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    Project bike

    Got a box this past Wed...
    Waiting on a CCDB from Quebec...





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    Where do you put the water bottle?

    Nice looking bike man. Get it together so I can ride it!

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    Well, that looks pretty darn nice. Normally, I would have to say Disco Sucks but I think we'll have to make an exception in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsj3831
    Well, that looks pretty darn nice. Normally, I would have to say Disco Sucks but I think we'll have to make an exception in this case.

    Coming soon....flying off a cliff somewhere near you.....
    Not a big huck fan. IE can tell you I prefer my bikes pluuuuush...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y
    Not a big huck fan...
    I thought the minimum huck for a Karpiel was 14 feet to flat.

    Never ridden one, but I have a lot of respect for their past creations. Cool to see 'em reemerge.
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    I think it's DunCon that was the driving force to have these frames (Discos and Armys) delivered to the US for this season. Before the sale, the old Karpiel (in Poland) had been sitting on my defective Army for months (last Aug maybe?)!
    Anyway, all reports from BrianHMC is this incarnation of the Disco is NOT like its former self... I'm hoping the lower CG will make the bike less tippy, noticable in my old Army.

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    It's a totally different bike than before.
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    frame weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    frame weight?
    BrianHMC's original post. It's in here somewhere...

    It's complete!!!!!!!!! My New Karpiel Disco!!!!!

    I don't have a scale.

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    I'm glad to see on your bike you have the alien head. On the first batch of bikes they did away with them. When Jan was out here in October, at dinner I made mention that I loved the alien head and said I think it should continue to be the trademark of that model. Hopefully it's here to stay.
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    He should make them green!
    A Disco is not a Disco w/o the LGMs! Honestly tho, I didn't even notice
    Oh, when I was in Roswell, they have those dash-top dancing alien heads on springs... You should try to get one and bolt it to your stem!

    So, is Jan back in the States again?

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    He was here to visit family and meet with me.
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    A CCDB showed up today but with the wrong spring
    The initial feel of the build quality was meh...OK. This may be something buyers of new frames won't ever encounter as their shock will already be mounted, but may show up when adjusting the cams. The powder coat cracked and chipped around the bolt holes for the cam pinch on the main frame. What I get from this is they didn't clean out the hex head recess after powder. This is a very minor nitpick but now there's a chunk of red missing from that area and the white primer showing...

    Some other thoughts:
    - The eccentric cams have stops on them now so you can't push a long 10mm thru both sides and adjust them simultaneously and evenly like I was able to w/ my older (circa 2001) Army. Not too big of a deal to remedy w/ a needle file or Dremel.
    - The headtube is only reamed about 1" deep, making the deep cups of the King SteelSet a non-option, until you take it and have it reamed deeper (yikes.. I'm gonna get it on this one!).
    - I'm not sure if I received a show frame, but there's a descent amount of powder chips in the BB and the disc side rear dropout.
    - The shock fitment... As it's being sent w/ Rocos, the fit of the CCDB limits the bolt hole of the main triangle's cams to the upper half of the circle, and pretty high up in that position at that. This means there isn't much room, using a CCDB, to dial in slacker head angles, at least w/ the upper cam. I think this position turns out to be the more progressive one (for the top cam). The lower still has pretty much the full range so progression and BB height can be tweaked a bit there still.

    Next up, pressing in some Sunline V1 HS cups and Shimano BB cups from the '09 Saints.

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    Edit: can anyone get me a 400x3" Obtainium on a deal?

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    Good luck w/ those V1 headset cups. The ones I put in my Sunday were a little generous on the OD...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser
    Good luck w/ those V1 headset cups. The ones I put in my Sunday were a little generous on the OD...
    It didn't split your head tube did it?

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    Ha, no. Just was a lot more trouble than E-13 reducer cups to install...
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    Good bike. Is it heavy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sindy9001
    Good bike. Is it heavy?
    Doesn't feel very heavy, but that's judging it by feel. I don't have a scale. BrianHMC has a post w/ a pic of it on a scale, fully built. It tipped in at around 41#s. Thread. I'm expecting mine to be a bit heavier, around 45#s or so, and I'm not trying to build light (Saints, older DeMax w/ 36 h rims, i-Sky cushy saddle, Azonic pedals, CCDB, etc).

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    Lookin' good Paul! That's one gnarly looking frame!

    Keep us posted!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    frame weight?
    Because if its light enough you'll need another bike to put in your garage?
    You have just been mentally Rick Roll'd. Yup you're thinking about it right now aren't you? Don't fight it.

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    Paul... I have a digital scale for bikes... I could bring it over for a beer (I'm such a whore)

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    Paul... I have a digital scale for bikes... I could bring it over for a beer (I'm such a whore)
    I think there's like a 1/2 dzn of Coronas sitting in the fridge; I haven't had a beer in close to two months I think...
    Maybe Fri evening since you're Mr. Mom this weekend. You can bring by the Nomad bearing press too

    **I really need to get me one of them scales...

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    Yep, sounds good. I just finished up with the bearing kit and do need to get it back to you.... Will call you Friday.

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    looks good I can't wait to see it in person.
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    have any current pics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian HCM#1
    have any current pics?
    Damn you slave-driving b!tch! j/k
    Going to get a UST tire so I can slap the DeMax's on... then I'll shoot a few...
    An opportunity to visit the new Pedal Pusher





    Edit: no point at Pedal Pusher... It's currently a roadie shop - RM, Orbea, Cannonwhales, Guru(?). Didn't get a chance to talk to the guy much, but sounds/seems like he's still ramping up.

    So pics:

    I need to find a cool head badge for her...


    Unloaded, the head tube angle still look pretty steep



    An Obtainium 450# spring is coming...


    BONE HEAD! Dropped my HS press on her and wrinkled the powder


    Looks like I got the 15th production bike...
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    No wheels. Popped a spoke on the 2nd hand Dee Max trying to true out a hop. Oh well, guess I'll send it back to Mavic to get it reworked.
    Does anyone know where I can get a full set of bearings for a Hadley rear, and what the sizes are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser
    Ha, no. Just was a lot more trouble than E-13 reducer cups to install...
    Ya know... I'm not sure what 2nd rate, online engineering school alum of a designer Sunline tasked for this thing, but he/she needs to be taken out back and beaten like a baby seal! WTF are those bearings not IN the cups and instead, the instruction says to install as one step in the pressing in of the cups?
    Gave me fits to no end! Finally solved the problem w/ two pieces of wood, and two good whacks of a ball-peen!

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    Out of curiosity..why the 888?

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    Quote Originally Posted by $ally Hu$tle
    Out of curiosity..why the 888?
    Spring sprug, relatively light, relatively maint. free, Marz butterness, but nothing beat the fact it was only $830 to my door, NIB.

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    You'll need to remember the chain guide may need to be modified as the mount is not rotated forward enough because of the link. Also remember to cut the bolt flush with the mounting hole or the threaded portion will catch on the link and F everything up.
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    Did you have to pull a link off to install the shock or did it fit with a little maneuvering?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian HCM#1
    Did you have to pull a link off to install the shock or did it fit with a little maneuvering?
    Hehe... notice that did ya?
    No, I slipped the shock in w/ only one of the upper spacers installed. Once in position, I slipped the other one in by shifting the shock around a bit. I'm afraid that when the new spring shows up, I'll have to pull a link to get it back out and in. I'm thinking the main link...
    As for the guide bolts, thanx for the heads up. I typically pull the shock to check anyway...a lesson from the Tomac 204 build. The clearance there is about 1/64, after a good bit of Dremel work!

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    Brian, when you were messing around w/ your shock, did you actually try to slip an Avy in there? I managed to get my 9x3 one in, but the mounting hardware wasn't compatible. Clearance w/ the main link was about 1/32 per side...
    I'm thinking of talking to Craig about putting the hard piece of the Monty on my DHS for the res mount. There's no real good place on this frame to mount that remote res; I want the flat part of the seat mast to sit on when I'm just hanging out on bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y
    Spring sprug, relatively light, relatively maint. free, Marz butterness, but nothing beat the fact it was only $830 to my door, NIB.
    amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y
    Brian, when you were messing around w/ your shock, did you actually try to slip an Avy in there? I managed to get my 9x3 one in, but the mounting hardware wasn't compatible. Clearance w/ the main link was about 1/32 per side...
    I'm thinking of talking to Craig about putting the hard piece of the Monty on my DHS for the res mount. There's no real good place on this frame to mount that remote res; I want the flat part of the seat mast to sit on when I'm just hanging out on bike.
    Nope, I didn't try. I figured the spring would move too much and rub on the links.
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    Had a chance to mess w/ the bike some more tonight to swap out the insufficient steel spring w/ the correct Ti one. WHAT A FRIGGIN' NIGHTMARE! Trying to remove the shock was a complete PITA process! There's no room to wiggle which meant trying to remove a link plate. Long story short, IT SUCKED! So, if someone's getting this frame, get a good rear shock that won't blow out mid-season and force you to have to remove it w/ any frequency (not sure what the longevity of a Roco WC is)...
    On another note, the bearing retaining bolts are those super soft Al chainring bolts. I changed them out w/ some long steel ones of inner ring left over from the days of 5x110/74. The pivots were also in the frame quite uneven. The steel bolts may help to deal w/ things wiggling loose...

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    picture picture picture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y
    Had a chance to mess w/ the bike some more tonight to swap out the insufficient steel spring w/ the correct Ti one. WHAT A FRIGGIN' NIGHTMARE! Trying to remove the shock was a complete PITA process! There's no room to wiggle which meant trying to remove a link plate. Long story short, IT SUCKED! So, if someone's getting this frame, get a good rear shock that won't blow out mid-season and force you to have to remove it w/ any frequency (not sure what the longevity of a Roco WC is)...
    On another note, the bearing retaining bolts are those super soft Al chainring bolts. I changed them out w/ some long steel ones of inner ring left over from the days of 5x110/74. The pivots were also in the frame quite uneven. The steel bolts may help to deal w/ things wiggling loose...
    Sounds like you have a pre-production frame, yes you have to take off one of the upper links, please don't whine (I guess you've never had the honor or removing a shock on a Sunday, that's even worse.) I switched out my bolts also with longer ones. The new production frames are suppose to have longer upper plates where you won't have to remove a link to swap out shocks. Hopefully I'll know for sure when my new frame arrives in a few weeks. It seems like all you've done about this frame is complain and you've never even ridden it. From what I've been told you either got it for free or for very cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by $ally Hu$tle
    picture picture picture
    The only visual change is the spring... Lemme slap some wheels on the thing and have it start looking like a ridable bike before I shoot again.

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    Thanx to IE coming over and setting me straight on priorities...write a paper for grad school or build the Disco. So, another installment of the Karpiel Disco build.

    First thing's first, the bashring mod. I know most of you are going to run the new style w/ the taco so this might be beating on a dead horse. I just feel mo' betta having my ring sit behind a bashring. But, the e.13 bashring won't just bolt to the '09 M815-1 cranks.



    1mm of clearance after the mod


    Free-handed Dremel milling



    CCDB w/ Obtainium 450x3. The SRS and Saint fitting install.


    BrianHMC, there seems to be enough clearance (1mm) between the ISCG mounting bolt tip to link/pivot bolt head.


    I'll still need to space the cranks for chainline which means there'll be spacers fitted between the plate and the mount, so even less threads will be exposed on the back of the ISCG mount.


    I think the guys have fixed the ISGC angle. I can try to rotate the plate to a more 12:00 position (with a bunch more Dremel work), but I think this position might fly.


    The head angle still looks a bit steep. I wonder if anyone makes a drop crown for that fork?


    Brian, on 2nd look, the ISCG might not be quite right. I did some more Dremel work on the SRS bolt holes, added another 1/8" to the curvy slots. Will reshoot the bike tomorrow w/ the "better" SRS position.

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    You need to make the mounting holes even longer. I found the wide e13 backplate works best. With a little bit more modifiying you'll get it perfect. The new e13 guides may work better as the mounting holes are longer.
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    What size shock is on there? You know you can adjust the head angle by turning the upper cams. You should also rotate the lower cam down for max travel. You should be able to get the head angle to about 65 degrees +/-.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian HCM#1
    You need to make the mounting holes even longer. I found the wide e13 backplate works best. With a little bit more modifiying you'll get it perfect. The new e13 guides may work better as the mounting holes are longer.
    The top part of the mod'd (wide) backplate is now sitting pretty much at the 12:00 position. I'll reshoot it later today. I'll also reshoot the BB area w/ the Saint's installed and spaced properly. There's two spacer ring on the drive side, and one on the non-drive side. This spaces out the crankarms pretty evenly against the rear triangle/long axis of the frame and the "Q" puts the neutral off the c'ring at about the 3rd or 4th cog in the back (9spd). I'll need to measure the chainline but I think it's in a pretty ideal location.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian HCM#1
    What size shock is on there? You know you can adjust the head angle by turning the upper cams. You should also rotate the lower cam down for max travel. You should be able to get the head angle to about 65 degrees +/-.
    The upper cam is limited from the position I have it at, to the lower part of the arc. The CCDB's (9.5" i2i) remote rez flares out and stops the cams from going any higher on the arc as it'll bump into the seat tower support plates. On the lower, you're right, I can get it to the lowest position and get some more headtube angle. In it's current position, it's the highest position it can be before the lower link bumps into the BB shell. I'm starting there (along w/ the max mounting possible on the fork) as a baseline to tweak. BTW, as the Disco is config'd in the last full side shot, the bars sits TALLER than my Tomac 204 w/ a Monster T2 at max mounting height! I'm changing those bars to a lower rise, and wider one (Azonic DW 30"<=comes in white!, Sun's V1 745, Dirty Thirty...etc).

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    Its coming together. Get'er done!

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    You'll get WAY more adjustability from a Roco if that's the case. Plus you'll want to rotate the upper cam to get your BB heigth about 14.25. You don't want the lower links resting on the BB shell.
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    Alright peeps, looking for some cool head badge for this puppy. Now accepting suggestions:
    I was thinking of this... or this.

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    Alien head
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian HCM#1
    Alien head
    LOL.
    I was thinking of a bit of red on red w/ the shocker...throw out some subliminal vibes

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