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    New & Improved WALL@Deer Creek

    I ride Deer Creek quite a bit since it is near my house and I was glad to see they've now made it a '2 Lane Trail' on my ride there this morning. This is 'The Wall' section of the trail. You can now pass someone going either direction where before I was holding back on doing that on this part of the trail (yeah right)

    Seriously though, I'm guessing this is someone's LINE they take and so they needed to paint it? Or is there something I'm missing?


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    I saw this a few days ago.

    It's ashame that someone had to vandalize our trail with graffiti.

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    wtf is wrong with people?
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    gapers need to paint their lines

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    At least they didn't build stairs... ?

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    Maybe that is to mark where they are going to remove rocks to "sanitize" the trail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MtbRN View Post
    Maybe that is to mark where they are going to remove rocks to "sanitize" the trail?
    Sanitize for who? Those who need an easier path to walk up that pitch? They've got the stairs for that.

    BTW, I go back far enough to remember when I could pick a line from far right to far left because there were no stairs.
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    I invented that line.
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    it's rattlesnake urine

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
    it's rattlesnake urine
    That would explain all the snakebite flats.

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    Maybe its markings for lift towers?

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    where's the spoiler alert? now I have no reason to ride that trail. *thanks*

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    This is a Jeffco test to see how many people can follow the dots, just like Moab.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure View Post
    This is a Jeffco test to see how many people can follow the dots, just like Moab.
    ...so the "Pros" can piss you off some moar
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    At least they didn't build stairs... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
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    BTW, I go back far enough to remember when I could pick a line from far right to far left because there were no stairs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure View Post
    This is a Jeffco test to see how many people can follow the dots, just like Moab.
    GET OUT OF THE WAY YOU DOLT! You're right in the middle of the trail.

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    So who's going out there with a wire brush and taking that junk off? It's the same thing with people marking holds rock climbing...terrible. After a few months of weather, it should look like nothing ever happened, especially on a trail that's heavily traveled. A rock climbing wall takes quite a bit longer.

    I've never even been to deer creek though...if I have, I'd volunteer.

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    I go up there quite a bit and I'm willing to scrub a few times. Maybe just a wire or steel wool brush? Never did anything like that before so I don't know for sure --- I bet I'll get some interesting looks from those who pass by.....

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    Hmmm... you mean this line?

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    Not that I condone this nonsense, but


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    I saw it on mon am but was more on the lookout for a damn rattlesnake! IT was HOT! IT will most likely wear off and be forgotten- prob sooner than the evidence of riding in mud that i saw. Deer creek is prob the closest trail to my house and i hardly ever ride it. I love the trail- just dont ride it much.

    My question is why is this so offensive - but in moab or such places painted white lines or blue lines or any other color of preferred line is not offensive in the least?

    The wall is usually so sandy and slick i end up walking it - but rode it the other day and it was riding nice! (down anyway)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me! View Post

    My question is why is this so offensive
    Because this is MTBR and the folks here need one topic at the start of the work week to get themselves all pissed about to make the day go by quicker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me! View Post
    My question is why is this so offensive - but in moab or such places painted white lines or blue lines or any other color of preferred line is not offensive in the least?

    Because I won't get lost on a 20 foot section of Deer Creek. Unless I'm drinking...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me! View Post
    My question is why is this so offensive - but in moab or such places painted white lines or blue lines or any other color of preferred line is not offensive in the least?


    Kevin...I am one that finds this to be pretty serious (offensive is not the word I'd put to it though). This is vandalism....and if this was indeed put up by a biker, it's not helping the cause to keep trails open for biking. (If it were to be a mark put up by rangers to be used as trail markers, that would be another story. It's pretty obviousl that's not the case here) There are many people working hard all the time for our sake, and the people that do this sort of action are just moving their efforts 10 steps back.

    This same type of thing, as I mentioned earlier, is similar to rock climbing. The Access Fund tries to battle this stuff all the time. Even if climbers don't think something is that big of a deal (such as bolts, or even just chalk marks), many other people do, and we need to realize that to move forward. (That's why many bolts are now painted in non reflective dark paints now, rather than shiny steel) Crags get shut down to climbing all the time because people aren't thinking what the "outsiders" think. We need to respect their views as well in order to keep these places mutli use.

    I can personally say, if I saw those marks on one of my frequented trails, I'd be infuriated....and I don't get mad easily. I like people doing what they want...but this is too far.

    Again...even if you don't think it's a big deal...other people may, and as a matter of fact... many do.

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    my guess is that a ranger or the somebody of the like did it...

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    Maybe something like this happened there.

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    The real vandalism at DC was the installation of that ****ing staircase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF View Post
    The real vandalism at DC was the installation of that ****ing staircase.
    We could "fix" that, you know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gearwhine View Post
    Kevin...I am one that finds this to be pretty serious (offensive is not the word I'd put to it though). This is vandalism....and if this was indeed put up by a biker, it's not helping the cause to keep trails open for biking. (If it were to be a mark put up by rangers to be used as trail markers, that would be another story. It's pretty obviousl that's not the case here) There are many people working hard all the time for our sake, and the people that do this sort of action are just moving their efforts 10 steps back.

    This same type of thing, as I mentioned earlier, is similar to rock climbing. The Access Fund tries to battle this stuff all the time. Even if climbers don't think something is that big of a deal (such as bolts, or even just chalk marks), many other people do, and we need to realize that to move forward. (That's why many bolts are now painted in non reflective dark paints now, rather than shiny steel) Crags get shut down to climbing all the time because people aren't thinking what the "outsiders" think. We need to respect their views as well in order to keep these places mutli use.

    I can personally say, if I saw those marks on one of my frequented trails, I'd be infuriated....and I don't get mad easily. I like people doing what they want...but this is too far.

    Again...even if you don't think it's a big deal...other people may, and as a matter of fact... many do.
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    Point taken- but i really dont recall any major efforts to poll all trail users and see if the stairs were agreed on by all. In fact i believe it was a private group of hikers that funded the majority of the project. Or the recent sanitization that they have done on plymouth mtn.- i guess that is prob. more erosion control.

    I am all for equal access and against vandalism- lets get that point out. As far as the rock climbing goes im not a climber have dabbled in bouldering a bit but isnt the chalk just part of the gear used. I mean isnt it not so much leaving marks as it is just a result of usage. Just like tire tracks in the dirt (not talking mud here).

    Yes, there are alot of folks here that work hard and volunteer (not patting myself on the back) . My question was just why is it ok in moab but not here.

    I guess if you compare the poop bags left on the side of the trail to strikes against bikers we are still the minority.

    GUess we'll have to discuss further after a t.i.t.s. ride!
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    Too bad someone had to deface the trail like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me! View Post
    My question was just why is it ok in moab but not here.
    I think the answer to that would be that the trails that are marked in Moab are marked so people do not get lost.
    At DC, you would have to be pretty "unsmart" to get lost without the marks on the rock. LOL
    Did anyone that is all bent outta shape about this contact JCOS to see if they know anything about it?
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    I bet they're gonna bring in a jackhammer to sanitize The Wall.

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    Well, at least its not a double yellow line... at least we can pass.
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    It looks like locate marks for underground utilities. It must be there for a reason, it's hard for me to believe that some random dimwit lugged a can of spray paint out there and marked the trail, but I've been wrong before.

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    ah.. the wall

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