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    Whaddup at Keystone this summer?

    The Trestle trails/lifts plans for this summer sound great.

    Sometimes my son and I like to take on the the natural terrain gnar found at Keystone. Anyone know of plans for Keystone upgrades for summer? Maybe i just need to be patient and wait for an announcement from Keystone?

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    What?? Keystone, upgrades?? C'mon.. no way..

    Ok, just teasing, sure would love to see them get on the bandwagon again, love riding there and used to spend all my lift access money there until last year...
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    With what I hear about the changes/additions going on at Winter Park I think Keystone will mostly only get the out of staters. I might go there for ol' times sake but, I'll probably spend most of my time a WP or Sol Vista.
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    I think the best thing you can say about Keystone, is that they open first.

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    Myself and several of my teammates love riding Keystone. And they have a MSC race again this summer, I wouldn't say they're out of the game. WP has Crankworx and Keystone supports the local MSC series, which also has a race at Sol Vista.

    I plan on hitting everything over the summer, including Angel Fire. You can all go to WP on weekends and I'll ride Keystone with no one around. Then on a week day I'll ride WP.

    As far as updates to the OP, I'd just give them a call. They're quicker to talk to you than update a web page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia
    What?? Keystone, upgrades?? C'mon.. no way..

    Ok, just teasing, sure would love to see them get on the bandwagon again, love riding there and used to spend all my lift access money there until last year...
    I think that Keystone doesn't feel the need to upgrade, because Breckenridge doesn't really offer DH riding. If they ever decided to do that, however, I bet Keystone steps up their game.

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    I hope they don't change a thing. Blue trails at Key are like double black trails at Winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopsalot
    I hope they don't change a thing. Blue trails at Key are like double black trails at Winter.
    That's only form lack of maintenance. j/k
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    Don't worry about riding at keystone this summer.

    The offishal word is summer ain't comin this year. No summer no mtb no nothing. keep your skis and boards waxed and enjoy an endless ski season. Total bummer but its da truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldsteele
    That's only form lack of maintenance. j/k
    And their lack of effort really shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopsalot
    And their lack of effort really shows.
    Not everything has to be a groomed berm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    Not everything has to be a groomed berm.
    Yeah, anyone who has a problem with braking bumps needs to take a suspension tuning clinic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    Not everything has to be a groomed berm.
    I agree, Keystone should just put the rakes and shovels away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopsalot
    I agree, Keystone should just put the rakes and shovels away.
    There's a balance between rough trail and too much groomed. Not every corner needs to be bermed and some wide open sections should be bumpy. But if there are berms they shouldn't have braking bumps.

    Happy now?

    If this snow ever stops and the lifts open I won't care what they have, I'll be happy to ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    Happy now?

    Your preaching to the choir

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
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    If this snow ever stops
    Not gonna happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kristian
    Yeah, anyone who has a problem with braking bumps needs to take a suspension tuning clinic.

    And all the freds who ride at KS need to lay off the brakes and quite making braking bumps...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser
    And all the freds who ride at KS need to lay off the brakes and quite making braking bumps...
    Not Gonna Happen.
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    People ride bikes at keystone still??? Hrmf, who knew?
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    How about we take the "let it burn approach" with the rotting cesspool of the Denver metro?

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    Im staying away from keystone this year, Im the making brake bumps master. Im the slow in determined, you all can be the fast and furious.

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    I don't care about brake bumps or grooming.. but how about some new stuff.. something, please.. doesn't even have to be a new trail, just some new features on the existing trails.

    I always have fun at keystone (except once when I thought it sucked but then it turned out I had the flu).. but I long for something new and exciting to appear..
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    Yes, I agree. KS needs to step it up. WP and SV are setting a brisk pace in terms of adding new trails and features, top bike rentals and shops. KS has waited too long and allowed WP and SV to catch them.

    However, let's face it: KS probably thinks DH is a loss leader. Only good to perhaps sustain ski passes and entertain wedding parties. I am waiting for the spectator bridge/path along the Milkyway jumps.
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    Keystone NEEDS new stuff. Their trail maintenance crews put so much time and effort into crap that didn't need attention. They pulled out roots last year on blue trails. . .WTF! There is maintenance that needs done but come on, lets not start sterilizing trails.

    DH tracks are supposed to be rough, so ya. . .there are going to be brake bumps. That is the whole damn reason bike companies make floating rear ends.

    Keystone has unlimited (and UNTAPPED) potential. They need to build more trails, more jumps (with more styles), and yes they do need a buff smooth trail like WP rainmaker as well in the mix.

    Keystone NEEDS better trail managers who actually ride ALL types of MTB, not just slopestyle! Also, IMO, ski patrol should remain patrol, and not be building or working on trails with out proper leadership from good trail builders.

    Also to bring in the folks with $$ new to gravity MTB (like the plenty that ride WP) keystone should invest immediatly in a green run, top to bottom, that is smooth, bermy and fun!! I would rather them make more 2x black trails but a green run is badly needed in their "trail mix" to remain competitive in the lift served market!

    Please Keystone- build it and they will come. . . .again otherwise you will become Kum&Go

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    Don't know if we'll get up there this year, but we always have a better time at WP. Gotta go figure out if I'm going to sell my Intense and get a ASR-7 first hmmmm....
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmrider
    Keystone NEEDS new stuff. Their trail maintenance crews put so much time and effort into crap that didn't need attention. They pulled out roots last year on blue trails. . .WTF! There is maintenance that needs done but come on, lets not start sterilizing trails.

    DH tracks are supposed to be rough, so ya. . .there are going to be brake bumps. That is the whole damn reason bike companies make floating rear ends.

    Keystone has unlimited (and UNTAPPED) potential. They need to build more trails, more jumps (with more styles), and yes they do need a buff smooth trail like WP rainmaker as well in the mix.

    Keystone NEEDS better trail managers who actually ride ALL types of MTB, not just slopestyle! Also, IMO, ski patrol should remain patrol, and not be building or working on trails with out proper leadership from good trail builders.

    Also to bring in the folks with $$ new to gravity MTB (like the plenty that ride WP) keystone should invest immediatly in a green run, top to bottom, that is smooth, bermy and fun!! I would rather them make more 2x black trails but a green run is badly needed in their "trail mix" to remain competitive in the lift served market!

    Please Keystone- build it and they will come. . . .again otherwise you will become Kum&Go
    I agree with the unlimited potential... but.. if they don't see the value in it, they aren't going to put the money into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmrider
    Please Keystone- build it and they will come. . . .again otherwise you will become Kum&Go
    I think you're over estimating the economic impact of lift served Mtn Biking.

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    Any novice trails recamended in keystone? Will they be open in late June?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCP80
    Any novice trails recamended in keystone? Will they be open in late June?
    Do Girl Scout to Let it Ride the first run (maybe the first 2 if you're shaky on run number 1). That route is basically just good "epic" singletrack without any real steeps or tech. After that, hit Mosquito Coast and then Eye of the Tiger which are the two blues. Both are steeper than Let it Ride but don't have much tech. TNT is the easiest black if you feel like you've mastered the blues. There is a little more tech on TNT and a few optional stunts.

    They usually are open the last weekend in June, but there has been a lot of late season snow this year--it will be touch and go with possibly only the lower part of the mountain open.

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    Man I forgot about those trails. I rode there three days a couple of years ago and the only crash I had was on girl scout. I know funny huh? I may have to ride a few times over there for ole time sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    I think you're over estimating the economic impact of lift served Mtn Biking.

    perhaps. . . . but if they are going to staff the lifts, and the restaurants, and all that, and then by only making new trails and focusing, TRULY focusing on making the park AWESOME, I bet they could double their attendance.

    also-- last time I was at winter park I saw a couple rolling in a brand new X5 w/ two BRAND new DH bikes on their hitch rack. These two people were brand new to the sport and coming in with heavy $$$ into the winter park base area. This is GOOD

    No offense to the scene at keystone, since I am one of the broke ass *****es w/ my shirt off in the parking lot next to my rust bucket. . .but that is the majority of the peeps at Keystone. They need to be attracting all the segments of the DH dudes/dudettes. Including the super rich newbies just getting into it who might not ever get very good, but they are there spending money and having fun; the bros; the college kids; the dirt bags; the pros. Hum. . . that sounds a lot like Whistler doesn't it. And that place has a lift line (from what I hear) all summer long.

    there is economic impact, especially as these young kids grow older, still ride and then have families and kids and the jobs to buy ****.

    And honestly, how much money does it take to make a trail. . . . .10% of what it takes upgrade one ski runs snow making equipment?? maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmrider
    And honestly, how much money does it take to make a trail. . . . .10% of what it takes upgrade one ski runs snow making equipment?? maybe?
    From what I learned hanging out with the Gravity Logic guys at WP is the manual labor isn't the biggest issue. You need some one who really knows how to fill out, in triplicate, the Forest Service TPS reports.
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    So is this what is going on in the trail building section of keystone?
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    Thx for the list of runs! Ive been looking them up and I hope they're easy enough for my girl who's novice. Were bringing our own bikes soother will help. Anybody stayed at river run condos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCP80
    Thx for the list of runs! Ive been looking them up and I hope they're easy enough for my girl who's novice. Were bringing our own bikes soother will help. Anybody stayed at river run condos?
    My then girlfriend/now wife rode those trails as a rank beginner on my hardtail 10 years ago.

    Has your girl ridden singletrack before? Does she know how to use the front and rear brakes correctly? Does she get the concept of "looking where you want to ride--not where you don't"? Have you ever practiced falling with her on a grassy surface? Those are skills you can work on before you get to Keystone to make your life a little easier and her time a little more enjoyable.

    One big tip for downhilling: it is really important that you drop her seat way down before starting--that will help her stability a lot. It should be about 4-5" lower for downhilling than normal riding.

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    I agree.. What Keystone and maybe Winter Park lack are those great green and blue runs that get people just starting hooked. In Whistler the greens are bermed and smooth and it makes you giggle. Maybe Winter Park has done that, I am not sure, but once you have them hooked, you have them for a long, long time. Keystone could have some long flowy trails....
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    Yes she has the basic concepts down but still needs more practice. I like the practice falling in the grass idea! Well have to try that, tho she has fallen a few times on our trails lol. She also adjusting to the 29er I just got her. As long as the trails are not straight down the mountain real fast I think she be ok! Thx kristian

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCP80
    As long as the trails are not straight down the mountain real fast I think she be ok! Thx kristian
    There isn't anything crazy about the greens so she won't have any problem--just take the first run slow and be patient.

    If you had to climb up to get to Let it Ride, it would be on most XC rider's lists of "epic Colorado Singletrack". However, since it's at a lift serviced ski resort, most XC riders turn up their nose and most downhillers go straight to the difficult stuff.

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    Here's what was said by Keystone Trail Crew at the end of last season:
    "The new Travel Management Plan for the White River Nation Forest is currently being put together and will be released in the spring (I think it just was). We put in requests for new trails and changes, they will most likely be accepted. Work will begin when snow melts. First priority will be a new green trail and it will be done by mid-season. Other new trails will follow but probably won't open till 2012. Basically, don't expect much for 2011 but 2012 should be a big improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCP80
    Thx for the list of runs! Ive been looking them up and I hope they're easy enough for my girl who's novice. Were bringing our own bikes soother will help. Anybody stayed at river run condos?
    We stayed at Cinnamon Ridge condos. They are down the hill a little bit. We liked them.

    Have fun,
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    Keystone, we don't even need new trails. For god sake just start by maintaining and upgrading the ones you have. Then we can start on building new ones. One thing at a time here. Oh and Winter Park has some awesome greens for the novice. I'm not sure what all that is about. My wife is as novice as they get and loves them.
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    I also heard today that Keystone isn't doing much this coming season as far as new trails goes. However putting jumps back at the base may come back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    . But if there are berms they shouldn't have braking bumps.
    Hahahaha, ever ridden A-line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny
    Hahahaha, ever ridden A-line?
    Nope, I've been to Whistler twice in the winter time. I don't need to get ripped off in the summer too. That place is stupid expensive.
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    Your are right and you are wrong.

    Right: The fact that Whistler cannot keep up with the maintenance of A line shouldn't be an excuse for other resorts. A line probably sees more riders in a week than most resorts in a season.

    Wrong: Whistler is worth it as far as DH goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaba Klaus
    Your are right and you are wrong.

    Wrong: Whistler is worth it as far as DH goes.
    That's what the ski/board world says too. How many times do magazines rate it #1? Constantly. I went there in 2002 and thought it was OK. I think I had selected memory and decided the mags and other media were correct so I went again in 2007. Nope, not worth it in the winter. Maybe because of the weather though. It rains there, they never say that in the media...until the Olympics, then events were postponed at the local Vancouver mountain and Whistler.

    So everyone says its the best DH evar! But those same folks have fun everywhere. I want to read a BAD review of the place and see what the deal is for comparison. If their idea of what is bad is not mine, then maybe its worth it. If the bad review hits on things that really do bug me then the $$ for ride ratio decreases below my acceptable level.

    If everyone says its awesome I question those opinions, the place can't be all unicorns and rainbows. I want to know what the summer equivalent to their getting rain in the winter is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    So everyone says its the best DH evar! But those same folks have fun everywhere. I want to read a BAD review of the place and see what the deal is for comparison. If their idea of what is bad is not mine, then maybe its worth it. If the bad review hits on things that really do bug me then the $$ for ride ratio decreases below my acceptable level.

    If everyone says its awesome I question those opinions, the place can't be all unicorns and rainbows. I want to know what the summer equivalent to their getting rain in the winter is.
    Well, experiences may vary... but I had 2 great summer vacations to Whistler so far (2009 and 2010). Both were in middle to late August and no rain. As I went outside of the usual vacation months I didn't pay a fortune on accomodation and lift lines were negligible.

    In 2009 I went expecting to be disappointed. Come on, we got WP, KS and SV. What can Whistler offer beyond THAT? Turned out to be quite a lot. More trails. More variety of trails. Longer trails. More challenging trails.

    I am hoping to be able to go in 2011, too.
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    Whistler is like WP, KS and SV all rolled up into one. Then make it bigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allmtnman
    Keystone, we don't even need new trails. For god sake just start by maintaining and upgrading the ones you have. Then we can start on building new ones. .


    Umm. . . . no- we do need new trails. And there is very little maintenance that needs to be done, except cleaning up lips and landings and a few berms.

    Also how do you upgrade a trail (besides putting more jumps in, if that is what you were refering to)

    But yes! there needs to be new trails.

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    If everyone says its awesome I question those opinions, the place can't be all unicorns and rainbows. I want to know what the summer equivalent to their getting rain in the winter is.[/QUOTE]

    There are unicorns and rainbows..
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    there has to be a premier DH resort.. and Whistler is it, without question, it has everything anyone could want... and like Kaba said, besides the ticket price, you can stay in Whistler Village for a very affordable price.... July 10-14.. will be there, can't wait, for sure the highlight of my year, every year..
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