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    Why does Colorado lack 12hr races

    Colorado has a pretty good endurance racing scene, but why aren't there any 12hr races around. I am familiar with Dawn til Dusk in NM and Mesa Verde in Cortez, but besides that, there doesn't seem to any others. Snowmass sounds like a horrible race, so thats out.

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    "scene" lulz

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    We had four different 12 hour DH races last year, you need a different bike
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    12/24 hour races - or repeated loop races get old after a while. They usually devolve into the "12/24 Hours of On-Your-Left" Because its either pass or be passed depending on your category and time of day.

    Mesa Verde is an exception in that the loops are so long the field gets strewn out. D2D in NM is the opposite - it can get busy like traffic rush hour in places. Snowmass is a great course and its an awesome event - I was there the first year and had a good time. The climbs are mostly road so their isn't much backup...and the descent is great. But I'd rather hit a 100-miler or some beautiful singletrack route in lieu of doing circles.

    I know in CA the trend 6 to 8 hour races because people don't want to spend all damn day doing these. There are lots of variables - personally I see it is a crappy race format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timo View Post
    12/24 hour races - or repeated loop races get old after a while. They usually devolve into the "12/24 Hours of On-Your-Left" Because its either pass or be passed depending on your category and time of day.

    Mesa Verde is an exception in that the loops are so long the field gets strewn out. D2D in NM is the opposite - it can get busy like traffic rush hour in places. Snowmass is a great course and its an awesome event - I was there the first year and had a good time. The climbs are mostly road so their isn't much backup...and the descent is great. But I'd rather hit a 100-miler or some beautiful singletrack route in lieu of doing circles.

    I know in CA the trend 6 to 8 hour races because people don't want to spend all damn day doing these. There are lots of variables - personally I see it is a crappy race format.
    Danm, I registered for dawn till dusk a couple of weeks ago, is it really that crowded? 12 hours in the Sage is a good race, I did the 24 hours last year - great food and not that crowded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Otis Towns View Post
    Danm, I registered for dawn till dusk a couple of weeks ago, is it really that crowded? 12 hours in the Sage is a good race, I did the 24 hours last year - great food and not that crowded.
    YMMV.....

    I did the Sage 24 hours a few years back and it was not crowded - I think mostly due to that long pavement section - and intermittent dirt road sections that allows things to clear up. D2D is all single track, which on the surface seems good, but it just jams things up in my opinion.

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    Dawn til Dusk is a pretty fun course. I rode it last year. I can see how it can get jammed up. Horrible weather last year seemed to keep a lot of people away and riders were leaving during the race. If it says anything about the course, I would actually ride if for fun.

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    24 Sage is Great

    Quote Originally Posted by Timo View Post
    YMMV.....

    I did the Sage 24 hours a few years back and it was not crowded - I think mostly due to that long pavement section - and intermittent dirt road sections that allows things to clear up. D2D is all single track, which on the surface seems good, but it just jams things up in my opinion.
    Back in '07/'08 when I was fit I was finding that a solo 12 was a pretty good format for me in terms of competitiveness. I had good finishes in the first Mesa Verde and in the '08 Dawn 'til Dusk. Then at the '08 Mesa Verde I was really trying to do well which is odd for me, I usually race just for the personal experience. I was finding the traffic pretty high there that year, and I was trying to stay ahead of a couple dudes who were clearly going to pass me until I could get through a tech section. I crashed hard. I still have marks on my back. I left the event after three laps. Have not done a 12 since then.

    Mitch's 12/24 Sage is a really cool event. I think the fact that he starts the 12 at midnight so that those racers have some night laps is unique. I've done that event 24 solo four times. I would probably do that and the 24 Old Pueblo again for sentimental reasons, but Timo is right, it can be lots of passing on singletrack doing lap races. I'm more into Big Friggin' Loops these days. Probably more or less done with lap racing (but never say never).
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    big friggin loops where you don't have to pay or ride in a crowd = WIN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Otis Towns View Post
    Danm, I registered for dawn till dusk a couple of weeks ago, is it really that crowded? 12 hours in the Sage is a good race, I did the 24 hours last year - great food and not that crowded.
    I throw out the opposite opinion. I am a big fan of D2D. Been there the last 5 or 6 years and really enjoy the course and the people. It is a great mix of whittlers to super fast folks and everyone, with the exception of the first lap, seems to be on the same page regarding passing. Yes there are more people than if you ride a long 100 mile loop but that is the nature of a shorter loop race. I am always amazed that riders actually yield the trail when I ask to pass. Sure wish all the season's races were as fun as this one.
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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by 32x18 View Post
    I throw out the opposite opinion. I am a big fan of D2D. Been there the last 5 or 6 years and really enjoy the course and the people. It is a great mix of whittlers to super fast folks and everyone, with the exception of the first lap, seems to be on the same page regarding passing. Yes there are more people than if you ride a long 100 mile loop but that is the nature of a shorter loop race. I am always amazed that riders actually yield the trail when I ask to pass. Sure wish all the season's races were as fun as this one.
    Cool - good to hear! I'm looking forward to it, hopefully the weather is better than last year. I always yield in long races, really what's the point in slowing someone else up? I'm not racing for money - hell I'm just riding to have a good time and suffer a little bit so I can get the endorphin rush.
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    I really liked D2D also

    Quote Originally Posted by 32x18 View Post
    I throw out the opposite opinion. I am a big fan of D2D. Been there the last 5 or 6 years and really enjoy the course and the people. It is a great mix of whittlers to super fast folks and everyone, with the exception of the first lap, seems to be on the same page regarding passing...
    I had a really good time the one time I did D2D. It did have a really cool vibe. Riders were cool, singletrack was b!tch!n' and there were lots of local folks, most but not all native Americans who were around volunteering and cheering.

    I will always remember at one point in the really cliffy part of the course beginning I was huffing my singlespeed up a steep next to a rock ledge. I almost rode right past her, but there was a tiny little native girl, maybe 2 years old, sitting there silently watching us all go by. Cute as a button.

    I know I said that I wouldn't be likely to do more lap races, but I guess I would say that I might consider that one again. It was fun. And seriously, that course is a blast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    I know I said that I wouldn't be likely to do more lap races, but I guess I would say that I might consider that one again. It was fun. And seriously, that course is a blast.
    LOL amigo - that is exactly the deal with these races, eh? The love-hate-love-hate thing goes on and on and on. A quick count in my head says that I've done exactly a dozen 12-hour solos. Every time I finish one I say it is my last. I kept my word last season, but with MV so close to home, I may very well be there.

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    My guess - Colorado riders are too busy just riding new $hit to bother racing a monotonous loop race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
    "scene" lulz
    I think it is more correct to say "seen".

    Also, un-timed ITTs are the way to roll. Always come home number 1 in those races.
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    [QUOTE=rogbie;8849990]I think it is more correct to say "seen".

    You are kidding, right?

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    Who would want to a ride bicycle for 12 hours straight?

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    24hr races are really 2 12hr races, back to back.
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    [QUOTE=brokefork;8850347]
    Quote Originally Posted by rogbie View Post
    I think it is more correct to say "seen".

    You are kidding, right?
    Well, the point of participating in a "scene" is to be "seen", right? Otherwise, you're just doing whatever it is you're doing, for example riding a bike for 12 hours.

    Have you seen what I did there?

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    [QUOTE=rogbie;8850963]
    Quote Originally Posted by brokefork View Post

    Well, the point of participating in a "scene" is to be "seen", right? Otherwise, you're just doing whatever it is you're doing, for example riding a bike for 12 hours.

    Have you seen what I did there?
    OK, makes perfect sense, or is it scents?

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    [QUOTE=brokefork;8850998]
    Quote Originally Posted by rogbie View Post

    OK, makes perfect sense, or is it scents?
    Now you're getting the since of things.

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