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    Is it okay to clothes-line downhillers on Apex?

    There was a single downhiller shuttling Apex on Sunday. He/she was out of control on a black Yeti AS-X. I wanted to say something but I didn't have time. I guess downhillers have the right-of-way.

    I'm all for shredding downhill, but what an idiot.

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    You've got to be effing kidding me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iloveroadies
    There was a single downhiller shuttling Apex on Sunday. He/she was out of control on a black Yeti AS-X. I wanted to say something but I didn't have time. I guess downhillers have the right-of-way.

    I'm all for shredding downhill, but what an idiot.
    Can we just add a dozen flames, 10 "dh'ers sux" comments, 10 more "lycra sux" comments and 2 dozen ways to say "why can't everyone just get along" and just call this thread over before it starts??

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    How do you know he/she was shuttlin'?

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    On a yeti, huh. That's horrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iloveroadies
    I'm all for shredding downhill, but what an idiot.
    I sympathize. This is my attitude, too.

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    Hard to shuttle being alone. Why do you all feel the compulsive need to ***** about downhillers on mtbr, do you think you're making the world a better place or something?

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    He/she passed me twice and just about killed me both times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iloveroadies
    He/she passed me twice and just about killed me both times.
    Sucks. Do you think he/she is reading this now, or do you think you're probably preaching to the choir? I re-ask, do you think you're making the world a better place or something? Perhaps a word with the person you have a problem with will make more a difference than complaining on an internet forum.

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    Wow, fast responses here. I know this thing gets beaten to death but I really hope the person does read this. Maybe it will knock some common sense into their head.

    Just kidding about the clothes-lining thing in case "athliahsihsh" got offended. Haha.

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    As for is it ok to clothes line us no cause if u do then i will just run u the f over the next run down. That said I am not out of countrol like you are saying this guy was and i try to be polite as possible. Oh btw we wont feel a thing when u clothes line us or when we run u over...just saying. Sorry but I hate when people on here b!tch about dh'rs its not like its going to do anything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by iloveroadies
    Wow, fast responses here. I know this thing gets beaten to death but I really hope the person does read this. Maybe it will knock some common sense into their head.

    Just kidding about the clothes-lining thing in case "athliahsihsh" got offended. Haha.
    I agree in hoping that the irresponsible riders do read this, but the odds are they probably won't. The people who read this forum are relatively well informed of the rules of the trail and obey them. I guess I've just gotten tired of reading the same thread 5 or 6 times a year. And I know you're joking about the clothes-lining thing.

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    its not a matter of what type of riding the person does, its a matter of the person. i have come across some rude ass XC dudes, i have also see XC guys litter their goo packets on the trails. Some people are rude, doesnt matter what kind of bike they are on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hab1b
    its not a matter of what type of riding the person does, its a matter of the person. i have come across some rude ass XC dudes, i have also see XC guys litter their goo packets on the trails. Some people are rude, doesnt matter what kind of bike they are on.
    I agree but I also agree that we/ I as a downhiller can get "out of control" sometimes. some XC people are just rude in diffrent ways than the dh people...

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    Yes.

    I think it *is* allowable to clothesline an out of control DHer.

    Whether he/she be a big biker, XCer, AMer, or whatever.

    I think it's actually stated as permissible in the guide book.


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    Totally agreeable. It's just too bad a few riders here and there don't know the rules. Madman is mad. I'm not saying shuttling or dh'ing is wrong or anything, but maybe do it on a Tuesday or something instead of a busy Sunday. Ya know?

    Okay. Case closed. No more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iloveroadies
    Totally agreeable. It's just too bad a few riders here and there don't know the rules. Madman is mad. I'm not saying shuttling or dh'ing is wrong or anything, but maybe do it on a Tuesday or something instead of a busy Sunday. Ya know?

    Okay. Case closed. No more.
    yes I am sorry i am mad...im just saying that its not just us downhillers that are rude. I try keep myself under control but if it isnt busy(like on as Tuesday as you said iloveroadies) then I will go all out and when I come up on the one other person on the trail that day I try to slow down but sometimes its too late. I know the rules and i try to abide by them as much as I can.

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    Well, so far it's at least 2 "DHers suck" posts, 2 "XC people suck" posts and a "can't we all just get along?" . Still counting.

    Seriously, this horse has been dead so long the folks at Elmers can't even find a use for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madman133
    <snip> when I come up on the one other person on the trail that day I try to slow down but sometimes its too late. I know the rules and i try to abide by them as much as I can.
    I'll stick a pike through your torso if it's me you come across.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    I'll stick a pike through your torso if it's me you come across.
    That come as an option on your multitool?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    I'll stick a pike through your torso if it's me you come across.

    Would you use a 454, 409 or a 426?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shitbirdbicycle
    Would you use a 454, 409 or a 426?
    I would be more afraid of this pike sticking through me......ouch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Yes.

    I think it *is* allowable to clothesline an out of control DHer.

    Good luck clotheslining a DHer. Full armor and a 40+lb bike help fight this while going 30mph its all about momentum people. Those damn deer at Keystone try it, just tail whip them Elk on the other hand, they have the momentum advantage just standing there.

    So...lets keep the dead horse beating going, see anyone go off trail, or an off leash dog crap near the trail?

    What part of DHer's / XC guys suck / lets all get along does my post count for? I feel this falls more into animals suck.

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    Did you notice what tires they were running?
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    My favorite posts are those b!tching about other people posting about the same old topics. Don't open it, don't respond. It's a freakin' MB forum, folks. Every damn topic has been covered a million times before. Who cares in the end?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    Good luck clotheslining a DHer. Full armor and a 40+lb bike help fight this while going 30mph its all about momentum people. Those damn deer at Keystone try it, just tail whip them Elk on the other hand, they have the momentum advantage just standing there.
    Dood all my dh bikes are sub 40 lbs and i dont wear armor on apex. Some of my "apex dh bikes" could actually make it up the trail too

    On a more sincere honest note elk and deer scare the sh!t out of me. Multiple times i have spooked those beasts and almost been jumped on or t-boned. Apex has lots of beasts that could take me out dhing(or even xcing) apex.

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    so this single "downhiller" passed you twice; still hard to be a shuttler unless his mummy is driving him. Maybe he's just a faster climber than you, and you're jealous of that.

    Life is about conflict. Life is not about 'can't we all just get along?" Deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jugdish
    My favorite posts are those b!tching about other people posting about the same old topics. Don't open it, don't respond. It's a freakin' MB forum, folks. Every damn topic has been covered a million times before. Who cares in the end?
    I love complaining about those who are complaining, its entertaining. Some of the best forums here are like this, then it gets way off topic and I laugh my butt off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    Dood all my dh bikes are sub 40 lbs and i dont wear armor on apex. Some of my "apex dh bikes" could actually make it up the trail too
    You have a collection of just "Apex dh bikes"? Weird, I have a DH bike that I've ridden once at Apex, I didn't realize there was a specific type of bike required to run XC guys off the trail

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    Clothesline a dh'er on a 45lb bike going 30mph? Yeah, try that and see what happens to ya. I believe your arm just might get ripped completely out of socket. But go ahead, clothesline away.

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    I'm so glad I don't live in Denver. Do you guys also cut each other off in your race to the trailhead in your SUV's? And who has the right of way to the best parking spot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iloveroadies
    He/she passed me twice and just about killed me both times.
    Sounds in control if he passed TWICE and didn't take you out...

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    I haven't piled on in one of these threads, so here I go....

    Quote Originally Posted by Madman133
    I try keep myself under control but if it isnt busy(like on as Tuesday as you said iloveroadies) then I will go all out and when I come up on the one other person on the trail that day I try to slow down but sometimes its too late.
    You're actually admitting this?

    Here's a size 6 pointy hat. Please take a seat in the corner facing the wall.

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    man i was ridding up apex and a little bunny didnt yeild he almost took me out jeez i wanted to clothes line him/her but lucky for me a DHer came by and scared him/her off
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    Quote Originally Posted by mycrusierhasabottleopener
    man i was ridding up apex and a little bunny didnt yeild he almost took me out jeez i wanted to clothes line him/her but lucky for me a DHer came by and scared him/her off
    Maybe next time you should wear some really bright lycra adorned with logos of sponsors you don't have... that oughta scare the bunny rabbit off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jugdish
    My favorite posts are those b!tching about other people posting about the same old topics. Don't open it, don't respond. It's a freakin' MB forum, folks. Every damn topic has been covered a million times before. Who cares in the end?
    True, re-runs can be good, but this one was just on so recently. I thought we could at least cycle through horse etiquette, best bike shop, motobikes, cheater lines, best beer and full squish vs hardtail before we got back to this one.

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    maybe that would work i know seeing people in any kind of lycra scares the hell out of me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    You have a collection of just "Apex dh bikes"? Weird, I have a DH bike that I've ridden once at Apex, I didn't realize there was a specific type of bike required to run XC guys off the trail
    It helps to have some extra wide, 28-29" handlebars.. If you wanted to get sneaky you could toss on some bar ends. The XC guys would think you're one of them until you got close, then blamm, you could skewer them right through their heart rate monitor.

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    YEAH! And no more of you DH'ers on Maxwell either!!!!
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    **** censorship

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    Where is Maxwell? I just bought some new uber cool lycra panties and a yellow jersey. I wanna ride up that bad-boy.
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    sometimes you have to draw a line in the sand...

    i had a problem with this guy at apex...

    this guy was all in black with a white strip down the middle. kinda small. maybe a grom? anyways i was about to clean the climb through that real technical rocky section (you know the one) and this guy come scooting on down in front of me.

    i was all like "hey man, uphillers have the right of way" and he was all like silent. so i said it again. his response, silence. i mean this guy was a real SOB, just ignoring me like that.

    couldn't he see that i was on a $7000 bike? didn't he know i have the corner cubicle at work? bet that little f'er doesn't even have a job.... i mean surely he could tell by the look on my face that my wife has a nice new set of falsies. i spent 5k on those mellons - that demands some respect! i bet this guys girl doesn't even shave her legs...

    Anyways, this guy just blew right by me. totally screwd my line. what, does he think he is like NATIVE or some sh!t?

    i spent the whole next day at work searching the mtbr boards to see if i could find a photo of this guy. luckily i DID find one.

    if you see this guy around. you tell him that guy whose line he blew at apex is p!ssed. you tell him that i'm as NATIVE as he if not more. i mean christ, i have been out here since 1999.
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    Ha Ha

    I giggled.

    At all of you who responded to this trolling.




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    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers
    I giggled.

    At all of you who responded to this trolling.

    Hey, I like trolls. They regenerate and you need Melf's Acid Arrow to put them down for good.

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    all DH'ers are from california, kill 'em all

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    Quote Originally Posted by joelalamo45
    Where is Maxwell? I just bought some new uber cool lycra panties and a yellow jersey. I wanna ride up that bad-boy.
    Wholly crap

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    CA DHer

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    bears don't go DH very well, their back legs are too long. kinda like a 69'er, or was that a 96'er? Cans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lubes17319
    I would be more afraid of this pike sticking through me......ouch!
    Nice northern! That sucker could chew its way through you.
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    I've been here since I was born at DG in '77, so I got my own personal parking spot at Apex, you will see my Hummer there often. That also means I can fly down Apex at warp 9 and you have to move for me.
    You can tell the locals from the newbys. Locals dont wear armour on every stinkin ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    That also means I can fly down Apex at warp 9 and you have to move for me.

    Star Trek is for losers, I rip it at ludicrous speed, even ridiculous speed is faster than warp 9.

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    I rode Apex yesterday, and think I pssed off a hiker when I stopped and made him walk past me after he'd already yielded. I tried to offset it by saying, "have fun" but he ignored me. I'm a freakin jerk...
    But on the bright side, my new apex dh sled kicks some booty! Why yes, that IS 4.2" of rear travel. Thank you for noticing.
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    gheyest thread evar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    gheyest thread evar.

    Gayer than this? This guy would most definitely ride UP Apex and Maxwell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    gheyest thread evar.
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    So let me pose a serious question...

    If DH'ers stopped shuttling Apex and Maxwell, would everyone get along? I seriously doubt it. DH and XC are so completely different that I don't see the two groups ever really co-existing. I mean if you heard a group of armor-clad DH guys sitting around after a XC guy goes walking/riding by with his neon lycra adorned with fake sponsors, shaved legs and seat jacked to the sky, well.... you get the point.

    So can the two ever really co-exist?

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    i bet we couldnt! some xc guy would still make a post about somebody going too fast down apex even if that person rode up it. i geuss when you get butt hurt everytime someone passes you on a big heavy bike up or down its hard to make friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joelalamo45
    So let me pose a serious question...

    If DH'ers stopped shuttling Apex and Maxwell, would everyone get along?

    So can the two ever really co-exist?
    Funny thing is, only the really hardcore ride a single type of bike. Most people have multiple bikes. Its SINGLE track, so they're always be space issues.

    Really, you people suck*

    *by you people I mean everyone who isn't friends and rides with me**

    **and maybe a few of those folks suck too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    Funny thing is, only the really hardcore ride a single type of bike. Most people have multiple bikes. Its SINGLE track, so they're always be space issues.

    Really, you people suck*

    *by you people I mean everyone who isn't friends and rides with me**

    **and maybe a few of those folks suck too

    maybe we should have a hardtail shuttle day at apex
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    Quote Originally Posted by mycrusierhasabottleopener
    maybe we should have a hardtail shuttle day at apex
    I'd give it a try if I wasn't sure my Mantiou Magnum on my Gary Fischer wasn't going to fall apart. I supposed I could but my Boxxer on it for the day!

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    Whats the difference between a DHer ridin down at ludaCris speed and XC riding down at warp 9? Besides the hyper - protective gear... I dont see it, they certainly aren't goin faster than most XC riders heading down anyway. The forest ranger doesn't know, and other non- bike riding folks on the trail dont know the difference. Just that someone is rocketing down the hill.
    Cant we all just get along (and use those hydro-disc brakes once in a while)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    I'd give it a try if I wasn't sure my Mantiou Magnum on my Gary Fischer wasn't going to fall apart. I supposed I could but my Boxxer on it for the day!

    we'll make a day of it set up the bbq at the bottem bring the familys and of course the cooler and we can take turns giving icy cold refreshment to anyone ridding up apex that says slow down or yield!
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    Quote Originally Posted by iloveroadies
    There was a single downhiller shuttling Apex on Sunday. He/she was out of control on a black Yeti AS-X. I wanted to say something but I didn't have time. I guess downhillers have the right-of-way.

    I'm all for shredding downhill, but what an idiot.
    Did they yield to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek
    Did you notice what tires they were running?
    You better change them anyway, just to be safe
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    Whats the difference between a DHer ridin down at ludaCris speed and XC riding down at warp 9? Besides the hyper - protective gear... I dont see it, they certainly aren't goin faster than most XC riders heading down anyway.
    Umm, are we talking the same trail? Most the guys I see heading down on their 26 pound rigs are picking their way delicately between the larger rocks so as not to knock their delicate CrossMax XLs out of true and trying not to slide while tiptoeing the stepdowns in their Sidi's. It's a little closer to warp 0.9. Anyone seen doing this on an 8" rig deserves a round of sound shin beating with a new set of spiky flat pedals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    most original comment ever

    hehe, you really burned me there, chief.

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    Everyone knows that It's only ok to shuttle Apex when there is 8" of fresh snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    The forest ranger doesn't know, and other non- bike riding folks on the trail dont know the difference.
    I was riding up Apex about a month ago and a ranger stopped to talk to me about yielding. He didn't single me out (I already yielded to him before he got to me) but he was just educating all MTB'ers about the rules of the trail. He was a super nice guy about it all so I talked to him for a bit. He made some very interesting points.

    1) In his eyes the problem was DH'ers not yielding. When I asked him to clarify he said guys in FF helmets and armor. It's a re-occurring problem at the start and finish of every season when the resorts are closed.

    2) He thought "web blogs" were funny suggesting that Apex is going to be shut down to bikes. "It's not going to happen", he said, however, future trails might well be closed to MTB's from the get go.

    Note: this isn't word for word and I have no idea if this represents the collective forest service's stance, or just one ranger. I'm sure if someone (hiker) got seriously injured by a biker, Apex would close to bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    Good luck clotheslining a DHer. Full armor and a 40+lb bike help fight this while going 30mph its all about momentum people.
    Haven't you ever watched Professional Wresting? Clotheslines are easy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
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    Note: this isn't word for word and I have no idea if this represents the collective forest service's stance, or just one ranger. I'm sure if someone (hiker) got seriously injured by a biker, Apex would close to bikes.
    Just to clarify - the Forest Service has *no* jurisdiction in the JCOS system. Was this a JeffCo ranger or was it an actual Forest Service guy?

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    Never!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by joelalamo45
    So let me pose a serious question...

    If DH'ers stopped shuttling Apex and Maxwell, would everyone get along? I seriously doubt it. DH and XC are so completely different that I don't see the two groups ever really co-existing. I mean if you heard a group of armor-clad DH guys sitting around after a XC guy goes walking/riding by with his neon lycra adorned with fake sponsors, shaved legs and seat jacked to the sky, well.... you get the point.

    So can the two ever really co-exist?
    NEVER, only because all mountain bikers (including uphillers and xc peep's) will eventually go downhill, no matter what they are riding and wearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    You better change them anyway, just to be safe
    Hey Dave,
    Nice avitar. We are planning a southern ride for saturday, are you too busy with school or feel like riding? Mostly shuttling though if you can handle that.

    PM me if your interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Just to clarify - the Forest Service has *no* jurisdiction in the JCOS system. Was this a JeffCo ranger or was it an actual Forest Service guy?
    IIRC it was a Ranger.
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