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    Article by the Grand Junction Sentinel
    A federal judge on Friday told Colorado Mesa University it can’t use public lands for this weekend’s Rocky Mountain Collegiate Mountain Bike Championships.
    Judge Marcia Krieger balked at CMU’s request for a court order that would allow the races to go on in the Bangs Canyon area. That means the short-track portion of the championships on the CMU campus will proceed as planned today, but a cross-country race today and a downhill race on Sunday in the Bangs Canyon area are prohibited.
    “We’ll see if we can hold another part on Sunday and we’ll see what the coaches want to do,” CMU President Tim Foster said. “The problem is most of the fee ground is in the high country and has snow on it.”
    What Foster called the “ridiculousness of the entire response (to the shutdown) by federal agencies” began on Tuesday when university officials were told by the BLM that they couldn’t conduct the portions of the championships scheduled on BLM-administered lands.
    University officials called the Department of Justice and were told the permit depended on certain conditions that the BLM couldn’t meet, so the races had to be canceled.
    “So we went to federal court,” Foster said.
    Krieger determined that while the BLM did not have the responsibility to monitor the race under the special-use permit, it did have the right to do so, said Mike Feeley, the attorney who represented the university in Denver. Feeley is a former Democratic state senator and CMU trustee.
    The BLM’s decision to cancel the race because it could not exercise that right was not an abuse of discretion, Feeley said.
    “It’s an unfortunate exercise of discretion by the local BLM authorities,” Feeley said. “It’s not something that they had to do by canceling it, it’s something they simply chose to do.”
    Katie Stevens, who heads the Grand Junction BLM office, couldn’t be reached for comment.
    Krieger said her decision “was a tragedy,” Feeley said. “That is the way that Judge Krieger described the decision that she felt compelled to render. She used that word specifically. Clearly, she wasn’t happy with what she felt compelled by the law to do.”
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    Ms. Stevens - you permitted the event and none of your staff was required to run it. You didn't have to lift a finger to do anything to stop it. In fact, you could have shown up personally and enjoyed the weekend. Instead, you are a prime example of why many of us feel our government is a waste of money.

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    Justice Krieger - how hard would it have been to say that it looked like everything was in order to you and that they should hold the event as permitted - but that you would review the issues of law in more detail next week? Cowardly. We don't need judges who support our governmental institutions. We need ones that support the people from which their power emanates.

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    Welllll...these "public servants" look at all of this from a completely different perspective than you or I or CMU do. They've got a job with its own set of parameters to follow and are probably not granted much leeway to just decide as to what they themselves think is right. It's their jobs, their careers, and in the overall scheme of things, a mountain bike race that either does or does not happen is probably the last thing they're going to stick their necks out for, given the mess the shutdown is.
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    So it is ok for them to go out of their way to cancel it? It took absolutely zero govt resources to allow this event. I agree with the OP, just another example of wasted govt "resources".

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    Canceled race. Certainly a bummer, and everyone should get their money back, but it's definitely a first world problem.

    If you want to blame someone, blame the wing nuts in the house of representatives. not the people out there on the ground who are having to do their jobs (those that are still on the job that is) in what is probably a very difficult time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    Welllll...these "public servants" look at all of this from a completely different perspective than you or I or CMU do. They've got a job with its own set of parameters to follow and are probably not granted much leeway to just decide as to what they themselves think is right. It's their jobs, their careers, and in the overall scheme of things, a mountain bike race that either does or does not happen is probably the last thing they're going to stick their necks out for, given the mess the shutdown is.
    Oh bologna.
    Judges carry out politically motivated decisions just like politicians.
    There's a reason why the parks are closed. They want you to "Feel the pain!"

    Wisconsin has opened their parks because they have a governor with balls. We don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    Oh bologna.
    Judges carry out politically motivated decisions just like politicians.
    There's a reason why the parks are closed. They want you to "Feel the pain!"

    Wisconsin has opened their parks because they have a governor with balls. We don't.
    No the parks are closed as there being open is not essential. Not very complicated. What federal land is open in Wisconsin?
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    I had to look that up after UT's comment. Those are state parks that are partially funded by the feds. Not run by feds, they were just told to close because they wouldn't get any money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    No the parks are closed as there being open is not essential. Not very complicated. What federal land is open in Wisconsin?
    Right. That's why they were open during the previous shutdowns...

    Anything that creates an inconvenience to the public will be closed. SOP. Doesn't matter what party.

    1A in Colo Springs - toilets were closed, drinking water turned off, irrigation turned off and garbage cans removed.

    Walker defies DC order to close down federally funded parks in Wisconsin
    By Rebecca Shabad

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) is defying orders from Washington, D.C., to close down several state parks that receive federal funding. Despite receiving a closure directive from the National Park Service, Wisconsin's Department of Natural Resources (DNR) has decided instead that parks partly funded by the federal government would stay open to the public.

    Yes, and they even found a way to still hold the AFA - Navy game today.

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    Uncle Trail sez:

    "Yes, and they even found a way to still hold the AFA - Navy game today."

    Yeah, because a big private donor came through with the necessary funds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    because a big private donor came through with the necessary funds.
    That was just airfare for the AFA team @ $100K

    Someone in the Pentagon decided that losing $4 million in revenue from the game wasn't a good idea and someone in the Obama Admin decided that pissing off the armed services by cancelling a major football game wasn't good PR.

    Regardelss, non-essential Fed employees that were on furlough, worked the game and broke the law in the process, but you won't hear anyone in the MSM talking about that... they only want to scare you with threats when the game was in question. They aren't the media they are PravdaUSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    Oh bologna.
    Judges carry out politically motivated decisions just like politicians.
    There's a reason why the parks are closed. They want you to "Feel the pain!"

    Wisconsin has opened their parks because they have a governor with balls. We don't.
    Wisconsin kept open state parks that receive some federal funding but are staffed with state employees. Some boat landings have been kept open or opened, and local news said the rules for navigable waterways means there's not much that can be done to restrict their access.

    State staff keeping state parks open seems a lot different than their keeping federal properties open.

    It's as easy for me to see practical reasons for putting up a barrier at a federal boat landing if their operation is about to be closed as easy as it is for me to see taking it away when there are well established laws and rules about navigable waters. Even easier to see how overly political fools or blow hards could waste disk space and band width over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post

    If you want to blame someone, blame the wing nuts in the house of representatives. not the people out there on the ground who are having to do their jobs (those that are still on the job that is) in what is probably a very difficult time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDDonny View Post
    Idiot!
    Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    If you want to blame someone, blame the wing nuts in the house of representatives. not the people out there on the ground who are having to do their jobs (those that are still on the job that is) in what is probably a very difficult time.
    And blame the wingnuts in the Senate. And the wingnut in the White House.

    Especially the one in the WH; he's playing Chicago politics and using his bully pulpit to make these calls so that we feel the pain and get mad and call our Reps in the house to urge them to capitulate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    And blame the wingnuts in the Senate. And the wingnut in the White House.

    Especially the one in the WH; he's playing Chicago politics and using his bully pulpit to make these calls so that we feel the pain and get mad and call our Reps in the house to urge them to capitulate.
    But it definitely has nothing to do with the House linking the ACA to the funding CR in the first place and shutting the gov down to begin with, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    And blame the wingnuts in the Senate. And the wingnut in the White House.

    Especially the one in the WH; he's playing Chicago politics and using his bully pulpit to make these calls so that we feel the pain and get mad and call our Reps in the house to urge them to capitulate.
    And the winguts - like you -that elect the illogical nuts that are the root cause of this whole mess...
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    The best part is that I don't know who is siding with who in this thread. Lots of people replying to replies about replies. I assume wingnut is an... insult?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSteve in CO View Post
    Why?
    yeah, why?

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    Re: Two pathetic examples of civil servants

    It's a first world problem, so that means we shouldn't do anything about it?
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    For those of you who like and approve of the way the democratic/progressive party is going prepare to lose more and more freedoms.



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    [QUOTE=Devildog1775;10731752]For those of you who like and approve of the way the democratic/progressive party is going prepare to lose more and more freedoms.

    "democratic/progressive party" LOL. You listen to too much talk radio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devildog1775 View Post
    For those of you who like and approve of the way the democratic/progressive party is going prepare to lose more and more freedoms.


    Thank you for that professional, informative, balanced and well-reasoned video!

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