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    Two 'Springs Riders Dead

    This really sucks:

    http://www.krdo.com/global/story.asp?s=8802101

    "Barbara Thomas is being charged with vehicular homicide, driving under the influence of drugs, and driving with a restricted license."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeCOLORADO
    This really sucks:

    http://www.krdo.com/global/story.asp?s=8802101

    "Barbara Thomas is being charged with vehicular homicide, driving under the influence of drugs, and driving with a restricted license."
    It sucks beyond comprehension and I feel for their them and their families.

    But that won't prevent the douchebags on here from blaming the cyclists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manmountain Dense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manmountain Dense
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    true compassion right there..

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    That is horrible... One day I hope we can get support for mandatory driving tests for every person each year after age 55... The deterioration in eyesight, hand-eye coordination, reaction time, etc gets exponentially worse as we get older. It would be really nice if we could verify that people on the road that are in charge of a 2000+lb vehicle haven't significantly lost their ability to do so... It establishes a base-line for each individual and allows the state to track their progress or deterioration yearly. At some point we all lose the ability to drive safely... it would be nice if we actually took steps to remove people from the road BEFORE they kill someone with their vehicle, or cause an accident that they aren't even aware of until someone pounds on their hood to stop driving and return to the scene of the accident.

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    The Gazette has a short article on it here. As you would expect, many of the reader's comments blame it on the bikers for being on a road where only cars should reside. Actually, I was shocked at the crassness in some of the comments. You would have thought the victims were raping children or something.

    Anyway, it is sad to hear about this kind of thing. The riders had no chance against her Ford F-350 when she took that turn in front of them. I will say that it was dark and raining at the time, which, if the driver wasn't driving under the influence, probably would have gotten her some sympathy. But, she got busted, two people are dead, and the bikes vs motorists debate is rekindled.

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    fact is, doesn't matter if you're a roadie on a long ride or a mtb'er connecting a short piece of road or a commuter, this could happen to any of us.

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    "Under the influence of drugs..." reads to me like he should be savagely beaten about the head and neck until he can only eat thru a straw for killing ppl w/ a motorized vehicle. But that's just me.

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    Nooby is correct. End of thread (unless you are offering condolences).

    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    fact is, doesn't matter if you're a roadie on a long ride or a mtb'er connecting a short piece of road or a commuter, this could happen to any of us.

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    Iím saddened by the hostility expressed towards cyclists who share the road with motorists. I just canít figure out how a cyclist can appear so threatening to a driver in an automobile. I canít figure out how the inconvenience of sharing the road with cyclists can result in the devalue of human life? Our pro-auto culture incorrectly assumes that cyclist must assume all the risk (including death) for ridding on a road. I think that law enforcement has not adequately enforced cyclists rights. Of course, the real issue at hand is the problem of intoxicated driving which will always dangerously subvert any rules of the road between cyclists and motorist. I am sorry for the deceased familiesí losses and the fellow riders who witnessed the accident. Undoubtly, this will forever change their ability to ride and feel safe.

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    That is just awful. My thoughts and prayers are with the riders friends and families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    fact is, doesn't matter if you're a roadie on a long ride or a mtb'er connecting a short piece of road or a commuter, this could happen to any of us.
    Well said. RIP fellow bikers.

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    Condolences to the victims and families.

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    a moment of silence
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    I see this too often. A car kills some cyclists and people start posting their hate and intolerance towards cyclists.

    If you ride on the road, even to get to the dirt trail, please watch out. It sounds like these people didn't have a chance but just in case you do have a chance, please anticipate the worst possible actions by every driver out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teleken
    Condolences to the victims and families.
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    Brutal honesty - Many drivers do not care that the law allows us on the road (and provides us EQUAL access nonetheless), as a matter of fact it drives plenty of them insane that WE are on THEIR roads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeCOLORADO
    Brutal honesty - Many drivers do not care that the law allows us on the road (and provides us EQUAL access nonetheless), as a matter of fact it drives plenty of them insane that WE are on THEIR roads.

    as evidenced by the comments from the gazette article (and other articles about car/bike accidents)

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    My deepest sypathies to the cyclists family and friends.

    As a person who doesn't own a car and gets about on a bike I experience the kind of crapthinking that is being expressed on the message boards where the stories are. Luckily down here we don't have any really huge highways and a lot of people have ridden a bicycle at some point in their lives and have some respect, but I still have to deal with a$$Holes chatting away on their cell phones passing within inches or passing and then pulling clean in front of me.

    In these days were fuel prices are so high, traffic congestion up the wazoo, obesity and heart problems etc fuled by unhealthy living I would think the benefits of using bicycles for transportaion would be encouraged, not frowned upon.

    As an aside, if by chance someone can get the Ip and other info of the poster "cjfi213", I think the human race would behove whoever for putting the lights out permanantly as they obviously are not fit to live amoungst other civilized people.

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    This is horrible. My deepest sympathiest to the families and friends.

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    This is another unfortunate car vs.cyclist story. There have been a few who have posted on here that it doesn't matter what kind of "Cyclist" you are, that this could happen to any fellow "Cyclist". But the fact of the matter is it doesn't happen to just any "Cyclists", it happens primarily to those riding in a group ( at least in the Springs) and is usually caused by impedeing traffic. I see people riding their bikes to work, to run errands etc... all the time and every day, but there is one little caveat... They are all on $150 Huffies or whatever WalMart is pushing that week.

    You never here about these "commuters" being hit and or killed by a vehicle, despite the fact that; they probably put more miles on their ChinaMart bikes in a week than most on here do in a month. The reason: It's not a lifestyle but an only means of transportation for them, and ironically, they don't wear $300 lycra outfits or ride a 10k bike, or for that matter, even wear a helmet. But they know that in a "car vs. bike" accident, the car wins every time. These "Cyclists" ride in the far right side of the road and if there is not enough room, they ride on the sidewalk until there is.

    The fact is: This another tragic accident, and these two people will never be able to ride their bikes, nor watch a sunset, or hold their spouses, kids etc... ever again. The woman driver will be charged with vehicular manslaughter and I'm sure a host of other charges, and rightfully so!

    I am sure many on here will fling insults, call me callous, and whatever... But the truth is: Until cyclists get rid of the " Holier than thou" attitude, and check their sense of false grandeur, we will probably see more of these tragedies in the future. Check your pride, and ego, and realize that riding single file, or riding on the sidewalk for 30 yards will allow you to ride another day!

    And finally, I ride a bicycle as a hobby, not a lifestyle. I don't consider myself to be a "Cyclist", I ride a bicycle as an escape from the stress of the every day world. I don't feel entitled to be on a bike and I don't feel like the person driving the car that passes me to be the enemy. Ride your mountain bike, road bike, fixie, pixie, or whatever the new "thing" is now, but use your brain while doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ban'd4life
    I am sure many on here will fling insults, call me callous, and whatever... But the truth is: Until cyclists get rid of the " Holier than thou" attitude, and check their sense of false grandeur, we will probably see more of these tragedies in the future. Check your pride, and ego, and realize that riding single file, or riding on the sidewalk for 30 yards will allow you to ride another day!
    The irony of your post is killing me. Douchebag.

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    fact is, we don't know whether these two were riding single file or side by side so we can't really blame them at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeCOLORADO
    Brutal honesty - Many drivers do not care that the law allows us on the road (and provides us EQUAL access nonetheless), as a matter of fact it drives plenty of them insane that WE are on THEIR roads.
    I wonder if we (cyclists) have to go so far as to open-carry an AR-15/Mini-14 on our backs when we go out for a road spin to catch people's attention... to the end that if a car hits a cyclist and doesn't kill, then said cyclist has the right to retaliate w/ said weapon

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeCOLORADO
    1911a tucked into my lycras.
    I'm curious what the weight is, and do you open carry or have a CCW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeCOLORADO
    1911a tucked into my lycras.
    Do you even need a concealed weapon license for that?

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    This is horrible, she will get whats coming.

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    hmmmmm?

    i wonder..., if the US integrated the death penalty for crimes of such, would people become a little more responsible in their driving habits etc.?.?.?.? this woman should be hung...in public...on tv!

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    Tragic.

    RIP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y
    I'm curious what the weight is, and do you open carry or have a CCW?
    It was a joke.

    I open carry on my property though.

    The point of a CCW is nobody knows...so I can neither confirm, nor deny having a CCW permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeCOLORADO
    The point of a CCW is nobody knows..
    Oh I assure you every one knows if you're carrying a weapon and your gun if you're wearing spandex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liqwid
    Oh I assure you every one knows if you're carrying a weapon and your gun if you're wearing spandex.
    Not if you are fat (like me) and wear large, loose fitting shirts...

    [as he wonders if the BAR would "conceal" under the big shirts]
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    Back to the topic at hand.

    I don't know who died yet and I don't think I knew either of them...but there are families, loved ones and friends involved on various levels. My heart goes out to all of them.

    If you know anyone associated with this tragedy and you know of a need...PM me.
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    I feel sorry for the guys who died, and the people who were riding with them.

    Did anyone hear the anti-bike rants by Erin Hart on the Jay Marvin show this week? And it's supposed to be a PC/Liberal show. Not trying to get into politics here, I was just appalled at the comments I was hearing and her absolute stupidity on the subject. I'm amazed at the attitude towards cyclist, even in a state where cycling is widely accepted. I think there needs to be a public awareness campaign to change people's attitudes. Maybe then we'd actually get some bike routes built that connect somewhere useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmoab
    Did anyone hear the anti-bike rants by Erin Hart on the Jay Marvin show this week? And it's supposed to be a PC/Liberal show. Not trying to get into politics here, I was just appalled at the comments I was hearing and her absolute stupidity on the subject.
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    Update to the story on KRDO.com

    http://www.krdo.com/global/story.asp?s=8805566
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    Police ruled the cyclists were driving completely lawfully and were in no way at fault.

    The drugs Ms. Thomas was taking at the time of the accident were prescription medications and the restricted license ordered her to be wearing corrective lens while driving, which she wasn't.

    ......

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    A man was killed over here on the western slope just outside of ridgway a couple weeks ago. The driver was an illegal 14-year-old mexican with fake papers, no license and no insurance. He ran down the cyclist from behind, and continued down the road, he then turned around and went to see what happened and drove off again. The article in the Grand Junction paper focused on making sure that, (I forget what the kids' name was), got his full rights and was treated fairly. He was of course receiving free representation and all kinds of legal advisement (translator too because ofcourse he couldn't speak freakin' english). I now ask this question, what kind of a f@#(*$@ up state/country is this where we treat murderers like this. The kid killed a man, then flee'd the scene and everyone is worried about his well being!? No word yet on what is happening but there were no vehicular homicide charges filed and the charges that were were bull-sh!t driving infractions...something needs to change

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    Quote Originally Posted by jugdish
    Yup, couldn't believe it either.
    Really? With the sentiments expressed on this board (this thread not necessarily included)?

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    Mandatory test for over 55 drivers!

    Quote Originally Posted by JSD303
    That is horrible... One day I hope we can get support for mandatory driving tests for every person each year after age 55... The deterioration in eyesight, hand-eye coordination, reaction time, etc gets exponentially worse as we get older. It would be really nice if we could verify that people on the road that are in charge of a 2000+lb vehicle haven't significantly lost their ability to do so... It establishes a base-line for each individual and allows the state to track their progress or deterioration yearly. At some point we all lose the ability to drive safely... it would be nice if we actually took steps to remove people from the road BEFORE they kill someone with their vehicle, or cause an accident that they aren't even aware of until someone pounds on their hood to stop driving and return to the scene of the accident.
    Totally Agree! I've been saying this for years. Its only fair. If there is a reason you can't drive until you're 16 there is an equal argument for testing the elderly!!!
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    This sort of thing is what scares me about road bicycling. You just never know when a car is going to plow right into you.

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    The ignorance in some of those comments on the gazette is blowing me away.

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    Thanks a lot !

    Quote Originally Posted by JSD303
    That is horrible... One day I hope we can get support for mandatory driving tests for every person each year after age 55... The deterioration in eyesight, hand-eye coordination, reaction time, etc gets exponentially worse as we get older.


    First my sympathy for the victims families and friends; but I don't recall a similar 2 page diatribe for the Fort Collins cyclist killed by an intoxicated UNDERAGE drinker at 5:20 AM a couple of weeks ago while on her morning ride.

    Stories and obit:

    http://cbs4denver.com/local/cyclist.....2.777702.html

    http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs....RIES/807250307

    http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs....D=200880725033

    Where are all the people up in arms to raise the driving/drinking age to say 25, once they're mature enough to handle either ??

    I only mention this because I will be "That Age (55)" very soon. Are you going to make me take a skills test to let me keep MTB'ng as well !

    FWIW, Skilzz don't "automatically" decline w/ age any more than "Maturity" is granted at 21.

    May ALL of the families involved find peace.

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    Jeez, y'all are so touchy. All I meant is that you don't often get hit by cars on trails, whether you're walking or riding a road bike on said trail. I didn't mean to suggest roadies are asking to get hit. It's just incredibly dangerous out there. It sucks that we have to share the road at all, that there aren't paths and trails everywhere.

    But there ain't, and this story, while sad, is not shocking.

    I know better than most, having been hit or doored oh, a half-dozen or so times while commuting. Drivers suck. Best not to go near them if you can avoid it.
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    Hey onbelaydave... I just want to make sure you know I am happy to support your under 25 testing. My point wasn't to discriminate. I personally would gladly take a driving test every year if it kept unfit people (of all ages) off the road.

    I certainly don't want to take the conversation away from the sadness we all feel for the families and friends of the two cyclists. My heart goes out to anyone touched by this tragedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manmountain Dense
    Jeez, y'all are so touchy. All I meant is that you don't often get hit by cars on trails, whether you're walking or riding a road bike on said trail. I didn't mean to suggest roadies are asking to get hit. It's just incredibly dangerous out there. It sucks that we have to share the road at all, that there aren't paths and trails everywhere.
    When I talk to people about riding and tell them that I mountainbike because I'm too scared to ride a road bike, I often get a confused look/response. I tell them that my obstacles are stationary - if I hit it, it's my fault. Rocks and trees don't talk/text on cell phones, take drugs or drink , change the radio station, put on their makeup... etc.
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    I just spoke with Jayson before leaving for the CTR.

    RIP EJ and Jayson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSD303
    Hey onbelaydave... I just want to make sure you know I am happy to support your under 25 testing. My point wasn't to discriminate. I personally would gladly take a driving test every year if it kept unfit people (of all ages) off the road.

    I certainly don't want to take the conversation away from the sadness we all feel for the families and friends of the two cyclists. My heart goes out to anyone touched by this tragedy.
    +2 the dumb b!tch who ran the stop sign and hit me on my Scooter was 19 and driving daddies car and had TWO prior "failure to yield" citations. Why was she even still allowed on the road?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeCOLORADO
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    Very Sad

    First and foremost it is important for us to remember all parties involved, these two men worked in a closed environment and I can't imagine having to go to work knowing that two friends were taken in such a drastic manner. I hope all the biking community stands together and lets it be know that our sport is one of community.
    We all know the risks of what we do, as avid MTBR's the risk we assume may not be a car but in many ways involve a distinct risk of injury at the least. No matter what your choice is for recreation the driving force is always the same, we push our bodies to the point of exhaustion and exhilaration at the same time in order to look ahead of you to know there is someone pushing themselves just as hard to be with you, and with that we form a community.

    As for the car comments we are at a turning point in the US, car's will get smaller and less powerful to meet the demands the populous, what we need to do as an active force is help influence lawmakers to change perception. Driving a car in the US at this time is considered a right and riding a bike on the street is a privilege. Since we are doomed to share the road with cars with very few legal bike lanes to use it is assumed we need to watch for cars as they have the right of way. "Kinda like the hiker coming down a hill as we try to climb and they stand in the trail waiting for us to stop and get off our bikes"
    My wish for driving is simple, drivers placed in a high risk factor should be given a one year license with a driving test to prove renewal status, this could apply to all aspects of high risk, under 18, health issues, multiple moving violation, excessive accidents and so on, remember this should be a privilege not a right. From someone who drives 40k each year it does not take a rocket scientist to understand a car is a vital part of many peoples lives, but it is also understood that we are responsible for how we drive.

    I pray for the families of these two men and hope they are able to move forward in good health, and heal quickly from the scars in there souls.

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    The event is tragic the person responsible is going to live the rest of her life knowing she should not have made the choice of driving.
    Colorado Cyclist lost 2 employees a real tragic end for 2 young men enjoying life and cycling.

    My sympathy to all.

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    Apparently there was a "remembrance ride" last night...

    http://www.krdo.com/global/story.asp?s=8809297
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    Quote Originally Posted by jake7
    When I talk to people about riding and tell them that I mountainbike because I'm too scared to ride a road bike, I often get a confused look/response. I tell them that my obstacles are stationary - if I hit it, it's my fault. Rocks and trees don't talk/text on cell phones, take drugs or drink , change the radio station, put on their makeup... etc.
    Just so you know this is the road that is taken on a MT. BIKE to get to MT. BIKE trails for people who are not lazy enough to DRIVE to the trails. So it is not Road bike riders that are asking to get hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liqwid
    This is horrible, she will get whats coming.
    No she won't. That's why this keeps happening. We don't need more laws, we need the ones we have to be enforced and the punishment to be proportional to the crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by btx
    We don't need more laws, we need the ones we have to be enforced and the punishment to be proportional to the crime.
    Agreed.

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    Thoughts n prayers- Thats too sad...a bad deal for EVERYONE involved- R.I.P. Riders
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y
    "Under the influence of drugs..." reads to me like he should be savagely beaten about the head and neck until he can only eat thru a straw for killing ppl w/ a motorized vehicle. But that's just me.
    A little extreme, but I think if a vehicle driver takes any human life (cyclist or otherwise) due to their reckless/negligent/impaired actions behind the wheel, they too should be staring down the barrel of life in prison, no parole.

    I am sick of hearing about people taking innocent lives while under the influence, or while driving with a suspended license on their 3/5/7th offense for driving under the influence.

    You think the legal system would be smart enough to figure out that by the 2nd or 3rd time someone is busted for driving under drugs or alcohol that they aren't going to comply. I like the 3 strikes idea, the 3rd time you go bye bye for life.

    What? Too many prisoners and over crowding? Build more prisons! Lot's of open spaces across the land that are perfect for a prison on the local community would love the jobs....

    To the two riders who were killed my sympathies go out to all who knew and loved them and to them as well. As to the driver, she will have to live the rest of her life knowing what she did. It is my hope that people who do such things will have the rest of their life in a nice quiet prison cell to have ample time to remember what they did. And yes I do have some compassion and sympathy for the driver as well, but you know what? If I randomly fired arrows into the air at night and I killed someone, it would definitely be a crime and I wouldn't get 3 or 4 more whacks at it. A person driving a Prius or an F 350 or any vehicle shouldn't get 3 or 4 chances either!
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    Quote Originally Posted by onbelaydave
    ...but I don't recall a similar 2 page diatribe

    I never heard about it till your post, that's why.

    And I say the same about the underage drunken driver. A long time in a cell would help a lot to think about the choices that driver made both before and after drinking.....and again I do have compassion and sympathy for that driver too!

    When I was young, I did a few things I am not proud of. And I too have driven when I shouldn't have. And I understand at my middle age what a flippin idiot I was for doing that way back in the day.
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    This is terrible. Enough said.

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    Memorial Ride Thursday Night

    It was a moving, absolutely powerful memorial to two obviously loved and mourned members of the Springs cycling community.

    Over 150 cyclists rode from downtown to the intersection where the tragedy occurred and the riders, EJ and Jayson were memorialized in a touching way by their close friends, riding partners and those who knew them throughout their time in the Springs.

    The media was out in force, and respectful in ways I was not prepared for and the police...their support was beyond belief. They provided a show of support, safety and reverence for the cyclists that was the most commendable act in my opinion.

    The sense of community it brought to all in attendance was immediate and soul-stirring. This could happen to anyone... on any road, and we all were left with hope that the future would bring more awareness for the riders out on the roadways and how we have every right to be there...

    Rest in Peace and may they not be forgotten
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSD303
    That is horrible... One day I hope we can get support for mandatory driving tests for every person each year after age 55... The deterioration in eyesight, hand-eye coordination, reaction time, etc gets exponentially worse as we get older. It would be really nice if we could verify that people on the road that are in charge of a 2000+lb vehicle haven't significantly lost their ability to do so... It establishes a base-line for each individual and allows the state to track their progress or deterioration yearly. At some point we all lose the ability to drive safely... it would be nice if we actually took steps to remove people from the road BEFORE they kill someone with their vehicle, or cause an accident that they aren't even aware of until someone pounds on their hood to stop driving and return to the scene of the accident.
    Not sure how to address your agenda here since it's completely irrelevant to this mishap. The lady was on perscription drugs and not wearing her mandatory corrective lenses. Doesn't matter what kind of testing she takes (and passes or fails) every year. You can test skills and what not, but you can't mandate smartness.

    By the way, how do you feel about 65 year old pilots? Commercial airline pilots don't have to retire until 65. Where is your arbitrary number of 55 coming from? Pull it out of your ass?

    Sorry, your post is, well, to be blunt, as stupid as the driver of that pick up.

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    You're right that it shouldn't have been posted here, and I apologize for detracting focus from the tragedy.

    My post was as stupid as a driver that killed two people? Wow, exaggerate much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by riverfever
    I just spoke with Jayson before leaving for the CTR.

    RIP EJ and Jayson.
    for the record the jayson killed was not the jason in the colorado trail race. although jason and ej did ride single speed road bikes from the springs to aspen together along with a few others, a couple of months before the accident. ej was a good friend and he will be missed. RIP. doug

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    EJ was my best friend, roommate and coworker. he was the closest thing i will ever have to a brother. Jayson was also my coworker at colorado cyclist. they will both be missed.

    trust me they spent a lot of time on the dirt!. ej was one of the best mountain bikers i have ridden with. he was an amazing climbing with a ton of heart. if any of you care to see pictures from the memorial here are the links. thanks for the kind words and i am sorry some of you feel the need to stir things up when there are people mourning in our community.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottbo...7606722304570/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottbo...7606637282613/

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcutterx
    EJ was my best friend, roommate and coworker. he was the closest thing i will ever have to a brother. Jayson was also my coworker at colorado cyclist. they will both be missed.
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    Sorry for your loss - I know what it's like to lose a best friend - - - while riding a bike - - - being hit by a car - - - by the priest of the parish he attended!
    The saying is that the pain goes away with time. Well, unfortunately, it never actually goes away, but it does lessen.
    My thoughts are with you and your friends and the families of the lost...

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