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    Sweet Walker Ranch Video on vital

    <iframe src="http://www.vitalmtb.com/v/16372?width=780&height=439" width="780" height="439" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href='http://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/features/ONE-LAP-Walker-Ranch-with-Joey-Schusler-and-Michael-Larsen,16372/sspomer,2'>ONE LAP: Walker Ranch with Joey Schusler and Michael Larsen</a></p>

    looks like some rad trail up there!

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    Nice vid.

    Glad there was no one taking a video of my Walker Ranch loop today, my mojo must have been frozen in a bottle somewhere, because I didn't have any
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    Warning: turn the sound down until around 1:09!! Seriously, i warned you...

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    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    Wonder if I would be able to ride that on my 29er?

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    You will be once BMA and BCPOS are done with it. They're going to get rid of all that "unsustainable" terrain and make sure there's no more reckless shenanigans like this video.

    "The South Boulder Creek trail, while not exactly a road, is too steep for multiple use, and user conflict and unsustainable conditions are a natural result of taking a fisherman access and making it a multiple use trail. Let's take a fresh look at designing a building something that will manage speeds and make it fun for all."
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    Fun video!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    You will be once BMA and BCPOS are done with it. They're going to get rid of all that "unsustainable" terrain and make sure there's no more reckless shenanigans like this video.

    "The South Boulder Creek trail, while not exactly a road, is too steep for multiple use, and user conflict and unsustainable conditions are a natural result of taking a fisherman access and making it a multiple use trail. Let's take a fresh look at designing a building something that will manage speeds and make it fun for all."
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    Ughhh, I've nothing but good things to say about BMA and advocacy but I'm equally less inspired by their trail "design" to date. Maybe stick with what ya do best (and some might argue that point too).

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    ^^ Boo that!
    Something with wheels and brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    You will be once BMA and BCPOS are done with it. They're going to get rid of all that "unsustainable" terrain and make sure there's no more reckless shenanigans like this video.

    "The South Boulder Creek trail, while not exactly a road, is too steep for multiple use, and user conflict and unsustainable conditions are a natural result of taking a fisherman access and making it a multiple use trail. Let's take a fresh look at designing a building something that will manage speeds and make it fun for all."
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    "Too steep for multiple use"? Since when is a trail too steep for hikers, but not mountain bikers?

    I wonder how many switchbacks they could fit on Walker if they use the same formula they used on the new section at Hall? Given there are five or six at Hall covering about 100 vertical feet, I bet they could easily fit 40-50 at Walker without blinking an eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    "Given there are five or six at Hall covering about 100 vertical feet, I bet they could easily fit 40-50 at Walker without blinking an eye.
    And then they can self-champion about how many miles of singletrack they "added".

    I'm having tougher time keeping any positive attitude towards BMA. I'm not sure why they have this focus on continuing to replace existing fun trails with "managed speed" sidewalks instead of fighting to keep the trails we love and pushing the trail work resources into advocating for new singletracks. I'm all for the proposed (long overdue) connectors, but then in the same breath they want to kill off all the fun parts of S. Boulder Creek that you see in that vid??

    Hell, many folks still have a goal to be able to ride the entire portage down (myself included). I don't think I even want to know what they have in mind for that. I don't get the mentality of trying to eliminate all natural technical features from BoCo trails. Is some diversity really so bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    And then they can self-champion about how many miles of singletrack they "added".

    I'm having tougher time keeping any positive attitude towards BMA. I'm not sure why they have this focus on continuing to replace existing fun trails with "managed speed" sidewalks instead of fighting to keep the trails we love and pushing the trail work resources into advocating for new singletracks. I'm all for the proposed (long overdue) connectors, but then in the same breath they want to kill off all the fun parts of S. Boulder Creek that you see in that vid??

    Hell, many folks still have a goal to be able to ride the entire portage down (myself included). I don't think I even want to know what they have in mind for that. I don't get the mentality of trying to eliminate all natural technical features from BoCo trails. Is some diversity really so bad?
    Same thing is happening here in Fort Collins. Already this year a few of the best challenging sections of a few different trails have been replaced with 4' wide dirt paths & nearly un-ridable switchbacks What was once a very fun, 30-50' technical section of trail is now 100 ' long boring path.

    Boo

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    First, there was Walker.

    Then, Super Walker.

    Now, Magic Walker. The one where you don't have to climb.

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    Sounds like they are trying to make a fun looking trail into something weaksauce. I better get up there soon so I can ride the fun stuff before I drive up there for a bike path switchback death zone of boring.

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    Last time I rode Walker, I remember a lot more climbing. ...I like this version better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman View Post
    Last time I rode Walker, I remember a lot more climbing. ...I like this version better.
    haha I was thinking the same thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    Wonder if I would be able to ride that on my 29er?
    Why wouldnt ya?

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    and make sure there's no more reckless shenanigans like this video.
    Reckless what? Looks like a normal day of Walker to me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by IH8MUD View Post
    Reckless what? Looks like a normal day of Walker to me...
    Evidentially I forgot to use the sarcasm font.

    But it appears like this type of riding is no longer okay since all the new BMA trail is into "managing speeds". For some reason I thought that's what those fancy lever thingies attached to my handlebars were for.

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    People ride without gloves? My hands would be turned into hamburger after a few rides. I crash way too much.

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well Fun for all? Not quite.

    quoted:
    "The South Boulder Creek trail, while not exactly a road, is too steep for multiple use, and user conflict and unsustainable conditions are a natural result of taking a fisherman access and making it a multiple use trail. Let's take a fresh look at designing a building something that will manage speeds and make it fun for all."
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    end quote.

    "...fun for all." except the mountain bikers.

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    I'm all for one of those wheelchair lifts up and down the portal steps

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    Great vid Joey. However, The "superior way" to ride Walker is start Counter Clockwise, ride almost all the way to the stairs, ride the techy section and loop back the way you came (unless you want to ride the stairs down... Crazy!). Once you get back to the lot continue on the Clockwise portion of Columbine Gulch Trail, rock that sweet down hill to the river and turn around again and climb up to the lower lot. Then hop on the dirt road and climb back to the main lot. You get the best of everything, man I love Walker. Can Someone make a bumper sticker that say 'Don't Sanitize Walker Ranch'

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    Hi All, I am a crazy fan of Walker Ranch. I have posted concerns about the possibility of trail change up there and seen a lot of other riders who share my concern, see this thread for more Possible trail changes at Walker Ranch!. I just want to clarify a few things that I have learned as I have talked with more of the people involved.
    1. BMA is not the problem. I see a lot of BMA bashing on this site, and some of my post may have started these rants. BMA is the best resource Boulder Mountain Bikers have. The guys that run BMA want to see great trails just as bad as you and I but they are bound by the completely insane politics of Boulder. Yeah in the name of sustainability some trails have gotten worse but the alternative could very easily have been that open space would just close them to bikes all together. So in short BMA is the good guy here, just they have to talk the talk and walk the walk of the boulder political system....
    2. From the meeting I went to where Jesse Rounds presented the proposed changes, not a whole lot of the changes appear to really effect the fun parts of the trail. The only part I am really concerned about is the changes to the real steep portions of the Columbine Ranch section (the part you drop into if you go clockwise). These changes could be severe if we don't provide enough feedback on what we would like.
    3. The most important thing we can try to do as riders is build a united front of support for the Walker/Eldorado Canyon link. This is still a far off connector but if the public really turns up the heat maybe things will start to move.

    if you support my view I have started a facebook page https://www.facebook.com/DontSanitizeWalkerRanch
    Please like this page if you want your voice to be heard. But be aware this is not a page to bash BMA or Boulder County Open Space, we are shooting for advocacy here

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    Walker is one of the only fun trails I've found here so far. I will be moving out of Colorado if all the trails turn into Centennial Cone. I only moved here for MTB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inkpad View Post
    Same thing is happening here in Fort Collins. Already this year a few of the best challenging sections of a few different trails have been replaced with 4' wide dirt paths & nearly un-ridable switchbacks What was once a very fun, 30-50' technical section of trail is now 100 ' long boring path.

    Boo
    Just out of curiosity, what sections have changed up there? Haven't ridden up there all year, used to be my backyard trails. Also liked the more rugged nature of trails there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stapes View Post
    Just out of curiosity, what sections have changed up there? Haven't ridden up there all year, used to be my backyard trails. Also liked the more rugged nature of trails there too.
    So far, Sawmill, when you used to drop in the rooty, rocky section on the side hill, that was changed to a slight uphill, 4' wide dirt path to two, 90 degree switchbacks that are near impossible to roll through they are so tight (read, no flow), then when you get out of that section, right after the 1st stairs (which are also smoothed out) the rest of the trail turns into the same, 4' wide dirt path, & yes, you guessed it, multiple tight turns.

    Also, if you ever dropped into Westridge from the towers, the hardest section IMO, the rocky, steep left switchback towards the top was also removed, & yes, guessed it again, with a 4' wide dirt path, complete with a turn you have to almost nose pivot to get around. Maxwell has been slowly getting sanitized, as is Shoreline & Michaud.

    Too bad really .

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgm View Post
    Walker is one of the only fun trails I've found here so far.
    Apparently you haven't ridden Hall Ranch then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    Apparently you haven't ridden Hall Ranch then.
    Nor Little Raven, South Saint Vrain, Sourdough or some of the stuff around Jamestown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post
    Nor Little Raven, South Saint Vrain, Sourdough or some of the stuff around Jamestown.
    I think all the Ned stuff is fun but its not the same as the big coroner drifts and rock skipping at XXX speed that you can get at Walker. Caribou has a couple of lines that allow some real speed but most of the Forest Service riding is more XCish tight stuff or is so rocky that you just get beet. Little Raven if fast but not sustained and Yeah SSV has some techy stuff but you never get the speed that you can get at Walker.

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    ^^ I can't and won't disagree with that.

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    Hall Ranch is fun but almost too techy to get speed. Definitely fun, but a bit more pick & choose, where as that one Walker descent if you're going...clockwise? (Going up the stairs) is wicked. I guess I will just wait to ride the brake bumped out Resorts in the summer. Sad.

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    Jesse Rounds over at Boulder County Openspace wants to hear feedback from Mountain bikers regarding the proposed changes to Walker Ranch, you can see those changes here: https://www.facebook.com/DontSanitizeWalkerRanch

    Please use this link to submit your comments:
    Walker Ranch Management Plan

    Click the comment form tab and enter your info and your hopes and dreams for the future of Walker Ranch. It take just a couple of minutes and will really help to get the message to BCOS that we want to keep Walker as an advanced trail.

    Here is my comment if you want to just copy and paste:

    Hi Jesse,
    The number one priority of the Walker Ranch management plan update should be to focus all efforts and monetary resources into connecting Walker Ranch to Eldorado Canyon. All resources should be focused on this effort and not on changes or improvements to the current Walker Ranch trail system or facilities. The Walker/Eldo connection is the link that will jumpstart the development of a much broader regional trail network, but until this piece is in place efforts to build a regional system will be bogged down. I don't want to see any of the current trails at Walker Ranch closed or altered. The current trails have proved to be sustainable after 20 years of use and I feel it is a waste of resources to try and modify these great trails for no real reason. If trail changes are a necessary mandate of the new management plan then BCOS should look at developing secondary alignments parallel to the current alignment that are shown to be 're-routed' in the BCOS trail plan map. With alternate 'less technical' alignments users can choose to bypass technical sections, yet all current alignments will remain as part of the trail system. This approach is a win-win because mountain bikers get the technical trails they want, while BCOS sees less use on the erodible sections of trail, and opens the park to more users. Additional because the new alignments are so close to the current aliments, issues regarding habitat fragmentation and over development of wilderness areas are avoided. This concept has already been used at Walker Ranch and should be the new management plan of Walker Ranch.

    Thanks

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