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    Another Steamboat thread...what's dry?

    We're taking my in-laws to Steamboat this weekend. I'd like to get out for a nice long ride with lots of climbing. I'm pretty sure I have to ride from near the resort where we're staying since we'll have only one car. But I don't mind spending some time on pavement if I have to. Is anything dry enough? Or should I leave the MTB at home and bring my road bike instead?

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    heading up Thurs morning to the Boat..im bringin the DH and the AM bike..should be good to go.

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    More like whats not dry at this point.

    I'd say most everything is a go. Probably still some slop on the divide.

    I have ridden north routt as well and will be doing south routt thursday but have heard its a go too.
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    Weldo,

    BeanWife and I will be up there Friday. Gonna ride the Gondola one day and other stuff after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanMan
    Weldo,

    BeanWife and I will be up there Friday. Gonna ride the Gondola one day and other stuff after that.
    Sounds like we might need to meet up finally and ride....

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    Sweet!

    Quote Originally Posted by The SS Boz
    More like whats not dry at this point.

    I'd say most everything is a go. Probably still some slop on the divide.

    I have ridden north routt as well and will be doing south routt thursday but have heard its a go too.
    Good to hear. Now I just have plan a good ride!!

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    Weldo,

    You've got a PM.

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    10k ft area is still nasty. Just got a report from a roomie who went hiking.

    But still say most other stuff is good to go.
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    I don't know the area one bit (other than having skied one weekend this past winter).

    Any suggestions on what to ride? I'm looking to ride from town, 3-4 hours (or more), I like to climb, I like scenery (duh), I can handle most technical stuff. I plan to go buy a map or two today.

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    I don't know the area one bit (other than having skied one weekend this past winter).

    Any suggestions on what to ride? I'm looking to ride from town, 3-4 hours (or more), I like to climb, I like scenery (duh), I can handle most technical stuff. I plan to go buy a map or two today.

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    looks like a little rain might be in the picture, and if lightning is within a 20 mile radius, they will shut the gondi down...
    Riding tomorrow afternoon in the Boat through Sunday if anyone wants to meet up.

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    Weldo,
    what kind of ride are you planning. I'd like to do a longish (3-4 hr) ride on Saturday. I'll be staying somewhere near the resort.

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    prolly riding thurs pm, friday dh and sat am, then tubing the river hopefully..

    shoot me a pm Llama

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    Dry/cleared trails-

    North Routt is starting to dry out pretty good, but there are definitely still sloppy areas.

    -Coulton creek and Cutover have been cut out but have some pretty messy sections.

    -Scotts run got cut out last Thursday and was in really good shape. Only a few wet patches on the whole trail. unfortunately, there will be a group of 150 horses riding the trail later this month, so go get it now before it gets ruined!

    -The CDT singletrack between diamond park and Seedhouse is clear but there were some muddy spots on it last I checked. The creek crossings were doable if you dont mind getting your feet wet.

    -South Fork trail was cut out last week but the creek crossing is still flowing pretty good and I hear there are already more trees blown down on the trail already.

    -Same with Diamond park trail, cut out a few weeks ago and already has trees down on the trail. A dead tree almost fell on a lady who was hiking the trail last week so keep your heads up!

    -I heard that Pearl lake trail has been in great shape for a while now, but I haven't checked it out.

    Closer to town everything is ridable, with the exception of Mountain View and every other route that takes you to the top of Fish Creek falls trail. There are snow patches on Mtn. View as soon as you leave the ski area and it is solid snow once you drop into Long park.

    Please stay off the trails near the divide and give them time to dry out some. It sure would be nice if our user group had more respect for wet trails than all the clueless people on horses.

    And speaking of our user group, some a$$h0le with Continental tires rode the wilderness section of Red dirt/ Swamp park and left deep tire tracks in the mud for miles! Stuff like that really gives bikers a good name, good work.
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    -Coulton creek and Cutover have been cut out but have some pretty messy sections.

    I would stay off those two till they dry out more, the mud is in long (250+yard) sections and the trail is more hiking than riding. Plus, the trails are getting widened by users being forced into the grass by the 6 in deep mud. The horse traffic is also causing large water filled diviots that is slowing the drying.
    On south fork the river crossing was over the knee and flowing fast use extra caution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbsbiker
    -Coulton creek and Cutover have been cut out but have some pretty messy sections.

    I would stay off those two till they dry out more, the mud is in long (250+yard) sections and the trail is more hiking than riding. Plus, the trails are getting widened by users being forced into the grass by the 6 in deep mud. The horse traffic is also causing large water filled diviots that is slowing the drying.
    On south fork the river crossing was over the knee and flowing fast use extra caution.
    I've seen it too...that trail (wyoming) will need some re-routes soon regardless IMO.
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    The trails are dry and fast down here. In fact, I'm on my way up to Memphis Sunday morning for the Iron Butt 100.
    I was in the pain cave and I had dropped the flashlight, so it was pretty dark at that point. I was just hanging on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkoInTheBoat
    -Scotts run got cut out last Thursday and was in really good shape. Only a few wet patches on the whole trail. unfortunately, there will be a group of 150 horses riding the trail later this month, so go get it now before it gets ruined!
    Puke. 150 horses? Some kind of sturgis rally for horses up there?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chickenlegs
    Puke. 150 horses? Some kind of sturgis rally for horses up there?!?
    Yeah, a rally made up of a bunch of billionaire cowboys and high ranking forest service officials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbsbiker
    -Coulton creek and Cutover have been cut out but have some pretty messy sections.

    I would stay off those two till they dry out more, the mud is in long (250+yard) sections and the trail is more hiking than riding. Plus, the trails are getting widened by users being forced into the grass by the 6 in deep mud. The horse traffic is also causing large water filled diviots that is slowing the drying.
    On south fork the river crossing was over the knee and flowing fast use extra caution.
    Thanks for the beta SBS, I thought those nasty sections would have gotten a little better by now, guess not.
    Vista Verde ranch has done quite the number on the bottom of Coulton by taking horses on the trail too early this spring, and the salvage loggers ruined the first 1/3rd mile of Cutover.
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    "Yeah, a rally made up of a bunch of billionaire cowboys and high ranking forest service officials."

    What's your source for this? More info?
    after riding up there I don't think the trail could support this type of event and really think if it's a FS permitted event, they should not be granted access to trails that are so wet that lasting damage will result from such a large group of heavy horses.

    I'm always surprised at the lack of concern the FS has to damage caused by 2000# users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbsbiker
    "Yeah, a rally made up of a bunch of billionaire cowboys and high ranking forest service officials."

    What's your source for this? More info?
    after riding up there I don't think the trail could support this type of event and really think if it's a FS permitted event, they should not be granted access to trails that are so wet that lasting damage will result from such a large group of heavy horses.

    I'm always surprised at the lack of concern the FS has to damage caused by 2000#
    users.
    I was actually just going off of rumors I have been hearing, but a quick google search of "RRR" confirmed the groups existence, so I'd say chances are that they are coming to Steamboat this year. Yaaayy!

    From the Rocky Mountain News "The Roundup Riders of the Rockies, a secretive fraternity that has been conducting swanky rides through the Rockies for nearly 60 summers, paid about $15,000 to get a permit and pay for any damage they caused to trails or wetlands."

    ^Does that answer your question, sbs?
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    Yea, thanks, $15,000 that could build a lot of trails. There are a couple of sections of the divide trail comming out of diamond park that could use some help. Give that cash to the RMYC and put them to work.

    What about the rumors I keep hearing that the trail work done to Valley View is just the start of the ski area's plans to expand the trail system on mt Werner? I spoke to a RCR member that told me the ski corp is finally working to redo the master trail plan with expanded mtb trails and is looking for input? It's rumor, but more trails on the mt would be excellent, especally if we could get a exclusive DH, an easy uphill for beginners and expand the XC out into the flats below the chutes/onto the pioneer ridge area. I would love to ride out in the Flying Z to the top of golf course meadows and down to creekside, lots of room out there.

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    Good work on the berms on valley view...but a few of the kickers need to be removed for safety reasons, as I was almost hit on the ride up....or they either need to make it a downhill traffic only trail, although it is the BEST singletrack ride up the ski slope.


    Nice beta mentioned above in this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbsbiker

    What about the rumors I keep hearing that the trail work done to Valley View is just the start of the ski area's plans to expand the trail system on mt Werner? I spoke to a RCR member that told me the ski corp is finally working to redo the master trail plan with expanded mtb trails and is looking for input? It's rumor, but more trails on the mt would be excellent, especally if we could get a exclusive DH, an easy uphill for beginners and expand the XC out into the flats below the chutes/onto the pioneer ridge area. I would love to ride out in the Flying Z to the top of golf course meadows and down to creekside, lots of room out there.
    I just heard something similiar. A new uphill only and downhill only trail on werner? No details yet though.

    FYI big tree currently down on Creekside before the last water crossing. Careful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The SS Boz
    I just heard something similiar. A new uphill only and downhill only trail on werner? No details yet though.

    FYI big tree currently down on Creekside before the last water crossing. Careful!
    I came over the jump and happened to find that tree 1st thing Sat morning. We cleared out as much as we could so that you can crawl underneath, then reported it asap to the gondi guys thereafter.

    They really need more trails on the mountain. How many years now with nothing new???
    come on..they need to catch up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by weldo
    Good work on the berms on valley view...but a few of the kickers need to be removed for safety reasons, as I was almost hit on the ride up....or they either need to make it a downhill traffic only trail, although it is the BEST singletrack ride up the ski slope.


    Nice beta mentioned above in this post.
    I dont think that removing those little jumps will make the trail much safer. Downhillers just need to expect that there will be elderly hikers around every turn and ride accordingly.

    Whenever I ride valley view I repeatedly ring my bell as I approach every turn. Maybe the downhillers should consider doing something similar if they want to take those sweet turns at full speed. Back when I was a youngster doing downhill laps on the gondola I used to have a cow bell tied to my stem so that people could hear me coming long before I reached them.

    I have also heard rumors about a meeting that took place with the ski area about bike trails. Maybe the ski area's senior management is finally getting with the times... who knows.
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    Marko,

    Do you have a beard to go with your bell? Just curious, i tried to follow a guy down Spring Creek who was ringing a bell constantly. I thought it might be a good idea to stay on his wheel for that reason. Alas, I missed a turn and ended up in the ferns, no wounds though.

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    One would think that Interwest would understand the value of summer sports like mtbiking. I hear that Whistler has some trails...a jump or two..Maybe the RCR needs to have someone that looks to build trails on mt werner, instead of spending all the clubs efforts building trails on Orton'sprivate property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbsbiker
    One would think that Interwest would understand the value of summer sports like mtbiking. I hear that Whistler has some trails...a jump or two..Maybe the RCR needs to have someone that looks to build trails on mt werner, instead of spending all the clubs efforts building trails on Orton'sprivate property.
    Just a thought....I think intrawest understands the value, but why build another sweet mtn trail system an hour or so up the road from winter park. The good and the bad of living here, being a lil bit more isolated....you don't get as many tourists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbsbiker
    One would think that Interwest would understand the value of summer sports like mtbiking. I hear that Whistler has some trails...a jump or two..Maybe the RCR needs to have someone that looks to build trails on mt werner, instead of spending all the clubs efforts building trails on Orton'sprivate property.
    ^^
    Yeah, then RCR can use all their time and resources trying to get approval from the ski area and USFS to build trails that the freeride community/ SSWSC downhill team would be happy to take care of themselves (without approval). But sure, I have got a few projects in mind at the ski area that could use some help from RCR volunteers.

    Whats wrong with Orton's property? M&G were talking about an optional freeride feature on the new trail thats going in. BTW, have you been up to see if any progress has been made? just curious because I haven't seen it in weeks.

    Intrawest understands all about the value of summer sports like mountain biking... but you have to wonder about the local management.
    I heard this quote come from the director of mountain biking at the ski area.
    "Downhill trails would require more liability insurance and nobody would be willing to pay the extra cash for the lift ticket"
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanMan
    Marko,

    Do you have a beard to go with your bell? Just curious, i tried to follow a guy down Spring Creek who was ringing a bell constantly. I thought it might be a good idea to stay on his wheel for that reason. Alas, I missed a turn and ended up in the ferns, no wounds though.
    Nope, not me. Have you checked out emerald mtn. yet beanman? The trails are MUCH better than spring creek.
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    Marko,

    I rode Emerald on Sunday. I still don't know the trail system very well but will remedy that sometime. Wifey wanted to ride Spring Creek and I try to keep her happy most of the time. I had a bunch of wokl to do for my Parents that they couldn't
    do for themselves so a bunch of the weekend was taken up by chores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkoInTheBoat
    ^^
    Yeah, then RCR can use all their time and resources trying to get approval from the ski area and USFS to build trails that the freeride community/ SSWSC downhill team would be happy to take care of themselves (without approval). But sure, I have got a few projects in mind at the ski area that could use some help from RCR volunteers.

    Whats wrong with Orton's property? M&G were talking about an optional freeride feature on the new trail thats going in. BTW, have you been up to see if any progress has been made? just curious because I haven't seen it in weeks.

    Intrawest understands all about the value of summer sports like mountain biking... but you have to wonder about the local management.
    I heard this quote come from the director of mountain biking at the ski area.
    "Downhill trails would require more liability insurance and nobody would be willing to pay the extra cash for the lift ticket"

    Nothing is wrong with all the work M&G are doing on Emerald, I just am worried that untill Orton get's his develpoment plan through, and the land's future is known we are really building an asset onto private property. There is no telling what will happen to the Orton property in the future. Orton has said that his family/trust has no interest keeping the property undeveloped, and in it's current shape. So if the city/county don't approve of a development that would pass his open space into permanant public domain, I have a fear that the orton property could be sold to a less community friendly developer that will put roads onto the property to access 35acre lots, and fence off everything west of Blackmeir as their private playground. AKA Alpine Ranch, Humble Ranch, or Sydney Peak. Maybe I'm being paraniod. I love the trails up there, and last nights race was some epic singletrack, that I would hate to lose, especally 'cause I helped build them.

    Meanwhile, like you said you have projects that you would like to see attended to, and I have ideas for some projects, but when I goto the RCR meetings and there is no discussion about other trail projects, only a briefing from G as to what trail they need help building on Orton's. Not exactly a democracy. I think one of the reasons that so many rogue trails are springing up around here is that there isn't a way for anyone to put up a proposal/design thru RCR that could get the clubs backing w/out it being totally designed, and built by M&G.

    Not to badmouth M&G I fully appreciate all the work they do, and love the trails they are building, I just think that much more is possible in this valley, and one couple can't do it all. I would love to see a master plan for trails developed for the valley, by the RCR so that trail work could be prioritized as to what the community thinks needs to be fixed/built.

    PS there is a work day sat 9-3 up on the Blair Witch/summit connector, the "new" Limon's Luge. FreeBeer, and Lunch.

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