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    Right of way

    Last year I was riding Falcon by myself. Beautiful afternoon, not a whole lot of people up on the mountain yet. ( I left the trail around 4:30 p.m.)

    Up above the picnic bench heading towards Parmalee, after you make the right heading towards the bathrooms and the trailhead for the loop there is a double track/fireroad where you can easily see for a couple hundred yards.

    I was hammering along the right side of the road when I saw a ranger walking along that road. I began to wave hi to the guy when he yelled at me to stop. I slammed on the brakes and stopped. He then began yelling at me for not stopping, getting off my bike and walking past him. Again, this road is wide enough for 2 cars to pass. If it was singletrack i would have stopped, let him by and continued riding.

    Am I nuts or is this an insane idea to have to not only stop your bike but to also get off and walk by someone on a double track road????? I mean, when does common sense come into play? I have never in all the years i've ridden falcon have any issues w/ hikers or anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeed74
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    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    No.
    I apologize for Ithnu's brashness. What he really meant was "no thank you."
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    I apologize for Ithnu's brashness. What he really meant was "no thank you."
    I was not referring to my opinion, but instead dictating to the rest of you internet sheep!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    I was not referring to my opinion, but instead dictating to the rest of you internet sheep!
    Oh thank you.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    this one time...

    This one time at band camp....no no wrong story. I mean this one time at Palmer Park this ginormous dude on a little white bike ran me off the trail. The next time I see him should I.... jam a stick in his spokes....clothes line him...or run and hide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomad rdr
    This one time at band camp....no no wrong story. I mean this one time at Palmer Park this ginormous dude on a little white bike ran me off the trail. The next time I see him should I.... jam a stick in his spokes....clothes line him...or run and hide?

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    That's so funny because I had almost the same experience with some scrawny a-hole on black bike in Palmer Park. I ever carry around a stick in my pack with "for that Sanata Cruz rider, with love" carved into it. I'll get that little biotch back one of these days.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    That's so funny because I had almost the same experience with some scrawny a-hole on black bike in Palmer Park. I ever carry around a stick in my pack with "for that Sanata Cruz rider, with love" carved into it. I'll get that little biotch back one of these days.
    Well I was going up a 2% grade. He should have yielded! Santa Cruz fo life sucka...

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    On a different train of thought...I was parking at REI the other day and some guy and his kid walked right in front of my truck through the parking spot I was pulling into. If I hadn't hit my brakes, I'd have hit them. Bunch o' dumba$$es out there, who walks in front of a moving car?

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    Clearly this situation called for escalation. If you'd been adequately armed and equipped, you could have killed, butchered and wrapped this guy's carcass in a matter of minutes. Donate the meat to a soup kitchen and -- hey -- what's that saying about getting stoned with two birds?

    It's obviously your fault for lacking the forethought to arm yourself properly.
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    I suggest a throat punch; it's quite effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manmountain Dense
    It's obviously your fault for lacking the forethought to arm yourself properly.
    Never again. I told you about my stick, didn't I?
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    biker fox wept...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
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    Did you say Biker Fox???
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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeed74

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    Them are the rules... Signage is everywhere.

    As to what constitutes a distance from which you let the passerby by, well, that's a grey area. You got a particular a-hole in this instance...

    I really do find it hard to believe that a ranger would have issue with a double track fire road. Jeffco isn't typically that anal.

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    There is not enough information in the word problem to determine if you are nuts.


    However, if this happens again, here is the solution.

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    I'd have told him to kiss my a$$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomad rdr
    This one time at band camp....no no wrong story. I mean this one time at Palmer Park this ginormous dude on a little white bike ran me off the trail. The next time I see him should I.... jam a stick in his spokes....clothes line him...or run and hide?
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    Strike up a friendly conversation with the individual and suggest he avail himself of the lovely Western sections of the Templeton trail that are (mis)marked with a green "Beginners" circle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    There is not enough information in the word problem to determine if you are nuts.


    However, if this happens again, here is the solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    Never again. I told you about my stick, didn't I?
    That wasn't you at Deer Creek today about 5:45ish was it? No joke, I was finishing my descent there and this 12" stick comes flying in front of me outta nowhere. I stopped and picked it up and was gonna wait to use it on some dude and his son who I saw shuttling by foot at the wall of shame with their black and white Knollys. I think his name was DW, uhh something.

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    do you carry a gun incase of mtn lions?

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    It's not a double track...they're two separate trails that just happen to run parallel to each other.

    "Look, you were on THAT trail, and I was on this one."

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    that ranger needs to get a life, he was probably waiting for the opportunity to go off on a biker
    Should have laughed and kept riding
    I am always respectable to rangers and anyone in that field of work, but that is power tripping
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    I think the key is this... "I was hammering along the right side of the road when I saw a ranger walking along that road".

    I suspect had you made an effort to slow down when passing a hiker, he might have been cool and waved to you. That should apply in all situations. The hikers don't know if you are in control or not and don't want you bounding into them. I don't get where some riders just find it so hard to slow down when going by a hiker. Just a couple of revolutions of the crank and you are back to full speed.
    WTF

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosayno
    ... I saw shuttling by foot at the wall of shame with their black and white Knollys. I think his name was DW, uhh something.
    Ohhh... don't even get me started on Knolly riders. They're the worst breed. In addition to the black and white ones, I've had issues with the green ones too.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosayno
    I stopped and picked it up and was gonna wait to use it on some dude and his son who I saw shuttling by foot at the wall of shame with their black and white Knollys. I think his name was DW, uhh something.
    No Knollys were present (Brooklyn Racelink & Foes Mono instead) and that wasn't my son. That was 31-year old Hellroy. Thanks for the age-boost though.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    do you carry a gun incase of mtn lions?
    Lately, I've started carrying a mountain lion in case of guns. Probably easier the other way.
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    The incident with the ranger may be reflective of the unfortunately all too common poor trail etiquette of many mountain bikers, and the ranger's knee-jerk reaction to what he perceived as just another mountain biker ignoring well-established yielding rules. I ride at Hall Ranch a lot, and rare indeed is the day when I bike that at least one or two mountain bikers will not fail to yield -- or even slow down to a reasonable passing speed --- while I am going uphill on a narrow section of single track with little or no passing room. I have therefore developed the "no budging rule" when going uphill, which I find I must employ virtually every time I ride. I think it's too bad so many mountain bikers choose to ignore the rules and make the rest of us look bad. Often mountain bikers at Hall Ranch will not even slow down, let alone yield (as they are required to do) for hikers. I have even seen mountain bikers fail to yield for horses at Hall Ranch. I can understand the ranger's reaction. For my part, I go out of my way always to yield to hikers and horses, always to yield to uphill bikers, and always to proceed at a safe speed when descending so that I can stop if I have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tundraline
    I have therefore developed the "no budging rule"
    I'm with you there brother! When I'm rockin' the steeps after a hard shuttle and I gots my flow going, it's elbows out and no budging until I run out of gravity!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    I'm with you there brother! When I'm rockin' the steeps after a hard shuttle and I gots my flow going, it's elbows out and no budging until I run out of gravity!
    It works pretty well, doesn't it?

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    It's funny how people will all the sudden 'remember' their etiquette when you don't shy away from climbing via the preferred line.

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    I'm thinking a telescoping baton unless he/she is armed. Then you escalate with an automatic pistol. If he/she's has a rifle, bring a RPG. Basically, go with the good 'ol American philosophy of overwhelming firepower.
    Or, maybe the traditional "bird" would be just perfect?

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    In case anyone has the mistaken impression that yielding to an uphill bike user at Hall Ranch is optional, here are the regulations (that is, the laws) that apply to Hall Ranch and other Boulder County Open Space Parks:

    Regulation #2008-31-20: Trail Use

    a) It shall be unlawful for any trail user to fail to yield to other trail users in the manner defined herein or as otherwise posted at trailheads. The appropriate order for yielding the trail right-of-way is as follows: All users yield to equestrians; bicyclists yield to pedestrians, and bicyclists headed downhill yield to bicyclists headed uphill. Yielding the right-of-way requires slowing down to a safe speed, being prepared to stop, establishing communication, and passing safely. . . .

    Mountain Bikers Approaching All Other Trail Users
    Bicyclists must yield trail right-of-way to all other users regardless of trail width and condition.
    Slow down to a safe, walking speed and announce yourself in a calm manner as soon as you see another trail user and they are withn hearing distance.
    Announcing yourself includes greetings such as as "Good-morning", "Hello" etc. Avoid phrases like "On Your Left", which indicates that you have the right-of-way.
    Continue to announce yourself until the other user acknowledges you. Be prepared to STOP, unless it is indicated to you that it is safe to pass [emphasis in original].

    Mountain Bikers Approaching Mountain Bikers:
    Bicyclists headed downhill yield to bicyclists headed uphill.

    The law is crystal clear, and there is no ambiguity regarding who is supposed to yield to whom. Responsible users on Boulder County Open Space trails respect and follow these laws, which have been crafted to provide a sensible framework for all trail users, including mountain bikers. Failure to follow the laws, whether you are aware of them or not, does enormous damage to the cause of mountain bikers generally. While there is little percentage in being a self-absorbed inconsiderate trail user (a few seconds of gleeful downhill travel at others' expense), there is a big potential downside -- more tails being closed to us because. I'd hate to see Hall Ranch closed to mountain bikers because a few jerks mess it up for the rest of us.

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