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    Santa Cruz Tallboy?

    Who rides a Santa Cruz Tallboy here?

    Do you like it and have you ever wished for more travel?

    Backstory: I'm finally in a position to get a new trail bike. I would like to keep around $5k but can go higher (say 6-7k) for the right bike.

    Most of my regular riding is at night on Marshall Mesa over to Springbrook so it is a lot of XC type trails. However I also wanted something more trail worthy for the rock fest we can have higher up. In mileage terms I would say my riding is 70% XC, 20% trail (whatever that means) and 10% AM.

    I weren't sure if a 29er was my thing and I was holding out for a 650b trail bike but I must say the 29ers do fit me well and I am not wanting to wait for Fall to see how the 1st gen 650b trail bikes stack up.

    So I was looking at the Tallboy LT carbon at Sports Garage and they are talking me down to the regular Tallboy Carbon stating it would be better for my general riding style and terrain.

    So if you have a regular Tallboy have you ever wished for more travel or is the 135mm LTc overkill for my generally XC type riding. I will be test riding both.

    And before you ask I don't want a separate hard tail for XC and a trail bike for gnar. I've had that before and I could never decide on the bike to take when the trails were a bit of everything.

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    I demo'd the TalboyLTc and don't think you should let someone talk you out of it without trying for yourself. I did one fire road ride with it and one trip up Bergen. I never once thought I needed something less travel to improve efficency and the extra beef was welcome when it was needed. The bike was really comfotable and pedaled great. Ultimately, I bought another 26", but I have nothing but positive things to say about the LTc.

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    My buddy rides a Tallboy and loves it. We live at the base of Apex and ride pretty hard on the "rock fest" that is out our back doors. Given that 80-90% of his riding is on those more techy/ rocky trails, he has definitely wished he had an LTc, but if his riding were more balanced your way, I think he would be more than happy. Again, he loves his bike, but has sometimes be craving a little more cush. Also, fwiw, he's had to replace the grease fittings and the lower sway bar a couple of times. I think SC bikes are awesome, but putting grease fittings on the bottom of the bottom bracket is just poor design.

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    Regarding the grease fittings that is one plus of the TBLTc over the TBc. The frame, from what I read, is beefed up and the grease fittings are now recessed.

    I changed my Demo this weekend to the TBLTc. If I have time I will also check out other bikes at the GBS demo on Sunday.

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    Anyone on the front range or in Winter Park RENT TB's?

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    I was looking at 29ers earlier this year and thought the Tall Boy was too XC only for me. I like a slacker head angle and a 5" bike appealed to me more than a 4". So that left the Blur TRC. Not as aggressive as a 6" enduro style bike but will handle that and serious XC rides, but it was a 26" So I went with a Specialized Stumpy 29er. Then 3 months later SC comes out with the Tall Boy LT. Both have 135mm travel, same head angle, etc.

    I like the 5" 29er since it is not a full on XC bike. For me the only real difference is FSR vs VPP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crockpot2001 View Post
    Anyone on the front range or in Winter Park RENT TB's?
    Well I don't know about "rent" but Sports Garage will let you "demo" the Tallboy for a $100 a day (or over the weekend).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post
    <snip>

    Backstory: I'm finally in a position to get a new trail bike. I would like to keep around $5k but can go higher (say 6-7k) for the right bike.
    Is this you?




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    As a guy who recently rode a 100mm 29er for 2 years, and now is on a 130mm 29er, I definitely like the 130 better. I put some more $$ into the 130mm bike and they weigh the same. In your price range you can get the weight to be very similar too, it's just a matter of what you like.

    so it's a riding style question. You're coming off an old bike, so a couple test rides would be in order particularly if you are going to keep this one as long as your current bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crockpot2001 View Post
    Anyone on the front range or in Winter Park RENT TB's?

    Doesn't GBS have demos?

    If I were to seriously consider a 29er again (which I doubt), the TB would hard to beat. Try a LT Blur and the Tallboy back to back up Chimney and down Apex from GBS.

    I ultimately ended up with a standard Blur XCc. It only has 4" of travel, and find it's more than enough to satisfy my cross country diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Well, you have a point, but I'll throw in here:

    It's easier than it has ever been to spend more than $5K on a mountain bike. Especially if you're going to do something speshul. Used to be a very good fork was 4-500 bones. Now it's dead easy to spend close to a grand on just a fork.

    I'm counting pennies on bike stuff these days now that I've left the bike shop world. But if I was going to throw down coin to replace what I'm riding now, it would be super easy to spend 5-6K.

    In case anybody out there wants to make my simple dream come true:

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    PM me with info about when and where I can pick it up, and there will be a really nice case of beer in it for you. And a heart felt thank you.
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    It's also really easy to get a great bike for less than $3K too. Just ask Kaj.

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    As TomP states it is very easy to exceed $5k these days. In fact I originaly though that $5K would be plenty but I have kind of been horrified at the price of bikes these days. Just when did $1000 for a fork and $2600 for a frame become the norm?

    Still my last bike probably cost around $3-4k in mid 90's money and I've had that bike near 15 years so I got my money's worth out of it. This bike will probably be with me for 10+ years as well so there are some things I don't want to compromize on. It has to be reasonable weight, so looking at carbon, repairable - carbon again, Shimano XT with XTR rear mech, decent wheelset and a non single pivot rear suspension (looking at DW-link, VPP etc). I want components that should stand the test of time and not make me feel like I need to upgrade them a couple of years down the road. I have money now. In a couple or years I may not.

    It seems the bikes I'm most interested are slipping over that $5k mark...Santa Cruz, Intense, Pivot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    It's also really easy to get a great bike for less than $3K too. Just ask Kaj.
    Guess I could get the Kona Satori and put a set of blingy wheels on it with the change

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj View Post
    You're coming off an old bike, so a couple test rides would be in order particularly if you are going to keep this one as long as your current bike
    If my history is anything to go by probably until the day I die...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post
    Still my last bike probably cost around $3-4k in mid 90's money
    $3500 in 1995 = $5277 in 2012.

    So yeah - bikes really haven't gotten all that expensive relatively speaking... it's just that $$ are worth a lot less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    It's also really easy to get a great bike for less than $3K too. Just ask Kaj.
    Quite true. I'm on a bike I'm very happy with that could be put together for around 3K more or less. Hard to say though 'cuz I'm running parts that have gone from bike to bike. Brakes and levers are three bikes old (2009 I think?) Hone cranks that have been on three bikes, wheels from early 2010, one hub from 2007, XTR pedals from 2007...

    But there is some pricey stuff out there that is totally worth it, if you have it to spare. Depends lots on what you like to do and what you can afford. How many hobbies do you have? How many kids do you have? How many payments do you have? Is riding your life, or is it just one of several distractions?

    I can think of a handful of production bikes available now that are reasonable price that I'm sure I'd be totally happy with. But I don't have kids, and it's pretty much my main thing. If you asked me, "what's money for?" the answer would certainly include bikes. If I was going to replace my bike right now, I would dig deep for quality. Because it's worth it to me.

    And my opinions about what's worth it and what is not is a little different from some. For example, I run cheap stems and seatposts. I think paying mega bucks for thomson stuff is silly. Even if I was putting together a $6000 bike I probably wouldn't be paying more than $40 or so for a seatpost. But I likes me King bottom bracket, DT rear hub and XTR pedals.

    kerryn, you may be right about rear suspension that's fancier than single pivot, but that hasn't been true for me. The full suspension bikes I've enjoyed most in the last 6 years were modified single pivots, aka faux bar bikes. I had a four bar (horst link) that I did NOT like. I am interested in the maestro (Giant), but there are downsides to multi-pivot bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post
    Guess I could get the Kona Satori and put a set of blingy wheels on it with the change

    ^^^^ this ^^^^
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    kerryn, I have been trying to talk my friend/acquaintance THE GIANT into coming out from lurk mode, and getting a handle to start posting, if nothing else, just to help you here. But doesn't look like that's happening, so I will speak for him.
    He Tried a Tall Boy and LIKED it a lot, but not enough to buy, then tried a Tall Boy LT (not carbon) and LOVED it a lot. Sprang for it, and you can't get the guy off a bike now.
    I am probably screwing the story up some how, but that's the jist.

    On another note, I just added up all the MTBs I have had in my life, and they total $4398.
    (6 MTBs in 22 years) -
    In 1990 - bught a Raleigh - $399
    In 1991 - bought a Haro - $699
    In 1995ish - bought a used GT Zaskar - $400
    In 2001 - bought a Specialized - $1200
    In 2002 - bought a Specialized (crash replacement - long story - shop did me a favor, not an actual crash) - $700
    2009 - bought a Mongoose - $1000

    Man, it sucks being poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIANTkiller View Post
    <snip>
    On another note, I just added up all the MTBs I have had in my life, and they total $4398.
    (6 MTBs in 22 years) -
    In 1990 - bught a Raleigh - $399
    In 1991 - bought a Haro - $699
    In 1995ish - bought a used GT Zaskar - $400
    In 2001 - bought a Specialized - $1200
    In 2002 - bought a Specialized (crash replacement - long story - shop did me a favor, not an actual crash) - $700
    2009 - boughth a Mongoose - $1000

    Man, it sucks being poor.
    Hey - I like this game.

    1991 - Giant ATX-760 - $500
    1996 - Trek Y-22 (used) - $1200
    2001 - Giant XtC-Team (used) - $500 (net after insurance claim on Trek)
    2010 - Giant Reign 1 - $2600

    $4800 total for 21 years of quality rides. And in the end - it's *all* about the rides...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIANTkiller View Post
    On another note, I just added up all the MTBs I have had in my life, and they total $4398.
    (6 MTBs in 22 years) ...
    Couple years ago I compiled a list of my lifetime of bikes, starting in 1968 or so. Since then every time a new one comes along, I've updated my list:

    Bikes I have owned

    I currently still own #22, #26, #28, and #30. (Note, if you look at this list, 2007 was the year I got divorced. There was a bit of a bike buying spike that year...)

    Quote Originally Posted by GIANTkiller View Post
    ...Man, it sucks being poor.
    Go to work for a bike shop. You'll experience levels of poverty and wealth that you could never imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Go to work for a bike shop. You'll experience levels of poverty and wealth that you could never imagine.
    LOL! Thanks for SBFL, by the way. I had a good time.
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    My $0.02...go however big you need to to make yourself happy in the next decade.5 of riding you'll do. If it's a $6-7k TBLTc, then so be it! And if any of these guys offer to subsidize your purchase, then I'd listen to their suggestion to talk you out of what you want. Until they do (especially SS), I'd tell them to get stuffed, because it's you who'll ultimately be living w/ your purchase. I think they're just jealous that you can and they can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
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    My $0.02...go however big you need to to make yourself happy in the next decade.5 of riding you'll do. If it's a $6-7k TBLTc, then so be it! And if any of these guys offer to subsidize your purchase, then I'd listen to their suggestion to talk you out of what you want. Until they do (especially SS), I'd tell them to get stuffed, because it's you who'll ultimately be living w/ your purchase. I think they're just jealous that you can and they can't.
    You damned childless single guys.

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    5k, ha, that's nothing! Especially when compared to the cost of a cardiologist!!! =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velosprocket View Post
    5k, ha, that's nothing! Especially when compared to the cost of a cardiologist!!! =)
    ExAAACtly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velosprocket View Post
    5k, ha, that's nothing! Especially when compared to the cost of a cardiologist!!! =)
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    Go to work for a bike shop. You'll experience levels of poverty and wealth that you could never imagine.[/QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    ExAAACtly!
    Wait until you price out the orthopedic surgeon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Wait until you price out the orthopedic surgeon.
    For sciatica? You don't need no stinkin' surgeon for no sciatica?! just a good chiro and a massage therapist who'd walk on your back! That lady I went to in Golden stomped me righteously!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    For sciatica? You don't need no stinkin' surgeon for no sciatica?! just a good chiro and a massage therapist who'd walk on your back! That lady I went to in Golden stomped me righteously!
    I was actually referring to your inevitable spectacular crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    I was actually referring to your inevitable spectacular crash.
    Almost...
    That sciatica attack was instantaneous when I was in the air attempting a scrub move on Bootcamp on Trestle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Wait until you price out the orthopedic surgeon.
    Good point! I have the solution. Buy the Tallboy, and just keep on the Platte bike path. Stay out of the dirt, less to clean and maintain that way too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velosprocket View Post
    Good point! I have the solution. Buy the Tallboy, and just keep on the Platte bike path. Stay out of the dirt, less to clean and maintain that way too
    Screw that. Those bike paths are WAY more dangerous than the trail. Buncha damn unpredictable bipedal apes on those bike paths...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Buncha damn unpredictable bipedal apes on those bike paths...
    ...or those 6'2" spider monkeys
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    Oh my, how threads drift off track on this forum. Amusing but off track...

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    As an FYI, after riding the Tallboy LTc this weekend I determined it's not the bike for me. Good bike yes, but ultimately I didn't like the wagon wheel feel of it. It felt like I was steering a bus.

    It gripped well, was a demon downhill (I got at 2nd overall time on one downhill Strava segment and PRs on other downhill segments) but on undulating terrain and uphills it was only so so. I felt the weight of the wheels slowing me down, and ultimately it just wasn't that much "fun". Also, and this was surprising for me, but I have never had so many pedal strikes in my life and that put a downer on the ride feel.

    Things I did like were the suspension. Hugely impressed with the VPP at the back. Now I should probably compare it against a DW-link like and that of the Yeti SB66... Also I did like the rollover of the big wheels. I rode up some stuff I usually just walk so I do see advantage in a wheel bigger than 26 but not quite as big as 29.

    So, I still think a 650b trail bike will be my ultimate ride (4.5-5 inch being the sweet spot). One thing I did notice is that my current Boulder Starship while 15 years old, when compared to state of the art moden trail bikes, still rides superbly for such an old design. Yes not as efficient as the VPP, but not that bad either.

    So under my new consideration are: Santa Cruz TRc and the Intense Carbine. Both of these bikes can run 26er now and be converted to 650b later on. Alas, 650b won't fit on the Yeti. The wise thing would be to just wait till Fall but I am not sure I want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post
    So under my new consideration are: Santa Cruz TRc and the Intense Carbine. Both of these bikes can run 26er now and be converted to 650b later on. Alas, 650b won't fit on the Yeti. The wise thing would be to just wait till Fall but I am not sure I want to.
    Don't forget the Ibis Mojo HD -- fully 650b compatible in the 140mm config.

    there's a review coming from MTBR shortly on the bike. Here's the one about the wheels on the bike:

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    Not all 29ers feel like wagon wheels

    FWIW, not all 29er ride the same. I have ridden some where it felt like I was on top of a horse- waaaaay up above the ground and I felt how you describe. However, I have also ridden, owned, demoed and borrowed several others that don't have that feel. I would recommend trying a few others out before you limit yourself to 650b's- there are so many more options out there for 29ers- not just bikes, but wheels, tires, forks, etc- and more of those bikes are designed around the 29" wheel- where with some that you're talking about, the frame/ geometry is built around a 26" wheel and you're talking about throwing a different wheel on there, which will change a lot of how the bike rides/ was designed to ride. Try a regular Tallboy, or a Turner, or a Stumpjumper, or any number of other 29ers that might not have you feeling like you're riding a circus bike...

    just my .02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj View Post
    Don't forget the Ibis Mojo HD -- fully 650b compatible in the 140mm config.
    But the Mojo HD is so ugly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alshead View Post
    FWIW, not all 29er ride the same.
    I like a lot about the TBLTc, just not the wheels. I think if it had a quality carbon wheelset with lighter (more XCer) rubber I would like it more. But then it would be $2k more as well.

    I weighed the rear wheel and it weighed over 1.1 lbs more than the rear on my Starship. That's a significant amount of rotating mass. I weighed the bike and compared it against the Starship. It weighed 2+lbs more. I'm guessing that all that weight is in the wheels and that the frame and components is comparable to my current bike even though it has 2-3 inches more travel on each wheel.

    Admittedly I have not ridden to many 29ers but so far the one I liked the most was a single-speed hard-tail. That one was fun.

    I wish the GBS demo was not canceled. I was planning on attending that to get some multiple bike trail time in to get a better feel of what I like. I hope they can reschedule soon.

    I've come to the conclusion that I don't like shopping for bikes. I would just rather ride them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post

    I wish the GBS demo was not canceled. I was planning on attending that to get some multiple bike trail time in to get a better feel of what I like. I hope they can reschedule soon.

    I've come to the conclusion that I don't like shopping for bikes. I would just rather ride them.
    I think it's back on, check their FB page.

    Nice conclusions on the 29er. I also think the TB is creme of the crop in 29er handling, the S-works HT / Epic is also nice. But ultimately, I love my new Blur XCc. The 26" wheel is lighter, accelerates faster, and it will ALWAYS be that way. So I have to lift the wheel slightly higher to clear a few rocks.

    I compared the 29ers I demo'd to a dump truck, bus is just as good!

    I'm looking forward to throwing a 650b wheelset on the Blur, I'm also thinking about trying them on the Leadville 50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alshead View Post
    FWIW, not all 29er ride the same. I have ridden some where it felt like I was on top of a horse- waaaaay up above the ground and I felt how you describe. However, I have also ridden, owned, demoed and borrowed several others that don't have that feel. I would recommend trying a few others out before you limit yourself to 650b's- there are so many more options out there for 29ers- not just bikes, but wheels, tires, forks, etc- and more of those bikes are designed around the 29" wheel- where with some that you're talking about, the frame/ geometry is built around a 26" wheel and you're talking about throwing a different wheel on there, which will change a lot of how the bike rides/ was designed to ride. Try a regular Tallboy, or a Turner, or a Stumpjumper, or any number of other 29ers that might not have you feeling like you're riding a circus bike...

    just my .02.
    New Turner Burner 650B just around the corner...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post
    But the Mojo HD is so ugly!
    Hmmm... kerryn perhaps?




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    Quote Originally Posted by lanruss View Post
    New Turner Burner 650B just around the corner...
    I've been eyeing that. My problem is that I'm getting impatient and most of the new 650b bikes will not be out until Fall sometime. I don't want to wait! Still I've waited 15 years for a new mountain bike, what's another few months?






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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Hmmm... kerryn perhaps?
    Yo girlie man, if I spent $5-7K on a bike without a motor, I wouldn't want it to be ugly either.


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    650b the TRc sounds like a solid plan! I've been reading a lot about the bennies of "b"-ing the TRc, and no drawbacks!

    I can't wait to "b" my Blur LTc! A slight short shocking to drop the BB...oh yeah!
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    Wait for the fall offerings. Scott genius coming out with expenisive weight weenie carbon trail bikes that might suit perfectly. Genius 27er and 29er.
    The marketeers are really pimpin the 27er movement these days. No one is going to miss out on sales by being slow to the pony show like w/ 29ers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    It's also really easy to get a great bike for less than $3K too. Just ask Kaj.
    Ibis Mojo SL Special Blend Build Bike > Complete Bikes > All-Mountain & Trail Mountain Bikes | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop

    carbon to boot

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    KerryN, I know of a large TRc for sale. Can't PM you as I don't have enough posts. Contact me if you're interested in details.

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