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    New owner at Echo Park

    Don't know what, if any impact this has on any possible summer use but as an old stick dodger, I think it's pretty cool.

    Echo Mountain ski area bought to be converted into training facility - The Denver Post

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    Must be nice to have parents so supportive that they buy a ski hill for the kids.

    DH bike racing took its roots from skiing. I wonder if the new owner would consider DH racers more and build allow trails because of that. I guess the rest of you could have a few trails too.

    Only thing though, if a 1/2 dozen people approach them separately (*cough* Clear Creek County *cough*) we'll look like a bunch of confused silly nannies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu View Post
    Must be nice to have parents so supportive that they buy a ski hill for the kids.

    DH bike racing took its roots from skiing. I wonder if the new owner would consider DH racers more and build allow trails because of that. I guess the rest of you could have a few trails too.

    Only thing though, if a 1/2 dozen people approach them separately (*cough* Clear Creek County *cough*) we'll look like a bunch of confused silly nannies.
    Time for all you gravity guys to put together a professional proposal.

    And yes, it struck me that it must be nice that someone's Mom is buying them a ski hill... (Actually it's great that a private citizen with the means is doing something significant to support youth ski racing. IMO it's a hell of a lot better than building a new third or fourth home in some ritzy subdivision.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    ...it's a hell of a lot better than building a new third or fourth home in some ritzy subdivision.
    The bought a ski resort/mountain! I'm pretty sure they can do that too
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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Time for all you gravity guys to put together a professional proposal.
    Yeah right. I'll just stick to my totally awesome illegal trails that I don't post on the Internet.

    Even if gravity had a non-profit organization for just us I'm sure we'd screw it up. We have individual teams; Neverest (mine), Mojo Wheels, aCOS, etc. I think it'd have to start there; but I have enough work running my team.

    I don't want to be a pessimist; but I've just been around gravity long enough to be a realist. Hopefully someone will take the reigns and prove me wrong.
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    Get MT and the crew to man it up and you might have something. We approached the original owners a while back, they were interested but didn't have capitol, nor does any other mtn biker I know to pull off 100's of thousands to make that initial start.

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    I couldn't exactly tell if it is now a private resort or not. Do you have to be a kid training for races?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Time for all you gravity guys to put together a professional proposal.
    You would be better off having COMBA take your membership fees and buy Lotto tickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    I couldn't exactly tell if it is now a private resort or not. Do you have to be a kid training for races?

    Sounds private. From the article:

    Ski clubs with adult skiers will have access to Echo Mountain terrain on a rental basis.

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    If it is private, am I the only one that thinks this kind of sucks? I think the only way you would be able to get access to out there is if her kids take up mountain biking and then maybe.

    Well it was nice having a lift less then 15 miles from the house.
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    Sounds like initially the focus will be on ski racing for one club with other clubs on a fee basis. Later on who knows, the article does mention new terrain sometime in the future. I may have missed something but it doesn't sound like the park scene is going to be a part of it so if that's what you like you'll have to go elsewhere.

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    FWIW if you read her LinkedIn page you'll get a better idea of what the motivation is. Front Range Ski Club.

    I noticed she's also a distance runner so maybe someone (Bike Club rep) should drop her a line and ask if she might be interested in partnering with a bike club and starting a "summer training facility" as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Don't know what, if any impact this has on any possible summer use but as an old stick dodger, I think it's pretty cool.

    Echo Mountain ski area bought to be converted into training facility - The Denver Post
    What a joke. Closed in a year because some rich snobby b*tch can't interact with the Vail trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    You would be better off having COMBA take your membership fees and buy Lotto tickets.
    Don't they already do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure View Post
    Get MT and the crew to man it up and you might have something. We approached the original owners a while back, they were interested but didn't have capitol, nor does any other mtn biker I know to pull off 100's of thousands to make that initial start.

    Anything is possible. rally.
    This is her private residence. I am sure she doesn't want any of you cable draggers "bro"-ifying her property. She can't even put up with the Vail crowd, and you think she'd welcome the buttwheel draggers?

    Good luck with that!

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    I don't the sense that this area will be catering to gravity riders any time in the forseeable future.
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    So now my road home will be choked with slow moving family SUVs instead of out of control WRX's and Audis full of stoners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedrifter View Post
    So now my road home will be choked with slow moving family SUVs instead of out of control WRX's and Audis full of stoners.
    That sounds about right.
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    Sucks for the jibber kids. The whole exclusiveness of it being a ski club just for racer brats makes me kinda sick. But if it gets some of the ski racer morons off the slopes of my local hills I guess I'm all for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bipolarbear View Post
    but if it gets some of the ski racer morons off the slopes of my local hills i guess i'm all for it.
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    Exclusivity for one small user group seems like a bad business model with little potential for growth, so it may be up for sale agin soon. Start saving your green stamps now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    Exclusivity for one small user group seems like a bad business model with little potential for growth, so it may be up for sale agin soon. Start saving your green stamps now.
    My guess is she isn't making the investment to get rich, she already is rich. I bet she has enough money to run this as almost a charity effort. If they even come close to breakeven I'm sure she would be thrilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davemk View Post
    My guess is she isn't making the investment to get rich, she already is rich. I bet she has enough money to run this as almost a charity effort. If they even come close to breakeven I'm sure she would be thrilled.
    But will she still be so charitable when her kids get sick of ski racing and decide they wanna do something else like figure skating or lacrosse. How about when the kids are out of school and she's stuck with this ****ty little private ski hill?

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    Sell it for a loss and profit!

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    If the drought continues this winter she'll probably be interested in options for summer usage.

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    Sounds like a country club that will feature skiing instead of golf. I give this business plan one season before she becomes tired of losing money and reopens to the public

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    You know what? All you all had to do was call her and ask her. Not a difficult process.

    She bought the property as her HOME. You know, like people buy condos in Vail. She paid less than $6,000,000 for it, which by Vail standards is actually quite a bargain. As a bonus, she gets a big backyard with lots of toys for the hobby that she enjoys. She can afford this very easily. Call her consulting firm and play coy while asking about their capabilities, staff, and past projects. Smart woman.

    Oh, and the answer is no. She has no intentions of using the property for summer activities other than her own private parties.

    Amazing what a simple phone call will provide.

    For all of you who think this sucks, remember that you had the same opportunity to purchase the property. She just had the right amount of money at the right time.

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    Pretty smart purchase. A whole ski area for about the price of some nice houses with small lot in Vail.
    How's that lodge building there? Would it make a nice house? I think the article said they are planning on dumping a bunch more money into it. That probably includes a house.
    Damn I wish I bought that. I was just about 5.95 Million short at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drunkenbikesnob View Post
    You know what? All you all had to do was call her and ask her. Not a difficult process.

    She bought the property as her HOME. You know, like people buy condos in Vail. She paid less than $6,000,000 for it, which by Vail standards is actually quite a bargain. As a bonus, she gets a big backyard with lots of toys for the hobby that she enjoys. She can afford this very easily. Call her consulting firm and play coy while asking about their capabilities, staff, and past projects. Smart woman.

    Oh, and the answer is no. She has no intentions of using the property for summer activities other than her own private parties.

    Amazing what a simple phone call will provide.

    For all of you who think this sucks, remember that you had the same opportunity to purchase the property. She just had the right amount of money at the right time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bipolarbear View Post
    But will she still be so charitable when her kids get sick of ski racing and decide they wanna do something else like figure skating or lacrosse. How about when the kids are out of school and she's stuck with this ****ty little private ski hill?
    Ummm, it's not for her kids exclusively, it's for a pretty large community of kids in ski racing programs that have been around in one form or another for a long time, much longer than jibbers and huckers. Those programs have provided the opportunity to train and be coached at a fairly high level, enabling the cream to advance into higher levels.

    Anyway, now that I think about it it's kind of a bummer that more park rats will be out on the streets - I just scrubbed all the graffiti the neighborhood traffic signs and newspaper boxes. Oh well, they're not that hard to run down, half of 'em trip over their own pants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Ummm, it's not for her kids exclusively, it's for a pretty large community of kids in ski racing programs that have been around in one form or another for a long time, much longer than jibbers and huckers. Those programs have provided the opportunity to train and be coached at a fairly high level, enabling the cream to advance into higher levels.

    Anyway, now that I think about it it's kind of a bummer that more park rats will be out on the streets - I just scrubbed all the graffiti the neighborhood traffic signs and newspaper boxes. Oh well, they're not that hard to run down, half of 'em trip over their own pants.
    Doesn't matter which user group has been around longer. I really don't care about the fate of Echo, but if I was a highschool jibber kid in Denver, I'd be pretty bummed. I think they had a pretty good thing going for that user group, and having been in that user group in the past I can relate to them more. The lady can do whatever she wants with Echo, it's all hers, I'm just saying that I bet it doesn't last too long.

    Like I said, the fact that it'll get a few more of the skin suit carvers off our local slopes in the early season is the real benefit. I doubt that we notice much of a difference though.

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    I can only imagine how short those runs are when you're trying to go fast.
    It's kind of sad to see the efforts of the previous owner thrown away, but IMO they don't really get enough early season snow up there to make it easy to run a business.
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    I think it is super cool. Good for her and good for ski racing development in Colorado and 'Murrica.

    Though its obviously an exclusive set up, in the long run this kind of operation can make ski racing accessible to more kids. As it stands right now, it's almost impossible for kids who live in Denver metro to pursue high level ski racing unless their family has a second home or condo in a mtn town. This could change that, and I think that's part of what she is trying to do.

    I acknowledge that this is some upper echelon first world problem territory, but ski racing is kewl, and even they quit racing at some point, at least they will know how to ski with their hands in the right place and without tall tees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bipolarbear View Post
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    Like I said, the fact that it'll get a few more of the skin suit carvers off our local slopes in the early season is the real benefit.
    Are these really a problem? I find the Starter-wearin' n00Bs are *WAY* more trouble than pre-pubescent ski racers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Are these really a problem? I find the Starter-wearin' n00Bs are *WAY* more trouble than pre-pubescent ski racers...
    Let's see, go to loveland during early season skiing and notice who is carving from one side of the runs to the other at high speeds holding their poles horizontally in front of them. At least the Starter jacket crowd is kinda predictable in that they are easy to spot, avoid and pass. They generally ski/crash in a straight line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bipolarbear View Post
    Let's see, go to loveland during early season skiing and notice who is carving from one side of the runs to the other at high speeds holding their poles horizontally in front of them. At least the Starter jacket crowd is kinda predictable in that they are easy to spot, avoid and pass. They generally ski/crash in a straight line.
    I never worry about people *ahead* of me. It's the people *behind* me I worry about. And there is very little "predictable" about the Starter-jacket crowd from my experience.

    Then again, we're talking about Loveland - so you're talking *really* early season. I don't generally bother skiing until there is actually decent snow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser View Post
    I can only imagine how short those runs are when you're trying to go fast.
    You should see Buck Hill in MN, about 300 vert.

    Buck Hill Ski Program Alumni: Kristina Koznic and some girl that moved to Vail named Lindsey, two three time olympians, not bad for what would pass as an amusing bumb around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobGolden View Post
    You should see Buck Hill in MN, about 300 vert.

    Buck Hill Ski Program Alumni: Kristina Koznic and some girl that moved to Vail named Lindsey, two three time olympians, not bad for what would pass as an amusing bumb around here.
    Well, I am from MI, and my first ski run was down a former landfill. But I mean for kids who grew up around 2000' vert runs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    I never worry about people *ahead* of me. It's the people *behind* me I worry about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    Gas is on the right, Holmes
    Heh. It's rare I'm worrying about any of it when I'm skiing alone. Usually there are little humans for which I'm somewhat responsible for involved...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    The rich--they are not like you and me.
    We are all the rich depending on the perspective. Lots of people look at my bicycle like some of you seem to see her ski area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueallah View Post
    We are all the rich depending on the perspective.
    This. In fact, I'd wager nearly EVERY person posting to this board is in the top 1%:

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    This. In fact, I'd wager nearly EVERY person posting to this board is in the top 1%:

    Global Rich List

    That site is AWESOME!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobGolden View Post
    That site is AWESOME!
    I'm in the top 0.2%.

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    Some perspective huh.

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    30k/yr puts you in the top 7% according to that site, so, bacon boy, your assertion that everyone in this thread is in the top 1% is very probably wrong.

    It makes little sense to compare incomes in different countrys anyway. Does your dollar equivalent compare to mine if your house costs 15,000 and the equivalent in the US costs 150k.? Or if a loaf of bread costs 40 cents vs 3 bucks, etc.

    From that site:
    $73 could buy you a new mobile phone OR a new mobile health clinic to care for AIDS orphans in Uganda
    .

    $73 bucks to buy a clinic? Well 73 bucks has a whole different meaning wherever that is.

    In the US,
    The average household income of the 1% was $1.2m in 2008, according to federal tax data. The ultra-rich skew that average upwards: admission to the 1% began at $380,000 in 2008.
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    But I do get the point about appreciating what you've got.

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