been snow and mud. It's hard to realize it when the valley is scorching and you look up there and it looks fine but when you get up there it's pretty nasty until mid-end of June usually. But the mud and remaining snow have nothing on the mosquitoes, those things up there will eat you alive until mid July. A rule of thumb that seems to work out ok seems to be if you can see just a tiny piece of white snow on the Mesa from the valley, just a spec, the woods up there are still going to be full of snow. I haven't been up there this year but if you go let us know how the conditions are.

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    In Utah we have created a "Trail Conditions" map, which allows local shops and trail building organizations the ability to set trail conditions (muddy, dry, snow, etc.) which are shown in real-time on a Google Map. We have recently added the Fruita trails and the Grand Junction Lunch Loops.

    The Skid Map

    If any shops or groups would like to take ownership of a trailsystem and provide updates, email us at "info@skidmap.com". We would need a shop logo and information so that we can give credit and put your location on the map as well. Cheers.

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    Anyone done Western Rim lately? How sandy is Trail #2 and the road? Bad enough to skip and just drive in further?

    Edit: Rode it today. Definitely some sandy spots that required a quick walk or grunting through. But overall it was fine. Parking at McDonald would have cut out a few sandy spots but bombing back on Trail #2 is enough fun that it's almost worth the sand.
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    Thinking of a road trip out to Fruita/GJ in the next week or so - not very familiar w/ December conditions there other than checking out the weather reports. Can anyone shed some light on how the trails are riding right now?

    Much appreciated!

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    as of 11 December 12, trails are dry and ride able. all of them. if you facebook, fruita trail conditions are updated here Over The Edge Sports - Fruita, CO - Men's Clothing Store, Women's Clothing Store | Facebook

    and here Fruita Mountain Biking - Fruita, CO - Sports Venue/Stadium | Facebook

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    perfect! thanks!

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    I know that the trail conditions are going to be in flux over the next week or so with melting snow, but has anyone ridden recently (Dec 20th)?

    I'd like to ride over the long weekend, so even a snow-packed Rustler's Loop would do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drlg View Post
    I know that the trail conditions are going to be in flux over the next week or so with melting snow, but has anyone ridden recently (Dec 20th)?

    I'd like to ride over the long weekend, so even a snow-packed Rustler's Loop would do.
    Good deal for the Grand Valley that you've finally gotten some moisture. I was watching the CDOT cams yesterday, and it looked like a fair amount.

    I'm going to be watching for next weekend. So keep us posted about how things are looking, OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Good deal for the Grand Valley that you've finally gotten some moisture. I was watching the CDOT cams yesterday, and it looked like a fair amount.

    I'm going to be watching for next weekend. So keep us posted about how things are looking, OK?
    Ayup, we got some of what we needed. More coming--hallelujah.

    As far as trails right now, it's a mixed bag. Despite the fact that
    temps have been constantly below freezing (21* for a high today, 3* right now) since the snow, south facing stuff like Rustler's/H'thief/Mary's are getting enough solar gain during the day to goopify. Not bad yet, but only going to get worse.

    North facing stuff like Lunch Loops is better, especially the higher you get. Closer to the parking lot (flatter, less shadowy) is softening up too. Expect it to get ugly as things warm up this week.

    You'd think Moore/Mack would be good because of their exposure, but last I saw no one had broken those trails yet. Freshies, anyone?

    Could be a good time to enjoy the sand in RV or WW.

    Meanwhile, West Bench and Mesa Lakes trails are riding great with fat tires on the Mesa. May poke around up top the next few days as more slednecks get up to pack the normal loops and connectors.

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    Mary's/Horse-thief Bench

    Just went for a hike yesterday out Mary's to Horse-Thief. With the temp's not getting into the 40's we'll be waiting a while to get back on the trails.
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    fat bike riding time. loma is slippery.

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    Any updates on trail conditions out there? I know it's been cold and will remain so, but what are the conditions of Lunch Loops etc? Packed snow? Snow/dirt mix?
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    Just got some new snow this morning

    I've run a couple of the Lunch Loop trails the last 2 days.
    Yesterday there was a Dirt/Packed snow mix on the South facing trails. Everything else was packed snow.
    This morning theres an additional 3/4" of new snow out there.
    At least its warmed up a bit.

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    Sounds a lot like Denver except you have actually had colder temps. Thx for the update.
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    Next week looks warmer (for now) Hope to be riding mostly dirt again soon!

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    Any updates on Fruita conditions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetdoctor View Post
    Any updates on Fruita conditions?
    Snow.

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    but it's packed down snow, and people are riding on regular, non fat bikes. for now. supposedly new snow is coming in, don't know if it will really happen or not.

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    I rode LL when I was out there last week. The main climb and High Noon and Pete E were pretty good/packed. No bike had ventured up past widow maker and Holy Cross was not packed well enough for an attempt unless you have a fat. The cold you all are having is something! I then drove back to Denver and rode almost all week last week in shorts on dry trails. That inversion is crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post
    Snow.
    Worse! Right now constant cold rain. Trails are some combination of icy and muddy. The hard packed snow was good but this looks like a mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcollins View Post
    Worse! Right now constant cold rain. Trails are some combination of icy and muddy. The hard packed snow was good but this looks like a mess.
    On the bright side, it's melting the snow - at least down here in Moab. Got a little ways to go, but slowly making our way back to rock/dirt trails...

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    Great weekend for snow melt. I was out yesterday morning and 80-90% of the snow was off some of the lunch loop trails due to the rain we got this weekend. Can't say what will happen the rest of the week with the WX but yesterday was the 1st morning in a month or so without the trails being mostly packed snow.

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    Anyone been riding on the trails in the last few days? I would imagine that it's muddy most of the day. How about in the mornings. AT what time does it start to thaw? Before then, are the trails icy or not?

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    Lunch Loop's are about 90% snow free. BUT as things warmed up today the grey/red/green mud was mostly unridable. I was on the trail before 9 and by 1000 things were melting/sloppy in some areas. Until the trails dry out a bit I'll be riding while they are still frozen.

    I would have liked to ride longer but had to cut my ride short due to the muddy conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H2o-Bar View Post
    Lunch Loop's are about 90% snow free. BUT as things warmed up today the grey/red/green mud was mostly unridable. I was on the trail before 9 and by 1000 things were melting/sloppy in some areas. Until the trails dry out a bit I'll be riding while they are still frozen.

    I would have liked to ride longer but had to cut my ride short due to the muddy conditions.
    I checked it out myself this morning (8:30 - 10:15am). Did Pet-e-Kes, High Noon, Miramonte Rim, Clunker, Holy Bucket, bottom of Holy Cross and Kurt's Lane. Trails were mostly still frozen and solid or else dry. The snow covered sections were all rideable with no bad ice. The ridge on Kurt's Lane was sloppy by 10am.

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    Lunch Loops

    Lunch Loop's continue to dry out. And most excellent most every where before things Thaw.

    Pre-Nup and the eastern parts of High noon are tore to piss (rut's almost the whole length of Pre-Nup). Get after it early and you'll have a blast.

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    I was thinking LL was still probably no go due to all the shade (unless going early). Anybody been out to Loma or 18rd?

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    Some of the worst trail damage occurs in winter or spring. Tire tracks thru the middle of the trail will heal over, but the people that go around the mud puddle or icy spot in the middle create long-term trail widening. Or people that skid off the trail due to muddy or slick conditions make visible tire scars off of the trial that will be there the rest of the year.

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    With a bit of care one can avoid damage by riding while it is still frozen. Based on trail conditions last weekend, it looks like some have ridden after the thaw - there are some visible tire ruts in the middle of the trails. But none of that was too bad. I did notice much more "chop" in the trails due to foot traffic - boots and dog prints. Some sections were like 18rd in the spring after the cows have done their work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcollins View Post
    With a bit of care one can avoid damage by riding while it is still frozen. Based on trail conditions last weekend, it looks like some have ridden after the thaw
    I agree with you, but others don't because you can drive by the parking lot at any time of the day an there are vehicles there rain, snow, mud, dust or sunshine.

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    Got out to Fruita yesterday. Rode the frontage road over to Steve's Loop. The section of 2 track from Macks Ridge to the Frontage rd is nasty. Looks like it will be a bit till that section dry's out.

    Steve's/Mary's was in pretty good shape (95% dry-ish). Got into Horse-thief Bench. Got about .6 in then got into super muddy conditions (same spot that had lot's of snow last week). I'm sure you could get it before it thaw's but for now it looks like it will need to dry out a bunch more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H2o-Bar View Post
    Got out to Fruita yesterday. Rode the frontage road over to Steve's Loop. The section of 2 track from Macks Ridge to the Frontage rd is nasty. Looks like it will be a bit till that section dry's out.

    Steve's/Mary's was in pretty good shape (95% dry-ish). Got into Horse-thief Bench. Got about .6 in then got into super muddy conditions (same spot that had lot's of snow last week). I'm sure you could get it before it thaw's but for now it looks like it will need to dry out a bunch more.
    Pretty much agree with above. Went out this AM and did a full loop of Mary's (clockwise) we hit the Mack Ridge area at 9:10 and it was just in time. Steve's to Mack ridge on Mary's is full of snow, ice, and mud. We just made it before it thawed enough to leave tracks. I would suggest that if you plan to try it, BE OFF TRAIL by 9am. Mary's all the way to the gate is probably fine out and back, only a couple puddles that could easily be avoided without going off trail. Would be real hesitant to try anything with shaded or north facing sections unless it was completely frozen. There is a north facing section just before Steve's (going clockwise) that is tore up pretty bad.

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    What about Rustlers? I need to start logging some miles during lunch hour.

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    Rustlers is still not good. the sweet downhill singletrack is rutted from people trying to ride it while it's muddy. it's in the shade, still not dry. moments ago as i type this, (4:51 pm, sunday) just talked to some guy (not from around these parts) who said prime cut is muddy. no f^&*ing s%^t.

    we all love riding and want to ride. it's not like we are trying to keep all the riding to ourselves. seriously, let the trails dry out so they aren't all jacked up when it actually *IS* riding season.

    here is a pic from 7 Feb of rustlers. it's not much better now.
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    Agree with snark. I don't think there is any viable "lunchtime" riding. Mary's out and back to the gate possibly but it was all frozen when I rode it this am so I can't say if parts would be too soft during mid day. It looked ok though. We're just all gonna have to stay patient. This was my first ride in like two months and if it wasn't still frozen around Steve's it would have been bad!

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    Maybe I'll just try 'riding' some GJ N desert doubletrack this week.

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    This Saturday conditions at the lower ends of Lunch Loops were great - before 9am, at which stage there were perhaps 5 cars in the parking lot. Trails such as High Noon and Holy Bucket still had significant stretches which were moist, but still frozen early. Once it thaws these will be a sloppy mess as the new ruts show.

    On Sunday afternoon, I took my son to the LL bike park, which is fine. The parking lot was half full! Droves of people were out. Perhaps some trails were dry, but it's hard to imagine completing much of a loop without plowing through some slop.

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    Ok, I have a good alternative trail option for all. I rode Spanish Trail / Gunnison Bluffs yesterday (Sunday) afternoon. The trail conditions weren't the greatest, but mainly because of extensive horse traffic. The desert or north end of the loop was soft and bumpy but tolerable and not muddy. There was only one shaded wash crossing which was muddy so aside from that area there was no trail damage to be had. The river or south end of the loop was solid and fine. I am also eager to ride better trails too but patience, restraint and some good judgement by people will help improve future rides. Please post open alternative trail suggestions / alternatives on here. Maybe that will help keep pressure off of the trails not yet ready to ride.
    Thanks.
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    Amasa Back and slickrock are both snow free and riding great. I hit up Moab this last weekend, saw at least 10 other people from the valley. Please stay off the valley trails, make the 1.5 hr drive to Moab. We have a lot of maintenance to do on our trails this year, if you'd like to help the calendar should be up on the COPMOBA website soon.
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    Any updates around gj/fruita? Was hoping to get out to 18rd if conditions have improved dramatically.

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    18rd is not ready yet. With the 50s forecast for the next week or so it might be good by next weekend. We are going out to walk the trails later next week to plan for some maintenance and finish the new trail. I'll give you a true report sometime next week. Marys is good as an out and back to the end of the singletrack.
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    Thanks Heckled. Might do Mary's or hit the LL early. Might even get a wild hair and head over to Moab if Klondike or Sovereign are ready. Time to check the UT forum!

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    we hit Amasa two weeks ago and EKG last weekend. they were both good to go. I had a trail report for Sovereign as good to go from another guy here in fruita. Poison Spider has a fest with demos going on this weekend if you head down there.
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    I rode at Tabegauche this morning (3/1) for the first time since mid-Dec. Parked at the Clunker TH and did Holey Bucket-Clunker-Ali-2xMiramonte Rim-Clunker. There a still a few damp spots that were frozen (not quite frozen, but firm enough to ride on). Overall, those trails were great.

    It would probably be prudent to ride in the early morning thru this weekend while the ground is firm in the extreme shaded north facing sections. Plus I bet it will be tough to find a parking spot this weekend during the day if it hits 50 deg. Everyone and there dog will be there (possibles multiple dogs per person).

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    Rode at LL yesterday (2/28) while it was still frozen. Did Miramonte Canyon, Ali-ali, Raven's Ridge, High Noon and Eagle' Tail. Those were mostly clear of snow and damp spots except for:

    High noon - snow covering the trail at the NE end. Hard to say once it warms up.
    Eagle's - big snow patch amidst one of the boulder jumbles downhill from the Andy's intersection. This will probably be no-go once it thaws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    Thanks Heckled. Might do Mary's or hit the LL early. Might even get a wild hair and head over to Moab if Klondike or Sovereign are ready. Time to check the UT forum!
    I'd stay off Megasteps and avoid Jasper and Agate but other than that, it's pretty good. Amasa is indeed dry, dry, dry.

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    Got out to Fruita today. I rode Marys to Wrangler/Wrangler Cut-Off. Then over to Horsethief. The Enrty/Dougway still has snow and ice and there was also about 20 yds of snow back on the "stairsteps". There was only one section of real mud and that was the last 100yds of the trail (going clockwise).

    Overall the trail is in great shape and continues to dry out a bit more every day. Northern exposure's continue to hold snow/mud but as the days warm up they too will become rideable.

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    Snuck out to LL today. Here's a report......

    Pete-e-kes - great other than 2 shady spots within the last 100 yards or so. I got off and walked on the rocks.

    High Noon - two wet/muddy spots, probably rideable but I got off again. Gonna be some ruts there when it fully dries.

    Coyote Ridge/Raven Ridge/Ali Ali loop - 100% dry.

    Miramonte Ridge - 98% dry. One or two wet spots on the north side. Rideable without any damage.

    Curts - Fine

    I saw riders over on Holy Bucket but I did not make it over there. I remember some bad spots late last spring on that so I didn't head over.

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