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    psa to all you fat bikers

    hey, just alittle help for you

    we all know fat biking it kind a pointless, but that's maybe just me

    snow is for snow sports not for bike riding, i know that might be hard to understand

    BUT just like mud don't go out there and trash the trails with your big six inch wheels, I'm about done dealing with a big rut down the middle of a trail, my cross country skis don't exactly glide to well where you **** up the trail because you can't seem to get up the slippery hill so you just crap it all up,

    give it a brake, if the snow is soft like mud don't destroy the trails and rune my ski experence

    fat bike fad will prolly be gone in another year just like 29ers

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    Yeah, but fat bikes are really cool.

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    Yup.

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    Learn to ski!

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    this thread delivers teh lulz

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    So... you want fat bikers to write runes along the trail to make your experience better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper roo View Post
    hey, just alittle help for you

    we all know fat biking it kind a pointless, but that's maybe just me

    snow is for snow sports not for bike riding, i know that might be hard to understand

    BUT just like mud don't go out there and trash the trails with your big six inch wheels, I'm about done dealing with a big rut down the middle of a trail, my cross country skis don't exactly glide to well where you **** up the trail because you can't seem to get up the slippery hill so you just crap it all up,

    give it a brake, if the snow is soft like mud don't destroy the trails and rune my ski experence

    fat bike fad will prolly be gone in another year just like 29ers
    Maybe YOU need a new winter pastime, like, being a sniveling, whining beotch behind a computer keyboard.
    Oh, my bad, you already have that down. And learn to spell you moron.
    Go whine on some ski forum.
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    first ride this morning was hard - first bike on the trail and I had to push it up many of the uphills (I do not have a fat bike)

    the second ride of the day made me really appreciate the fat bike fad - there must've been a group of 4 fat bikers that laid down a super nice trail - very much appreciated!!

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    OP is an ass. Guess what, I ride all year. Deal with it.

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    Ha ha, great classic MTBR bi*chfest post! As a Nordic and backcountry skier I can see where the OP is coming from. Bikes - fat bikes included- can make a mess of an XC ski track. Fat bikes are fine in the right place, but maybe those who are into them should consider their impacts on others when they decide where to ride. Think about how MTBers whine about horses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper roo View Post
    snow is for snow sports not for bike riding, i know that might be hard to understand
    Fat biking *is* a snow sport.

    Also, please work on your grammar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper roo View Post
    my cross country skis don't exactly glide to well
    If you ever wondered where the term "Nordork" came from, now you know.

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    So this isn't about overweight cyclists? I was all offended.


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    Where were the complaints when we were using skinnier-tire bikes on the trails???

    Oh wait, they were all directed to the snowshoers! Doh!

    Trolls need to toughen up and stop whining.

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    psa to all you fat bikers

    Snowshoes, fat skis, splitboards, and now fat bikes? Won't someone please think of the skin track?

    99% of the problems and questions posted here would be answered if people actually walked into a bicycle shop and asked

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    haha I thought this was just sarcasm at first but maybe not as no response from the OP who knows; or who cares just ride it man.

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    Can't wait to get my fatty built.
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    Just wondering how many ski trails there are that are not open to bicycles. I'm thinking there are plenty.

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    It's a shame he didn't name the trail… I would organize a group ride there ASAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71 View Post
    Can't wait to get my fatty built.
    Ahhhhhhh, Moto ice racing tires!!?? I used to spend every new years eve putting screws in moto tires to get ready for the first race of the season. Those were some good times!!
    Looking at the hubs I'm guessing KTM...

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    Yeah, it's probably a tug. A random one because they got a lecture from a xc skier while they were biking. The only problem with xc skiing is that...its sometimes serious. Like serious xc biking.

    I'm serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71 View Post
    Can't wait to get my fatty built.
    Those kick some arse. You can do a 45 degree turn on ice and hold it!

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    Ripper is a professional troll. He knows it, he doesn't care, he sucks people in everytime.

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    Same crap being posted here....

    http://www.xcskiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2948

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    I never knew there was a Nordic forum! It was just like I imagined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waafoo View Post
    Ahhhhhhh, Moto ice racing tires!!?? I used to spend every new years eve putting screws in moto tires to get ready for the first race of the season. Those were some good times!!
    Looking at the hubs I'm guessing KTM...
    Whereabouts did you race?

    Yep, it's a KTM 300. But those are actually studs, not screws. They're designed for ice/bare frozen ground/packed powder. Not much good in deep snow and they can't hang with real ice screw tires.

    Ice screws look like a ton of fun, but apparently they only last one ride if you ride on anything but pure ice/snow.
    Happiness is a warm 2 stroke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71 View Post
    Whereabouts did you race?

    Yep, it's a KTM 300. But those are actually studs, not screws. They're designed for ice/bare frozen ground/packed powder. Not much good in deep snow and they can't hang with real ice screw tires.

    Ice screws look like a ton of fun, but apparently they only last one ride if you ride on anything but pure ice/snow.
    I raced a bunch at Rainbow Falls, was to 200cc state champ a few times.I got to race against Clint Vasholtz (Multiple Pikes Peak winner on bikes and stock cars) when we were on 80cc bikes. They put us with the 125s because there were just 3 of us on 80s, Clint beat them all, even the 125s!! What a day!
    The new tires with the one inch screws are just ridicules on the ice! Once the pro motoX guys got a hold of them the level of competition went ballistic! Fourth gear pinned for 8 laps, I could barley hold on.So sick!
    Your right about those studs, you didn't dare let them touch anything but ICE.... Happy trails, your set up looks fun!!

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    I miss racing cars at Rainbow Falls (usually on the smaller lake, next to the bikes) with the PPSCC folks

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    When I fat bike in the snow, I drag a pair of xc skis behind to cover my tracks.

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    When I fat bike in the snow, I drag a nordork behind to cover my tracks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper roo View Post
    snow is for snow sports not for bike riding,

    BUT just like mud don't go out there and trash the trails with your big six inch wheels,

    fat bike fad will prolly be gone in another year just like 29ers
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    You have just been mentally Rick Roll'd. Yup you're thinking about it right now aren't you? Don't fight it.

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    Moot point. In two days, reefer will be legal and everyone will be too stoned to get up off the couch.

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    psa to all you fat bikers

    Better call the wambulance, Amber alert.... http://youtu.be/ht2pEivC5sQ



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    It's okay, as long as your grooming has separate and marked skate, classic, snowshoe, fatbike, and hiking/non-winter-mtb/canine tracks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3nf View Post
    I miss racing cars at Rainbow Falls (usually on the smaller lake, next to the bikes) with the PPSCC folks
    Oh yeah, I loved to do that as well! One year I took my rally car up there with 1000 moto Ice racing studs in the tires, it worked good!

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    I'll tell you I am the most extream cross country skiier out there. Unfortunatly, i did fall into a big fat bike rut monday morning and twisted my ankel and had to call search and rescue to come get me, I think my season of cross counrty skiing might be over. All thanks to fat bikers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper roo View Post
    I'll tell you I am the most extream cross country skiier out there. Unfortunatly, i did fall into a big fat bike rut monday morning and twisted my ankel and had to call search and rescue to come get me, I think my season of cross counrty skiing might be over. All thanks to fat bikers.
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    Was it that big deep rut just as you come up into the trees? That one was a *****, f**kiing fat bikers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waafoo View Post
    I raced a bunch at Rainbow Falls, was to 200cc state champ a few times.I got to race against Clint Vasholtz (Multiple Pikes Peak winner on bikes and stock cars) when we were on 80cc bikes. They put us with the 125s because there were just 3 of us on 80s, Clint beat them all, even the 125s!! What a day!
    The new tires with the one inch screws are just ridicules on the ice! Once the pro motoX guys got a hold of them the level of competition went ballistic! Fourth gear pinned for 8 laps, I could barley hold on.So sick!
    Your right about those studs, you didn't dare let them touch anything but ICE.... Happy trails, your set up looks fun!!
    Sounds like you got the skills! I'll have to give ice racing a try one of these winters, it looks like a ton of fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper roo View Post
    Happiest new year biatches, hope 2014 rocks for you.
    Ha ha! Same to you, ripper roo!
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    this thread reminds me of a funny sign from a few winters ago:

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    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    this thread reminds me of a funny sign from a few winters ago:
    Hilarious. Brings me back to the 90s when skiers hated snowboarders!
    You have just been mentally Rick Roll'd. Yup you're thinking about it right now aren't you? Don't fight it.

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    psa to all you fat bikers

    Now everyone just hates telemarkers

    Ripper roo knows all about that.
    99% of the problems and questions posted here would be answered if people actually walked into a bicycle shop and asked

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    Apologies ripper roo, as an ambassador of fat biking let me remind everybody the first rule of fat biking etiquette. Do not go fat biking in soft or flaccid conditions. I post this image for purposes of positive reinforcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu View Post
    Hilarious. Brings me back to the 90s when skiers hated snowboarders!
    I thought we still did. F**kin knuckle draggers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    I thought we still did. F**kin knuckle draggers.


    bah.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydoug View Post
    Apologies ripper roo, as an ambassador of fat biking let me remind everybody the first rule of fat biking etiquette. Do not go fat biking in soft or flaccid conditions. I post this image for purposes of positive reinforcement.
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    This thread is priceless!
    I can just imagine the uptight XC skier, all red in the face and shaking, trying not to spill his glass of white wine all over the keyboard.
    Reminds me of ancient Nordic proverb I once overheard "The 80's called and wants their ski's back dork!"
    This is a BIKE forum BTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikenIke View Post
    I can just imagine the uptight XC skier, all red in the face and shaking, trying not to spill his glass of white wine all over the keyboard.
    lololol.

    Hey OP, where do you ride? Might need to call up a few of my snow mobile friends. They make amazing snownuts that promote excellent XC courses!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikenIke View Post
    This thread is priceless!
    I can just imagine the uptight XC skier, all red in the face and shaking, trying not to spill his glass of white wine all over the keyboard.
    Reminds me of ancient Nordic proverb I once overheard "The 80's called and wants their ski's back dork!"
    This is a BIKE forum BTW.
    Kind of like the typical MTBR thread where MTBers talk about horses except they spill really crappy beer on their keyboards.

    It's all about toeing the tribes line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikenIke View Post
    This thread is priceless!
    I can just imagine the uptight XC skier, all red in the face and shaking, trying not to spill his glass of white wine all over the keyboard.
    Reminds me of ancient Nordic proverb I once overheard "The 80's called and wants their ski's back dork!"
    This is a BIKE forum BTW.
    this is a bike forum, it's about bikes destroying the winter bliss that exists on perfect snow for my classic cross country skis

    now who got a photo of the chick I'm seeing right now?????!!!!!!!! warm in the winter shaded in the summer

    love the white whine immage, too bad I dont really drink, my head band on, glass of wine, the intellectual anger of an anon. internet forum

    I do have a couple bottles of sparkling grape juice in the fridge, does that count? (when things do get crazy I brake one of those out, like nye one came out, pop'd the cork and got alittle silly)

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    51 replies to your stupid thread, and you are still not satisfied. Your spelling sucks dude.

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    Picture of ripper roo on "his" trails. As you can clearly see, ripper can't handle increased competition for the ladies. These four in "hard" conditions, did more trail damage than a herd of moose stumbling through an unbroken section of winter backcountry multi-use trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    I thought we still did. F**kin knuckle draggers.
    You're making me all nostalgic...thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by brokefork View Post
    51 replies to your stupid thread, and you are still not satisfied. Your spelling sucks dude.
    His punctuation, or lack there of, isn't helping either.
    You have just been mentally Rick Roll'd. Yup you're thinking about it right now aren't you? Don't fight it.

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    Re: psa to all you fat bikers

    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    I thought we still did. F**kin knuckle draggers.
    I'm confused... I thought we hated telemarkers, people who brag incessantly about dawn patrol and gapers now? Wait did this happen at the same meeting where we changed the meaning of for to from? Cuz I missed that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigkat273 View Post
    I'm confused... I thought we hated telemarkers, people who brag incessantly about dawn patrol and gapers now? Wait did this happen at the same meeting where we changed the meaning of for to from? Cuz I missed that one.
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    You have just been mentally Rick Roll'd. Yup you're thinking about it right now aren't you? Don't fight it.

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    Dear fatbikers:

    Please hurry up with ruining our local trails after the latest storm. I tried to ride today with my 29er (2.3" front, 2.1" rear") and it wasn't very fun. I need you guys to pack it down a bit more. Sorry XC skiers.

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    This thread brings the douche, nice work.

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    We need the Chicken to say this thread brings the lulz. But he is probably off fatbiking Nordic trails instead of trolling mtbr.
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    Nah, he does Buchanan on his SS crossbike. You guys are pussies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigkat273 View Post
    I'm confused... I thought we hated telemarkers, people who brag incessantly about dawn patrol and gapers now? Wait did this happen at the same meeting where we changed the meaning of for to from? Cuz I missed that one.
    No, no, it's still snowboarders. Some things just never go out of style.

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    What I can't figure out is who has the right of way? The DB on the bike or the DB on the skis?
    Gone are the days we stopped to decide,
    Where we should go,
    We just ride...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ignazjr View Post
    We need the Chicken to say this thread brings the lulz. But he is probably off fatbiking Nordic trails instead of trolling mtbr.
    Well, a skier can go off the packed trail and it's not a big deal.

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    psa to all you fat bikers

    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Well, a skier can go off the packed trail and it's not a big deal.
    My experience has been a fat bike can carry snowshoes and break trail so all you sensitive xc skiers will feel more inclined to go deeper into the backcountry multi-use trails.

    Also if your skiing requires perfect conditions, why don't you hit a ski only trail or pay up and spend $15 for a xc ski ticket to get those groomed conditions you seek.



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    The new horizon of hate is for dorks who ski Dynafits full time at resorts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron View Post
    The new horizon of hate is for dorks who ski Dynafits full time at resorts.
    There you go, makes fat bikers look tough, oh-right they are, they ride there bike in the snow and cold, my bad

    What about skin suits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jugdish View Post
    What I can't figure out is who has the right of way? The DB on the bike or the DB on the skis?
    I've always wondered about that- downhill bikers should yield to uphill riders, and uphill nordic skiers yield to downhill skiers, but what happens when a downhill skier encounters an uphill biker?

    I was riding down the Clear Creek bike path one snowy day and came across a scene with xc skiers, snowshoers, a bike rider, and some guy on a mountain unicycle. Instead of the IMBA triangle yield sign, we'd need something with about twelve sides and some flowcharts in the middle to figure out the rules.

    We could call it the dodorkahedron.

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    psa to all you fat bikers

    Ive really gotten into stove-piping lately. Helps pass the time until I can ride my horses on muddy trails again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydoug View Post
    My experience has been a fat bike can carry snowshoes and break trail so all you sensitive xc skiers will feel more inclined to go deeper into the backcountry multi-use trails.

    Also if your skiing requires perfect conditions, why don't you hit a ski only trail or pay up and spend $15 for a xc ski ticket to get those groomed conditions you seek.



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    Not following the first part. A fat bike can carry snowshoes and break trail? Not sure what you're implying there.

    As to the second part, it's bikes that require a well packed trail, not skis
    I BC ski (a lot) and kick n glide ski tour on the same trails I ride my bike on in the snow free months. A packed trail is nice for either of those option, mostly kick n glide but not required. I also have a season pass that's good for three Nordic centers that I ski at regularly, so yes, I do pay to ski groomed trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper roo View Post
    There you go, makes fat bikers look tough, oh-right they are, they ride there bike in the snow and cold, my bad

    What about skin suits?
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    I'm probably the wrong guy to ask for an unbiased opinion, but skinsuits are cool on everybody except rando racers....mostly because a lot of rando guys can't commit and wear things that look like undersized skydiving suits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBitey View Post
    Ive really gotten into stove-piping lately. Helps pass the time until I can ride my horses on muddy trails again.
    Stove piping in general is risky but stove piping with a horse is porn star material.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Not following the first part. A fat bike can carry snowshoes and break trail? Not sure what you're implying there.

    As to the second part, it's bikes that require a well packed trail, not skis
    I BC ski (a lot) and kick n glide ski tour on the same trails I ride my bike on in the snow free months. A packed trail is nice for either of those option, mostly kick n glide but not required. I also have a season pass that's good for three Nordic centers that I ski at regularly, so yes, I do pay to ski groomed trails.
    Fat bikes do need medium packed powder conditions to ride. Benefit of a fat bike is I can cover terrain faster until the packed trail ends. I then break the snowshoes out for hike a bike going where the xc skiers and snowshoes generally don 't go. My observation is once trail is broken it entices other users to follow it, eventually making it rideable for fat bikes. Does that make sense zrm?


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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydoug View Post
    Benefit of a fat bike is I can cover terrain faster until the packed trail ends. I then break the snowshoes out for hike a bike going where the xc skiers and snowshoes generally don 't go.

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    xc skier vs phat bike, I don't think a fat bike is faster than a xc skiier uphill or downhill

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    There's already a good video (can't find it right now) and other shorter vids. Fatbikes won up, down and flat.
    In deeper powder 8 (inches plus) fatbikes do get hosed though.
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    you'd need to establish some sort of skill level baseline though. My wife is an "xc skier" in the sense that we go out to devils thumb every other year.

    Knowing some peeps who are pretty freaking fast on ski's, I'd wager that the skier pointy end of things is faster than the pointy end of the fat bike group - condition dependent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt Disney's Frozen Head View Post
    you'd need to establish some sort of skill level baseline though. My wife is an "xc skier" in the sense that we go out to devils thumb every other year.

    Knowing some peeps who are pretty freaking fast on ski's, I'd wager that the skier pointy end of things is faster than the pointy end of the fat bike group - condition dependent
    Yeah, it's like MTBR guys who talk a lot about how they passed road riders (always wearing spandex of course) on their MTBs. Well, I too can pass casual, slow people on road bikes while riding my MTB on the road, but there's no way I can keep up with fast road riders on road bikes on my MTB.
    Same thing with XC skis. I think most people who aren't into the sport have any clue just how fast someone who is good can travel on skis. The last race I did on skate skis was a 15k on a course with a lot of hills which I did in something along the line of 39 minutes and I was upper middle of the pack. An elite level skier is a good 5-7 min faster than that on a 15K. For me that's something like 12 miles an hour which is faster than I can average on my MTB. Classic race times are generally about 5-10% slower than skating.
    Of course this is on groomed trails. On an ungroomed singletrack type trail snow conditions are going to play a big role in speed along with how motivated you are to go fast, just like on bikes, I don't always feel like pushing the pace but even though I'm not nearly as fast and fit as I was in my racing days, but I can still cover a lot of ground on skis when I'm concentrating on going fast. XC skiing is very much a game of technique as well as fitness - someone with a big motor who doesn't know how to ski can easily be beat by someone who isn't as fit but knows how to ski efficiently. Plus, while soft snow will slow you down on skis, a wheel is going to be bogged down proportionately a lot more as the snow gets softer compared to a ski - even a skinny ski, until a wheel gets to the point where it will simply not roll (as Dirty Doug pointed out above, can't say hike a biking using snow shoes would be something I'd be interested in doing but to each their own).

    Anyway, as much as I love cycling, Fat bikes don't interest me much - skiing is just too much fun and to my mind a better way to enjoy snow. If others like it though, I'm all for people traveling under their own power and enjoying the outdoors. Just be mindful of your impacts on the other people you share the trail with and don't ride where you're not allowed (eg: groomed Nordic trails that don't allow wheels) - just because you can do something, doesn't always mean you should. For all Rip's childish trollishness in the vast majority of his posts, If you strip away his post to it's essence, the OP did have a valid point to consider. I know skiers, people who are passionate hard core MTBers in the snow free months who take that passion to skis in the winter,who aren't thrilled with the impacts of fat bikes in some conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    If you strip away his post to it's essence, the OP did have a valid point to consider. I know skiers, people who are passionate hard core MTBers in the snow free months who take that passion to skis in the winter,who aren't thrilled with the impacts of fat bikes in some conditions.
    So I had burritos last night, and let me tell ya, this morning (at work) was rough. But I recently found a nice quaint spot to take care of my business, downstairs.
    I wash up and come out and a couple of the guys from the IT dept are there, and boy they were PISSED that I was stankin up their public sh1tter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Yeah, it's like MTBR guys who talk a lot about how they passed road riders (always wearing spandex of course) on their MTBs. Well, I too can pass casual, slow people on road bikes while riding my MTB on the road, but there's no way I can keep up with fast road riders on road bikes on my MTB.
    Same thing with XC skis. I think most people who aren't into the sport have any clue just how fast someone who is good can travel on skis. The last race I did on skate skis was a 15k on a course with a lot of hills which I did in something along the line of 39 minutes and I was upper middle of the pack. An elite level skier is a good 5-7 min faster than that on a 15K. For me that's something like 12 miles an hour which is faster than I can average on my MTB. Classic race times are generally about 5-10% slower than skating.
    Of course this is on groomed trails. On an ungroomed singletrack type trail snow conditions are going to play a big role in speed along with how motivated you are to go fast, just like on bikes, I don't always feel like pushing the pace but even though I'm not nearly as fast and fit as I was in my racing days, but I can still cover a lot of ground on skis when I'm concentrating on going fast. XC skiing is very much a game of technique as well as fitness - someone with a big motor who doesn't know how to ski can easily be beat by someone who isn't as fit but knows how to ski efficiently. Plus, while soft snow will slow you down on skis, a wheel is going to be bogged down proportionately a lot more as the snow gets softer compared to a ski - even a skinny ski, until a wheel gets to the point where it will simply not roll (as Dirty Doug pointed out above, can't say hike a biking using snow shoes would be something I'd be interested in doing but to each their own).

    Anyway, as much as I love cycling, Fat bikes don't interest me much - skiing is just too much fun and to my mind a better way to enjoy snow. If others like it though, I'm all for people traveling under their own power and enjoying the outdoors. Just be mindful of your impacts on the other people you share the trail with and don't ride where you're not allowed (eg: groomed Nordic trails that don't allow wheels) - just because you can do something, doesn't always mean you should. For all Rip's childish trollishness in the vast majority of his posts, If you strip away his post to it's essence, the OP did have a valid point to consider. I know skiers, people who are passionate hard core MTBers in the snow free months who take that passion to skis in the winter,who aren't thrilled with the impacts of fat bikes in some conditions.
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    Cross bike with studded 700x35's would clean house on that course.

    Fat bike rider clearly handicapped. Boat anchor going uphill it looks like.

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    Snow conditions and the course terrain will greatly influence outcome. Short distance race less than or equal to 15 K it will be pretty close. The difference is when it gets greater than 15k the fat bikes start to get an advantage. Look at results for some of the ultra endurance races such as arrowhead 135 or iditabike. Fat bikes finish hours and sometimes days in front of the nordick skiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    So I had burritos last night, and let me tell ya, this morning (at work) was rough. But I recently found a nice quaint spot to take care of my business, downstairs.
    I wash up and come out and a couple of the guys from the IT dept are there, and boy they were PISSED that I was stankin up their public sh1tter.
    So yeah, sh1t runs deeeep in these parts. That pun was intended.
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    damn little bitey, we know you like stovepiping but do you also like laying tracks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSJ1973 View Post
    Cross bike with studded 700x35's would clean house on that course.

    Fat bike rider clearly handicapped. Boat anchor going uphill it looks like.
    No way, skis are fast. Here's an accurate video of what nordic skiing looks like:

    Traditional Nordic Skiing

    (well, not really... and I'm slow on both a bike and skinny skis)

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    damn little bitey, we know you like stovepiping but do you also like laying tracks?
    Try both simultaneously sometime. Mindblowing.

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    OMG!!!!!!!

    Lipsher: Conflicts grow over biking in the mountains - The Denver Post

    Seems the denver post is now using MTBR as a solid resource for quoting and gathering information about current major issues at hand

    So all ya fat bikers watch out seems like those xc skiers are standing at trail heads with pitchforks in hand

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    Why all the fuss. Fat bikes are just a fad

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    I am surprised Denver Post noticed this board. I figured most of us were a bunch of A-hats that no one took seriously. I mean really, 1/2 of my posts are just looking for a joke.

    From a guy who doesn't ride fat bikes (did I mention I have a HT with studs?)...gotta say as long as you are not doing trail damage the other users need to HTFU. It's a multi-use trail.
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    It's the first result of a google search.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogbie View Post
    It's the first result of a google search.
    The author of the Post column is a Summit COunty local and hardcore MTBer and is well aware of MTBR. He's also a hard core XC/Nordic/Rando race skier when there's snow on the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogbie View Post
    It's the first result of a google search.
    Sweet we're famous! I don't have a speech prepared.

    You have just been mentally Rick Roll'd. Yup you're thinking about it right now aren't you? Don't fight it.

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