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    Trail traffic over the last few years

    Avid mountain biker here. I moved away from the Denver area about 3 years ago and I'm contemplating a move back. Every time I visit it seems that there are exponentially more people in the area. I haven't typically been able to bike much when I'm visiting. So, I'd like to hear others' impressions of trail traffic over the last few years. When I lived there, I rode mostly jeff co trails and boulder/ned.

    I spent a while searching for a similar thread and did not find one....

    Thanks for your help

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    It's horrible. You probably shouldn't move back...

    Seriously though, the trails close to Denver will be busy after work and on weekends from Spring through Fall. As long as you've got a good attitude and don't mind stopping occasionally it won't be a problem.

    It gets less busy in the summer when the high country trails thaw and the crowd spreads out.

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    I amazed at how few people I see on the trails. I am fortunate in that I get off of work at 3 and my after work rides are a little earlier, but sometimes I can see the parking lot blowing up as I am leaving. On the weekends, I tend to ride a little further out because I have the time and seem to see very few people.

    Of course there are times when things are super busy (I.E. Winter on North Table when dry), but overall, too many people don't get out and ride.
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    It's not too bad if you compare it to the slopes anymore. It's gotten so bad I don't snowboard anymore. With riding you can go early or late and avoid the crowds. Everything close into Denver gets busy mid-day with bikers and hikers. Of course there's always BC. Even when the overflow parking at the ranger station is packed the system is so large you can ride all day and not encounter too many others.

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    It's like everywhere you go. The sport has gotten more popular so the trails are getting busier.
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    I actually think the trails are less busy now than a few years ago... But I'm riding different trails at different times now. As long as you don't ride right after work or known-to-be-busy trails on the weekend it's not bad at all. Like someone else said, it's a million times better than the ski resorts.

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    There are a lot more riders, a lot more hikers, a lot more hikers with dogs, a lot more trail runners. Sure, if you work a job where you can hit the trails at off hours it isn't bad, but if you are 9-5, M-F, prepare to join rush hour jams during the week. I've had people from places you would think of as crowded, like NY and CA, completely freak out over how crowded the trails are along the Front Range corridor. On weekends there is no relief in some places. Most trails near Boulder are packed by 9AM and stay that way all day.

    And yes, skiing is even worse, I'm not even going to go there.

    Choose your living circumstances carefully if you really want to enjoy riding here.

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    I have been ignoring all the news stories about CO's population growth, because the media here is now so hysterical about everything I just tune them out.

    So I decided to Google up population growth by state.

    Holy Hell.

    Colorado is now the second fastest growing state in terms of people moving here from other states, and fourth fastest overall behind ND (oil boom), TX (massive influx of foreigners plus domestic migration), and UT (influx from other states plus much higher birth rate).


    We are going to be looking at some serious water issues the next time we get a drought like 2001-2003.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    Colorado is now the second fastest growing state in terms of people moving here from other states, and fourth fastest overall...
    Interesting, but not surprising. Where I live on the (current) edge of the Denver metro area, they just keep putting up subdivision after subdivision. So people must be moving here from elsewhere.

    Like many have said, a lot of it depends on when you ride. If you're an 8-5 weekday slave you'll be stuck with crowded trails. Too crowded for my tastes. Especially if we're talking Jeffco OS parks and other close-to-town trails. Buff Creek never seems crowded, due to its size and distance from Denver. But of course it's a longer drive. Ideally, I'd live somewhere like Salida where there are lots of trails and fewer people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post

    Colorado is now the second fastest growing state in terms of people moving here from other states
    Yeah, I don't follow the media's hysteria either. My impression is that every time I return, the streets just seem more and more packed. Unfortunately a lot of the new population wants to do the same things as me - mtn bike, snowboard, etc.

    All of this has been helpful, and like most of us, I will have a typical 8-4/5 kind of job. Maybe I will concentrate my efforts more on the jobs open in Anchorage and Phoenix....at least Alaska is less crowded...

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    LOL at all the curmudgeons and their "get off my lawn" in this thread.

    All you have to do is modify your behavior regarding trails in my experience and crowds disappear.

    And with regards to the ski resorts - crowds are not an issue. Hell - this year I'm always wondering where the hell everyone is...

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    Trail traffic over the last few years

    I moved here a year ago, and within that time I have noticed rush hour traffic getting worse.

    I can't say much about the trails because winter has been keeping most people off them. I will say when it is nice there are a bunch of noobs on the trails. People just walking off trail instead of stopping to let someone pass, people still walking on closed trails, etc. I guess that's what you get when a city has so much growth.

    It's probably only going to get worse with the whole marijuana thing. Despite the lazy stereotype, people who smoke pot are pretty active.

    I love Colorado, but I'm thinking Utah sounds pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    All you have to do is modify your behavior...
    True. And that's very difficult for most folks. I wish people would drive less, consume less, etc., so that maybe the collapse of civilization will be postponed for at least a little longer, but it's not gonna happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Smith View Post
    I moved here a year ago, and within that time I have noticed rush hour traffic getting worse.

    I can't say much about the trails because winter has been keeping most people off them. I will say when it is nice there are a bunch of noobs on the trails. People just walking off trail instead of stopping to let someone pass, people still walking on closed trails, etc.
    Don't blame being a n00B. There are plenty of non-n00Bs that do this too.

    I love Colorado, but I'm thinking Utah sounds pretty good.
    I've been recommending this to people for YEARS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden boy View Post
    True. And that's very difficult for most folks.
    Fortunately... this actually makes it easier for those of us who *do* modify our behavior. I'm more than happy if people keep stuffing up the trails as long as they do it on a predictable schedule.
    I wish people would drive less, consume less, etc., so that maybe the collapse of civilization will be postponed for at least a little longer, but it's not gonna happen.
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    I think the other thing to consider is the trails that you ride. The newer riders tend to stick to the easier trails (you know, the ones like sidewalks). If you are more inclined to tackle the more technical trails, there are exponentially less people. Dakota Ridge is a good example. It may be one of the easiest to access, yet it is rarely busy..

    Sorry if offend anyone with my generalization, but that is kind of how I see it and your experience may differ.
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    Please explain the "modify your behavior" comment. If you work 8-5, on weekdays your choices to avoid crowds are riding really early, which is problematic for those who have to commute, especially if there is no shower where they work, riding in the evening after dark where allowed, or not riding at all. On weekends you pretty much either have to be off the trail by 10, or drive at least an hour to get to a more remote trail.

    The parking area at NTM has even been full this *winter* on any decent weekend day. I can't imagine what it is going to be like mid-April to early-June before the higher trails dry out.

    It isn't going to get any better. There are 20,000 new houses being built between Golden and Longmont in the next few years. Over 7000 of those are in the NW Arvada sacrifice zone around 88th and Indiana, where the closest trails are in Golden and Boulder, which are already the most crowded around.

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    Just ignore no trespassing signs and trail closures. Problem solved. LOL

    And I can't believe people still get upset over someone stepping off the trail when a single rainfall event does more damage and washes more dirt down the hill than 100 years of mountain biking ever could. At what point do you open your eyes and realize you have no control over mother nature? Shit happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    Please explain the "modify your behavior" comment. If you work 8-5, on weekdays your choices to avoid crowds are riding really early, which is problematic for those who have to commute, especially if there is no shower where they work, riding in the evening after dark where allowed, or not riding at all. On weekends you pretty much either have to be off the trail by 10, or drive at least an hour to get to a more remote trail.

    The parking area at NTM has even been full this *winter* on any decent weekend day. I can't imagine what it is going to be like mid-April to early-June before the higher trails dry out.

    It isn't going to get any better. There are 20,000 new houses being built between Golden and Longmont in the next few years. Over 7000 of those are in the NW Arvada sacrifice zone around 88th and Indiana, where the closest trails are in Golden and Boulder, which are already the most crowded around.
    NTM = beginner heaven.. NTM = first and sometimes only thing dry in winter..except Dakota Ridge which is empty.

    Of those 7000 houses, how many do you think actually mtn bike? My guess is 5% or less..

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    Well, assuming your 5% is correct, and there are 2 people per house, that is another 700 riders potentially hitting NTM and Doudy Draw after work, the two closest trails to 88th and Indiana. They are also the closest trails to Broomfield where another 7000 of those houses are being built.

    It will end up being a moot point anyway since there are no plans to improve Highway 93, and it will soon be so gridlocked it will be too painful to get to the NTM or Doudy Draw trailheads anyway, let alone threading south down to Apex/Matthews/Dakota/Green Mountain. On Friday afternoons in summer the traffic on 93 is already basically 100% from Boulder all the way to the intersection of CO93/US-6/CO58. Tossing the traffic from another 20,000 houses into that cluster is going to make things suck even worse. It is hard to believe that is wasn't that long ago that every car coming into Golden from the north had to filter down Washington Street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    Please explain the "modify your behavior" comment. If you work 8-5, on weekdays your choices to avoid crowds are riding really early, which is problematic for those who have to commute, especially if there is no shower where they work, riding in the evening after dark where allowed, or not riding at all.
    Not to be a d-bag but you can ride if you really want to. I get up at butt crack (for me ~4:30 + a snooze or two) and bang out ~1.5hrs, get home, shower and off to work. I know two people who get up earlier than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt Disney's Frozen Head View Post
    Not to be a d-bag but you can ride if you really want to. I get up at butt crack (for me ~4:30 + a snooze or two) and bang out ~1.5hrs, get home, shower and off to work. I know two people who get up earlier than that.

    The only thing preventing you from getting out is you.

    Up at 4:30, 30 minutes from bed to trailhead, ride in the dark, done at 6:30, 30 minutes for trailhead->home->shower->out the door, oops, now it is 7:00 if everything went perfectly, the heart of rush hour. You get a flat on the ride, some wind, whatever, and you are late for work. You must not have the commute that many of people on the west side have. A lot of people can't line things up in the AM becasue of work commitments, kids, etc. You get a flat/mechanical/whatever on your ride after work, no big deal. Before work, big deal.

    But anyway, the point is that if the trails weren't so crowded, you wouldn't have to hit them at 5 AM. I think most people like the OP who are looking to move into a new living situation would see having to hit the trail at 5AM and ride in the dark to avoid crowds as being a major negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    Please explain the "modify your behavior" comment. If you work 8-5, on weekdays your choices to avoid crowds are riding really early, which is problematic for those who have to commute, especially if there is no shower where they work, riding in the evening after dark where allowed, or not riding at all. On weekends you pretty much either have to be off the trail by 10, or drive at least an hour to get to a more remote trail.

    The parking area at NTM has even been full this *winter* on any decent weekend day. I can't imagine what it is going to be like mid-April to early-June before the higher trails dry out.

    It isn't going to get any better. There are 20,000 new houses being built between Golden and Longmont in the next few years. Over 7000 of those are in the NW Arvada sacrifice zone around 88th and Indiana, where the closest trails are in Golden and Boulder, which are already the most crowded around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia View Post
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    Best time in the world to ski.. Sunday during a bronco game.
    Fixed that for you.

    Bonus points if you do it on Superbowl Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    <snip> since there are no plans to improve Highway 93,
    Sure there are - haven't you been hearing all that talk about the 470 extension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    Up at 4:30, 30 minutes from bed to trailhead, ride in the dark, done at 6:30, 30 minutes for trailhead->home->shower->out the door, oops, now it is 7:00 if everything went perfectly, the heart of rush hour. You get a flat on the ride, some wind, whatever, and you are late for work. You must not have the commute that many of people on the west side have. A lot of people can't line things up in the AM becasue of work commitments, kids, etc. You get a flat/mechanical/whatever on your ride after work, no big deal. Before work, big deal.

    But anyway, the point is that if the trails weren't so crowded, you wouldn't have to hit them at 5 AM. I think most people like the OP who are looking to move into a new living situation would see having to hit the trail at 5AM and ride in the dark to avoid crowds as being a major negative.

    To Each his Own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Sure there are - haven't you been hearing all that talk about the 470 extension?
    You mean the Jefferson Porkway? Little known fact: right in the traffic projections they had to provide to DRCOG in the plans for that tollway, they projected that traffic on Highway 93 all the way to Boulder will see increases if it is built, which is one of the reasons Golden is fighting it. At the other end, Superior has filed lawsuits because McCaslin will also be overrun.

    I doubt very many commuters will be willing to pay the $5 toll each way to go 11 miles. It will mostly be used by buses, tourists and business traffic, but of course all of those will funnel down 93 through Golden and past the NTM trailhead first.

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    The best part about the planned C-470 extension into Golden is the clause that prohibits any improvements to the nearby roads, as that would encourage people to bypass the tollway. Just look at the road going through Broomfield... Dillon Rd is an absolute cluster-f*ck because of it.

    As for the original argument, I think the easy answer is YES, there is an increase in trail traffic because there's an increase in the overall population with only a few new trails in the area. However, if you're willing to change your habits and ride at off-peak times or when the weather isn't great, I personally think it's not bad. I've ridden plenty of times this winter when it was 35 degrees or the winds were gusting to 40 mph and I was the only one out there.

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    All the trails have gotten so busy that nobody goes there anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia View Post
    All you whiners should move everything sucks here, please go to Utah
    No. Its terrible here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    You mean the Jefferson Porkway? Little known fact: right in the traffic projections they had to provide to DRCOG in the plans for that tollway, they projected that traffic on Highway 93 all the way to Boulder will see increases if it is built, which is one of the reasons Golden is fighting it. At the other end, Superior has filed lawsuits because McCaslin will also be overrun.

    I doubt very many commuters will be willing to pay the $5 toll each way to go 11 miles. It will mostly be used by buses, tourists and business traffic, but of course all of those will funnel down 93 through Golden and past the NTM trailhead first.
    Meh. You can't stop progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron View Post
    No. Its terrible here.
    Liar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    Please explain the "modify your behavior" comment. If you work 8-5, on weekdays your choices to avoid crowds are riding really early, which is problematic for those who have to commute, especially if there is no shower where they work, riding in the evening after dark where allowed, or not riding at all. On weekends you pretty much either have to be off the trail by 10, or drive at least an hour to get to a more remote trail.

    The parking area at NTM has even been full this *winter* on any decent weekend day. I can't imagine what it is going to be like mid-April to early-June before the higher trails dry out.

    It isn't going to get any better. There are 20,000 new houses being built between Golden and Longmont in the next few years. Over 7000 of those are in the NW Arvada sacrifice zone around 88th and Indiana, where the closest trails are in Golden and Boulder, which are already the most crowded around.
    Maybe stop riding North Table....yeah it is busy now that is what happens when a parking lot and bathrooms go in. Just a couple years ago I never saw anyone up there. Since it has gotten busy there Chimney/Apex traffic has been less. I ride after work all the time and it rarely is bothersome for me...I do get on the trails a little earlier as I leave work at 4:00, but still....not sure what people are expecting the sport is growing.

    Weekends in the middle of summer I ride the high country and have routes that I won't see anyone for hours at a time....there are a lot of options here within an hour of Golden.

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    Trail traffic is not an issue for me really. I live in Colorado!! How lucky am I? I have such a variety of trails to ride at any given time that sometimes it's hard to choose. I decide this way. (In this order of priority) How much time do I have? How far do I want to go? What views do I want to gawk at? How much climbing do I want to do? About 6 months out of the year I have to take trail surface condition into consideration. The ONLY time I think about the amount of people I'll encounter on the trails are in March and April. You only have so many options during this time. But even then, I'll still go, I'll just lower my expectations of flow. I'm really close to Staunton State Park and am always surprised by the amount of people I see there, even back in the more remote sections, but the riding is hard, new to me, and the views are great, so the people don't even begin to annoy me. I suppose living in Evergreen has it's advantages. My "close" rides are not Apex and GM. That kind of traffic would get old after a while. I'm a teacher so for 10 weeks I can be picky, but Fall is my favorite time to ride and I'm out there with everyone else. Everything close to me, on a perfect Sat morning for example, is downright lonely until I'm about 3 miles from the end. How many times have I gotten to BC and been one of the first cars in the parking lot but returned to a packed house? If you live in metroland, eat breakfast in the car. Get to LairO by 8:00 am and you'll be ahead of all the madness.
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    If you read through the thread, to net it out, if you don't mind getting up at 4:30AM and don't have to be to work at a specific time, or can ride in the middle of the day, or you can be out of work and on the trail at 4:00PM, or you don't mind driving at least an hour, then things are great.

    I guess we should sticky this in the "I want to move to the Front Range" thread.

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    Hey! I think you've got it...well done.

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    These threads always make me happy living in C. Springs. Keep Colorado Springs lame!

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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia View Post
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    If you all think the trails are crowded then for sure don't try surfing. At least the mountains are always there. If someone snarks a wave, its gone forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia View Post
    All you whiners should move everything sucks here, please go to Utah
    Just avoid the SLC area and you're good (that is unless you enjoy smog induced asthma).

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    "Commute" - "Drive to trailhead" - "traffic" - "Parking lot at trail head full"

    Sounds like a lot of people on this thread need to rethink their time to ride, place to live and even job!

    OP: Best time of the year all year to ride is at 6am. 5:30am May, June, July August. Sometimes you might see a few people. They typically say good morning too.

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    Sounds like everyone needs to work with Jeffco to build more trails! And ride to the trail, you ninnies

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    What about a new sport, mountain biking is sooo 2001. Move on to something new and leave those crowded trails alone. After all we are the problem that most of us are dealing with.

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    Trail traffic over the last few years

    I dont know how we survive with 300+ days of sunshine, world class skiing/biking/fishing/paddling/beer/green/etc.

    Back to (insert lesser state here with sarcasm) I go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgm View Post
    Sounds like everyone needs to work with Jeffco to build more trails! And ride to the trail, you ninnies
    Sure would be nice if the process didn't take a decade or two....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgm View Post
    Sounds like everyone needs to work with Jeffco to build more trails! And ride to the trail, you ninnies
    the real problem is with cars. 90-95% of the people riding are driving to a trailhead somewhere thus dealing with traffic, crowded parking areas ect.

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    hmmm, been riding in the Front Range for 12 years now, can't think of a time when I encounterd a trail that was "too" crowded for me to enjoy, I ride after work, weekends, etc. I know that have complained about trail users being stupid, rude and careless, but not sure what is considered "too" crowded to enjoy the ride.
    I really don't get in a twist if I have to stop for other trail users, but that is just the norm for using public property.
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    I don't mind the traffic when it's encountered. I rather make eye contact with someone, smile and carry on rather than get a Strava PR. Glad to see people getting after it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinerider View Post
    Trail traffic is not an issue for me really. I live in Colorado!! How luck am I?
    Too right!

    I used to live in the Chicago area and there was one primary trail system (Palos Hills) for about 5 million people so I can't complain about crowds.

    I live next to the South Boulder trails. They're busy and I avoid then in the summer evening or weekends. Instead I ride them at night. Night is great - I pretty must have the place to myself so I can let it rip - not something you can do during the day. In the summer I head to higher trails. I've done rides on Sourdough where I have not seen another person for two hours. Even on busy days I might see, what? 10 people an hour? I can't complain.

    On weekends I try to hit the trails by 8am. Usually no problem with crowds then and I can make it back home to do stuff with the family in the pm. If you are a late riser and never get to the lot until 10-11am then, yep, your are likely to find the lot full. Get up earlier! Actually NO DON'T! Then you are competing with my parking spot..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Smith View Post
    I moved here a year ago, and within that time I have noticed rush hour traffic getting worse.

    I can't say much about the trails because winter has been keeping most people off them. I will say when it is nice there are a bunch of noobs on the trails. People just walking off trail instead of stopping to let someone pass, people still walking on closed trails, etc. I guess that's what you get when a city has so much growth.

    It's probably only going to get worse with the whole marijuana thing. Despite the lazy stereotype, people who smoke pot are pretty active.

    I love Colorado, but I'm thinking Utah sounds pretty good.
    I agree.... you should move to Utah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    Up at 4:30, 30 minutes from bed to trailhead, ride in the dark, done at 6:30, 30 minutes for trailhead->home->shower->out the door, oops, now it is 7:00 if everything went perfectly, the heart of rush hour. You get a flat on the ride, some wind, whatever, and you are late for work. You must not have the commute that many of people on the west side have. A lot of people can't line things up in the AM becasue of work commitments, kids, etc. You get a flat/mechanical/whatever on your ride after work, no big deal. Before work, big deal.

    But anyway, the point is that if the trails weren't so crowded, you wouldn't have to hit them at 5 AM. I think most people like the OP who are looking to move into a new living situation would see having to hit the trail at 5AM and ride in the dark to avoid crowds as being a major negative.
    You should check out any number of fantastic lighting systems available to bikers these day. Night riding is awesome and you'll have the trails to yourself and maybe a deer or coyote of two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SicBith View Post
    I agree.... you should move to Utah.
    I think I need to be one step ahead... Where are the people going to move when Utah becomes another Colorado?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Smith View Post
    I think I need to be one step ahead... Where are the people going to move when Utah becomes another Colorado?
    New Mexico

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    Quote Originally Posted by SicBith View Post
    You should check out any number of fantastic lighting systems available to bikers these day. Night riding is awesome and you'll have the trails to yourself and maybe a deer or coyote of two.
    And the ocasional bobcat or black bear. If you're really unlucky though perhaps a mountain lion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Smith View Post
    I think I need to be one step ahead... Where are the people going to move when Utah becomes another Colorado?
    Their own private Idaho? (The "Underground like a wild potato" one, not the River Phoenix/Keanu Reeves one)

    Or maybe moving to Montana soon? ... to be a dental floss tycoon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Smith View Post
    I think I need to be one step ahead... Where are the people going to move when Utah becomes another Colorado?
    if it weren't for the shear heat in the summer in AZ, that'd be a perfect place...Then again it feels too hot in the front range in summer as well. I vote for Bend, OR. Let the migration begin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Smith View Post
    I think I need to be one step ahead... Where are the people going to move when Utah becomes another Colorado?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Their own private Idaho? (The "Underground like a wild potato" one, not the River Phoenix/Keanu Reeves one)

    Or maybe moving to Montana soon? ... to be a dental floss tycoon?
    I heard that Salida is the next Boulder. Get in now before the hipsters take over the real estate market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbsbiker View Post
    I heard that Salida is the next Boulder. Get in now before the hipsters take over the real estate market.
    Sorry dude, the ship's already sailed on that one. It's been happening for a while, but they weren't hipsters so much as lawyers and investment types who wanted a weekend place, so they buy a perfect little victorian and let the grass die. Then you see an escalade parked there every couple months.

    Now just recently I've noticed a wave of dewds riding around on fixies, cargo bikes, long boards etc with ironic facial hair, neck ink and stretched ear lobe rings. And/or those rasta beanies. I think about equal numbers of these Salida hipsterati are buying houses for cash or sleeping in tents across the river from downtown.

    Here's what we say about moving to Salida:

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    Available women in Pb town are like available parking spaces; they tend to be cold and dark and way out there.
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    I was talking to a friend recently (RE Agent) who mentioned that they have been seeing increased client interest in subdivisions that have private trails. Also mentioned it wasn't just the mountain bikers but hikers/trail runners as well. I guess bikers are not the only ones sick of the sh!tshow on the FR trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by btadlock View Post
    hmmm, been riding in the Front Range for 12 years now, can't think of a time when I encounterd a trail that was "too" crowded for me to enjoy, I ride after work, weekends, etc. I know that have complained about trail users being stupid, rude and careless, but not sure what is considered "too" crowded to enjoy the ride.
    I really don't get in a twist if I have to stop for other trail users, but that is just the norm for using public property.
    Yeah, I agree. An amount of users that will bother some may not be an issue for others.

    I rode Hall yesterday and the lots were 100% full when we got back from the ride, we had a great time and got to meet a few other cool people. No, it isn't the same as a remote backcountry ride, but it really isn't a big deal either.

    I also don't get where all the conflict comes from, I've never had an "issue" with another trail user that caused me to be annoyed for more than 1 second or so, do people really get into such a huff over yielding rules, stepping off trail, etc? I keep on reading about from time to time but I've never seen it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113 View Post
    do people really get into such a huff over yielding rules, stepping off trail, etc? I keep on reading about from time to time but I've never seen it.
    people don't understand the concept of yielding in the front range

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDKeg View Post
    people don't understand the concept of yielding in the front range
    True, but who cares? It's a minor inconvenience... if I have right of way and still have to avoid a trail user it might take 5-10 seconds out of my day. It's not a big deal.

    Actually, the most negative experience I have ever had was having a Boulder Mountain Bike Patroller yell at me for riding 2' off trail to yield instead of doing the Fruita lean... at Heil ranch...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biopace View Post
    I was talking to a friend recently (RE Agent) who mentioned that they have been seeing increased client interest in subdivisions that have private trails. Also mentioned it wasn't just the mountain bikers but hikers/trail runners as well. I guess bikers are not the only ones sick of the sh!tshow on the FR trails.
    Some of the nicest singletrack in the Denver FR area is private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Some of the nicest singletrack in the Denver FR area is private.
    Indeed. And worth the extra price of admission. A crowded day is seeing other bikers that you don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Some of the nicest singletrack in the Denver FR area is private.
    Yeah, anyone in Ken Caryl want to be my friend? I'll like, bring you beer an' stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Sorry dude, the ship's already sailed on that one. It's been happening for a while, but they weren't hipsters so much as lawyers and investment types who wanted a weekend place, so they buy a perfect little victorian and let the grass die. Then you see an escalade parked there every couple months.

    Now just recently I've noticed a wave of dewds riding around on fixies, cargo bikes, long boards etc with ironic facial hair, neck ink and stretched ear lobe rings. And/or those rasta beanies. I think about equal numbers of these Salida hipsterati are buying houses for cash or sleeping in tents across the river from downtown.

    Here's what we say about moving to Salida:

    Bring your money and your honey. Finding a woman here, well it's like they say in Leadville:

    Available women in Pb town are like available parking spaces; they tend to be cold and dark and way out there.
    It's all us Summit Countians fleeing the frozen white wateland for a little banana belt relief.

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    Found some new lines there, thinking outside the box. I like it again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post

    Available women in Pb town are like available parking spaces; they tend to be cold and dark and way out there.
    When i lived in Moab, I heard: Available Women are like parking spots, all the good ones are taken. The rest are either handicapped or way the fvck out there.

    Then again, at least 1/2 the people in Moab are way the fck out there. Kinda its charm.

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    Here is the issue, it's called the front range mega region, 44% population growth by 2025, one of the fastest growing regions in the US today.
    Megaregions of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    And the ocasional bobcat or black bear. If you're really unlucky though perhaps a mountain lion
    I T-boned a hippo the other night on North Table. I tink der comin in from da construction site cross da rood. Dang hippos
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    I try to ride tues/thurs right after lunch around 1 or 2pm when the trails are pretty dead and I always have great front range rides! I live in Golden so its easy to get out that time of day. If anyone else on here can ride that time of day...shoot me an email!! I usually stick with apex and other stuff that is pretty close. Hopefully I can find some folks that have my schedule.

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    Saw *3* other riders on Dak Ridge today. CURSE YOU FR CROWDS!!

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    I rode Marshall Mesa and Flatirons yesterday and I did not see one other person. No crowds here.



    Okay, I rode it at night but it's not uncommon to see at least one other person, even at night.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terp View Post
    If you all think the trails are crowded then for sure don't try surfing. At least the mountains are always there. If someone snarks a wave, its gone forever.
    ^^^ THIS, A MILLION TIMES OVER.


    Crowded hiking/biking trails, even crowded ski resorts, pale in comparison to the misery that is a crowded surf break on a clean midsize day.

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    If every single one of the recreational types (hikers and MTBers included) who go on news comment sections and internet forums to rant and rave and whinge and moan about the crowding, user conflict issues, and damage on the FR trails system were to start:

    • organizing & volunteering for trail days;
    • learning all the rules of trail etiquette AND practicing them;
    • educating their families, colleagues and peer groups in same;
    • advocating for expanding the trails and use networks;
    • lobbying for / voting in local elections for improvements to Open Space management practices, with emphasis on intelligent recreational management, enforcement, education and outreach

    then it wouldn't take ten years to approve new alignments and we wouldn't have shitty outcomes like the West TSA debacle. This kind of crap happens mainly because the majority of the user base affected by these outcomes is apathetic, ignorant and unengaged in the process, which allows things like small vocal minorities with cash to manipulate public policy in their favor. If the people in power start realizing their decisions are truly unpopular with the bulk of users, and could cost them their positions, change will happen.

    And as bad as everyone makes it out to be, honestly I moved here in 2000 and the MTB trails network in the Front Range is actually a lot less lame than it was then. To get to any sort of decent lengthy singletrack ride in 2001, you had to drive all the way to the high country. Are trails like Picture Rock and Springbrook enough? No, there needs to be more, and more varied styles of trail networks open to MTB use all over the region. There needs to be honest, unbiassed discussion of access, user preference and use patterns. There needs to be a conversation about how "multi-use" dumbs down the trail experience and perpetuates user conflict perception issues for everyone, and how designated use (MTB only) trails should become a part of the picture, especially when we already have a vast network of designated trails for hiking and equestrian use.

    I go out and bust my ass annually on half a dozen or more trail days, and donate cash and time and votes in local elections to change things for the better. I also ride road bikes and race road, mountain and cyclocross. If I can find time to do this working around a job with an inflexible 8-5 weekday schedule, plus 8-12 hours a week training and racing, I'm fairly sure others can negotiate some advocacy time as well around their own family or lifestyle schedules. Don't get me wrong, I get it. It's easy to drink beer and criticize, not quite as easy to speak up and get involved in the process.

    I live next to the South Boulder trails system. I recently did a 3+ hour midday Saturday Marshall Mesa / Dirty Biz / Springbrook / Doudy ride on my CX bike, on a dry but cloudy and fairly cold day, and saw exactly 3 other trail users - a couple of bikes and one trail runner. It was probably 45°F, so plenty warm enough to ride, allowing for some extra layers. And there was no wind, which is like a freaking miracle in springtime.

    Yesterday most of the area trails were still too wet to ride, so our weekly shop MTB crew went out for a dirt road climb-o-fest from north Boulder. So Wonderland Lake to Lee Hill / WW Gap to Bow Mountain to Linden, then scoot across 4th to the creek path and up Fourmile to Poorman with a little bonus loop at the top of Poorman through the neighborhoods, then back down Sunshine to the shop. No it wasn't singletrack but there was plenty of dirt and climbing and pain involved, there was very little traffic, and there would have been a lot more fun dirt road loop exploratory stuff had we not been limited by things like regrouping and daylight.

    Anytime it's cloudy or chilly it chases all the fair-weather types off. Anytime it's too wet to ride trails, there are hundreds and hundreds of miles of dirt secondary roads (that granted aren't singletrack) that are free for the taking and actually improve (less gravelly / loose) when they're damp. Take a fatbike or CX out on them if you've got one, and see how much that increases the fun factor (pro tip: a lot).

    As someone else mentioned, anytime you let negative experiences drive your perception of the trails here, you will spend your entire ride being pissed off about it, and that's no way to spend a ride. Ask yourself what percentage of your ride is actually made up of negative (vs neutral or positive) interactions. I'll bet it's less than 1%. I'd rather spend my ride time enjoying the scenery, the suffering, or the cute booty on the trail runner I just passed. If that means I have to use waiting for an uphill group to clear as an excuse to session something I didn't ride smoothly, then so be it. If it means I have to endure getting lectured by a trail patrol member when I didn't do a 100% perfect "Fruita Lean", then I do (yep, this happened to me, too; sure I was kind of like "wait, seriously?" but figured it was just frustration on his part; it was a super busy day out on Picture Rock and the n00bs were out in force).

    Fix your expectations, adjust your notions of what good weather, a fun route, or riding day entails, maybe work a bit on ye olde sharing and empathy skills, and consider putting in some sweat equity and advocacy work if you really care about seeing change vs. bickering about the status quo.

    Every single cyclist who reads this thread can be a valuable part of the process if they just care enough to do the work and rattle the relevant cages. Or else just don't move here, like someone else upthread said, because yeah, it sucks. /sarcasm

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