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    So, hypothetically, now could be a not so bad time to....

    ride a bike in a Wilderness area? I mean, theoretically speaking of course, if one had a certain place where they were not normally allowed to ride because of government restrictions, but there was no one to enforce those restrictions, they might see this as a chance to ride in that place. Right? (our local ranger district has closed down indefinitely)

    Not that I personally would ever do such a thing, nor could I think of a single place where I would want to ride illegally....

    But just trying to find an upside to the whole government shut down thing.

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    Now could not be so bad a time to remember the Sedona 5.

    The Sedona 's 5's Excellent Adventure - Page 1 - News - Phoenix - Phoenix New Times


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    Quote Originally Posted by ameybrook View Post
    Now could not be so bad a time to remember the Sedona 5.

    The Sedona 's 5's Excellent Adventure - Page 1 - News - Phoenix - Phoenix New Times
    Great story, but a National Park, I'm talking about Wilderness areas. Either way, not saying that it's a great idea, but it is an idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bipolarbear View Post
    Great story, but a National Park, I'm talking about Wilderness areas. Either way, not saying that it's a great idea, but it is an idea.
    Well, people do what they will but your post illustrates why a lot of the people who lots of MTBers say are "haters" think MTBers are not trustworthy or legitimate partners to work with on land management issues or why we need cops in the first place "these guys wont respect the rules without adult supervision" and that sort of thing.

    Oh yeah, and Forest Service LEOs are still on the job. I'm not sure about this but since Wilderness Rangers are also (among other things) LEOs, they might still be on the job too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bipolarbear View Post
    ...not saying that it's a great idea, but it is an idea.
    I recall a saying from the movie Sunshine, "...this is a **** idea! This is a really **** idea!" ~ Capa
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    Have you ever seen anyone (besides the wilderness sign) enforcing a wilderness boundary? I haven't...

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    One part of me wants to be a good mountain biker and hope that there is a better relationship with the authorities that be in the future, preferably before I'm too old to ride. The other "Sedona 5" part of me thinks this will never happen and might as well be the rebels everyone thinks we are and just poach away. If more and more trails/areas are closed off like the recent Pike NF closers I would expect poaching to increase. If there is no easy access for people to ride their bikes in the woods poaching will be there.

    So for now I'll be a good little mountain biker and follow big daddy's rules in hopes that our relationships are getting better unless one of you has a big bag of shrooms and weed than maybe I'll change my mind!

    I just hope the local trails open up soon and access to them.
    I'm bored and at work or else I would be riding

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    Quote Originally Posted by ingluis View Post
    Have you ever seen anyone (besides the wilderness sign) enforcing a wilderness boundary? I haven't...
    I saw USFS folks in the Maroon Bells-Snowmass Wilderness once on a hike up Horsethief Gulch.

    Honestly, I don't know of any trails in Wilderness in Colorado that would be that much fun on a bike. Elsewhere maybe, other states... but not any I know of in CO.

    I think the arbitrary moratorium on bikes in Wilderness is wrong and I'd like to see it changed, but poaching them while that moratorium is in place isn't going to help the cause. IMBA lobbies pretty hard to challenge the idea that Wilderness == No Bikes. Things could change, but pissing off the land managers while they are home not being paid probably could make some people pretty hot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ingluis View Post
    Have you ever seen anyone (besides the wilderness sign) enforcing a wilderness boundary? I haven't...
    Don't know about where you live but in the Gore on hiking and backpacking excursions I've seen rangers patrolling the trails. I know for fact that more than a few people have been ticketed (and had their front wheels confiscated and held till they paid their fine or went through the court) for riding bikes in the Eagles Nest.

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    I am in no way advocating for this... but getting into the Weiminuche north of Durango would be amazing. Purgatory to Vallecito Lake would be the first ride I'd do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Well, people do what they will but your post illustrates why a lot of the people who lots of MTBers say are "haters" think MTBers are not trustworthy or legitimate partners to work with on land management issues or why we need cops in the first place "these guys wont respect the rules without adult supervision" and that sort of thing.
    I think you should give parks workers more credit than that. Most of them have real world experience showing hikers are most often the violators of any closure. Bike riders are a pretty good group overall and good to work with IMHO.

    The bad boy image is media hype/advertising the hikers use against us. Yeah, there are people in parks with political agendas will use it against bikes too, but I never really saw damage from bikes that wasn't started first by hikers.

    Centennial Cone is a perfect example. Every time I go past the closure I see footprints leading in, not tire tracks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Don't know about where you live but in the Gore on hiking and backpacking excursions I've seen rangers patrolling the trails. I know for fact that more than a few people have been ticketed (and had their front wheels confiscated and held till they paid their fine or went through the court) for riding bikes in the Eagles Nest.
    Interesting. I've never needed a ranger to stop me from riding wilderness areas, however arbitrary that law might be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ameybrook View Post
    Now could not be so bad a time to remember the Sedona 5.

    The Sedona 's 5's Excellent Adventure - Page 1 - News - Phoenix - Phoenix New Times
    what about the many untold stories of those who did it, and got away with it. We may never know their harrowing tales.
    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    what about the many untold stories of those who did it, and got away with it. We may never know their harrowing tales.
    You've convinced me, I'll gopro it and post my excursions when I'm finished. I'm sure I'll be fine.

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    Don't forget to Strava it. That'd be a KOM to have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
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    Honestly, I don't know of any trails in Wilderness in Colorado that would be that much fun on a bike. Elsewhere maybe, other states... but not any I know of in CO.
    Your lack of imagination disappoints me... there are $HITLOADS of Wilderness trails that would simply be fantastic to ride...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    ... there are $HITLOADS of Wilderness trails that would simply be fantastic to ride...

    ^^^
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    I, for one, would love to ride the Rough 'n Tumbling creek loop in the Buffalo Peaks Wilderness. I've backpacked it, but think it would make a great XC trail.

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    [QUOTE=TomP;10721142
    Honestly, I don't know of any trails in Wilderness in Colorado that would be that much fun on a bike. Elsewhere maybe, other states... but not any I know of in CO.

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    Not having to detour 6 times around wilderness on the CT would be awesome. Especially the Lost Creek wilderness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ameybrook View Post
    I am in no way advocating for this... but getting into the Weiminuche north of Durango would be amazing. Purgatory to Vallecito Lake would be the first ride I'd do.
    I've never let the wilderness designation stop me - I've hiked and backpacked it several times. Didn't really miss my bike either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    I've never let the wilderness designation stop me - I've hiked and backpacked it several times. Didn't really miss my bike either.
    Sanctimonious much?

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    And...went through a completely arbitrary closure to hike Little Beaver and Fish Creek trails in the Comanche Peak wilderness...great "wilderness" BTW with the power lines, old double track, and cow evidence...these trails would be awesome to bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3rb View Post
    Sanctimonious much?
    +1 that dude does nothing on here but hate on mtn bikers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Honestly, I don't know of any trails in Wilderness in Colorado that would be that much fun on a bike. Elsewhere maybe, other states... but not any I know of in CO.
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    DOW, and USFS Rangers are out looking for hunters, fall isn't the best time to poach wilderness, mid summer, in the long evening, with lights to back up, would be my choice.

    Hypothetically, of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3rb View Post
    Sanctimonious much?
    Sanctimonious? Why is that statement sanctimonious? I simply stated that I have very much enjoyed the Weminuche and other wilderness areas without my bike. As much as I love riding my bikes - I've got a little more than 3000 miles in on my MTB this year - I'm not joined at the hip to it. I can enjoy the outdoors by other means than just my bike(s).

    A lot of people do enjoy traveling by both wheels and their feet and don't feel the need to ride a bicycle everywhere and in fact feel it's a good thing that there are some places to go where bikes aren't allowed. That doesn't mean they're "haters". (A much overused and under thought word). It means they appreciate and enjoy different experiences for the different things they offer.

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    So, hypothetically, now could be a not so bad time to....

    A lot of people do enjoy traveling by both wheels and their feet and don't feel the need to ride a bicycle everywhere
    I much prefer to walk or hike a new area first before I ride it.
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    I've ridden in wilderness a bunch, it's been at least 15 years since I last did it.

    Not a big deal, just have a plan, it's pretty simple, it's not something you can just go out and do one day, if some liberal do gooder sees you your screwed, I could give you the low down on how I used to do it but I don't want to give away the goods.

    Not sure why I did it, I guess it was just for the fun of it. It almost got to be a regular thing at one point. then again me and the forest service have not seen eye to eye for a long time, I pretty happy ranger rick is sitting at home without a job to do right now, the guy was a total prick to me this summer

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    **** rolls downhill.

    lulz.

    This is the same logic some parts of any group use to justify poaching trails. Drop the myopic stance and enjoy the world through different means.

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    I like going for a walk in the woods with good company, but I HATE hiking mountains. Up is fine, but going down, all I can think of is how much fun this would be on a bike.

    The forest should be open for people to use, the way the prefer to use it as long as they are being polite, respectful and not destroying nature.

    99% of the time, a trail gets closed to OHV or MTB's and it's hikers and horses only. But guess what, no one ever uses those trails to hike or horse ride anyway. So the net effect is they've closed the trails and now all the legal trails are busier than ever, so there are more conflicts. Another great excuse to ban OHV and/or MTBs from those trails.

    It's perfectly OK to go shooting just about anywhere in the forest and leave a huge mess.
    It's perfectly OK to obliterate the trails with a horse, leaving pet waste everywhere.

    But somehow mountain bikes are not OK? That's just a Lot of BS that just doesn't add up.
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    I did always think that it was at least a little ironic that you can carry a gun (which is as mechanized as any modern device) into a Wilderness area, and shoot the very live animals who "enhance the Wilderness experience" that the Sierra Club would like to propose that they are protecting by keeping us terrible mountain bikers away. But hey, what are ya gonna do...


    Now as much as I would like to ride the whole Gore trail, or Lost Creek, or any number of other trails in Wilderness, I won't. But I can dream. I've hiked through them all, explored many off trail destinations, learned their secrets at a glacial walking pace, but damn it if I wasn't thinking about my bike much of the time. Especially when I have encountered fat folks of midwestern descent traveling all over the hills on excrement secreting equestrians who have no patience for myself or my dog who yes, is off leash. These folks are usually carrying a fishing pole, a compound bow, or a gun, waiting to take their bounty from the forest, not traveling under their own power, and using these mechanical tools to take home their prize of meat. On the other hand, I've not met many mountain bikers who desire much more than to simply travel under their own power and enjoy the scenery of a new trail, maybe off the beaten path, and challenge themselves to a simple day of traveling around the woods.

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    not entirely related to the premise of this thread but I thought this article (found through the book of faces):

    Why bicycles belong in Wilderness... on some trails, not all

    but this part piqued my interest...

    "The 1964 Wilderness Act did not ban bicycles from Wilderness; 1984 regulations did. "

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