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    West Mag Riders: how do you get high?

    Last night, riding up Schoolbus, we came upon two riders coming down. One of the riders repeatedly expressed surprise at someone riding up Schoolbus, he seemed to feel like it was a trail that should be ridden downhill only and was usually/always ridden downhill only (he wasn't mad at us for riding up it, just incredulous).*

    Now, I understand the concept, as I have been similarly flummoxed when encountering people riding up the Carwash, a trail I feel makes way more sense as a descent (who knows, maybe that's the trail he rode up, though I have only encountered uphill riders on it a couple of times). But Schoolbus -- for all of its fun as a downhill -- has always seemed like the perfect way to climb trail to get up high; it's not too steep and not too technical, with a little challenge thrown in here or there. While climbing the road may be faster, I (and I know I'm not the only one!) often want to ride trail, not road, and if I'm going to bike up a trail in that area, Schoolbus makes the most sense.

    So, West Mag riders, how do you get high?

    * If you are the rider in question, please don't take offense to this post. You were courteous, we all yielded appropriately, etc, I just was curious about this, and I neglected to ask you how you did ride up to go down Schoolbus.

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    I go every which way including up school bus.
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    Schoolbus is the easy way up for sure, but I don't like out and backs, so I use one of the many other ways to get to the top, then come down Schoolbus, that way I'm not getting in the way of anyone's fun decent. There are ways to link other trail and road sections to get up there. I can understand why people ride up Schoolbus, it's a nice easy gradient for climbing, but I think people should avoid climbing it during the busy hours and weekends. Just my $0.02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skogorbet View Post
    Schoolbus is the easy way up for sure, but I don't like out and backs, so I use one of the many other ways to get to the top, then come down Schoolbus, that way I'm not getting in the way of anyone's fun decent. There are ways to link other trail and road sections to get up there. I can understand why people ride up Schoolbus, it's a nice easy gradient for climbing, but I think people should avoid climbing it during the busy hours and weekends. Just my $0.02.
    See, this is the part I don't understand. Yes, undoubtedly one could ride road (and if you want to argue people should only ride the road up, I disagree, but that's just one of those agree to disagree things), but if riding trail, why is one of the other trails preferable to Schoolbus (especially if the Bus has the best gradient for climbing). All of the possible trails up are sweet descents, right? So, if riding trail, it makes way more sense to ride up the one that makes for good uphill riding, rather than the ones that don't, when all of the trails are sweet downhills (by no means do I always come down the Bus; in fact, it's probably my least favorite of the 3 easy choices that I usually make).

    Of course, Wednesday evening at 7pm is hardly one of the "busy hours" (these 2 riders were 2 of 3 riders we saw on the trails, period).

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    For me, and it's all just personal preference, I like to climb the segmented trail sections and descend one continuous singletrack than the other way around. But again, everyone rides different and has different ideas on what makes a great ride, neither way is right or wrong. But I think most people are descending Scoolbus so more traffic and user conflict will occur by climbing it, again just my perspective. Wednesday at 7 is a perfect time to ride, I'm surprised you saw anyone at all.

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    to answer the question...
    I general approach from the south via fire roads and single track segments, most of which are heinous to climb.

    on to the gist of what you are getting at.
    1) I am huge fan of directional trails, official and unofficial. I come from an area where there was an "understanding" between riders that particular trails were to be ridden downhill and others were bi-directional. it was awesome and led to some amazing trail development.
    But that was what worked for that area. the Ned locals will have to decide if that is what they want in their backyard. Personally, I'm all for it.

    2) I am an even bigger fan of riding loops and have been known to suffer all sorts of pain and discomfort make a loop out of a ride. my personal mantra "Friends don't let friends ride out and back"

    as you can see the two statement are related (but not exclusive)... It is my opinion that a lot of butt hurtyness over yielding would disappear, single track would remain moar single, and trail design/experience would improve tremendously if we riding loops (large and small) in a common direction.

    Is that the right thing for School bus? dunno.. there are some moto trails up there that could be pretty easily tuned up to be great DH trails. just depends on the local ethic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilburKookmeyer View Post
    on to the gist of what you are getting at.
    1) I am huge fan of directional trails, official and unofficial. I come from an area where there was an "understanding" between riders that particular trails were to be ridden downhill and others were bi-directional. it was awesome and led to some amazing trail development.
    But that was what worked for that area. the Ned locals will have to decide if that is what they want in their backyard. Personally, I'm all for it.

    2) I am an even bigger fan of riding loops and have been known to suffer all sorts of pain and discomfort make a loop out of a ride. my personal mantra "Friends don't let friends ride out and back"

    as you can see the two statement are related (but not exclusive)... It is my opinion that a lot of butt hurtyness over yielding would disappear, single track would remain moar single, and trail design/experience would improve tremendously if we riding loops (large and small) in a common direction.

    Is that the right thing for School bus? dunno.. there are some moto trails up there that could be pretty easily tuned up to be great DH trails. just depends on the local ethic.
    I agree on point 1, generally speaking. I was just a little surprised that someone considered the Bus as one of those trails that should be directional. Heck, if I was going to call it directional, I'd say make it the designated uphill trail!

    I also generally agree on point 2, and often take the road up if time's short. I guess for me, though, if I'm riding all these trails all the time, it makes no difference whether one night I go up and down Schoolbus, or up Schoolbus and down the Carwash, or up the road and down Schoolbus, or up the road and down carwash, or whatever. One is an out and back and the other 3 aren't, but the difference in the big picture is small.

    I agree with your overall points, I was just surprised to find that someone thought the implicit understanding that Schoolbus was not an appropriate trail to climb, when amongst my friends it is the most appropriate choice of trail, at least when starting on the northish side of West Mag. So I was curious as to other people's thoughts.

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    What trail is Carwash? I'm not familiar with all the unofficial names of the trails west of West Mag proper.

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    you know, I don't know any official names, I only know what we (ie the people I ride with) call it. We have our own names because there is no official map (nor do I want there to be one ). For some reason, many years ago we thought that was the "official" name of it, but that appears not to be the case.

    In any case, in talking to Kaj, I think it's the trail he calls Magic Bus. It's north of Schoolbus, between Schoolbus and the route you ascended.

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    Okay, I think I know the one you mean.

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    I thought Car Wash was over on the Dots?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny boy View Post
    I thought Car Wash was over on the Dots?
    Car Wash is over on Swiss Miss, at least that's the one you can't get through w/o getting scratched. The one on the dots is called CarWash, totally different. The one on Magic Bus is called carWaSh. Easy to confuse them
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny boy View Post
    I thought Car Wash was over on the Dots?
    There's no trail that I call Car Wash over at the Dots, but then I don't have many names down over there; last time I rode frequently over there I don't think there many (any?) maps of it (or at least not well publicized lists of trail names). I only know that the people I ride with call a trail I ride frequently "Car Wash", for much the same reason of tight trees.

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    What is the road you are referring to as the alternative climb up, instead of the the school bus? I've gone up AND down the school bus numerous times, never a user conflict issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj View Post
    Car Wash is over on Swiss Miss, at least that's the one you can't get through w/o getting scratched. The one on the dots is called CarWash, totally different. The one on Magic Bus is called carWaSh. Easy to confuse them
    You guys are just making this stuff up. Nothing to see here folks, please move along

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy View Post
    What is the road you are referring to as the alternative climb up, instead of the the school bus? I've gone up AND down the school bus numerous times, never a user conflict issue.
    well, there's the 105, that's one option. There's also the road that the Magic Carwash Bus runs into at its bottom, that road is a good direct way up, it hits the 105 not all that far below the mine (it's faster than the 105, but not as rideable, I always end up walking). Another "trail" up is one that I have heard called Roots Rocks, which is the old double track that Magic Carwash Bus starts off of, you can hit it by the trail that heads up from the top of Hobbit 3. That one will drop you off on the road above the mine. I have only descended this one, never climbed it (and don't think I would enjoy it as a climb). There's also another trail option that I don't really know how to describe to you, but south of the Schoolbus. There are probably others.

    But honestly, I would hardly describe what I have had as a user conflict issue. I hardly see users at all.

    Edit: I realize that my use of "mine" may not be sufficient, as the mine I'm referring to is at the "top" of the 105 (where it turns and heads down towards Rollinsville), and is not actually on the Schoolbus trail; I am not referring to the mine where the orange mud and the long skinny boards are (though that is just below it). I'm not sure of the name, is it the Lone Star Mine?
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    I like to climb Roots and Rocks. Sure it is a bit of a grunt but it makes for a nice loop off of Hobbit 3 with a return to Hobbit 2 via School Bus.

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    I'm just thoroughly confused now, though I think I have ridden most of these..

    Hopefully This rain won't affect West Mag later in the week as I plan to head back up there after work to check some of this out (err.. get lost...)

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    I love the fact that the area is primitive and needs to be explored, but sometimes the lack of a map or formal names does cause issues. Two people can both know the area really well yet not be able to talk about it or share info, because they have different names, or different features stand out to them, or whatever. But what exactly is confusing you?

    Unless it just hammers, I don't think you'll have issues. There are some areas that will be boggy because they always are (Observatory, the very beginning of Hobbit 3) but most of those trails handle rain phenomenally well. If it was rideable this Sunday, don't see why it wouldn't be rideable later in the week.

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    Unless we get the 10"-20" of snow they are calling for if the temps drop a bit. Right now it's all good except for a few usual wet spots, if you don't mind riding in 42 degree cloudy drizzle. East Mag is riding even better.

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    Yeah, snow is the wildcard.

    It was freaking cold Sunday morning, I was wearing a fleece hoodie while I geared up and decided to ride in it -- even though I knew I'd probably take it off soon -- because it was so cold I couldn't bear taking it off right then.

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