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    ... and if we just ... Transitions ready to ride at a dever shop!

    westside cycling in lakewood has transitions! they have built bikes and frames already they are so sweet.
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    Do they have Preston FRs in stock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    Do they have Preston FRs in stock?
    no prestons they have the coverts that are just as strong but lighter with more travel and im sure they would get you the bike you want if youre dead set on the preston
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    what's a dever shop?

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    good catch i never did get that A in spelling sorry i guess this post is spam to some but it fun for me to get to talk about cool stuff or my own retardedness witch ever is more fun for others
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    Sirens?

    Do they have any Sirens? I'm not sure if the Siren is out yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mycrusierhasabottleopener
    no prestons they have the coverts that are just as strong
    Bzzzt. Totally different bike. Angles are more slack on the Preston and the covert is not nearly as burly. If anyone is looking at getting a Preston and you order it from Redstone, you're more than welcome to test ride my large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBittyBetty
    Do they have any Sirens? I'm not sure if the Siren is out yet.
    i think thoes will get to the states in january and maybe late jan/early feb in shops
    and you may want to add your $.02 to the zumbi thread in the DH fourm they are talking about a full on DH for women and a lighter 6-7" travel bike too
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    Bzzzt. Totally different bike. Angles are more slack on the Preston and the covert is not nearly as burly. If anyone is looking at getting a Preston and you order it from Redstone, you're more than welcome to test ride my large.
    yep they are a little different but not that much and i think the preston is gonna go away in the next two years especially when you hear about they get replaced with bottle rockets if you ever break it
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    Quote Originally Posted by mycrusierhasabottleopener
    especially when you hear about they get replaced with bottle rockets if you ever break it
    bzzt, wrong again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    bzzt, wrong again.
    okay so what is the scoop? caues i have seen a lot of peeps talk about getting the br as the replacement for the preston
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    Quote Originally Posted by mycrusierhasabottleopener
    okay so what is the scoop? caues i have seen a lot of peeps talk about getting the br as the replacement for the preston
    I'd have to see that first hand before I believed it. They aren't simply sending you a BR as replacement... Trust me.

    Most everyone on a large Preston would be SOL trying to ride a BR as a trail rig.

    Where are you getting your rumors from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    Bzzzt. Totally different bike. Angles are more slack on the Preston and the covert is not nearly as burly. If anyone is looking at getting a Preston and you order it from Redstone, you're more than welcome to test ride my large.
    so the head angle is one degree slacker on the preston but bear in mind that the covert was most likely measured with a 120mm travel fork and the bb on the covert is .45" higher off the ground and it seams like a longer travel fork on the covet would take that to just about the same place and it seams like there is plenty of room for a coil/piggyback in the covert
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    I'd have to see that first hand before I believed it. They aren't simply sending you a BR as replacement... Trust me.

    Most everyone on a large Preston would be SOL trying to ride a BR as a trail rig.

    Where are you getting your rumors from?
    agreed the br as just a trail rig seams like you would work way to hard give me a few and ill see if i can get you some threads
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    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBittyBetty
    Do they have any Sirens? I'm not sure if the Siren is out yet.
    Syrens will be an approximate January delivery. I've got a small on order for you to check out, Jen
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    Definitely order from Ignazjr...

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    and spell, or at least use FF spellcheck?

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    brockets are def trail bikes I just rode over 8 miles in fruits on mine with a 8 inch fork and road cassette

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    Bottle Rockets work great as a trail bike. I use mine as my do all rig. The geometry is spot on for dirt jumping, freeride, and slopestyle. Put the seat up and I can pedal it up hill just fine. I run a full 34-11 in the rear and a single 32 up front and it works just great. Has an 08 55 ETA on the front too so I can put on the ETA put the travel down to climb and still have 30mm of travel. Love it. Might get rid off all of my other bikes, probably not love them too much, but this one could be my only bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by mycrusierhasabottleopener
    so the head angle is one degree slacker on the preston but bear in mind that the covert was most likely measured with a 120mm travel fork and the bb on the covert is .45" higher off the ground and it seams like a longer travel fork on the covet would take that to just about the same place and it seams like there is plenty of room for a coil/piggyback in the covert
    Uh, they are still drastically different bikes. I say that as someone who has been riding a small Covert for a while now, and am in the process of swapping to a medium Preston... The Covert was measured with a 140mm fork, BTW.

    My Covert with the tallest fork warrantee allows gave me the same head angle as a Preston with it's "average" fork size. Piggyback shock on the Covert? That never has been an issue with it. Been runnning a Swinger 4-way Air on mine the whole time, and most coil shocks wouldn't cause an issue, AFAIK.

    Preston = slacker and burlier overall, with the ability to run things much slacker with a taller fork, all the while preserving your warrantee, and not worrying about the effect on the frame of running too tall a fork. Been there, done that. Preston = much larger tire clearance. I'll be running a taller fork, with slacker overall angles, and my BB height should remain about the same.

    Considered the BR, but it was a bit more beef than I really need. Hell, the Preston is beefier than I need, but it's got the geometry I want, so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    in the process of swapping to a medium Preston...
    you ditchin' that purdy covert already, eh?

    (hope that preston is at least offered in white)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotdirt
    you ditchin' that purdy covert already, eh?

    (hope that preston is at least offered in white)
    No idea on the white color. I told dave to surprise me with the color on this one, with preferring brown or white over the green color.

    More of a lateral move. Wanting the ability to run a taller/slacker setup sometimes, without buying another bike meant the Covert wasn't quite the right frame. Shoulda' gotten the Preston in the first place. With a fork that'll give me 140-180mm of travel, without much more weight than I have now, it should be an even better all rounder. All the extra weight looks to be in the frame. Been liking my bikes slacker and slacker, but not really needing huge amounts of travel out here.

    Drastically shorter descents out here, with tighter/twistier stuff the rest of the time. Slack angles, a not sky high BB, but not so high I'm catching on all the rocks and roots, enough beef to handle my hack ass learning to drop and jump a bit more. And the ability to run fatter tires, and still run a taller fork for my once in a while lift day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    brockets are def trail bikes
    Not if you are tall. Then you're boned, cause the large isn't very large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    ... Hell, the Preston is beefier than I need...

    That's what you said about the covert...
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    +1 for slack and low trailbikes.
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    I agree, the br looks like it would make a great hd trail bike as long as seat post extension isn't an issue. The 24" ett on the large would make for a roomy enough cockpit for climbing, and the bb isn't too low for a trail bike without a ton of travel. 67 deg ha will retain good turning and manueverability too. Sounds like a better option than a Preson to me, those things have been cracking like eggs around here. Personally, I'd take a Reign X, it has a better suspension, frame tubing, and a lower price than anything Transition offers. Transition's marketing dep't sure is is stunning though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek
    That's what you said about the covert...
    Oh, that's still true. Don't see myself breaking either frame. It's the angles that my hack skills demand more than the burly. Keeping the Covert and building up a more specific bigger bike wasn't really in the cards, so a more do it all compromise bike is it.

    davec113: yep, Transition's marketing team works well. Sell simple bikes that work well, and do what they say, with great customer service. Sounds about as good as the Giant and Intense marketing to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    davec113: yep, Transition's marketing team works well. Sell simple bikes that work well, and do what they say, with great customer service. Sounds about as good as the Giant and Intense marketing to me.
    Uh huh!

    I say we argue some more about which bike is better for who... That seems like it's going to go about as well as the FRDHXCAM... threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    Uh huh!

    I say we argue some more about which bike is better for who... That seems like it's going to go about as well as the FRDHXCAM... threads.
    It's always fun!

    (anxiously awaiting the brown santa arriving with my new frame...)

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    I'm not dissing Tranny, I just think the fact that they have become so popular has much to do with marketing. They are all simple single pivot bikes that use a budget frameset compared to the hydroformed and shaped tubes and multi-link suspensions on a lot of bikes. Regardless of this, they sell for prices comparable to bikes that cost a lot more to manufacture. Any bike related question on the dh board has a ton of responses suggesting Tranny, many of which are obviously from kids that have never actually rode one. This doesn't take away from the fact that most Tranny owners like the ride, but I haven't seen that sort of following with any other brand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    I'm not dissing Tranny, I just think the fact that they have become so popular has much to do with marketing.
    Marketing? where? They have had very few reviews comepared to their competitors they dont pay to be in any magazines i read either, Are there any banners on mtbr, ridedonkey?

    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    They are all simple single pivot bikes that use a budget frameset compared to the hydroformed and shaped tubes and multi-link suspensions on a lot of bikes. Regardless of this, they sell for prices comparable to bikes that cost a lot more to manufacture.
    What bikes are you talking about? you can but a single pivot made in the same kind of factory that transitions are for more $$$ and have the same exact technology. Transition bikes are not overenginerd like many other brands. I can think of many brands that are overprices for what you get.

    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    This doesn't take away from the fact that most Tranny owners like the ride, but I haven't seen that sort of following with any other brand.
    Your right and you know why? the company hasnt lost sight of its intended client. They build purpose specific bikes that people want. Take a socom for example its a dh race bike with a 66o head angle. Every other dh race bike has a 65o head angle. One may thing 1o is very small but when going 30+mph ill take 65 any day(and so will world cup pros)

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    Marketing? where? They have had very few reviews comepared to their competitors they dont pay to be in any magazines i read either, Are there any banners on mtbr, ridedonkey?
    Marketing does not equal advertisement. It's the overall strategy for promoting a product.

    What bikes are you talking about? you can but a single pivot made in the same kind of factory that transitions are for more $$$ and have the same exact technology. Transition bikes are not overenginerd like many other brands. I can think of many brands that are overprices for what you get.
    Mulitilink bikes (like DW-Link) typically require much tighter tolerances to work right than single pivots. Hydroformed and shaped tubing like Giant and many (most?) others use cost a lot more than round tubing. While Transition is not super-expensive, they are selling for similar prices to Giant, IH, and Specialized's FR bikes. The other brands seem like a better value to me.

    Take a socom for example its a dh race bike with a 66o head angle. Every other dh race bike has a 65o head angle. One may thing 1o is very small but when going 30+mph ill take 65 any day(and so will world cup pros)
    Different people like different geometry, thats why theres room for so many bike companies.
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    Better value? Or better perceived value? There is a big difference between the two.

    Pricing? I've gotten both my Transition frames for very good deals (no, not full on bro-buddy shop hookup deals) and far less than the equivelant multi-link frames would have run me. I want a simple single pivot bike. Not the newest wunderkind bike touted by the mags to be the next best thing, until the next next best thing comes out.

    Just because a multi link bike needs tighter tolerences doesn't make non-multi linked frames crap. They can be made with just as decent care as the others. Many are made in the same factories, by the same workers. .

    Go ahead, find me a "boutique" builder, domestic, overseas or whatever that hasn't had any issues, complaints, breakage. Some more, some less. Long run, how do they stand behind their product?

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    Mulitilink bikes (like DW-Link) typically require much tighter tolerances to work right than single pivots. Hydroformed and shaped tubing like Giant and many (most?) others use cost a lot more than round tubing. While Transition is not super-expensive, they are selling for similar prices to Giant, IH, and Specialized's FR bikes. The other brands seem like a better value to me.



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    Thanks Ignazjr!

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    Original topic:
    Thus far, kitchenware has been spot on in his posts about the Preston, Covert, and BR. To start with, there simply isn't enough ST on the large BR's to make it a feasible trail bike. In addition, Transitions run small in terms of cockpit anyway. I'm not sure I'd want to make a large BR work as a trail bike.

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    Keep it simple. Every pivot is a potential point of failure. Not just destructive failures, but wear induced failures too. Transition understands this. Why try to reinvent the wheel when you know the current one rolls just fine? Plus, I don't really have any interest in paying extra pennies for a frame so that company can pay another for the honor of using their patent.

    So why am I am running a parallel link bike? The only reason is geometry. The Balance was the only bike that incorporated all the geometry highpoints that I needed. Especially the short chainstays (15.875") which are difficult to achieve on a single pivot without playing with the seat tube orientation. I was willing to give up a trusted, simple suspension design for that.
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    .....argghhhh
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover

    Just because a multi link bike needs tighter tolerences doesn't make non-multi linked frames crap. They can be made with just as decent care as the others. Many are made in the same factories, by the same workers. .
    I never claimed this, I rode a sp bike for years. Its up to the rider to decide what compromises they want to make. I was just pointing out that Giant and IH have to spend more money to manufacture thair frames because the tolerances need to be tighter. A couple mm makes a big differences on a dw bike, where on a sp its not going to effect anything.

    My ONLY point is that there are a lot of really great bikes at the similar prices to Transition that (I believe) offer the same or better value, yet don't have the "rep" that Trannies do. I am making no judgements about performance, it is entirely a subjective thing, I respect what choices people make. There are no "bad" choices out there these days... (maybe Ellsworth? )

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    brockets are def trail bikes I just rode over 8 miles in fruits on mine with a 8 inch fork and road cassette
    Funny, up that final hill on Saturday your face didn't say "geeze, these make great trail bikes". It looked more like "F**k, why do I have road casette on this bike?!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    It looked more like "F**k, why do I have road casette on this bike?!"
    haha, it's all about the 34t out back!

    Oh, and davec113....
    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    those things have been cracking like eggs around here. Personally, I'd take a Reign X, it has a better suspension, frame tubing, and a lower price than anything Transition offers.
    I had a Giant once... My warranty replacement process lasted longer than the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
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    To start with, there simply isn't enough ST on the large BR's to make it a feasible trail bike. In addition, Transitions run small in terms of cockpit anyway. I'm not sure I'd want to make a large BR work as a trail bike.
    Maybe for you... for us short, squat guys I think it will work just fine. The geo looks like it will handle very well as a trail bike. 24" tt isn't that short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware

    Oh, and davec113....

    I had a Giant once... My warranty replacement process lasted longer than the frame.
    Yup, theres lemons in every brand. My Giant AC cracked.
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    wow didnt think so many people would have so much input on transition bikes. nice to see that they're a fun topic for some and get some critisism from others just like every bike there is. all of the ones that i have seen seam to be a great bike both in terms of ride and value. i think there will always be people that prefer some bikes for certin reasons over others. transitions are still worth checking out at any shop that has them. too bad that there aren't more of them all over the place but then again if they were like a giant, trek, or a special ed who would want one any way? i was very glad to find out that i have been going about devoleping my bike skills the wrong way insted of ridding and fixing them i should be working on my spelling and grammer to be the best ridder i can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mycrusierhasabottleopener
    i was very glad to find out that i have been going about devoleping my bike skills the wrong way insted of ridding and fixing them i should be working on my spelling and grammer to be the best ridder i can be.
    LOL. I had to read your sentence (should have been two) about grammar twice before I figured out what the heck you were even trying to say. I love irony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    LOL. I had to read your sentence (should have been two) about grammar twice before I figured out what the heck you were even trying to say. I love irony.
    im seriously considering online college now just to get it going i wonder if it will work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mycrusierhasabottleopener
    im seriously considering online college now just to get it going i wonder if it will work?
    Here you go...
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    Thanks its on the way but i decided to go with the 0-4 age catagory instead i need all the help i can get!
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    You know what I like about Transition, is the fair priced well made extra parts, the stems, pedals, etc. Nicely machined, not cast and they look good (the most important of course).

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