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    The Other Side of Kenosha Nobody Knew Existed

    ......At least not me. Sun is back so I thought I'd get up early and go for a nice ride. Set my alarm for 4:30, hit snooze and didn't get up til 6:30. Damnit! Lost two hours of riding already. Plan was to do both sides of Kenosha until seeing snow covered trails.

    Been to Kenosha a gazillion times but never bothered heading east to explore what's there. Time only permitted me to go to the Lost Creek Wilderness boundary and back. Total only 16.4 miles but for whatever reason, I just had no motivation to ride anymore even if I had the time to do the west side of Kenosha. The views on the east side are just as good as going the west.
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    Very nice! I look forward to getting back up there this year. Always incredible views.

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    Sweet Ko!
    I rode that years ago, and always vowed to go back, but haven't yet.
    The wife said recently I should get a BOB trailer and take the son on a bike-pack trip! YAYHOOOOO!!!!
    Would that be a good spot for it, and for a determined 11 year old to ride/hike-a-bike? I can't remember how difficult it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosayno
    Set my alarm for 4:30, hit snooze and didn't get up til 6:30.
    talk to MGE, he has a natural alarm clock set at 0430.
    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy!
    The wife said recently I should get a BOB trailer and take the son on a bike-pack trip! YAYHOOOOO!!!!
    Would that be a good spot for it, and for a determined 11 year old to ride/hike-a-bike? I can't remember how difficult it is.

    Maybe if you stayed on Lost Park Rd. The trail itself isn't real difficult, but it's not wide singletrack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    talk to MGE, he has a natural alarm clock set at 0430.
    Not only that, but I didn't get home 'til almost midnight riding with him last Thursday.

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    Great Pictures!

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    Awesome Ko! I've been meaning to explore the east side of Kenosha for a while.

    You didn't get home till almost midnight? I thought you lived close to Waterton. I got home around midnight myself but that was with a side trip for food and a stop by the car wash to wash the bike off while I had hypothermic seizures rack my body into a rigid board.

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    mGe is rubbin off on you! want to do kenosha up and down then out on the east side!
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    [QUOTE=mountaingoatepics]

    You didn't get home till almost midnight? I thought you lived close to Waterton.QUOTE]

    I bike faster than I drive. Really though, I own rental property in Roxborough, but I live in east Denver.

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    42 miles out and back to the campground over there.

    It gets better beyond where you went.


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    I've explored some of the side roads in the area hoping for some kind of loop opportunity but nothing has panned out. Pretty, remote feeling area in that rual old Colorado kind of way.

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    Nice pics!!
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    Yeah, that's an uderrated gem.

    I hit it one day when I was looking for the trail less traveled. 16 miles of quality singletrack and nary a soul in sight.
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    Great pics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    42 miles out and back to the campground over there.

    It gets better beyond where you went.

    It does and is even more remote.

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    Decided to give another go today. I had unfinished business from last week. I even got up at 4am today after only 3 hrs of sleep.

    Weather was perfect, and riding was better. Somehow managed to wander off the Colorado trail at the Long Gulch trailhead and didn't know it 'til I made the way back there.The last climb back to Kenosha was brutal when you've already been out for 5+ hrs. I was feeling pretty exhausted the second half of the ride Would've been nicer to finish on the 7 miles of open meadows downhill to Lost Park campground. I should've listened to SkaredShtles's advice and made the extra drive there.

    All in all, 8.5 hrs total, 6 hrs on the saddle and 41.6 miles.
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    Ooooooooooooooooooooooh yeah.

    Thanks for sharing those pics.

    I wouldn't leave you astray. Maybe next time we can do that ride together... but as a shuttle.

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    I keep coming back to this... Just awesome looking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosayno
    I should've listened to SkaredShtles's advice
    Not something you read every day, but nice job anyway!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy!
    Not something you read every day, but nice job anyway!!!
    You know what they say... with age comes wisdom. Everyone comes around eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Ooooooooooooooooooooooh yeah.

    Thanks for sharing those pics.

    I wouldn't leave you astray. Maybe next time we can do that ride together... but as a shuttle.

    As long as you do the driving and I do the riding. Does that mean I have to bring FF and pads?

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    i hear there is some sasquatch up there.....beware!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosayno
    As long as you do the driving and I do the riding. Does that mean I have to bring FF and pads?
    Nah - we'll make sure it's an "Apex Shuttle."

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    that climb

    back up is def tough at the end of the day. Looks like you had great weather and a fine ride. A few of us rocked that in a 50 mile super secret loop version a couple weeks ago.

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    Love that section of the ct you see very few people usually. I like driving in lost park road to start exploring.
    I'll ride back toward Ken. till it starts to get crowded, then head back other way.
    The ct trail wilderness alternate is not very long and this year I would like to spend more time exploring.
    further in toward Platte Springs/Tarryall. Anyone ridden around there ?

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    Here's a little extra from that area.

    Unfortunately, the wilderness prevents this from being much more than a fairly short out-and-back. The really irritating thing is there could be a ciller loop but the wilderness reaches out and grabs just a short bit of trail forcing two widely separated out-and-backs where there could be one great loop.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fischman
    a short bit of trail
    I dont believe it is illegal to walk your bike through this section.
    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    I dont believe it is illegal to walk your bike through this section.
    I was having this discussion last weekend, what is he interpretation of the rule ? Can you push your bike through ? I know that wheeled carts are outlawed ; so I think that pushing your bike through might be illegal as well. I do believe it is OK to carry your bike through though.

    Anyone know what the rules are ?

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    36 CFR 261.57(h) Prohibits even possession of a wheeled mechanical device in a wilderness area. Walking your bike is still illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fischman
    The really irritating thing is there could be a ciller loop but the wilderness reaches out and grabs just a short bit of trail forcing two widely separated out-and-backs where there could be one great loop.


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    Depends how you look at it. The fire road isn't really an issue to me. It just happens to be in the middle of the ride...whereas such rides as Indian Creek loop or CT to Platte River have the 6 mi. fireroad at the beginning and the end and it's accepted. Depending what loops you do at BC, you have the 543 and 550 service road there as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosayno
    Depends how you look at it. The fire road isn't really an issue to me.
    The fire road "detour" in this case is quite monstrous.

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    As MR said - it is illegal to simply possess a bike in wilderness area. So you can't even take it apart and carry it over that section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    I dont believe it is illegal to walk your bike through this section.
    Hmm... I am pretty sure that is illegal as well. However, you are allowed to carry the bike through. So, figure another 3-4 hour hike with a 25-30 pound bike strapped to your camelbak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    As MR said - it is illegal to simply possess a bike in wilderness area. So you can't even take it apart and carry it over that section.
    Possession WITHOUT intent, c'mon Who runs this forest circus...


    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers
    Hmm... I am pretty sure that is illegal as well. However, you are allowed to carry the bike through. So, figure another 3-4 hour hike with a 25-30 pound bike strapped to your camelbak.

    I've seen trail reports where riders did just that
    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    Possession WITHOUT intent, c'mon Who runs this forest circus...
    I believe that would be one of Colorado's former elected officials in the Department of the Interior?



    EDIT: Oops. That's the BLM. Department of Agriculture is USFS.

    This guy:



    (Former) Governor of Iowa. Iowa? They have Wilderness in IOWA?

    And yet again I must edit this (ugh!). Both Federal Departments manage Wilderness Areas. It just depends on which land it is on.

    This is a really great Website (http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm), whether or not you believe in the Wilderness Act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers
    Hmm... I am pretty sure that is illegal as well. However, you are allowed to carry the bike through. So, figure another 3-4 hour hike with a 25-30 pound bike strapped to your camelbak.
    Nope. You're breaking the law if you hike through with your bike on your back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    <snip>

    I've seen trail reports where riders did just that
    I've seen the same. If you don't get caught, then there's not much of an issue. And I seriously doubt you'd get in much trouble if you were caught and simply feigned ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    I seriously doubt you'd get in much trouble if you were caught and simply feigned ignorance.
    I would certainly hope not


    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers
    whether or not you believe in the Wilderness Act.
    I most certainly do.

    I wont blame one individual for the laws regarding bikes carried through wilderness.
    BUT


    I think we make laws in this country based on what the biggest idiot would do in a given situation, and it screws us all.

    Cue schnawzers political rant.....
    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    I would certainly hope not




    I most certainly do.

    I wont blame one individual for the laws regarding bikes carried through wilderness.
    BUT


    I think we make laws in this country based on what the biggest idiot would do in a given situation, and it screws us all.

    Cue schnawzers political rant.....
    Nah, I ain't gonna rant. That's why I stayed in the middle with "whether you believe in the Wilderness Act or not". There's bigger and better things to politically rant about . I'm saving them up for one big spew .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    The fire road "detour" in this case is quite monstrous.

    It's a little tougher than Waterton Canyon, but it's <5 mi. from Rock Creek TH to Long Gulch TH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosayno
    It's a little tougher than Waterton Canyon, but it's <5 mi. from Rock Creek TH to Long Gulch TH.
    Ahhh... sorry. Thought we were talking about the Colorado Trail section that hooks over to Buffalo Creek. The FS detour around that one is monstrous. You're right about the "detour" for this ride...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Ahhh... sorry. Thought we were talking about the Colorado Trail section that hooks over to Buffalo Creek. The FS detour around that one is monstrous. You're right about the "detour" for this ride...

    Oh, you meant THAT detour. Yes, the Taryall detour is HUGE! Nevertheless, I wouldn't call The CT east of Kenosha a short ride as Fishman mentioned.

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    Great pics!!

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    Good stuff... I think I'll give this section a go Sunday morning.

    Anyone know how much snow is left and how far you can get going west from Kenosha Pass now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by topmounter
    Good stuff... I think I'll give this section a go Sunday morning.

    Anyone know how much snow is left and how far you can get going west from Kenosha Pass now?
    Last I'd heard there was still snow problems SHORTLY after the crossing of Jefferson Creek.

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    I rode the east side on Saturday... this is a very nice section of trail. It's just a shame that it is only 6.5 miles each way with no on-trail loop options, but it is a pretty nice out-n-back with some great views.. There were some folks doing trail maintenance, so it could use some more bike traffic to pack down the trail bed.

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    I thought I'd take SakredShuttles advice & roll down CR56, then park midway at Rock Creek CG, but the pimpy-low 45s on my car were not at all happy with that dirt, so I went back up to Kenosha CG & started.
    Fun stuff...chatted w/about 6 through hikers on the way down/back, all in great spirits.....maybe I'll go to Apex tomorrow around noon to see if the attitudes are similar.

    Quote Originally Posted by kosayno
    ....The last climb back to Kenosha was brutal when you've already been out for 5+ hrs. I was feeling pretty exhausted the second half of the ride Would've been nicer to finish on the 7 miles of open meadows downhill to Lost Park campground. I should've listened to SkaredShtles's advice and made the extra drive there.
    ko- you ain't kidding about that ending...I was still feeling great just before it, so I thought I might cross the street & try to get to Jefferson CG, but that grind took everything outta me.


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