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    Whoa! REI blows em out the water

    I've been looking for a set of good hydro stoppers for a while. Checked the internet, checked the local shops, checked Ebay. The Goat and family are living off rice and beans so spending alot wasn't an option. Last call, made to REI.

    Jacob tells me they have their last set of F&R 2009 Avid Elixir R's on sale for $69 a piece. That's cheaper then the MSRP on a BB7 caliper.

    exactly 1 hour later I have my new brakes in my hands.

    Thanks REI!

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/goatshell/4287163509/" title="Avid Elixir R by Goat in a Turtle Shell, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4066/4287163509_9dd70ca5ef.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Avid Elixir R" /></a>

    By the way, XCguy if your reading this, change out the G3 rotor to any other. The vibration and humming issues you have should go away.

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    living off rice and beans
    debt reduction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjenkins@
    debt reduction?
    No, they're just really big on starch and protein.

    Good find, MGE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics

    By the way, XCguy if your reading this, change out the G3 rotor to any other. The vibration and humming issues you have should go away.
    I've got the G3s and they hum and vibrate like crazy with the Elixir Rs

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    [QUOTE=Nickle]No, they're just really big on starch and protein.

    And soluble fiber

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    Must have just been your REI. Website still lists them as $140 each.

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    Great find! When is the new frame arriving?
    I 3rd the G3 rotor issue. They are just too thin. When my rear rotor gets going, the whole frame resonates. Keeping the caliper perfectly adjusted and using automotive anti-squeal on the rotor mounting bolts has only delayed the inevitable replacement. Don't waste time/money on the G2s either. They were even worse.

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    Another solution is to do a little maintenance and deglaze your pads and rotors once in awhile.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    Another solution is to do a little maintenance and deglaze your pads and rotors once in awhile.
    All part of keeping the caliper perfectly adjusted. Not really a solution, just delaying the inevitable. I, for one, do a lot of maintenance on my bikes. It takes a lot of the fun out of a ride when things aren't working properly.

    edit - I don't mean to sound contrarian... It's just that I had about 500 miles of misery with my first set of Juicy 7s before I figured out how to keep them in check. I almost replaced the J7s with Elixers which would have solved nothing. Frame flex and loose suspension pivot points can also aggrevate a healthy brake system. Anyway, back on topic - Enjoy the Elixers MGE. It is looking like you have a killer bike in the works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avion.nomad
    Great find! When is the new frame arriving?
    I 3rd the G3 rotor issue. They are just too thin. When my rear rotor gets going, the whole frame resonates. Keeping the caliper perfectly adjusted and using automotive anti-squeal on the rotor mounting bolts has only delayed the inevitable replacement. Don't waste time/money on the G2s either. They were even worse.
    New frame arrives Thursday.

    The Elixir's have a known humming vibrating issue brand new out of the box. Sram was replacing some for a few folks but for those that have em, just switch to a rotor of a different brand. I'm running the Alligator rotors myself.

    Late Edit: Rear is an Alligator rotor for now. When I get the Alfine back it'll be on a XT rotor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulser
    Must have just been your REI. Website still lists them as $140 each.
    Yup, it was their last pair of the 09's...all they have now is the 10' model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics
    I've been looking for a set of good hydro stoppers for a while. Checked the internet, checked the local shops, checked Ebay. The Goat and family are living off rice and beans so spending alot wasn't an option. Last call, made to REI.

    Jacob tells me they have their last set of F&R 2009 Avid Elixir R's on sale for $69 a piece. That's cheaper then the MSRP on a BB7 caliper.

    exactly 1 hour later I have my new brakes in my hands.

    Thanks REI!

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/goatshell/4287163509/" title="Avid Elixir R by Goat in a Turtle Shell, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4066/4287163509_9dd70ca5ef.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Avid Elixir R" /></a>

    By the way, XCguy if your reading this, change out the G3 rotor to any other. The vibration and humming issues you have should go away.
    Congrats on your good fortune. I tried everything, including changing out the rotors. The only thing that worked was getting a new set of Elixir Rs, 2010 model, as a replacement from Avid (thanks to Dave at Redstone). YMMV. They really are great brakes when they're not vibrating your bike to pieces. The replacement set was totally quiet, the first set...well, I'm sure you've read all about it over on the Brake forum.
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    Get off the brakes and they won't vibrate, you'll save money on tires, go faster, probably still get passed a lot, but you won't have that dang vibration problem. Stop skidding too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy
    Congrats on your good fortune. I tried everything, including changing out the rotors. The only thing that worked was getting a new set of Elixir Rs, 2010 model, as a replacement from Avid (thanks to Dave at Redstone). YMMV. They really are great brakes when they're not vibrating your bike to pieces. The replacement set was totally quiet, the first set...well, I'm sure you've read all about it over on the Brake forum.

    I'll keep that in mind if mine ever give me the shudders.

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    I almost have to laugh... When I was researching the J7 issue Avid was replacing G2 rotors with G3s. Then they admitted the G3s weren't really the solution and claimed the '09 Elixers would be the end all. Now I learn that the '09 Elixers have a known problem which is exactly, from what I'm reading, the same problem the J7s had.
    I must share a little trick though: ride Moab on a regular basis. When we were getting miles in out there my brakes were almost maintenance free. I think that Moab fine sand/silt keeps the rotors and pads perfectly seated. Now that I haven't been to Moab for over a month the vibes are starting again. Maybe next time out I'll bring a can of that magic sand back with me.
    I've got a hunch they won't be half the PITA on a hardtail

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics' blog
    Soma and the Merry Sales Co have been great about replacing the frames and now we have worked out a deal on a Double Cross instead.
    Just picked up a Double Cross (disc) myself. Really like the 132.5 rear, as I can throw some crappy roadie wheels on it for now. Then put some better ones on with an Alfine 8sp hub in the future, and I wont have to worry about spacing.

    Hope I can get it rollin soon, I am truly lost without my grociery getter (sold), especially now with local mud paths / sidewalks being all there is to ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T10irons
    Get off the brakes and they won't vibrate, you'll save money on tires, go faster, probably still get passed a lot, but you won't have that dang vibration problem. Stop skidding too!
    You've never ridden with mGe eh?
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    Chattering brakes save weight. No need for a passing bell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    Just picked up a Double Cross (disc) myself. Really like the 132.5 rear, as I can throw some crappy roadie wheels on it for now. Then put some better ones on with an Alfine 8sp hub in the future, and I wont have to worry about spacing.

    Hope I can get it rollin soon, I am truly lost without my grociery getter (sold), especially now with local mud paths / sidewalks being all there is to ride.
    Sweet! I've been wanting a cross bike for the paths and gravel for a while. Figure I can't be as hard on a cross bike as a mountain bike, right?

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    That discounted price is going to kill your rebate check!

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    Quote Originally Posted by topmounter
    That discounted price is going to kill your rebate check!
    Helps if I ever use use it. Had one last year, meant to use it, never did...discount on these made the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    Chattering brakes save weight. No need for a passing bell.
    I had to slow down for a pair of hikers on Spring Brook last year in about the second week of my Elixir R ownership. The noise coming from my rear brake (front was always silent) was incredible...and a choad numbing vibration as well.

    As I approached them one of them said "is there something wrong with your brakes?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy
    As I approached them one of them said "is there something wrong with your brakes?"
    Was your response "yes, I neglect them. Instead of taking some 200 grit sand paper to the braking surface of the rotors and pads once they get glazed over, I prefer to do nothing and then complain about them on the internet"?

    Whenever Avid brakes start whining, it tells you two things: 1) stop riding the brakes (or upgrade to larger rotors) and 2) it's time to sand the rotors. It's a 5 min job per rotor and you don't even have to remove the wheels. Just watch those fingers. Those foam sanding blocks can help protect the little guys.
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    5 minutes per? What, you include a safety break in that?
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle

    Whenever Avid brakes start whining, it tells you two things: 1) stop riding the brakes (or upgrade to larger rotors) and 2) it's time to sand the rotors.
    Na, just tells me to switch out rotors. I've owned two sets of Juicy's and they both hummed. Change out the rear rotor to a different brand and all is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics
    Na, just tells me to switch out rotors. I've owned two sets of Juicy's and they both hummed. Change out the rear rotor to a different brand and all is good.
    Sandpaper's cheaper.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    I agree with both perspectives. Over 2000 miles on a set of G2s because I'm too cheap to replace them. Even a LBS pulled every G2 off a Yeti production run (replaced with roundagons) a couple years ago to avoid the fallout.
    Moab Magic Sand is even faster than 200 grit sandpaper and more fun
    Who's complaining? We're just sharing information on an open forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics
    Helps if I ever use use it. Had one last year, meant to use it, never did...
    No wonder you're eating rice and beans.

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    Sounds like maybe Hayes aren't so bad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    Was your response "yes, I neglect them. Instead of taking some 200 grit sand paper to the braking surface of the rotors and pads once they get glazed over, I prefer to do nothing and then complain about them on the internet"?

    Whenever Avid brakes start whining, it tells you two things: 1) stop riding the brakes (or upgrade to larger rotors) and 2) it's time to sand the rotors. It's a 5 min job per rotor and you don't even have to remove the wheels. Just watch those fingers. Those foam sanding blocks can help protect the little guys.
    OK, Nickle, apparently you haven't experienced what I experienced. Here's a thread for ya, read it through then tell me I didn't try everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy
    OK, Nickle, apparently you haven't experienced what I experienced. Here's a thread for ya, read it through then tell me I didn't try everything.

    My new Elixir Rs or How to stop the dam howling
    There are 218 posts in that thread. Just answer this: did you try sanding the rotor braking surface and pads so they are no longer polished? They should look somewhat brushed after you're done; more like this.

    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    There are 218 posts in that thread. Just answer this: did you try sanding the rotor braking surface and pads so they are no longer polished? They should look somewhat brushed after you're done; more like this.

    Yeah, 218 replies. Sounds like I wasn't alone doesn't it.

    OK, to review: I tried---sanding the rotors sanding the pads changing out the rotors (G3 to G2 to Cleansweep to Roundagon) changing out the pads to organic changing out the pads to another brand changing out the adapters changing out the size of the rotor in back from a 160 to a 185 adjusting/readjusting/readjusting/readjusting/readjusting (correctly I might add) the caliper in back for straight, not tweaked taping a weight to the caliper to break up the funky oscillation adjusting the angle of the hose-to-caliper angle braking real hard to maybe knock some sense into the caliper using anti-seize on the backofpadtopiston contact area...I'm sure there was more.

    I spent more time trying to get the dam caliper in back to just STFU. And it wasn't like the infamous "Juicy howling". This was accompanied by a monster vibration, very disconcerting. The front was always completely silent. Finally I went to Dave at Redstone and asked him for help contacting Avid. He said he'd seen this before. He'd even completely re-built a caliper hoping that would solve it to no avail.

    He called Avid, said he had a customer with a noisy rear caliper that couldn't be fixed...and Avid, no questions asked, sent him (me) a brand-new 2010 set of Elixir Rs. Which were silent from the get-go. Dave's shop fridge was full of Dogfish Head 90/Sierra Nevada Torpedo from that day on, courtesy of this relieved customer.

    Plenty of peeps never had problems with their 2009s, I wasn't one of them. My experience with my BB7s (multiple sets on multiple bikes) was always complete silence. Wow, talking about this is bringing back up all the frustration I'd felt.

    Chances are the OP of this thread is not going to have any problems, hope so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Sounds like maybe Hayes aren't so bad...
    Puttin hydrolics on the SS last night, I had a pair of J7s and a pair of Strokers off my Reign...

    I went with the Juicys. (Strokers for cheap here, ya hear)
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    That was a GREAT buy... enjoy. Being a little larger than the average biker, at least in my riding group, I love the power and control I get from the Elixirs.

    I know that a number of people have had noise/vibration problems with Avid brakes but I've never run into it with mine. I have Juicy 5, 7's, and Elixirs with Alligator, G2's, & G3 rotors on my family's bikes and the couple of times I've heard any brake noise was after riding through water or when a little gritty mud was picked up. The condition was minor and went away almost immediately. I have never witnessed the shudder that some report.

    The only thing out of the ordinary was that I did have replace one G2 rotor that was a little over a year old. I guess I have been lucky. I do keep the maintenance up on the bikes but I am no where near as obsessive about it as a number of the forum members. I have the Avid semi metallic pads on all of the bikes and have never had to try organics as some have. Go figure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzguy
    That was a GREAT buy... enjoy. Being a little larger than the average biker, at least in my riding group, I love the power and control I get from the Elixirs.

    I know that a number of people have had noise/vibration problems with Avid brakes but I've never run into it with mine. I have Juicy 5, 7's, and Elixirs with Alligator, G2's, & G3 rotors on my family's bikes and the couple of times I've heard any brake noise was after riding through water or when a little gritty mud was picked up. The condition was minor and went away almost immediately. I have never witnessed the shudder that some report.

    The only thing out of the ordinary was that I did have replace one G2 rotor that was a little over a year old. I guess I have been lucky. I do keep the maintenance up on the bikes but I am no where near as obsessive about it as a number of the forum members. I have the Avid semi metallic pads on all of the bikes and have never had to try organics as some have. Go figure...
    Well, that just points out the vagaries of Elixir ownership. Waaaaay more peeps never have a problem, or maybe have some minor noise or vibration that quickly goes away. Riders in your position (having great Elixirs) could never imagine what the tiny percentile of owners go through. If I'd gotten the set I have now FIRST I'd have never started that thread. Hey, it's a story from the "olden days" I can tell my future grandchildren. "Tell us the story again about your howling Elixirs, gramps".
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy
    Hey, it's a story from the "olden days" I can tell my future grandchildren. "Tell us the story again about your howling Elixirs, gramps".
    Funny!!! ...At least it's funny now... it probably wasn't so fun to go through at the time. I had seen your original thread on this and was thankful to have avoided the issue.

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