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    Technical trails - what is good?

    So I was riding the canyons at Pueblo and loved them. I was surprised at how easy I found them so I want to up the game. What trails are longer (in length and height drop) and gnarlier with the same kind of rock slab type of technical features in this area? I'm not after man-made bike park type of technical with jumps, berms and such like.

    I love SSV but it is still too cross countryish for the type of trail I'm looking for. I'm after that natural rocky (eroded type) of trail that has plenty of rock slabs/ledges and drops and a distinct lack of groomed dirt. I used to ride a lot of these in the mountains of Wales and England but I haven't seen too much of it over here yet.

    I'm guessing Blackjack at Buffalo Creek is up there. Would you say this is easier or harder than the Pueblo canyons?

    So suggestions?

    Anyway here are a few vids from my session at Pueblo. I have more but just haven't got to uploading them yet.

    The Freeride Trail
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    Hooters Canyon
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    Water Tower Trail
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    Hall Ranch rock garden
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    Done Hall Ranch and Bobcat Ridge and Devils Backbone. Still not quite what I am looking for.

    Perhaps I need to get a less capable bike to make everything harder? Ride it on my 26er hard-tail...

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    Moab.

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    At about 1:05 in your hooters video take a right. More technical than the main trail.

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    Technical trails - what is good?

    Next time I head back to Pueblo I'll be focusing on the Canyons. I rode most canyons only once and noted more interesting lines as I was descending.

    I'll definitely will try out the non main lines next time

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    I'm after that natural rocky (eroded type) of trail that has plenty of rock slabs/ledges and drops and a distinct lack of groomed dirt.
    You're not going to find that kind of terrain around here.

    Your comment about getting a less-capable bike is funny. You must be the best rider on the mountain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    Next time I head back to Pueblo I'll be focusing on the Canyons. I rode most canyons only once and noted more interesting lines as I was descending.

    I'll definitely will try out the non main lines next time
    Skip Pueblo & hit up Palmer Park & Ute Valley trails in Colorado Springs. Both have some nice, techy trails, some fast, some slower, but super fun to session both places. Ute, IMO, has a bit more than Palmer regarding the drops & jumps. Went Saturday & rode both, good times!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    Your comment about getting a less-capable bike is funny. You must be the best rider on the mountain.
    It's in jest, however, my Tallboy LTc is such a capable machine it does make trails that I was unable to ride on my mid 90s 26er cross country bike ridiculously easy. The capabilities are now only limited by my skills even though I've been riding for 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inkpad View Post
    Skip Pueblo & hit up Palmer Park & Ute Valley trails in Colorado Springs. Both have some nice, techy trails, some fast, some slower, but super fun to session both places. Ute, IMO, has a bit more than Palmer regarding the drops & jumps. Went Saturday & rode both, good times!
    Great. Hopefully the weather won't be too bad this week (this is my last week off before I start work again..)

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    Go hit free lunch in Grand Junction or TWE, Portal or Amasa in Moab. The entrance to Horsetheif might make your you know what pucker as well. I always drive west to get my technical fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    It's in jest, however, my Tallboy LTc is such a capable machine it does make trails that I was unable to ride on my mid 90s 26er cross country bike ridiculously easy. The capabilities are now only limited by my skills even though I've been riding for 20 years.
    Yeah, I was just giving you sh*t anyways... in all honesty though, for consistent riding like you describe you're going to have to visit Moab or the GJ/Fruita area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    Yeah, I was just giving you sh*t anyways... in all honesty though, for consistent riding like you describe you're going to have to visit Moab or the GJ/Fruita area.
    If you happen to be up here in Salida, there is one trail that could be what you're looking for. Longer than anything at Pueblo, and harder than anything I've seen there. I don't recall encountering anything at Pueblo that intimidated me so much I wouldn't ride it. But our Unkle Nazty trail has a couple bits that just look like an emergency room visit to me. It's mostly a dense lava-type rock. Not like pumice that's low density and will shear off if you skid it. Similar bubbly rough surface texture, but hard. Mean rock. Flesh ripping rock.

    It's a steep-ass climb up jeep road to get to it. Really steep to the upper part. But if you're here and want to ride something techy give it a shot.
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    Technical trails - what is good?

    ^^^ Sounds dangerous

    Not sure if/when I'd get to Salida but thx for the offer. I'd give you a shout if I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    If you happen to be up here in Salida, there is one trail that could be what you're looking for. Longer than anything at Pueblo, and harder than anything I've seen there. I don't recall encountering anything at Pueblo that intimidated me so much I wouldn't ride it. But our Unkle Nazty trail has a couple bits that just look like an emergency room visit to me. It's mostly a dense lava-type rock. Not like pumice that's low density and will shear off if you skid it. Similar bubbly rough surface texture, but hard. Mean rock. Flesh ripping rock.

    It's a steep-ass climb up jeep road to get to it. Really steep to the upper part. But if you're here and want to ride something techy give it a shot.

    that is a fun one.. worth a couple laps
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    ^^^ Sounds dangerous

    Not sure if/when I'd get to Salida but thx for the offer. I'd give you a shout if I do.
    Pffft. That old man rides a 71* 29'er. Probably doesn't even have a dropper post. I'd wager that trail is slightly more challenging than Green Mountain.

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    Technical trail

    Here you go. Have a go at this Technical Report Archive and Image Library
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    Black Jack is a leap over anything at Pueblo.
    South Saint Vrain comes mind as at least as hard as Pueblo.
    Lion Gulch.
    Crosier Mountain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Pffft. That old man rides a 71* 29'er. Probably doesn't even have a dropper post. I'd wager that trail is slightly more challenging than Green Mountain.
    Shut your WHORE MOUTH!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
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    There are a few trails at Hartman that sound more like what you're describing. That's a weird place. It looks so tame, even driving by Rattlesnake you think it looks easy. It ain't, and there are nastier trails, too.

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    Blackjack is the best tech trail I've seen in the area with natural features. If you can clean that trail you are a god IMHO. I have gotten most of the downs, but there are a few ups in there that I look at with wonder... Maybe with a trials bike? Dakota Ridge is up there as well, though kinda short. If you can get up the stairs and through the following tech section you should probably look at MTB as a profession.

    Others here mentioned Moab, but your selection of "I won't be able to clean everything here" type trails is diminishing rapidly out there. The newest trails like mag-7 and Capt Ahab don't have anything even close to the likes of Blackjack, and are fully rideable by intermediates. Porcupine Rim has had a LOT of work done on the lower section in an attempt to sway people from "braiding" trails by going around the tech sections. It's a shame they feel the need to sanitize these trails down to the lowest common denominator..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRage43 View Post
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    Others here mentioned Moab, but your selection of "I won't be able to clean everything here" type trails is diminishing rapidly out there. The newest trails like mag-7 and Capt Ahab don't have anything even close to the likes of Blackjack, and are fully rideable by intermediates. Porcupine Rim has had a LOT of work done on the lower section in an attempt to sway people from "braiding" trails by going around the tech sections. It's a shame they feel the need to sanitize these trails down to the lowest common denominator..
    The point has been made time and again - Porc Rim *used* to be way easier than it is now. Erosion and time has been rather abusive to that trail. Give it a few seasons and new, different gnar will be back. And your assertion that tech is diminishing is amusing. A lot of the big tech exists on the jeep trail/doubletrack and it will always be there. And let's not forget Portal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    If you happen to be up here in Salida, there is one trail that could be what you're looking for. Longer than anything at Pueblo, and harder than anything I've seen there. I don't recall encountering anything at Pueblo that intimidated me so much I wouldn't ride it. But our Unkle Nazty trail has a couple bits that just look like an emergency room visit to me. It's mostly a dense lava-type rock. Not like pumice that's low density and will shear off if you skid it. Similar bubbly rough surface texture, but hard. Mean rock. Flesh ripping rock.

    It's a steep-ass climb up jeep road to get to it. Really steep to the upper part. But if you're here and want to ride something techy give it a shot.
    Yeah, the cheese grater rock adds a lot to the intimidation factor on that one. the moves them selves are certainly hard, but with "friendlier" rock, it wouldn't be nearly as pucker inducing.

    Personally, I don't seek that kind of s**t out anymore (stuff where there's better than small odds I'll end up in a bleeding heap somewhere along the way). I really can't afford to hurt myself as there's no one to replace me at work and I need functioning limbs and digits to do my job. Plus, torn skin is no longer a badge of honor to be shown off, it just hurts and makes it hard to sleep.

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    Okay where to go tomorrow?

    I'm tempted to head back to Buffalo Creek and hit up Blackjack but the weather is looking iffy for this week.

    Instead I think I will head to Colorado Springs and check out Palmer and/or Ute...

    Thanks for the ideas.
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    If it is not challenging enough when you ride down it, turn around and ride up it.

    Then go find something harder.

    How many people have ridden PC from the river? I'd guess it is a bit harder that way.

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    Check out Haflin Canyon near Durango if you're ever nearby.

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    I just uploaded a few more if anyone cares

    Log Drop
    Pueblo - Log Drop Trail - YouTube

    Sidewinder
    Pueblo - Sidewider - YouTube

    Dead Dog to Broken Hip (getting lost)
    Pueblo - Dead Dog to Broken Hip - Getting Lost! - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Moab.
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    Give it a month and take that bike down some double blacks at Keystone. Or head over to Vail and ride Old 9 Line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu View Post
    Give it a month and take that bike down some double blacks at Keystone. Or head over to Vail and ride Old 9 Line.
    This is what I've been pondering. After watching his Hooters POV, Is it really a lack of tech on the front range, or does the OP need to just open his eyes, pick the gnarlier line and probably lay off the brakes a bit before deciding what trail isn't techie enough for him? Not trying to say he's not going fast enough, but I think there is something to be said for speed before claiming "ease of trail".

    Point being, even the most gnarliest of sections has a sheep line (the most followed line, also the easiest). Then suddenly, since someone took the sheep line (the easiest part) of the proclaimed "gnarly bit" that section isn't "hard enough". Ya know? All becuase they failed to actually try a tough line that may not have been noticed on the first try.
    Biker? I don't even know her.

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    I think the OP is just stoked on his new bike. Let him bask in it.
    I've ridden with the guy and he certainly couldn't keep up with a lot of folk out here advocating tougher trails/lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SylentK View Post
    Point being, even the most gnarliest of sections has a sheep line (the most followed line, also the easiest). Then suddenly, since someone took the sheep line (the easiest part) of the proclaimed "gnarly bit" that section isn't "hard enough". Ya know? All becuase they failed to actually try a tough line that may not have been noticed on the first try.
    Not to knock the OP either, he is clearly no beginner, but SylentK has a point. There's always an easy line and a "Sam Hill" line. For non-DH racers what I mean there is there is always a gnarlier, faster, more difficult line. Years back Sam Hill rode lines that some didn't consider rideable so often no one at the time could keep up with him.

    Watch the video of the rock garden at a WC years ago. Then at 9:12 Sam takes a crazy line that no one else does. He jumps into the rock garden. And lands right next to a boulder just to squeak by.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...wJIG21s#t=509s
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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    You're not going to find that kind of terrain around here.
    wait a sec... lots of riding down here falls under "that kind of terrain"

    rocky/eroded trails - check
    slabs/ledges/drops - check
    lack of groomed dirt - check

    way to bring the LULZ

    although i agree that junction/moab has MORE of that style of riding... we still have some steep/chunky trails here (to say nothing of the resorts)

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    Technical trails - what is good?

    I'm not offended by the comments about my "apparent lack of technical skills", but I want to put things in context.

    I'm a mid 40s desk jockey not some kid with lungs the size of Everest. I'll never be able to climb hills quickly as I have a reduced lung capacity so I can't generate the power but I can descend quick. Take Dave's 50 mile Fall epic. I was crap on the climbs but was as fast or faster than most people there on the descents.

    Am I stoked on my new bike? Sure! It's allowing me to ride so much more. I used to ride a mid 90s XC FS bike and before that a hardtail when tubes were still skinny and 63mm of suspension was considered huge. Even though I would ride trails like the canyon descents of Pueblo on such antiquated machinery. I was just a bit slower as it was more about finesse.

    With that reference and the capabilities of the new bike sure the trails seemed somewhat easy. Sure there are more difficult lines but I rode each canyon only once (apart from Hooters) so the descent you see is my virgin descent.

    Today I rode Palmer Park. Again I could not clear the technical climbs (that lack of power thing) but all technical descents were cleared bar one on Templeton (a rocky switchback just above the stables). I rode Templeton, Signal Hill, Cheyenne and a few things I don't think were even trails - I got lost a lot.

    Again most trails were hit in one take. Only a couple of the larger drops did I need a second or third try. If I had Palmer on my backdoor and I rode it each week I might think the lines I took today were pretty tame or think that they were done too slow. With experience on any section of trail comes speed and more daring lines. I can see that.

    I'm very much a two wheels on the ground kind of guy. You will never see me at a bike park doing dirt jumps. That's not my gig. To me mountain biking is a journey. I like to feel like I have gone somewhere when a go out. My ideal ride would a long and undulating cross countryish climb that leads into a 1000+feet rock strewn technical descent.

    I was merely hoping that I may find something like that around here that did not involve a 4+hr drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    I'm very much a two wheels on the ground kind of guy. You will never see me at a bike park doing dirt jumps. That's not my gig.
    As I mentioned above, Keystone and Vail. They have been around longer than Winter Park/Sol Vista so they don't have as many jump style trails. Most of their difficult trails don't involve too much air time. Steep, rocky, etc is the thing.

    I'll even volunteer to take you around Vail. The trails are not labeled very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu View Post
    As I mentioned above, Keystone and Vail. They have been around longer than Winter Park/Sol Vista so they don't have as many jump style trails. Most of their difficult trails don't involve too much air time. Steep, rocky, etc is the thing.

    I'll even volunteer to take you around Vail. The trails are not labeled very well.
    You would be responsible for his death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    You would be responsible for his death.
    Join the dark side Bacon Boy...ride a lift...

    You'll end up drinking PBR, listening to Slayer, selling that fu#king Subaru and being a much better person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu View Post
    Join the dark side Bacon Boy...ride a lift...

    You'll end up drinking PBR, listening to Slayer, selling that fu#king Subaru and being a much better person.
    I've ridden lift. I shuttle. I still say you'll kill TheNormsk on a "guided tour."

    I will NOT drink PBR, and try as I might... I just don't like Slayer.

    And the Subaru will be around until the kids need a car. So no dice there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu View Post
    Or head over to Vail and ride Old 9 Line.
    Soon ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick. View Post
    Soon ....
    Or not so soon.

    THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN GRAND JUNCTION HAS ISSUED A
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    I am not trying to be funny here - there are no fences near the Freeride trail on your vid - why not just ride anywhere, rather than staying on a trail? That would give you all the tech you are after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    .... I just don't like Slayer...
    You're dead to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu View Post
    Join the dark side Bacon Boy...ride a lift...

    You'll end up drinking PBR, listening to Slayer, selling that fu#king Subaru and being a much better person.
    Minus the PBR (I'm white trash, I just like whiskey), that sounds heavenly.
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    Pikes Peak (shuttle from the summit), Round Mtn., Crosier, Indian, N Lone Pine, Roaring Creek, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridnparadise View Post
    I am not trying to be funny here - there are no fences near the Freeride trail on your vid - why not just ride anywhere, rather than staying on a trail? That would give you all the tech you are after.
    Bad advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    Perhaps I need to get a less capable bike to make everything harder?
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