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    Strava bust

    I caught a Strava user gunning for QOM (yes, female). During the uphill segments, she was polite enough. On the downhill segments, she cruised off trail to keep her pace going and didn't yield to more than half of the uphill riders (two of which are friends of mine).

    So, do I:
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    Sounds like she passed your whole group on the climb. That can be a little hard to take.

    I love strava. It's like racing, but fun.

    Strava dorks need to yield. Riding off trail to avoid yielding is unacceptable. But a public shaming seems a little overboard. I say post the segment but not the picture.

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    Other: Send her a dildo. B/C that's roughly 3x what this thread is worth.

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    what's strava?

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    I love strava, and not for the competitive aspect. I'm a map nerd and strava provides near epic amounts of data overlay-ed on to a map.
    disclosure complete.

    I say let it go. The only way this will ever be solved is through more trails, directional trails or wider trails.
    The bottom line is that our trails are crowded, and on the downhill portions of a trail, that means repeatedly getting off your bike.
    On busy day out at Marshal Mesa, I yielded no fewer than a dozen times in less than a mile. (for those familiar with area, it was the section of trail from the top of springbrook to the "T" intersection while doing the loop in the CCW direction.) that section when empty takes less than 2 or 3 minutes, when yielding on busy day 15 minutes or more.

    so before flaming me, I get it. I get that we should yield, i get that we want to keep our single track narrow, etc, etc...

    but the problem isn't going to be solved by posting signs on trails (which are ugly) or by out people on the internet. It will be solved by more trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
    what's strava?
    apparently the single best way to piss off a front range mountain cyclist.

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    I'm going to run with popular opinion. I hate throwing fellow riders under the bus. My group wasn't together. One guy later inquired about me on facebook (Hey, I think I saw you on the trail), the other was a neighbor that was 40 minutes behind me that I happened to connect with on my way down.

    I like Strava, its a great way to measure yourself. But I do see where it can tempt you to make some bonehead moves to make some goals.

    I was using Strava this morning, gunning for some personal bests but made sure I yielded to all hikers/bikers/runners. The temptation to 'go around' is definitely there. Although I did a record deraileur hanger change out when under pressure.
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    The other debate to this, is how do we get her to change her behavior so she won't be the bad apple in our crate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure View Post
    The other debate to this, is how do we get her to change her behavior so she won't be the bad apple in our crate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
    what's strava?
    Word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
    what's strava?
    We've covered this: Documenting the Undocumented

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    I think you are just wondering why you got smoked by a girl out there today.

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    The TDF is using Strava on it's live broadcast, so it must be o.k., right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dose View Post
    I think you are just wondering why you got smoked by a girl out there today.
    that's what it sounds like from here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
    what's strava?
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    It has nothing to do with Strava. If someone is being a bonehead, it's a good idea to call them out. We mtbr'ers are the type of people who know better and can save trail access for everyone, by helping out.
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    In the poll, I voted for the PM on Strava.

    Now that I think about it more, I'm gonna go with the ever popular response to threads like these:
    Why didn't anyone actually call her out right then and there - on the trail? Instead of complaining about it on the internet???


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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure View Post
    I caught a Strava user gunning for QOM (yes, female). During the uphill segments, she was polite enough. On the downhill segments, she cruised off trail to keep her pace going and didn't yield to more than half of the uphill riders (two of which are friends of mine).

    So, do I:

    Was this LOTB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilburKookmeyer View Post
    I love strava, and not for the competitive aspect. I'm a map nerd and strava provides near epic amounts of data overlay-ed on to a map.
    disclosure complete.

    I say let it go. The only way this will ever be solved is through more trails, directional trails or wider trails.
    The bottom line is that our trails are crowded, and on the downhill portions of a trail, that means repeatedly getting off your bike.
    On busy day out at Marshal Mesa, I yielded no fewer than a dozen times in less than a mile. (for those familiar with area, it was the section of trail from the top of springbrook to the "T" intersection while doing the loop in the CCW direction.) that section when empty takes less than 2 or 3 minutes, when yielding on busy day 15 minutes or more.

    so before flaming me, I get it. I get that we should yield, i get that we want to keep our single track narrow, etc, etc...

    but the problem isn't going to be solved by posting signs on trails (which are ugly) or by out people on the internet. It will be solved by more trails.
    Shall you snap your fingers and make more trail appear or should I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj View Post
    It has nothing to do with Strava.
    Keep telling yourself that while someone rips by you off trail yelling STRAVA!

    Simple reality is Strava has brought the worst cultural parts of the roadie crowd onto the trails.

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    People often joke about users yelling "Strava!" - but do people actually do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    Strava has brought the worst cultural parts of the roadie crowd onto the trails.
    So true, and one more reason to feel sorry for roadies.

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    Onanism transcends all demographics and takes precedence over common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WesInGolden View Post
    Was this LOTB?
    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    People often joke about users yelling "Strava!" - but do people actually do that?
    unfortunately.

    Hot Strava...awesomeness or Evil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogbie View Post
    Onanism transcends all demographics and takes precedence over common sense.
    Onanism | Define Onanism at Dictionary.com

    Errrr.. . nevermind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Shall you snap your fingers and make more trail appear or should I?
    There's a better way...



    Quote Originally Posted by rogbie View Post
    Onanism transcends all demographics and takes precedence over common sense.
    So, let's use Conanism to rid the trail of the stravegotists.


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    Ridden by ?????? at 06:40am on Saturday, 06/23/2012 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilburKookmeyer View Post
    I love strava, and not for the competitive aspect. I'm a map nerd and strava provides near epic amounts of data overlay-ed on to a map.
    disclosure complete.

    I say let it go. The only way this will ever be solved is through more trails, directional trails or wider trails.
    The bottom line is that our trails are crowded, and on the downhill portions of a trail, that means repeatedly getting off your bike.
    On busy day out at Marshal Mesa, I yielded no fewer than a dozen times in less than a mile. (for those familiar with area, it was the section of trail from the top of springbrook to the "T" intersection while doing the loop in the CCW direction.) that section when empty takes less than 2 or 3 minutes, when yielding on busy day 15 minutes or more.

    so before flaming me, I get it. I get that we should yield, i get that we want to keep our single track narrow, etc, etc...

    but the problem isn't going to be solved by posting signs on trails (which are ugly) or by out people on the internet. It will be solved by more trails.
    So you don't like busy trails and you don't like trails getting blown out, but you like posting the lesser known goods on Strava to increase usage?

    I'm sure there's someone out there just itching to build some more trail for you to advertise to a website full of folks like the OP posted about.

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    kookmeyer is really kookin' it up

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post

    So, let's use Conanism to rid the trail of the stravegotists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    Keep telling yourself that while someone rips by you off trail yelling STRAVA!

    Simple reality is Strava has brought the worst cultural parts of the roadie crowd onto the trails.
    not saying that Strava isn't creating more boneheads, it is. Just saying calling out a bonehead is a Strava free decision.
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    Burn her ass and make an example out of her. People are going to continue doing this dumb @$$ stuff because they think it's "cool".

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure View Post
    I'm going to run with popular opinion. I hate throwing fellow riders under the bus. My group wasn't together. One guy later inquired about me on facebook (Hey, I think I saw you on the trail), the other was a neighbor that was 40 minutes behind me that I happened to connect with on my way down.

    I like Strava, its a great way to measure yourself. But I do see where it can tempt you to make some bonehead moves to make some goals.

    I was using Strava this morning, gunning for some personal bests but made sure I yielded to all hikers/bikers/runners. The temptation to 'go around' is definitely there. Although I did a record deraileur hanger change out when under pressure.
    IE - Trying not to be a smart ass for a second.. I have to say I'm surprised to see riders such as yourself and FT, who intimately know the politics of trail access, using Strava.

    The entire concept of Strava is directly contrary to responsible use of multi-use bi-directional trails. You can't maintain the best KOM while yielding to other users. So even if seasoned riders such as you guys can resist the urge to be a Stravahole, you know damned well that others won't, and there's no way you're going to be able to educate these jackholes as fast as Strava can create them. In reality, if you're uploading Strava tracks on multi-use trails, you're helping to create more of the folks you just posted about, so I fail to see how you can complain about them..?

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    To the OP - Post up the culprit...

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    KOM schmayOM don't care who comes down a hill faster (cheating off trail or not) though I would care if someone bites it and gets seriously injured as the result of their own stupidity or takes out a bystander in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    In my twisted ideal world: I root for a deer running in parallel downhill, pulling a krazy Ivan and T-boning her at 90 degrees.

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    I think I'm with IE on this one. I like Strava, but in no way should it ever trump the rules of the trail and common sense. If I'm feeling good on a Strava segment and there is no one in sight, I might crank up the pace a bit just for kicks. As soon as I come upon another trail user however, I abandon any notion of turning a KOM or personal best -- and I'm OK with that. If I really wanted a KOM that bad I would hit the trail at 5 AM on a Tuesday.

    Ignorant boneheads who are single-minded about gunning for the KOM without respect for other trail users need to be called out. The question is how. I would try PMing them first on Strava just to guage their response. Then I would result in calling them out if they ignored me or gave an a$$hat reply.
    Ok, here's the deal. I have a hangover. Who knows what that means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fcrider View Post
    I think I'm with IE on this one. I like Strava, but in no way should it ever trump the rules of the trail and common sense. If I'm feeling good on a Strava segment and there is no one in sight, I might crank up the pace a bit just for kicks. As soon as I come upon another trail user however, I abandon any notion of turning a KOM or personal best -- and I'm OK with that.
    You're talking about the same user group that will hold up a line of cars 50 deep just to feed their need assert their "rights". I'm sure when they get on trails though that consideration for others is a first priority.

    Trying to pretend that Strava isn't significantly increasing the ******bag factor in mountainbiking is delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    IE - Trying not to be a smart ass for a second.. I have to say I'm surprised to see riders such as yourself and FT, who intimately know the politics of trail access, using Strava.

    The entire concept of Strava is directly contrary to responsible use of multi-use bi-directional trails. You can't maintain the best KOM while yielding to other users. So even if seasoned riders such as you guys can resist the urge to be a Stravahole, you know damned well that others won't, and there's no way you're going to be able to educate these jackholes as fast as Strava can create them. In reality, if you're uploading Strava tracks on multi-use trails, you're helping to create more of the folks you just posted about, so I fail to see how you can complain about them..?
    I had to think long and hard about this, and I'm honestly a bit surprised my name got drug into this. But I'm also even moar surprised that I didn't get any reaction for my "Donkey Punch" comment earlier , so there's that.

    First of all, I think some clarification of "the entire concept of Strava" is needed here. In your argument, it seems that your perception of Strava is that it is all about chasing the fastest time on any trail, at any time, under any conditions, and that this goal or "concept" is universally accepted and embraced by all of Strava's users. I'm going to put it out to you that for myself, for IE, and for 99% of the users on Strava, this is not the case. The "urge to resist becoming a Strav@ssh0les" is the standard, not the other way around. While the leaderboards and KOM/QOM aspect of Strava is what is making the news right now, the OTHER features of Strava are far more useful to the average user and I think that's what attracts people to the site. For instance: many trail systems can be ridden in a variety of ways, combining different bits of trail into different rides in the same general area. By tracking segments, you don't have to always ride Apex Park in the same way to be able to compare YOUR OWN TIMES on specific climbs or descents. I also think that "the average user" is most concerned with comparing their times to 2 specific sets: 1.) themselves and 2.) their main riding companions. I firmly believe that most (99%) of riders who want to improve their riding will compare themselves to these 2 sets, regardless of using Strava or not. And in doing so, the average user is NOT going to jeopardize themselves or others safety to become a better mountain biker.

    Second, you're entire argument (from what I can tell) is based on the assumption that the Stava model is CREATING said bad behavior, which I disagree with. I concede that the idea of chasing a top time on a multi-use trail will encourage a certain type of person to behave recklessly, but that person would be just as likely to display similar behavior whether or not they use Strava. Even before Strava, every week there were 37 new threads about some jack@ss that runs someone off a trail somewhere in the metro area. Remember the threads that seemed to pop up every fall about the "kid in the yellow skate lid on a black dirtjump stype hardtail" who literally ran hikers and uphill traffic off of Chimney Gulch? That was a couple years before Strava. My point is jack@sses are going to behave like jack@sses—regardless of some new internet fad.

    Third, if I am truly "in reality... helping to create more (irresponsible trail users)" by uploading Strava tracks for multi-use trails, then you're right I should stop doing that. However, I just don't think this is the case, see my response above. Now, by uploading my tracks of multi-use trails am I encouraging people who are already pre-disposed to d0uchebaggery, asshattery, and general poor behavior to act like total fvcking @ssclowns on the trail? I'm not sure, honestly. I'll have to give that some moar seriouser thought.

    I personally think the most efficacious method for discouraging bad behavior is to confront the perpetrator at the time of the incident. If someone is bombing down a trail and blasts off into the grass so as not to slow down, call 'em out. I do, without question, all the time, and for years before Strava existed. Does it help? Fvck if I know, but I hope it does.

    As for me personally complaining (on the internet or elsewhere) about people acting irresponsibly on the trails? I don't know that I do that. At least, I try not to complain about someone or something I saw on a trail that I didn't attempt to reconcile at the time. And if I DON'T say something to an irresponsible trail user on trail, much of my post-incident complaining comes in the form of "I really should have said something to that @sshat." I sure hope my recent story about the uphill rider not yielding to me while riding in a DOWNHILL RACE, during my race run, was not taken as 'complaining'...

    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    You're talking about the same user group that will hold up a line of cars 50 deep just to feed their need assert their "rights". I'm sure when they get on trails though that consideration for others is a first priority.
    I have no idea what you're going on about with this one.

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    Trying to pretend that Strava isn't significantly increasing the ******bag factor in mountainbiking is delusional.
    While you may think I'm delusional, I don't agree. The 37 threads in the Front Range forum claiming that they saw someone "Strava-ing" or whatever are simply replacing the 37 threads posted every week about "riders not yielding", not adding to them. It's just now anytime someone doesn't yield to another user, Strava is the scapegoat. The behavior existed before Strava, and will exist when it's gone. Blaming Strava for creating @ssholes in this world is like blaming Al Gore for global warming. If anything, I'll throw it out there that maybe Strava is making it easier to pinpoint the a$$clowns not yeilding to others after the fact. Someone goes blowing by you on a descent that you're climbing and almost knocks your girlfriend over in the process, but you don't know who it is and they're gone too quickly to say anything? Sh!t man, just look it up on Strava! Most users on there not only use their real names and upload a picture of themselves, they often fill out a profile that show what bikes they own/ride. It's like traffic cameras for the Front Range trails! Wooooo!




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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    You're talking about the same user group that will hold up a line of cars 50 deep just to feed their need assert their "rights". I'm sure when they get on trails though that consideration for others is a first priority.
    Errr, no I'm not. Let's not turn this into a roadie vs. mountain biker debate. It's not. There are bad apples in any user group. And I don't think your comparison is legit.

    We're talking about someone who is hell bent on bagging a KOM on a single track mountain bike trail. You are referring to someone who is hell bent on protecting a little slice of asphalt so they can act out their passive agressive fantasies against society.
    Ok, here's the deal. I have a hangover. Who knows what that means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fcrider View Post
    Errr, no I'm not. Let's not turn this into a roadie vs. mountain biker debate. It's not. There are bad apples in any user group. And I don't think your comparison is legit.

    We're talking about someone who is hell bent on bagging a KOM on a single track mountain bike trail. You are referring to someone who is hell bent on protecting a little slice of asphalt so they can act out their passive agressive fantasies against society.
    Oh, THAT'S what he was going on about. I don't feel smart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Trucker View Post
    I had to think long and hard about this, and I'm honestly a bit surprised my name got drug into this. But I'm also even moar surprised that I didn't get any reaction for my "Donkey Punch" comment earlier , so there's that.

    First of all, I think some clarification of "the entire concept of Strava" is needed here. In your argument, it seems that your perception of Strava is that it is all about chasing the fastest time on any trail, at any time, under any conditions, and that this goal or "concept" is universally accepted and embraced by all of Strava's users. I'm going to put it out to you that for myself, for IE, and for 99% of the users on Strava, this is not the case. The "urge to resist becoming a Strav@ssh0les" is the standard, not the other way around.
    So.. many... words. But I think the above portion is the crux of it.

    First - your name only got drug in as an experienced rider that i know uses Strava. Not meaning to imply you are partaking in internet complainery... and if you did it would likely be entertainingly full of sarcastic humor.

    Back to the point. I believe your 99% statistic to be drastically incorrect. No where near that % of riders are responsible in a normal rider distribution so I'd think we can safely assume that mixing in a competitive element is not increasing those odds.

    Here's my take:
    1) The Strava K/QOM concept is contrary to responsible use of public multiuse trail. As shown by the OP's post, some percentage of users will cave to the leaderboard incentive. As we've seen, it only takes a few jackholes to give the hiker/horsey set plenty to complain about and jeopardize trail access.

    2) The Kookiebird approach of publishing every trail they can find, social or otherwise, also does us zero favors, for reasons I know I don't need to explain to you guys.

    So, here we have a tool with two potential negatives for our sport, and what does it do in the positive? Nothing but feed a few egos.

    I admit, the concept is fun, but not worth even a small risk of jeopardizing trail access. Racing is for racecourses, not public trail.

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    The only way to keep trails open is for responsible riding--and part of that is yielding. There are only two good reasons in my book why someone flying downhill should not yield---the first is that something, either a bear, an avalanche or fire is bearing down on you and you are running for your life (and you better be shouting "run for your life" for those you pass). The second is if someone is critically hurt and you are going for immediate help. Using a time-event such as Strava as an excuse doesn't rank. Not even close. O.K.--if someone is playing Justin Bieber really loud further up the trailhead may qualify too--I haven't though about that, but you get the drift.

    Be polite on the trail--everyone has a right to be there. And if some of us go out of the way to defend that right, don't be surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    So you don't like busy trails and you don't like trails getting blown out, but you like posting the lesser known goods on Strava to increase usage?

    I'm sure there's someone out there just itching to build some more trail for you to advertise to a website full of folks like the OP posted about.
    In the last 5 years I have personal built and maintained close to 20 miles of trail and spent countless hours and well over 2 grand of my own money on trail building materials, not including the expense associated with getting to and from trail building sites.

    I have actively encouraged the use of those trails to off load the traffic from other more popular trails and have never kept my trail building activities secret.

    so please quite with the accusations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilburKookmeyer View Post
    In the last 5 years I have personal built and maintained close to 20 miles of trail and spent countless hours and well over 2 grand of my own money on trail building materials, not including the expense associated with getting to and from trail building sites.

    I have actively encouraged the use of those trails to off load the traffic from other more popular trails and have never kept my trail building activities secret.

    so please quite with the accusations.
    What accusations? Just pointed out the conflict in your own statements.

    And I call BS on the rest Cali boy. See, now that's an accusation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    What accusations? Just pointed out the conflict in your own statements.

    And I call BS on the rest Cali boy. See, now that's an accusation.
    whatever floats your boat

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    So.. many... words. But I think the above portion is the crux of it.

    First - your name only got drug in as an experienced rider that i know uses Strava. Not meaning to imply you are partaking in internet complainery... and if you did it would likely be entertainingly full of sarcastic humor.

    Back to the point. I believe your 99% statistic to be drastically incorrect. No where near that % of riders are responsible in a normal rider distribution so I'd think we can safely assume that mixing in a competitive element is not increasing those odds.

    Here's my take:
    1) The Strava K/QOM concept is contrary to responsible use of public multiuse trail. As shown by the OP's post, some percentage of users will cave to the leaderboard incentive. As we've seen, it only takes a few jackholes to give the hiker/horsey set plenty to complain about and jeopardize trail access.

    2) The Kookiebird approach of publishing every trail they can find, social or otherwise, also does us zero favors, for reasons I know I don't need to explain to you guys.

    So, here we have a tool with two potential negatives for our sport, and what does it do in the positive? Nothing but feed a few egos.

    I admit, the concept is fun, but not worth even a small risk of jeopardizing trail access. Racing is for racecourses, not public trail.
    I do tend to go on and on... No stress on bringing my name up, I kinda figured your reasoning was just that, and I do appreciate the humor comment.

    Your take does make sense, but the only thing I think we really disagree on is how much this Strava phenomenon is actually playing a part. Apex trail useage was revoked long before Strava, the Hidden Gems initiative was way before Strava, etc. How much will Strava contribute to this? More or less than Garmin Connect? Map My Ride? Other online route trackers? It does only take precious few @sshats to actually put trail access in jeopardy. Your point is made, without question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Trucker View Post
    I do tend to go on and on... No stress on bringing my name up, I kinda figured your reasoning was just that, and I do appreciate the humor comment.

    Your take does make sense, but the only thing I think we really disagree on is how much this Strava phenomenon is actually playing a part. Apex trail useage was revoked long before Strava, the Hidden Gems initiative was way before Strava, etc. How much will Strava contribute to this? More or less than Garmin Connect? Map My Ride? Other online route trackers? It does only take precious few @sshats to actually put trail access in jeopardy. Your point is made, without question.
    Your ability to be moar funnier is well known.

    I'll acquiesce that Strava isn't manufacturing @sshats en-mass, but I think it does give those on the fence (or with a lack of history and knowledge) a strong kick in the wrong direction. If it can even tempt a guy like IE, a mature, well recognized contributor to the sport, then imagine what it does for a 16 year old brimming with testosterone and a smartphone.. especially when they see KOM times posted from known moar-faster dudes like yourself as an endorsement. Food for more thinkin's.

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