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    Rant - Fox Float RP3 - unserviceable?!?!

    So, I've been around motorsports, snowmobiles, dirtbikes and the like over the years. I've also been biking over half of my life here on earth, so I know a few things about servicing Fox shocks. This brings me to my current rant.....

    I have an older RP3 shock that needs new damper oil and a nitro recharge. I've done the air sleeve (many times) and I DO NOT NEED any custom valving (aka Push). Apparently NO ONE, I mean NO ONE other than Fox and Push can recharge the nitro?!?!?!

    When I used to re-valve my snowmobile shocks we had a huge bottle of nitro in the shop. A matter a 30min to re-valve, re-charge and I was back riding my snowmobile seeing what effect the changes I made had to the suspension. It was no biggie. Anyone could do it. Seriously, it isn't hard to recharge the nitro with the needle tool.

    This brings me to my current dilema..... I don't want to spend $100+ dollars just to rebuild the shock to normal condition. I just want to refill the damper oil and recharge the IFP chamber. Hell, I'd be just fine using air instead of nitro, but that doesn't seem possible without the tool. (which NO ONE has, except Fox and Push)
    What is everyone doing with this situation? I talked to Fox and they want $120 for a full rebuild! I'd go the Push route for a little more than that, but I'm fine with the Comp and Rebound functions.

    Has anyone found a cycle/sled shop that can recharge the nitro side of things? I'm worried the needle guage is slightly larger than what the MTB shocks need.
    I've found some good info online and even found a massive zip file of Fox documents with exploded views, specs, and the like for my shock. IFP depth and the like. The file even has a service update in which Fox is telling dealers that the Nitro side of my RP3 is now getting pressurized to 400psi instead of the 'normal' 300 psi. I don't even have the means to pressurize something to 400psi......

    I'm really frustrated with Fox right now. Great product until it needs servicing and then I'm supposed to pay almost half of the cost of a new shock, just to rebuild my old one!?!?
    I am more than competent and confident to do this myself, but how?

    Any help on the matter is appreciated and I know I'm not the first to ***** about Fox's proprietary damper. Feels like a Monopoly with Fox and Push being the ONLY ones that can work on these.

    /Rant, Just needed to get that off my chest!

    Edit; I understand this 'may' belong in the suspension section, but I'm looking for Front Range solutions. I.E. can another shop re-charge the nitro?

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    Is this like changing the blinker-fluid in a car?

    I've been having a hard time finding a shop that will do it for less than $100. I'm so angry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs View Post
    Is this like responding to a subject you have no idea about?
    Yes, yes it is.

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    If you have the tank, why not buy the tool you need and offer the oil/N2 charge as a service to recoup your cost? Will this ever come out in the wash? If you price it competitively enough, you can get w/ the bike shops that don't do N2 charge and have a nice little supplemental income thing going as well as helping out other CO/FR riders in the same situation... Just my immediate thoughts.

    Edit: hell, I may have an Avy that needs oil and N2...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    If you have the tank, why not buy the tool you need and offer the oil/N2 charge as a service to recoup your cost?
    Wish I had a tank. The tank belonged to my old employer; Speedwerx in MN.

    I'd love to do this for folks around here, but pretty sure the needle fill tool will not/cannot be sold to ANYONE. (except Push)

    Hell, even Mojo can't do the fill, but wishes they could because there is a lot of money to be made behind Fox's back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by liqwid View Post
    Actually yes, but I'll try them again.

    My first couple of phone messages and emails, were never answered......

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    Try Pedal Pushers in Golden. I saw you are in the Denver area. They have a guy named Eric that worked for Push. Maybe they can get you going.

    http://pedalpusherscyclery.com/contact-us/

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    You might check with Pedalpushers in Golden. Their head mech used to work at Push, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser View Post
    You might check with Pedalpushers in Golden. Their head mech used to work at Push, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
    Wish I had a tank. The tank belonged to my old employer; Speedwerx in MN.

    I'd love to do this for folks around here, but pretty sure the needle fill tool will not/cannot be sold to ANYONE. (except Push)

    Hell, even Mojo can't do the fill, but wishes they could because there is a lot of money to be made behind Fox's back!
    All I can say is look to Asia for something... If it's been made, it either started there or there's a copy of it there, somewhere. Also, might hit up a place like ChainReaction or TFTune for a pic of the assembly or the part number

    Edit: what's this thing - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000GVD686/...SIN=B000GVD686
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    Thanks for the suggestions guys.

    PedalPushers = good guys, but alas. They cannot do anything. Their hands are tied as well.

    I'll keep you posted as I may end up doing this myself.....
    Here's what I'm thinking I need to order:
    I've even found one setup that can be ordered with a schrader valve threaded in one end so a shock pump 'could' be attatched.....We shall see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Yea Paully, thats what I'm thinking. Just need to find out if this is the same for MTB as it is for the motorsports side of things.

    Who knows, you might be able to swing my the Highlands with a 6'er and I can rebuild you shocks!

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    I abandoned Fox back in 1996 because of the lack of user-serviceability. Only recently have I returned because that's what came on my new bike...

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    I abandoned Fox back in 1996 because of the lack of user-serviceability. Only recently have I returned because that's what came on my new bike...

    Good luck.
    Amen to that! Looks like all air shocks have a nitro charge, so I'm gonna open up shop at home damnit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
    Amen to that! Looks like all air shocks have a nitro charge, so I'm gonna open up shop at home damnit!
    You could always abandon Fox...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
    Yea Paully, thats what I'm thinking. Just need to find out if this is the same for MTB as it is for the motorsports side of things.

    Who knows, you might be able to swing my the Highlands with a 6'er and I can rebuild you shocks!
    You might need this article then

    http://faqload.com/faqs/bicycle-comp...itrogen-pellet

    Edit: woo... I have no idea where .za is, but: http://www.blackflag.co.za/store/det...eedle-kit.html
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    Yup, read that too.

    I've pretty much used up all the interweb resources and only so many people will devulge their secret to refilling. Most can get 'close' to the correct psi, but never perfect. It makes a huge diff to have the pressure 'right on'

    In the Uber-secret Fox docs I have, they list the durometer of the pellet and part number to order replacements! (not that they'd sell them to me)

    Fox is so D@mn tight lipped about such a minor thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
    Yup, read that too.

    I've pretty much used up all the interweb resources and only so many people will devulge their secret to refilling. Most can get 'close' to the correct psi, but never perfect. It makes a huge diff to have the pressure 'right on'

    In the Uber-secret Fox docs I have, they list the durometer of the pellet and part number to order replacements! (not that they'd sell them to me)

    Fox is so D@mn tight lipped about such a minor thing!

    Curious, have you tried atmospheric air? Yeah moisture...yada yada. RS uses atmospheric air... as does Marz in their Roco's resi.
    The other thought is to look into CO2's properties, but I don't think it will work since it's significantly heavier. Might have too much heat capacity and start acting funny when it gets warm.
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    Moisture in Colorado air? Funny...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Moisture in Colorado air? Funny...
    Hey smart guy, what happened on Monday? Wouldn't be too funny if you were camping at Curt would it?

    Edit; okay, sorry, Curt is in WY, whatev...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Hey smart guy, what happened on Monday? Wouldn't be too funny if you were camping at Curt would it?

    Edit; okay, sorry, Curt is in WY, whatev...
    What the hell are you talking about?

    Damned Canuckistans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    What the hell are you talking about?

    Damned Canuckistans.
    No moisture in CO air? Are you sure? Do you recall Monday of this week? Seriously, no moisture? There was a 4 ft deep pool of water the size of an Olympic regulation pool by my work where there was once a field...only grass today.

    Edit: the term you're thinking is "relative humidity". Relative to N2, you have Monday. Relative to Seattle, CO air is like the friggin' Sahara.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Curious, have you tried atmospheric air? Yeah moisture...yada yada. RS uses atmospheric air... as does Marz in their Roco's resi.
    The other thought is to look into CO2's properties, but I don't think it will work since it's significantly heavier. Might have too much heat capacity and start acting funny when it gets warm.
    Yea, I'm totally down with filling it with air. Nitrogen is in the air and by itself is slightly more stable at pressure than air. I believe that's why they fill with nitro.

    The BIGGEST hurdle is the filler needle......Hopefully that'll be remedied soon enough!

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    If you need a 6.5 x 1.5 I've got one ready to go, no charging necessary (and it's been PUSHed). Actually, there is a charge--you need to buy it from me.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    If you need a 6.5 x 1.5 I've got one ready to go, no charging necessary (and it's been PUSHed). Actually, there is a charge--you need to buy it from me.
    I do need a 6.5 x 1.5 ( Giant Trance)
    Pretty sure I saw that on CL. Tempting, especially if I cannot go the route I'm thinking....

    Only one drawback. You weigh about 40lbs LESS than me

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
    Yea, I'm totally down with filling it with air. Nitrogen is in the air and by itself is slightly more stable at pressure than air. I believe that's why they fill with nitro.

    The BIGGEST hurdle is the filler needle......Hopefully that'll be remedied soon enough!
    Do you think it'd be possible to thread on an air valve of some sort? I found a cut-away of a Fox Float. There seems to be about 10 threads where that plug goes in. Do you have PSI values?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    No moisture in CO air? Are you sure? Do you recall Monday of this week? Seriously, no moisture? There was a 4 ft deep pool of water the size of an Olympic regulation pool by my work where there was once a field...only grass today.
    That's from the snow melting you boob.

    There's no moisture in Colorado air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
    I do need a 6.5 x 1.5 ( Giant Trance)
    Pretty sure I saw that on CL. Tempting, especially if I cannot go the route I'm thinking....

    Only one drawback. You weigh about 40lbs LESS than me
    165 lbs. Get it re-PUSHed for your weight for the low low price of $95 (I think). I bought it from a guy off the Turner forum who weighed 205 lbs. What goes around comes around, yeah?
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    That's from the snow melting you boob.

    There's no moisture in Colorado air.
    Where were you on Monday, or Sunday?

    Is this one of those, "I reject your reality and replace it w/ my own" moments?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
    I do need a 6.5 x 1.5 ( Giant Trance)
    Pretty sure I saw that on CL. Tempting, especially if I cannot go the route I'm thinking....

    Only one drawback. You weigh about 40lbs LESS than me
    So lose 40 lbs. Anything else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Where were you on Monday, or Sunday?
    I was camping on Sunday. Monday I was going to ride to work, but it rained. So I slept in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    I was camping on Sunday. Monday I was going to ride to work, but it rained. So I slept in.
    Ding ding ding ding... we FINALLY have a wiener!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    So lose 40 lbs. Anything else?
    Easier said then done! I've only seen you on 2 T.i.t.s rides........

    If I lost 40lbs.....it'd be scary. I wasn't meant to weigh 160lbs.

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    Update; DirtLabs wants $100 + for a full rebuild.....

    They will not 'just' recharge.

    And yes, Paully I've got all the specs (psi, depth, torque, blah blah)
    Maybe the schrader valve is the way to go.......? Cut out the middle man!

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    The holy of holy info.......Maybe a little out of date for some of you, but there is a wealth of info in here if you only look.

    Takes a while to download. (it's freakin' huge file!)

    Enjoy : http://www.sendspace.com/file/gp9k3p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Ding ding ding ding... we FINALLY have a wiener!
    What the hell is your point? The rain made the air less dry you nitwit. There's no moisture in the air here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    165 lbs. Get it re-PUSHed for your weight for the low low price of $95 (I think). I bought it from a guy off the Turner forum who weighed 205 lbs. What goes around comes around, yeah?
    Oh, I get it. So I buy it for $160 + $95 for a re-valve + shipping.....perfect!
    Then I get to put my perfectly fine shock (that just needs nitro) on the shelf, or sell it to some unknowing soul for $160 then tell them to have it pushed for another $95 + shipping!

    Wow.

    Not really. I might as well buy a NEW shock custom tuned from Push.
    This is what I'm trying to get away from.

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    Whatever your time is worth, I feel like you may have spent more than $100 trying to figure this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron View Post
    Whatever your time is worth, I feel like you may have spent more than $100 trying to figure this out.
    Ha! I'm getting paid to figure this out!

    So No. I havn't spent more than $100.

    Thanks for the worthless input!

    Apparently for some it's easier to open their wallet than thier mind.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    What the hell is your point? The rain made the air less dry you nitwit. There's no moisture in the air here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    You frikkin' Canuckistans...

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    I'm going to solve all these problems.

    HomegrownMN: Get a coil.
    SS and Pau11y: Get a room. You can speak of moisture contents during a rainy day there
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure View Post
    I'm going to solve all these problems.

    HomegrownMN: Get a coil.
    SS and Pau11y: Get a room. You can speak of moisture contents during a rainy day there
    Too funnay!

    Challenge: find me a coil shock that fits 6.5x1.5 dim. and one that doesn't need nitro when rebuilt. Or has a schrader to fill the nitro instead of the 'pellet'

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure View Post
    I'm going to solve all these problems.

    HomegrownMN: Get a coil.
    SS and Pau11y: Get a room. You can speak of moisture contents during a rainy day there
    I reject your reality and insert my own:
    Getting a RP23 and have just finished building those wheels for the Nomad. And, SS is your BFF first and foremost...we were discussing moisture content to your benefit
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure View Post
    I'm going to solve all these problems.

    HomegrownMN: Get a coil.
    SS and Pau11y: Get a room. You can speak of moisture contents during a rainy day there
    We'd need to move somewhere it rained.

    And MN - IE speaks the truth. Get a coil. Except you probably can't get a coil in the right size...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    I reject your reality and insert my own:
    Getting a RP23 and have just finished building those wheels for the Nomad. And, SS is your BFF first and foremost...we were discussing moisture content to your benefit
    Sorry - I'm a SLF, not a BFF. NTTAWWT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    And MN - IE speaks the truth. Get a coil. Except you probably can't get a coil in the right size...
    Wrong: http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/869190/

    Fox also made one back in the day, for an Intense Uzzi SL... I think the Van R? Anyway, they'll be pretty hard to find.

    I believe that Vivid uses atmo air...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Frikkin' Canuckistans. "bought wrong size need a 6.5 inch eye to eye"


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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Frikkin' Canuckistans. "bought wrong size need a 6.5 inch eye to eye"

    **Open mouth, insert foot**

    I'm gonna go for a ride... just ate a whole basket of strawberries covered in brown sugar...ADHD is KICKIN' in angry now!

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    Paully, never met you, but when I do i'll owe you a beer for all the 'actual' help!

    Thanks man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
    Paully, never met you, but when I do i'll owe you a beer for all the 'actual' help!

    Thanks man!
    I'm no "help"! I'm just a ranting cartoon who uses other ppl's tragedy segregate the cycling community: Maybe they'll put this guy away this time

    Yup, that's me!

    Edit; but you're welcome! **now, where the hell is that hornet's nest**
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    Oh, I know. Whatever.....

    Apparently I'm wasting $100's of dollars asking a question that will save me $100's down the road. So stupid of me!

    On the Interwebs; everyone knows you better than you know yourself!

    Flowtron (Joe) apparently knows how much i make or how much i waste!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
    Oh, I know. Whatever.....

    Apparently I'm wasting $100's of dollars asking a question that will save me $100's down the road. So stupid of me!

    On the Interwebs; everyone knows you better than you know yourself!

    Flowtron (Joe) apparently knows how much i make or how much i waste!
    You're so sensitive.

    Just sayin, you seem like a smart guy, you apparently work in tight tolerances, I assume you make good money doing that. I assume your time is valuable and you seem to have done a lot of research into this. That is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron View Post
    You're so sensitive.

    Just sayin, you seem like a smart guy, you apparently work in tight tolerances, I assume you make good money doing that. I assume your time is valuable and you seem to have done a lot of research into this. That is all.
    Word. But if I can figure this out, then I've saved more money than I can count. For a longer period of time. I'm stubborn and want to make this work!

    It pisses me off more than just a little, that a guy like myself cannot (per Fox) open up and tweak/rebuild my rear shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
    Word. But if I can figure this out, then I've saved more money than I can count. For a longer period of time. I'm stubborn and want to make this work!

    It pisses me off more than just a little, that a guy like myself cannot (per Fox) open up and tweak/rebuild my rear shock.
    Abandon Fox?

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    Holy crap, I just realized both my bikes (Kona Operator and NomadC) are completely Fox free, because I just put a Monarch on the Nomad this morning. Crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron View Post
    Holy crap, I just realized both my bikes (Kona Operator and NomadC) are completely Fox free, because I just put a Monarch on the Nomad this morning. Crazy.
    And just think of how much time you saved.

    Altho, I'm also pulling for the OP, so maybe I can avoid sending my rp3 back to Push until it's absolutely necessary...
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    Should have the neccessary pieces within a wk. I'll keep 'yall posted, but my questions have been answered elsewhere.

    Alls good in my hood & Fox won't be having the last laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
    Should have the neccessary pieces within a wk. I'll keep 'yall posted, but my questions have been answered elsewhere.

    Alls good in my hood & Fox won't be having the last laugh

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    Buy my RP3. Just in case. As a backup.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
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    KC, this is a RP(2)3. But thanx for playing

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
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    Ummmm. Wrong end of the bike chief

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    Buy my RP3. Just in case. As a backup.

    You should donate it to me for further testing!
    You'll feel good about it later. I promise

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    So, I stalk moar than one forum, here's some discussion on the Monarch. Apparently RS makes it so you can just bolt an adapter to the shock to tweak the gas resi (not the piggyback).

    Nomad ?

    There a link by TNC to a thread he started on the Monarch which is a moar geeky read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
    You should donate it to me for further testing!
    You'll feel good about it later. I promise
    Hey, maybe it being PUSHed for my 2004 Turner Burner with XR rockers and my 165 lbs is exactly the tune for your size and bike. Try it. I mean, buy it...then try it!
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    Hey, maybe it being PUSHed for my 2004 Turner Burner with XR rockers and my 165 lbs is exactly the tune for your size and bike. Try it. I mean, buy it...then try it!
    Let's see... a brand new RP is ~$399 full MSRP. Your's is used, ~3/4 of a decade old, and w/o the new valving, but does have some PUSH voodoo. So, w/ the typical XCguy discount and storage fee, it should be about $450?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    So, I stalk moar than one forum, here's some discussion on the Monarch. Apparently RS makes it so you can just bolt an adapter to the shock to tweak the gas resi (not the piggyback).

    Nomad ?

    There a link by TNC to a thread he started on the Monarch which is a moar geeky read.
    The Monarchs are completely user friendly. The adapter threads into the body to pressurize through a schrader valve. Really simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    KC, this is a RP(2)3. But thanx for playing

    simplicity works on both ends of the bike

    but thanks for playing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Let's see... a brand new RP is ~$399 full MSRP. Your's is used, ~3/4 of a decade old, and w/o the new valving, but does have some PUSH voodoo. So, w/ the typical XCguy discount and storage fee, it should be about $450?
    You got yourself a deal, Pau11y, $450 and it's yours!
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
    simplicity works on both ends of the bike

    but thanks for playing
    True, but you can at least try to get the correct end of the bike this thread is referring to when you make smartass comments? Don't think that's too much to ask
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    True, but you can at least try to get the correct end of the bike this thread is referring to when you make smartass comments? Don't think that's too much to ask
    too bad i don't take the time to know every sad little knick-knack that's being sold to hacks who are more iterested in what the "industry" is selling than riding bikes

    well done

    i'm going to ride my bike now

    probably at valmont, just so i can see just how lame that paeckerx1 hack is

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    You got yourself a deal, Pau11y, $450 and it's yours!
    Check's in the mail chief
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
    too bad i don't take the time to know every sad little knick-knack that's being sold to hacks who are more iterested in what the "industry" is selling than riding bikes
    ...and yet can still express an opinion, despite admittedly knowing nothing. Awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    ...and yet can still express an opinion, despite admittedly knowing nothing. Awesome!
    ^^^exactly



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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
    too bad i don't take the time to know every sad little knick-knack that's being sold to hacks who are more iterested in what the "industry" is selling than riding bikes

    well done

    i'm going to ride my bike now

    probably at valmont, just so i can see just how lame that paeckerx1 hack is

    enjoi your cube
    Rable rable rable.
    Rable rable rable.

    So you admit to not knowing what we're talking about, yet you choose to add to the 3 pages of dribble....

    Go ride. God forbid any of those industry 'knick-knacks' fail you. Cuz you wouldn't know what to do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtn.skratch View Post
    The Monarchs are completely user friendly. The adapter threads into the body to pressurize through a schrader valve. Really simple.
    Just picked up a RP for my Nomad...kinda makes me feel I screwed up. They're coming in a good deal cheaper than the RP too, altho the one I got was on par w/ the Monarch
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
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    Still for sale. This isn't considered spam is it?
    Last edited by xcguy; 06-20-2012 at 05:00 AM.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    Still for sale. This isn't considered spam is it?
    Lemme just say, that if i'm paying outa pocket for a 'new to me' shock....it aint gonna be a Fox.

    Pretty hard up to sell that thing 'eh

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
    Lemme just say, that if i'm paying outa pocket for a 'new to me' shock....it aint gonna be a Fox.

    Pretty hard up to sell that thing 'eh

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeMN View Post
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    So what was the verdict, any one local doing this or is the Moto/sled needle the same? We have nitro @ my work as well as moto/sled needle. My RP3 needs service also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overthehillbilly View Post
    So what was the verdict, any one local doing this or is the Moto/sled needle the same? We have nitro @ my work as well as moto/sled needle. My RP3 needs service also.
    AFAIK the needle is the same. Fox p/n# 802-01-000A

    If you download the link I posted earlier in this thread, there is all the info you need for IFP pressure and depth.
    Lemme know if you wanna help charge mine up too!

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    Here is the follow up for those that care....

    Purchased my nitrogen safety needle from Poly Performance.
    Rebuilt my RP3 and successfully threaded a schrader valve from a donor Fox rear shock to act as my nitro chamber fill valve.
    Therefor I was able to spend under $100 for the nitro safety needle tool AND a donor shock that is allowing me to play with the shim stack(s) and provide some spare parts.
    Now I'll be able to rebuild my shock as many times as I'd like. Along with the other Fox shocks in my house.
    Success.
    Valving assembly


    Schrader valve in place of the grub screw holding 300psi just fine.


    Good to go


    Realized that I am fortunate to have a frame that will allow me to run a schrader valve for the nitro chamber with more than enough room to clear.


    I am using ambient air to pressurize my 'nitrogen chamber' with perfect results.
    I rebuilt the shock last week and proceeded to ride Betasso last Monday since I had to be in Boulder. Shock worked flawlessly. Success.
    I then left last Tues for a wedding/vacation to Florida. Since returning last night I checked the pressures. Lo-n-behold everything was rigth where I had left it.
    I'm using a rubber disk behind the schrader valve and I am essentially 'pinching' the rubber disk after inflating the nitro chamber to seal things off. This allows the rubber disk to hold back the 300+ psi and not put all that pressure upon the schrader valve. This seems to work very well.

    Also, Fox has very good, very detailed instructions on their website for rebuilding the Airshox line of shocks for snowmobiles/ATV's. The pressurizing and depressurizing of the nitro chamber is covered in there.

    Eat your hearts out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
    Shock worked flawlessly. Success.

    Eat your hearts out.

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    Joe,
    Did you do any shim stack tweaking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post


    Joe,
    Did you do any shim stack tweaking?
    This morning i added 3 shims that are progressivley smaller to form a 'pyramid' stack for the compression. Nothing worth noting until i hit the trail with the new setup. I'm trying to get rid of the mid travel 'blow through'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
    This morning i added 3 shims that are progressivley smaller to form a 'pyramid' stack for the compression. Nothing worth noting until i hit the trail with the new setup. I'm trying to get rid of the mid travel 'blow through'.

    sent from my hand-held computer
    A source of reference you may want to check out is the Avalanche Downhill Racing page and this various 'tunes' and how the shim stacking relates to the speed of the rebound and compression. It looks like that RP uses one piston w/ shim stacks on either side for damping duties?
    I believe the large down to small, then large back down to small again is the slow speed, then high speed stack, respectively.

    Edit: http://www.avalanchedownhillracing.c...%20Revalve.pdf
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    ^^ Thanks for that

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    schrader valve for purchase?

    Here is the follow up for those that care....

    Purchased my nitrogen safety needle from Poly Performance.
    Rebuilt my RP3 and successfully threaded a schrader valve from a donor Fox rear shock to act as my nitro chamber fill valve.
    Therefor I was able to spend under $100 for the nitro safety needle tool AND a donor shock that is allowing me to play with the shim stack(s) and provide some spare parts.
    Now I'll be able to rebuild my shock as many times as I'd like. Along with the other Fox shocks in my house.
    Success.
    Valving assembly


    Schrader valve in place of the grub screw holding 300psi just fine.


    Good to go


    Realized that I am fortunate to have a frame that will allow me to run a schrader valve for the nitro chamber with more than enough room to clear.


    I am using ambient air to pressurize my 'nitrogen chamber' with perfect results.
    I rebuilt the shock last week and proceeded to ride Betasso last Monday since I had to be in Boulder. Shock worked flawlessly. Success.
    I then left last Tues for a wedding/vacation to Florida. Since returning last night I checked the pressures. Lo-n-behold everything was rigth where I had left it.
    I'm using a rubber disk behind the schrader valve and I am essentially 'pinching' the rubber disk after inflating the nitro chamber to seal things off. This allows the rubber disk to hold back the 300+ psi and not put all that pressure upon the schrader valve. This seems to work very well.

    Also, Fox has very good, very detailed instructions on their website for rebuilding the Airshox line of shocks for snowmobiles/ATV's. The pressurizing and depressurizing of the nitro chamber is covered in there.

    Eat your hearts out.

    Joe

    Where we can get a shrader valve that fit where the grub screw was?

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    Guys, I reviving this thread to see where I can get my hands on one of the schraeder valves? I've got the same problem on my Float R and don't want to spend the extra $$$ unnecessarily.

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    I had several long pattern schraeder x 1/4" npt valves for piston pumps. I cut off the 1/4npt part, leaving a 5/ 16 shank. I thread this 5/16 x 24. So its now chuck thread x 24 tpi. Finish off the sealing surface where the cut was made to your liking. This will now screw in to the ifp port. Just remember to install the spring or air can first...

    I have converted all 4 of my various fox shocks without issue.

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    I was fortunate enough to get ahold of a Talas rear shock (kinda rare) that i stole the schrader from. Happens to be much longer than the 'normal' schrader found on other fox shocks.
    Any will work, just easier to thread the longer body.

    I have since moved onto a RS Monarh and havn't looked back!
    I really appreciate a company that not only sells an IFP tool, but also posts FULL rebuilds of thier shocks :thumbup:

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomegrownMN View Post
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    I have since moved onto a RS Monarh and havn't looked back!
    I really appreciate a company that not only sells an IFP tool, but also posts FULL rebuilds of thier shocks :thumbup:
    When are you going to learn to listen to me?!?

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    schrader valve

    1niceride: You mentioned modifying a 1/4 npt piston valve. I've been searching for these everywhere. Do you have a link, pic, and more specifics on where you got this from? Send it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbanito23 View Post
    1niceride: You mentioned modifying a 1/4 npt piston valve. I've been searching for these everywhere. Do you have a link, pic, and more specifics on where you got this from? Send it on.
    The valves I use are used in older piston domestic water pumps. The pumps are double acting and on one side there is a schrader valve with a light spring in the core. They suck in air to keep the pump tank fed with air and then back check. The ones I've had are 40 years old, nos as they say. I'm sure one can still get them, try a water pump dealer in town. You will need to change out the core as the origional one is too long once one cuts off the 1/4npt side. Any shock or tire core works since they are half the length. I used 2 valve stem lock nuts tightened together to hold the valve while threading. I serviced 4 fox shocks using them with no issues or leaks.

    Also serviced my Noleen shock for my linkage fork and made an air valve for it. Setting the ifp was different then on the fox. That Noleen was a pita the first time I did it.

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