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    New Park! New Biking Trails?

    Colorado Springs:
    The initial planning meeting for Red Rock Canyon was VERY
    interesting - showcasing the geology, vegitation and trails/roads
    that exist in the canyon. The planning process was also outlined -
    and this is the key point...YOU can have a direct and long lasting
    impact on the decisions and designs for the future of Red Rock Canyon.

    Please participate, also please forward email to any and all Mountain
    Bikers you know.

    The 787 acre Red Rock Canyon has been saved from development and the
    trails planning stage is just beginning. Directly South of Garden of
    the Gods across highway 24. It is a magnificent place. More
    beautiful, primitive and diverse than Garden of the Gods - yet as big
    and potentially as trails rich as Palmer Park.

    This is a truly historic opportunity to be part of the planning
    process to design the ENTIRE trail system, access roads, parking and
    other uses for the park (like rock-climbing).

    Red Rock Canyon sits due south of Garden of the Gods Park directly
    across Highway 24 - bordered to the West by Crystal Park Road and on
    the East by 26th street. Red Rock Canyon is nearly identical in size
    to Palmer Park.

    This park can potentially support a wide variety of biking trails,
    mixed use trails and loops, beginner to advanced. May even provide
    for aggressive freeride areas.

    Mountain Biking concerns will not be considered unless you attend,
    participate and let your Mountain Biking voice be heard!


    If you can not attend any of the meetings - please submit your
    comments ("What's important to you when it comes to developing the
    Red Rock Canyon Open Space Master Plan?") via the following web site
    NLT 19 Feb '04
    http://www.springsgov.com/Page.asp?NavID=4081

    February 11, 2004 - Learn more about the master planning process and
    Red Rock Canyon
    March 3, 2004 - Help identify the big issues and hear an analysis of
    the property
    March 10, 2004 - Decide on goals for the master plan and work with
    other meeting participants to develop draft plans
    April 14, 2004 - Give your response to a draft concept plan
    May 5, 2004 - Review the final concept plan

    All meetings held at the West Center for Intergenerational Learning
    (West Junior High School), 25 N. 20th Street.
    Colorado Springs, CO
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    BUMP

    Submit your concerns NLT today.
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    any new info on this?

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    Well - all the community concerns were due on the 19th last week. I don't know how many Mountain Bikers total spoke up and submitted their concerns - but I know of the people I ride with at least 12 people submitted them.

    Next week is another meeting on the 3rd - the big decision meeting is on the 10th. That might be a very interesting meeting if hikers feel the need to "speak down" the Mountain Biking voices - could get boisterous. I hope not, most of the hikers I spoke with at the first meeting were very pleasant and actually had some positive comments about encounters they've had with Mountain Bikers recently.

    Maybe the Trail A.C.E. program is starting to bear fruit:
    Trail A.C.E. Program

    Can you make it to any of the meetings? Can you get some more bikers involved?



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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeCOLORADO
    Well - all the community concerns were due on the 19th last week. I don't know how many Mountain Bikers total spoke up and submitted their concerns - but I know of the people I ride with at least 12 people submitted them.

    Next week is another meeting on the 3rd - the big decision meeting is on the 10th. That might be a very interesting meeting if hikers feel the need to "speak down" the Mountain Biking voices - could get boisterous. I hope not, most of the hikers I spoke with at the first meeting were very pleasant and actually had some positive comments about encounters they've had with Mountain Bikers recently.

    Maybe the Trail A.C.E. program is starting to bear fruit:
    Trail A.C.E. Program

    Can you make it to any of the meetings? Can you get some more bikers involved?



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    yeah i will try to make it to some of the meetings, where are the meetings held and at what time

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    (done) February 11, 2004 - Learn more about the master planning process and
    Red Rock Canyon
    March 3, 2004 - Help identify the big issues and hear an analysis of
    the property
    March 10, 2004 - Decide on goals for the master plan and work with
    other meeting participants to develop draft plans
    April 14, 2004 - Give your response to a draft concept plan
    May 5, 2004 - Review the final concept plan

    5pm to 7pm
    All meetings held at the West Center for Intergenerational Learning
    (West Junior High School), 25 N. 20th Street.
    Colorado Springs, CO

    Head West on Colorado Avenue to 25th. Turn right on 25th.
    It's in the second block off Colorado Avenue.
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    Alright, so I'm starting to get irritated.

    Last night's meeting went well - even more people showed up, but MOSTLY HIKERS.

    What does it take to convince MOUNTAIN BIKERS that they need to get INVOLVED! In a room of about 140 people there were FIVE Mountain Bikers. Thankfully last night was more informational...the real meat and potatoes meeting is next Wed (March 11th) when we'll break up into smaller planning groups to start planning the trails.

    Due to the work of a dedicated FEW - we've actually got the word "freeriding" on the list of suggested uses for the park. BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN if more mountain bikers don't get involved.

    It's no wonder that trails get closed all around the country when mountain bikers don't let their voices be heard...or NEW trails are designed from the get-go as NON biking because of the same lack of involvement.

    Help YOURSELF out here people - get your rear ends down to the meetings (and similar meetings in YOUR area). It is such a MINISCULE investment in time compared to how much time we spend on the trails that it's ridiculous. It's like paying 50 cents for a brand new Santa Cruz VPP Free (or whatever your dream ride is).

    Just Do It!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeCOLORADO
    Alright, so I'm starting to get irritated.

    Last night's meeting went well - even more people showed up, but MOSTLY HIKERS.

    What does it take to convince MOUNTAIN BIKERS that they need to get INVOLVED! In a room of about 140 people there were FIVE Mountain Bikers. Thankfully last night was more informational...the real meat and potatoes meeting is next Wed (March 11th) when we'll break up into smaller planning groups to start planning the trails.

    Due to the work of a dedicated FEW - we've actually got the word "freeriding" on the list of suggested uses for the park. BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN if more mountain bikers don't get involved.

    It's no wonder that trails get closed all around the country when mountain bikers don't let their voices be heard...or NEW trails are designed from the get-go as NON biking because of the same lack of involvement.

    Help YOURSELF out here people - get your rear ends down to the meetings (and similar meetings in YOUR area). It is such a MINISCULE investment in time compared to how much time we spend on the trails that it's ridiculous. It's like paying 50 cents for a brand new Santa Cruz VPP Free (or whatever your dream ride is).

    Just Do It!
    is there any one to emai or call? i work nights so its kinda hard to make the meetings

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    Terry Putman
    (719) 385-6516

    Timothy Burke
    (719) 385-5247
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeCOLORADO
    Terry Putman
    (719) 385-6516

    Timothy Burke
    (719) 385-5247
    Is there a way I could volunteer to help trail build? I'm only 15, so making the meetings is going to be hard and a big obligation to put onto my parents. I'd love to help out the biking community and work on some trails.
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    is making a comeback.

    Turns out that five years of not mountain biking, really makes one strive to get back to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeCOLORADO
    Terry Putman
    (719) 385-6516

    Timothy Burke
    (719) 385-5247
    I will call tomorrow and tell them that the canyon needs to allow mtn biking.
    anything specific you suggest i say?
    thanks

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    There will definitely be a need for volunteers to put in time building the actual trails - that part of the process is some time down the road though.

    If you're going to call in:
    - All trails should be multi-use
    - An area should be set aside for freeride use/possibly man made stunts
    - 25% of the trails should be highly technical
    - Let them know that you support the Trail A.C.E. Program (advocacy, conservation and etiquette)

    Thanks for your support folks...I hate the thought of the hikers having their way with this park and leaving us bikers wishing we'd been more involved. Red Rock Canyon is an amazing place, as big as Palmer Park and potentially as awesome for biking.
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    I just called and voiced my support, I called Putman and he said that there are quite a few mtn bikers at the meeting, so at least he recognizes that they are out there.
    sorry i cant make the meetings, let me know if there is anything else i can do

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    Idea! Try Medicine Wheel!

    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    Is there a way I could volunteer to help trail build? I'm only 15, so making the meetings is going to be hard and a big obligation to put onto my parents. I'd love to help out the biking community and work on some trails.
    Hi Guy!

    Try checking out http://www.medwheel.org. Tell 'em the LeeMan sent you.

    They do work in Cheyenne Canon, Garden of the Gods, Palmer Park, and even
    the new Cheyenne Mountain State Park, as well as others.

    They also try to attend advocacy meetings, and they have a bike patrol.

    Good folks -- they've been around as long as IMBA has, and they've even been
    used by IMBA as an example of a great bike club.

    In case you can't tell, I used to be a member, but I've moved "Up North",
    near Boulder, so I've joined BOA (The Boulder Off-Road Alliance), where
    I'm the Bike Patrol director now.

    Good for you for wanting to give something back to the sweet trails in the Springs.
    The Lee-Man

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    Yep - we work directly with MedWheel on a regular basis! Thanks for your support.
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