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    So Evergreen looks good for

    the wife and I to relocate to. I know this topic has been touched on "briefly" by the forum but are we going to lose our minds trying to go skiing/boarding on the weekends via the I-70? I'm all ears on where to make some turns,
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    does this mean your changing your name to Gaper. J/K

    welcome, you could drive the peak to peak to eldora

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    Or just ski loveland! The BC has less people but that is getting worse also. I lived in Evergreen for 7 years and the drive to the mountains is bad on weekends compared to weekdays but doable. It's funny in the past few years it seems the weekend traffic is now Wed-Mon.

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    welcome, you could drive the peak to peak to eldora
    Hmmmm, do they have winter activities at this place you speek of......
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    Loveland looks interesting and if Google Maps is correct it would be about 48 miles away. So what do you think timewise for a typical Saturday trip ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gasper
    Loveland looks interesting and if Google Maps is correct it would be about 48 miles away. So what do you think timewise for a typical Saturday trip ?

    at best one hour, at worst 3 or more hours. Traffic can slow to a stop on bluebird days with dry roads for no reason. go figure

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    I lived in Evergreen for 2 years. Whereas the beauty of being in the mountains was nice, the traffic in and around the Evergreen area was the worst in the front range. If you're looking for cute mountain town living, you won't find much of it in Evergreen; its mostly rural area's very spread out. Most people are hermits and don't want to be bothered much, so not much social structure (some, but not much).

    As for close skiing. You need to be very near the I-70 corridor. If you look up houses in Evergreen, most of the cheaper ones are based upon their commute to 285 or I-70. The farther back, the cheaper it gets. We found a nice starter home between Conifer and Evergreen for around 200k (1998 dollars). However, it was 20 minutes to I-70.

    There are places that are much closer and probably reasonably priced. If you're looking for a commute to Denver and the Ski Resorts (which is extremely popular), you should stick to Genessee, Bergen Park (its an evergreen address), or floyd hill. When adverse winter hits, its gonna be hell.

    BTW, be prepared to drive, drive and do more driving.... just a nature of the beast. More of the lower end (500 and below) homes are going up for sale due to the increase in gas prices (average commute to Downtown Denver is an hour). More affordable homes are poping up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gasper
    the wife and I to relocate to. I know this topic has been touched on "briefly" by the forum but are we going to lose our minds trying to go skiing/boarding on the weekends via the I-70? I'm all ears on where to make some turns,
    Gasper
    BTW, if you love traffic, 1-4 hour traffic jams up and down from the resorts, then I-70 on the weekends is for you!

    I do not like skiing much anymore, mostly due to the traffic that goes with the Denver mass commuting up for the weekend days. Not my thing. Go up on the weekdays, and now you've got it made!
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    I've lived here (Evergreen) for about 12 years now. all I will say is, if you don't have kids, consider living somewhere else. I'll have to agree with IndecentExposure - there's not much of a social structure here unless you're involved with the schools and therefore "forced" into some community participation.

    you'll find that a lot of the folks 'round here only come out of the hills for bullets & tobacco. of course the other end of the spectrum is well represented too - those who are only seasonal Evergreen residents and spend the rest of their time jet setting around the world to any of their many vacation homes.

    oh, and don't get me started on the mountain lions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyleCrumbstorm
    I've lived here (Evergreen) for about 12 years now. all I will say is, if you don't have kids, consider living somewhere else. I'll have to agree with IndecentExposure - there's not much of a social structure here unless you're involved with the schools and therefore "forced" into some community participation.
    I would say "If you have kids, don't consider living in Evergreen". We have many friends in Evergreen with kids, and all they do is drive them down here (Golden, Denver, etc) for activities. Plus its hard for the younger kiddo's to get with their friends.

    We moved to Golden because of the driving-kiddo-social structure (amoungst the fact that we can Bike more, climb more, and have the same commute to the mountains).
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    Man, I grew up in Conifer, Evergreen's poorer little brother, and I loved it. I would have hated living in the city. Heck, I hate it now. I'd rather be back there, or even further west.

    As a foothills kid find ways to meet with friends and your "activities" are usually the very things that you folks here call your "hobbies". I remember mountain biking wasn't a hobby back then, it was the tool you used to transverse the game trails to get to your buddy's house in the next housing group over... which ironically enough took the same amount of time by car as it did trail riding through the woods. Not to mention that your hangout spot was the rock outcropping at the top of the local hilltop. Trees were ladders to the sky or the framework for forts. Those were the days.

    I hope to give my kids the same experience of growing up in the hills away from the city.
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    believe it or not I had the same experience growing up in the oakland hills, Of course mountain bikes didn't really exist then so we rode BMX. Those were the days.

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    i would second the golden suggestion..

    I live in nw denver and i am in the process of trying to find a house in golden. my biggest issue is that my immediate neighborhood lacks kids for my kids to play with and that is just kind of luck of the draw i guess..

    I think golden is a bit more of a tight community with more families (i work in golden as well), the schools are better (i teach) and of course the riding is better..

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    I'm with you guys on living in Evergreen that's why the wife and I left a few years back. It seems 90% of the time I was driving down to golden just to eat if I got out of work after 6pm. At the time I was in my late 20's and the social scene was zip. I worked and lived in Bergen Park which in the past few years is getting bigger but you still will be driving down the hill for most things. Golden would be my pick also.

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    I love it...

    Unlike the others, I live there and love it. I don't really care about a social stucture or "hanging out". I could care less about the bar scene, and since I work in Denver, I can stop in Golden and get whatever I need on the way home. I go Skiing early enough that the traffic doesn't catch me, and I leave early enough to fly back before it gets bad. I can get a 4 hour MTB ride (with 30 min of road in the middle) from my door. I can hike, snowshoe, or go skating within 5 min, and I'm 15 min from the interstate or morrison.

    I wouldn't trade it for anything. I lived in Golden for 6 years and enjoyed it as well, but I won't be heading back down anytime soon...
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    [QUOTE=used2Bhard]Unlike the others, I live there and love it. I don't really care about a social stucture or "hanging out". I could care less about the bar scene, and since I work in Denver, I can stop in Golden and get whatever I need on the way home. I go Skiing early enough that the traffic doesn't catch me, and I leave early enough to fly back before it gets bad. I can get a 4 hour MTB ride (with 30 min of road in the middle) from my door. I can hike, snowshoe, or go skating within 5 min, and I'm 15 min from the interstate or morrison.

    curious if you have kids?
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    Quote Originally Posted by used2Bhard
    Unlike the others, I live there and love it. I don't really care about a social stucture or "hanging out". I could care less about the bar scene, and since I work in Denver, I can stop in Golden and get whatever I need on the way home. I go Skiing early enough that the traffic doesn't catch me, and I leave early enough to fly back before it gets bad. I can get a 4 hour MTB ride (with 30 min of road in the middle) from my door. I can hike, snowshoe, or go skating within 5 min, and I'm 15 min from the interstate or morrison.

    I wouldn't trade it for anything. I lived in Golden for 6 years and enjoyed it as well, but I won't be heading back down anytime soon...

    And that is Evergreen in a nut shell and why the town is the way it is. I'm not about the bar scene myself but do like to hang out with people. Lots of people live in Evergreen and work down the hill so they just do the things they need to before they head back home. It's crazy I know many people that live in Evergreen and refuse to use home depot or wal-mart but when down the hill they use them LOL. People talk about the small town shops and how they like them but let me tell you it's bull. I ran a shop ski/outdoor for years that closed because the commuters would just shop down town after work.

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    Local Shops

    Quote Originally Posted by MBX5
    And that is Evergreen in a nut shell and why the town is the way it is. I'm not about the bar scene myself but do like to hang out with people. Lots of people live in Evergreen and work down the hill so they just do the things they need to before they head back home. It's crazy I know many people that live in Evergreen and refuse to use home depot or wal-mart but when down the hill they use them LOL. People talk about the small town shops and how they like them but let me tell you it's bull. I ran a shop ski/outdoor for years that closed because the commuters would just shop down town after work.

    I only buy from my LBS in Bergen, get all my food at Kings and Vitamin Cottage in Bergen, Buy my gas at the Bradley in Evergreen, Eat at Fiesta Jalisco way too much, get my coffee at the little stand next to the bank or Camp Grounds, Eat Breakfast downtown E-Green, buy all my home remodeling project needs at Home Depot off Evergreen Parkway, Pry my wife out of Walmart, work out in the Evergreen rec Centers, get my skis tuned at Mussers... Heck i even use the oil change places up there... I don't really think I am hurting the local economy...

    It's just nice to know that whatever you cannot get in town is on my way home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by used2Bhard
    It's just nice to know that whatever you cannot get in town is on my way home.
    Like hookers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by used2Bhard
    Unlike the others, I live there and love it. I don't really care about a social stucture or "hanging out". I could care less about the bar scene, and since I work in Denver, I can stop in Golden and get whatever I need on the way home. I go Skiing early enough that the traffic doesn't catch me, and I leave early enough to fly back before it gets bad. I can get a 4 hour MTB ride (with 30 min of road in the middle) from my door. I can hike, snowshoe, or go skating within 5 min, and I'm 15 min from the interstate or morrison.

    curious if you have kids?
    Yup, the little 3 yr old in my Avatar. Just starting Pre-School. We seem to have an infestation of 3 and 4 year olds on my street.

    I do feel there is a lack of community. Most people don't know their neighbors...or care to. I guess I found the same thing in Golden, Longmont, and In the Springs though. I'm an extravert, so I just talk to everybody. I amost feel like it's more a Colorado thing sometimes. I'm a native, and my wife is from Philly. She always comments on how antisocial it feels in CO compared to back east. I think it's a product of being a state full of transplants....How many families have lived in the same town 3 generations around here. some...but not many....
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    Lmao

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    Like hookers.

    Yup, they are a bit scarce up in the hills!
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    woops, I just reread my earlier post and it sounded like I was slightly dissing Evergreen. that was unintentional. Evergreen rocks!

    my kids have many friends here in Evergreen and we enjoy the lack of crime, pollution and traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gasper
    the wife and I to relocate to. I know this topic has been touched on "briefly" by the forum but are we going to lose our minds trying to go skiing/boarding on the weekends via the I-70? I'm all ears on where to make some turns,
    Gasper
    I do this almost every weekend and don't really see what the problem is. Get up early, beat the traffic, leave earlier than everyone else, and get home. If you are at Golden by 7am the 70 is not a problem.

    Of course, I am normally at work by 6:30am so getting up and leaving a little earlier is not a big deal.

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    [QUOTE=used2Bhard]
    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia

    Yup, the little 3 yr old in my Avatar. Just starting Pre-School. We seem to have an infestation of 3 and 4 year olds on my street.

    I do feel there is a lack of community. Most people don't know their neighbors...or care to. I guess I found the same thing in Golden, Longmont, and In the Springs though. I'm an extravert, so I just talk to everybody. I amost feel like it's more a Colorado thing sometimes. I'm a native, and my wife is from Philly. She always comments on how antisocial it feels in CO compared to back east. I think it's a product of being a state full of transplants....How many families have lived in the same town 3 generations around here. some...but not many....
    i want to live on your street.. i have a 3 1/2 year old and 6 year old..

    i really would like a neighborhood with a bit of community.. seems like everyone sits around inside all the time..drives me crazy..
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    Quote Originally Posted by used2Bhard
    I only buy from my LBS in Bergen, get all my food at Kings and Vitamin Cottage in Bergen, Buy my gas at the Bradley in Evergreen, Eat at Fiesta Jalisco way too much, get my coffee at the little stand next to the bank or Camp Grounds, Eat Breakfast downtown E-Green, buy all my home remodeling project needs at Home Depot off Evergreen Parkway, Pry my wife out of Walmart, work out in the Evergreen rec Centers, get my skis tuned at Mussers... Heck i even use the oil change places up there... I don't really think I am hurting the local economy...

    It's just nice to know that whatever you cannot get in town is on my way home.
    Wasn't trying to say you hurt the local economy. You my friend are not in the majority of local evergreen people supporting local shops. It's a great place to live for a mountain feel but yet close to Denver. You even said "I can stop in Golden and get whatever I need on the way home." Oh and how about the movie theater LOL what a joke. I worked at a shop that had high school kids for winter help and I know for a fact they drove or got rides down the hill every chance they could because of things to do. The outdoor rec. stuff is at your door but not everyone will want to do that all the time. Just trying to show the other side of things not trying to pick fight with you or other locals in Evegreen.

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    Yup

    Quote Originally Posted by MBX5
    Wasn't trying to say you hurt the local economy. You my friend are not in the majority of local evergreen people supporting local shops. It's a great place to live for a mountain feel but yet close to Denver. You even said "I can stop in Golden and get whatever I need on the way home." Oh and how about the movie theater LOL what a joke. I worked at a shop that had high school kids for winter help and I know for a fact they drove or got rides down the hill every chance they could because of things to do. The outdoor rec. stuff is at your door but not everyone will want to do that all the time. Just trying to show the other side of things not trying to pick fight with you or other locals in Evegreen.
    I understand what you were getting at. you do bring up a good point about the struggle of local stores. The place has changed alot in the past 3 years. All the existing shops are getting facelifts and the bigger chains are moving in. It reminds me of what happened to Golden in the mid to late 90's. The good news is that some of the local folks are doing better as the bigger chains move in. Since you can get everything you need I think it becomes less necessary to stop in Golden. It makes it more viable to stop at the local coffee shop/liquor store/LBS if you are at the newly remodled grocery store across the street, or at the just recently double sized Walmart buying what you had to get in town before.
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    Gasper,
    I don't know if you've been reading the posts, but without us front ranger's getting into some pissing match, what are your requirements? All you say is "close to skiing".

    Job; will you need to work in Denver?
    Kids; What's important?
    Biking?
    Short commute to work?
    Short commute to mountains?
    Want a Mountain town feel or a rural mountain living feel?
    Traffic?

    In my opinion, based on your first post, I suggest you should live in Vail Village (If skiing is your first requirement).
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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia
    i really would like a neighborhood with a bit of community.. seems like everyone sits around inside all the time..drives me crazy..

    Yeah, that my hood
    Nobody does jack. I've had several parties over the 3 or 4 years here. I always invite the locals....One neighbor showed up once, and had to get an escort out...never spoken to him since. Everybody else keeps to themselves (like Evergreen, but more compact)
    I never see anybody outside really, I hardly ever see anyone else out on bikes, and no one ever wants to hit the slopes.
    I take my dogs to play fetch in the 9F and snow, and someone calls animal control from their kitchen window whatever, just another warning. Never saw anyone that I could have bothered, and no one can talk to me. I'm really a nice guy.....

    All this talk of a community is really stirring my feelings of wanting to move. I dont want my kid(s) to grow up with a bunch of Nintendo playin fools. I want a lot of outdoor stuff goin on, with a bit of structure to it so it isn't a lot of work for them to have real fun.
    I have looked at Golden (a bunch), and I know a lot of you cats live there. Kinna worried about the future Beltway installation, though.

    Any other thoughts on neighborhoods with COMMUNITY
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    We spent 9 years living in the 'hood (west City Park) as it magically transmogrified itself into the increasingly attractive 'Uptown'. We met tons of neighbors while fixing up the yard, picking the beer cans out of the shrubs, renovating the house, etc. We really liked some of our neighbors. We really disliked some of our neighbors. We had 5 houses adjacent to ours along with a couple across the back alley and still more across the street, some multi-unit. We could walk to an ever-increasing selection of restaurants and coffee-shops, walk to City Park, and generally live the Vida Urbana.

    We recently moved to a more spacious lot still in the heart of Denver, but of higher income, ranch architecture and far less diversity. We've met a couple of the neighbors, but there's less going on out in front of the houses. We hope to encounter more folks through schools and activities for our kids; but other than raking in the leaves and occasional other activities out front, we don't spend as much time out on the street as we used to. Much of it is where we are in life now, but I think having more space between homes and ubiquitous air conditioning lead to less neighborhood interaction both good and bad.

    This obviously had nothing to do with Evergreen If you are interested in the Metro area, I'm married to a nice realtor who could help you zero in on some places to look.

    In any case, though, you'll probably have a great time in Colorado. Even when it's cold, the sun shines!

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    Evergreen?

    I'll be honest and toss in my two pesos.

    As a 20 year foothill dweller further north, I've never understood the appeal of Evergreen/Conifer. All the downsides of living in the closer in suburbs (traffic, crime, close neighbors, suburban blight) combined with the negatives of living in the hills (snow issues, higher heat bills, longer commute).

    If you are really concerned about access to skiing, driving from Golden to Loveland will take the same amount of time as driving from many of the places around Evergreen. As for Conifer, if you live along 285 you can get to Breck faster than someone in Golden, but that is a crappy drive too, especially if it is windy in South Park.

    If you can tolerate suburbia, Golden/Lakewood/Arvada is much more convenient living. If you want rural, Nederland has great trails and decent skiing nearby. Of course, if you are working in Denver, Ned is kind of a tough haul. Coal Creek Canyon is doable though.

    When are we going to get a sticky for all the "Where to live" questions?

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    hmmm, I am a big fan of Evergreen/Conifer

    We live just a bit south of the intersection of North Turkey Creek and hwy 73, with our 2 acre wooded lot, we certainly don't feel like suburbia.I have elk, mule deer, foxes, and recently, some very healthy coyotes in the yard. The recent additions along 285 reduces the need to go down the hill. I typically only go down into metro denver a couple times a month.
    Living where I do, does not give you a head start on getting in the mountains, I think it would take me the same time to get to Floyd hill as someone living in Golden, perhaps taking me longer.
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    the appeal of evergreen

    I have lived in Evergreen for 4 years now. The greatest appeal for me is:

    Space: You can still get land with your house, I like that alot
    Quiet: I can sit on my deck and not hear neighbors or even any road noise
    Lots of trees, wildlife, fresh air - love that
    At least 10 degrees cooler in the summer.
    Quality and quantity of close bike/hike/ski trails

    I work in Lakewood and the commute is 25 minutes. Really the only thing that gets me thinking about living closer to work is the price of gas and the days when I have to drive the commute twice. It would be great not to have to rely so much on - and put so much gas into - my vehicle, but as of now the positives outweigh that one negative.

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    Evergreen is where i grew up. It kicked ass to have elk meadow in my back yard. I had tons of friends, and always had stuff to do after school. As for skiing- it's closer than denver. if you really want to ski then live in a ski town. if you want to ski on weekends, then evergreen is fine. the best part is world class mountain bike trails located within 10 minutes of anywhere in evergreen.

    Here's a quick run down of the communities for you gasper-

    The ridge- very expensive houses closer to i70 than other evergreen communities
    the island- gated community on the golf course. close to bergen elementary (not sure what grades anymore since they built a new school)
    hiwan- nice houses but probably not quite as pricey as the ridge and the island close to the middle school and bergen elementary. close to elk meadow
    el pinal- not as nice of houses for a substantially lower price close to elk meadow's lower gate
    the community above albertson's (whatever it's called)- nice expensive houses close to elk meadow
    the community by hiwan homestead museum (fireweed drive area)- inexpensive homes easier access to 285
    the community around the highschool- close to three sister's, big lots, not so expensive

    if it sounds like i'm promoting evergreen, it's because i am. it was a cool place to live (way better than fort collins). good luck.

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    Any other thoughts on neighborhoods with COMMUNITY[/QUOTE]

    maybe we need to create our own hood..

    i am holding out for golden, and probably south golden as the houses are a bit cheaper..i am a teacher so i don't make all that much really, but enough..

    i really feel like a lot of it comes down to luck.. i live in the highlands which is supposed to be great for kids and there isn't a kid on our block.. and my of my neighbors are terrible.. i have one neighbor with 4 little yappy frickin dogs.. bark day and night and animal control will do nothing.. oh well.. hopefully this spring/summer i will get out of here..
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    Thanks for everyone's kind input. You sent us in the right direction from some advice on a previous topic so we spent the Christmas holidays checking the out the area and really like the feel of Evergreen. It's just my wife and I and our dog so schools and the need for other kids around isn't an issue. One of us will work from the house and a commute of less than 45 min would be fine for the other. We'd like to bike a few times a week during the season and are doing some home work to make sure we can get to the hill during the winter without it turning into too much of a hassle. Knowing what to expect is really helpful.
    Gasper

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