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    New question here. Nevegal's on the FR?

    Getting ready to make a tire purchase to replace my Maxxis DHF/R setup and have been eyeballing the Nevegal 2.35's for a while but I find it ironic that such a well reviewed tire (MBAction, etc) is so hated in a number of very popular MTB forums for pinch flats, high-rolling resistance, etc.

    I'm pretty much clueless when it comes to tires. Like many (I suspect), I don't have the budget to be trying tires on like a pair of jeans at Kohls.

    What's the general consensus on this tire for Front Range conditions? I need a good all-around tire. The Nevegals are certainly lighter than the Maxxis but I keep reading they're too heavy (I believe the term "boat anchors" has been used more than once), high-rolling resistance, blah, blah, blah.

    To be specific, I'm a mid-to-south Front-Range rider. The Colorado Trail, Indian Creek, Buffalo Creek, points in-between and south to Monument are my haunt.

    Should I be considering a different tire?

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    Don't do it.

    JUST DON'T DO IT.

    Are you looking at the tubed or tubeless version? I hear it may make a difference.

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    HAHA!!

    Well, with that response I'd better steer clear!!

    I'm still running tube's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLampitt View Post
    HAHA!!

    Well, with that response I'd better steer clear!!

    I'm still running tube's.
    Yeah. Don't do it.

    I like the Rubber Queen/Trail King by Conti thus far. Way better than the Nevs.

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    I have run tubeless, but only when I arrived here from NYS (the 2.35 DTC USTs are the king on wet roots and rocks at 18 psi). The rock out here is sharp and more prevalent, so it damages the sidewalls and the result is a large bubble. A buddy's rear Nevie bubbled so much, we could not turn the tire through the stays. He does not run them anymore, either.

    Get a tire with some decent sidewall protection.

    Also, they wear like crazy. The grip is good, but you'll need two in a season. Might as well pony up for a tire that is 2X the price and have peace of mind...
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    I like them a lot. I've used the 2.5 DH version as a front tire and it was great--it really hooked up in the turns and it wore pretty well.

    I'm currently using the 2.2 DTC 29er version on two bikes and I like those a lot too. The DTC really wears well in my opinion, but it isn't a great tire on ice (something I didn't notice with the non DTC version).

    I kinda laugh when people talk about rolling resistance and weight, since those are the lightest and fastest rolling tires I've ridden in the last 10 years. I want a tire that hooks up in loose conditions and drifts predictably when pushed through the corners--two things that the Nevgals do very well. If you're racing XC, they might not be the best choice, but if you're not who cares?

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    I've ridden the Nevegals and I like them, alot. I find it silly when people complain about things like weight or rolling resistance. If you're doing any type of technical riding your number one concern is grip and handling and the nevegal is one of the best ( I dont think they are that heavy either). The "high" wear is due to the tire having a softer rubber compound = more grip and, honestly, replacing a set every 2 seasons is not bad at all. In auto road racing we replace tires every 2 weekends... A harder compound tire may last longer but you are sacrificing grip.
    The nevegals run wider than advertised. The 2.1s are more like 2.2/3 so make sure the 2.35s will fit your application.

    I've run Panaracer Fire XC pro's in 2.1 and like them as well.

    I'm currently running Velociraptor's and they seem to begood so far for ~1/2 the price of other tires, my favorite is still the nevegal though.

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    i am not a fan of the 2.35.. I have run it quite a bit because they came on two bikes of mine. I don't care about rolling resistance and all that.. but the knobby's simply fall off.. lots of them.. I would never buy that tire..
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    I ride the same trails as you and I'm on the 2.1" Nevegals. I think they are great tires. The 2.1 inchers have great grip and weight less than the larger versions. I do have the UST tires which will add some weight but I'm still happy with them.

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    I don't know about you guys, but just about everyone I know has either the Minions or the Nevegals. There's a reason for that.... the tires kick ass.

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    I hate them, they suck in so many ways... already been covered here.

    And IMO, rolling resistance is a really big deal unless you're on a trail that's steep enough that your speed is limited by the terrain and not how hard you can pedal, and on a great majority of legal front range trails being able to pedal, accelerate, and maintain momentum makes you faster than a grippier tire. To this point, rolling resistance is also a big deal in downhill racing, many racers didn't use the new Conti rubber in previous years because rolling resistance was too high, they were redesigned to improve this. The new Specialized Butcher dh tires had a priority on low rolling resistance, and it is really noticeable, even doing resort riding.

    My recommendations are the Conti Trail King with black chili rubber or Specialized Butchers in either Control or SX casing depending on your needs, probably the Control casing unless you need a really burly tire. The Butcher may be the best mt bike tire ever made.
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    I've been using the Nev 2.35 set up tubeless on my Nomad for the last 3 seasons and really like them. Never had a puncture problem and they wear great. I have never used them as a rear tire though.
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    I like them on the front range minus 29er on ice.
    With that said they are the jack of all trades master of none. So they work well in almost all things but you can always find a tire that will work better in a certain area. They do roll a bit slow but with the rocks and such we have on the front range they just flat work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simonns View Post
    I've been using the Nev 2.35 set up tubeless on my Nomad for the last 3 seasons and really like them. Never had a puncture problem and they wear great. I have never used them as a rear tire though.
    This may be key... the nev I've had on the front has been adequate... as a rear tire they are positively abysmal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    with the rocks and such we have on the front range they just flat.
    Yeah... FTFY.

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    I have the 29er 2.2 version on the front of my Anthem X right now. The 29er 2.2 is pretty close in size to the 26 2.35. It's one of the larger 29er tires you can get right now.

    the past 4 years, I've mainly run Maxxis, but lately I've been dabbling with some of the new Conti and Schwalbe stuff, so normally I don't run Nevegals.

    However we didn't have any other large 29er's in stock when I needed a new tire so a tossed on the Nevegal 2.2. It's running tubeless on a Stan's Arch rim. And I have to say, it's been pretty darn nice. Good traction, cornering predictably, overall a good tire.

    This is on the front only, I don't run it on the rear.

    I road Hall and Devils backbone today, and it's starting to wear down a bit and seemed to be giving a bit in the corners, but overall still predictable.
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    As suspected, opinions run the gamut. There seems to be a strong crowd against but starting to balance out with some fan's.

    I think I'll have to continue my research and probably (ultimately) throw a dart at a few of my favorites and see what sticks.

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    Wow, what's the best tire for the front range clever post slipped through.

    So what is the best tire for the front range?

    Hey btw, does anyone have a suggestion for a good tire for riding around the front range?

    Sorry about the same old story, but a suggestion for a new tire would be cool.

    PS; I have been having issues lately. I need some rubber for riding around the front range....does anyone have a tread they like more than others?

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    Have you seen the price of tires lately? I took mine off and sold them on ebay. Lately I've been running bare rims. The setup isn't so much for acceleration / braking, but it really hooks up on the turns. Like riding on rails, man. Totally.

    But only for the Front Range.
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disdom View Post
    I've ridden the Nevegals and I like them, alot. I find it silly when people complain about things like weight or rolling resistance. If you're doing any type of technical riding your number one concern is grip and handling and the nevegal is one of the best ( I dont think they are that heavy either). The "high" wear is due to the tire having a softer rubber compound = more grip and, honestly, replacing a set every 2 seasons is not bad at all. In auto road racing we replace tires every 2 weekends... A harder compound tire may last longer but you are sacrificing grip.
    The nevegals run wider than advertised. The 2.1s are more like 2.2/3 so make sure the 2.35s will fit your application.

    I've run Panaracer Fire XC pro's in 2.1 and like them as well.

    I'm currently running Velociraptor's and they seem to begood so far for ~1/2 the price of other tires, my favorite is still the nevegal though.
    I agree. I have loved the traction my Nevegals have. last year I couldn't make certain climbs because of loss of traction. This year with the Nevegals I made the wall at Lair, the stairs on Dakota, and all but the last water bar at the wall Deer Creek. I can also clear everything on Apex with them too. I realize riding technique has much to do with it but the tires just rock with traction. I can tell they are a little slower than some other tires but I love them for Dakota, white and hall ranch, Apex, Black Jack etc. I ran the UST 2.35's and had no issues until recently. Mine lasted all season, 700 miles. My front got damaged by a sharp rock on Apex and the casing broke and it won't hold air anymore. I am still running the rear and the front is good too but needs a tube.

    I was cruising Craig's list for UST tires and found this dude selling about 6-8 UST tires from, Maxxis, Schwalbe, Conti, and other brands all with good tread but the casings punctured. It made me feel a little better about my failure. Also compared to my buddies UST Weirwolves they are fantastical durable. He has so many punctures with those. I have no doubt the Trail Kings are better and the Hans Dampf's as well. They are so picking expensive though. Right now I am rolling on some 2.5 Conti Diesel UST's I got new on EBay for $13 each. They work well but are really soft and may not last long in CO. They roll better than the Nevegals.

    If you put in a lot of miles you might want to throw down the coin for the trail Kings or Hans Dampf's.
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    My gripe is that they don't suit my turning style. Though many people group them together, they are very different than the Minion DHF because of their significant transition knobs.

    Those transition knobs make for great, consistent feeling, overall traction in many situations. When you are aggressively turning they will feel awesome...until they don't. The round profile and transition knobs (the knobs between the ramped-center and side knobs) make for an nice feel across the tire when leaning into a turn..then they release with a vengence. You get to the edge of the knobs, and there isn't any place for the dirt to go except to the outside, and down you go, or at least scare the crap out of yourself.

    A tire with a big channel between the center and side knobs like the DHF will give a little drift as you really lean the tire over in a turn. Then that channel packs up with dirt and the side knobs bite like a ski edge allowing you to rally the turn as drifty or carvey as you want. Carvey is less scary.

    I generally try to lay off the brakes, lean the bike over and carry as much speed through a turn as possible, and I prefer the DHF or a similarly channelled front tire. I have friends and customers who don't turn like that. There is less lean and more bar turning. Nevegal works great for them.

    Have an idea how you ride, where you ride or even how you want to ride and talk to someone at a shop who knows their tires. They will hopefully get you pointed in the right direction. I find most interweb tire talk incredibly subjective and fairly maddening.

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    At this point flowtron, I have to agree with you. Especially after lidarman's post.

    Sorry I even brought it up. :banghead:

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron View Post

    Those transition knobs make for great, consistent feeling, overall traction in many situations. When you are aggressively turning they will feel awesome...until they don't..
    It helps to clip off every other transition knob on the Nevs, I think the ones closer to the side knobs. It's worth trying if you already own them, it will make them suck a little less. They came with my Remedy when I bought it a few years ago so I tried it out. I agree with SS though, not even close to burly enough for a rear tire.

    The Specialized Butchers have a more consistent feel than the Minion DHF, grip a little better and roll much, much faster... otherwise they are very similar. If you like the dhf, the Butcher is like an updated, improved version. Cheaper than Maxxis too, them and Schwalbe can take their $90 tires and...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLampitt View Post
    At this point flowtron, I have to agree with you. Especially after lidarman's post.

    Sorry I even brought it up. :banghead:
    It's a partially subjective question, depends a lot on the rider, but I don't think it's useless. We should probably make a tire thread sticky though because it's definitely a FAQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113 View Post
    It's a partially subjective question, depends a lot on the rider, but I don't think it's useless. We should probably make a tire thread sticky though because it's definitely a FAQ.
    Probably a good idea. The attitude of the post just pissed me off as the question wasn't "what's the best tire for the FR". It was... here's what I'm thinking about, they've gotten great reviews, what's the consensus from folks who've ridden them around our little spot on the globe.

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    I ride most of the Front Range trails and consider my type of riding to be XC for distance with a lot of AM thrown in.

    I've run both the 2.35 Stick-E and Dual Compound on a 26er. Both are good, but the Stick-E makes a huge difference. I will buy the 2.35 Stick-E again. I run the 2.20 Dual Compound on my 29ers and 1 set has been on for 4 seasons. (I ride 4 bikes) I'd say that if you only rode 1 bike, you would want to change your tires at least every other season anyway.

    I wait for these tires to come up on sale for ~$35 on Pricepoint and buy them. That's worth every penny IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLampitt View Post
    Probably a good idea. The attitude of the post just pissed me off as the question wasn't "what's the best tire for the FR". It was... here's what I'm thinking about, they've gotten great reviews, what's the consensus from folks who've ridden them around our little spot on the globe.
    Yeah, watch out for the post police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113 View Post
    It helps to clip off every other transition knob on the Nevs, I think the ones closer to the side knobs.
    Help me understand why you would clip transition knobs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLampitt View Post
    Help me understand why you would clip transition knobs?
    You clip those knobs down to make the channel inboard of the side knobs more consistent so it can grab and hold more dirt.

    Dave, I've heard lots of good things about Spec. tires. However, I don't have access to them and probably wouldn't run them if I did due to all sorts of fiesty, prideful bike industry BS that I cling onto.

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    My experience with the Nevegals has been that the knobs seem to shed quickly, resulting in huge bubbles popping out in every direction in no time flat. I would steer clear...

    Not to thread-jack, but as anyone had particularly good luck with one of these tubeless tires up front:

    *Maxxis Ignitor 2.35
    *WTB Bronson 2.35
    *WTB Mutano 2.4 (not sure if made in tubeless?)
    *Continental Trail King 2.4

    My 575 came with Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.25s front and rear - I think Im going to go with something wider up front. Typically ride Hall Ranch, Betasso, Heil, Apex so conditions are generally mostly dry and dusty...the Schwalbe didnt have the greatest cornering traction up front, and would commonly wash out on swtichbacks.

    I've had decent luck in the past running a WTB Wolverine 2.2 up front with a Maxxis ADvantage in the back on my old Stumpjumper FSR...just wondering if anyone else has had great luck with something wider up front that lasts and corners well?
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    They aren't that bad

    I'm a bit surprised by all the negative feedback.

    I've been running a 26" Navegal 2.35 up front and I love it. It's got decent volume and width for its weight and I've found that if you mount it on a reasonably skinny rim (something in the 23-25mm range) the tire has more of a rounded than a square profile which reduces that "on-off" feeling that you get when putting the tire on edge.

    If the rolling resistance bothers you, put one up front and go with something different for the rear. They do wear relatively fast, but if you put it up front it will last as long as a more durable rear tire would. I haven't experienced any of the more extreme wear symptoms mentioned by other riders.

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    Pretty good front for 29"

    Quote Originally Posted by singlespeedmindset View Post
    ... They do wear relatively fast, but if you put it up front it will last as long as a more durable rear tire would. I haven't experienced any of the more extreme wear symptoms mentioned by other riders.
    For the 29" Dual Tread Compound, and I found the Nevegal to wear pretty well but after a point the rear would start chunking off side knobs for me. I think of it as really a decent front tire, totally adequate. I could go back to using them for a front.

    I stopped working at the bike shop 2 years ago so my tires-at-cost pipeline dried up. But I used to buy and try pretty much every high volume tire that looked promising. Lots of the new ones that have come out in the last two years I don't even know about. I still have a rat's nest of slightly used rubber hanging in my garage. One of them is a Nevegal with so-so wear. In a time of poverty I may mount it back up.

    I've been happy enough with Specialized Eskar Control 2Bliss front and rear that I haven't even cared about newly available rubber anyway. When they announced that the Eskar was being discontinued I bought a pair of the shop's last stock, and then a month or so ago I noticed that they still had one so I bought it too. I think I'm going to try setting them up tubeless. My experiment with that in 2008 was a failure. My wounds have healed, though I do still have some scar tissue on my back...
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    flowtron: well put. Thanks for putting to words how tires work, vs "they just feel right..."

    > *WTB Mutano 2.4 (not sure if made in tubeless?)

    Inglewood - I am, or was a fan of mutano 2.4's front and rear running tubes on a Yeti 575. Nice directional carve feel, they roll super well, and for me at 150lbs I coud run them at 25-27psi and not pinch a tube. Certainly not the same class of tire as a Nevegal, Minion, etc., but has it's place in XC and at low pressures runs AM just fine for me. Problem is, tubeless, the sidewall is too thin, so running them at 22psi or so they flex too much or burp under not-so-heavy loads. Adding pressure, they loose their traction and are particularly bad in the wet roots/rocks if overpressured. On slickrock, low pressures, they were unsafe on any sideload (dang near peel off and would burp easy). I am 150lbs with gear, so it wasn't anything brutal I was doing to them. Don't run them tubeless unless WTB makes a UST model, they need a tube for structure and to stay on the dang rim.

    TomP - I've run Eskars tubed and tubeless - it is a better tire tubeless and they do real well at 20-24psi lower pressures. I run Eskars tubeless on a 29er Salsa softail/stans rims, and ran them tubeless on some 26er XTR rims. For what I do, they are fantastic - ride to the trail, do some AM/Tech/Carving, ride home from the trail, longer rides than shorter ones. They roll well for what they are, 800grams +-30, have a good carve feel in the decomposed granite above Monument, great braking and wear well tubeless. I have other friends that outweigh me by 25lbs (not hard to do) and are pushing Eskar's tubeless on stans rims super hard in AM. They push that tire hard into carves under threshold braking where a lot of other tires would give up and leave you bailing in the rocks and trees at 20mph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron View Post
    My gripe is that they don't suit my turning style. Though many people group them together, they are very different than the Minion DHF because of their significant transition knobs.

    Those transition knobs make for great, consistent feeling, overall traction in many situations. When you are aggressively turning they will feel awesome...until they don't. The round profile and transition knobs (the knobs between the ramped-center and side knobs) make for an nice feel across the tire when leaning into a turn..then they release with a vengence. You get to the edge of the knobs, and there isn't any place for the dirt to go except to the outside, and down you go, or at least scare the crap out of yourself.

    A tire with a big channel between the center and side knobs like the DHF will give a little drift as you really lean the tire over in a turn. Then that channel packs up with dirt and the side knobs bite like a ski edge allowing you to rally the turn as drifty or carvey as you want. Carvey is less scary.

    I generally try to lay off the brakes, lean the bike over and carry as much speed through a turn as possible, and I prefer the DHF or a similarly channelled front tire. I have friends and customers who don't turn like that. There is less lean and more bar turning. Nevegal works great for them.

    Have an idea how you ride, where you ride or even how you want to ride and talk to someone at a shop who knows their tires. They will hopefully get you pointed in the right direction. I find most interweb tire talk incredibly subjective and fairly maddening.
    I agree that they are not as good many tires in lay over turning as you put it. Moving from and XC bike to an AM bike I have changed my turning style to leaning rather than steering. I agree that there are many tires better suited for this type of turning. Everything you said is true, that they drift a little between the center knobs and side knobs.

    I still really like them for about 80% of what we do here. For anything with slick rock or rock in general they are great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inglewood View Post
    Not to thread-jack, but as anyone had particularly good luck with one of these tubeless tires up front:

    *Maxxis Ignitor 2.35
    *WTB Bronson 2.35
    *WTB Mutano 2.4 (not sure if made in tubeless?)
    *Continental Trail King 2.4
    I've run an Ignitor 2.35 as a rear tire, and was pretty happy with it, other than it seemed to wear a bit fast. I'm a big fan of WTB tires, and have had great luck with Mutano and Weirwolfs, in non-UST guise, but set up ghetto tubeless. No burping, and no flats unless I let the sealant dry out. Also no sidewall tears in years. Maybe I'm lucky?

    I also ran a Mutano 2.4 on the front of my dj'er, and with adequate pressure at the skatepark they worked great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SecretAgent23skidoo View Post
    I've run an Ignitor 2.35 as a rear tire, and was pretty happy with it, other than it seemed to wear a bit fast. I'm a big fan of WTB tires, and have had great luck with Mutano and Weirwolfs, in non-UST guise, but set up ghetto tubeless. No burping, and no flats unless I let the sealant dry out. Also no sidewall tears in years. Maybe I'm lucky?

    I also ran a Mutano 2.4 on the front of my dj'er, and with adequate pressure at the skatepark they worked great.
    Its always interesting to me how experiences can be so different. My buddy has WTB Weirwolves and has had numerous casing tears to the point that he can only run them with tubes. Many other guys have had casing issues with the Nevegal's but I ran mine the whole year and near the end of the season when they were thrashed one got a tear in it.

    Maybe we're all just lucky? Or some others really unlucky?
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    yes, the many different experiences are interesting..

    But.. the knobbies fall off, yes literally falling off exposing the layer under the rubber on every Nevegal I have ever ridden.. am I the only one unfortunate enough to experience that?? even happened on a 2.5 DH Nevegal I was running last season, the knobbies failed way before the tire was worn out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia View Post
    yes, the many different experiences are interesting..

    But.. the knobbies fall off, yes literally falling off exposing the layer under the rubber on every Nevegal I have ever ridden.. am I the only one unfortunate enough to experience that?? ...
    No, I have. That's what I meant when I posted this earlier today to this thread:
    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    For the 29" Dual Tread Compound, and I found the Nevegal to wear pretty well but after a point the rear would start chunking off side knobs...
    Chunking is the word I've always used to refer to knobs ripping off. Used to always happen with Specialized tires, "back in the day".

    Anybody else use that term?
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    Quote Originally Posted by snigs View Post
    I have run tubeless, but only when I arrived here from NYS (the 2.35 DTC USTs are the king on wet roots and rocks at 18 psi). The rock out here is sharp and more prevalent, so it damages the sidewalls and the result is a large bubble. A buddy's rear Nevie bubbled so much, we could not turn the tire through the stays. He does not run them anymore, either.

    Get a tire with some decent sidewall protection.

    Also, they wear like crazy. The grip is good, but you'll need two in a season. Might as well pony up for a tire that is 2X the price and have peace of mind...
    I should clarify my post: I run them up front and like them very much. Wear is like any other front tire. It's the rear application that is problematic for sure...but all tires suffer the same degradation and potential for damage out back.
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    Sorry I even brought it up. :banghead:
    I take it back. This thread just keeps getting better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonblur View Post
    Its always interesting to me how experiences can be so different. My buddy has WTB Weirwolves and has had numerous casing tears to the point that he can only run them with tubes. Many other guys have had casing issues with the Nevegal's but I ran mine the whole year and near the end of the season when they were thrashed one got a tear in it.

    Maybe we're all just lucky? Or some others really unlucky?
    Sidewall tears are a funny thing. I tend to think that it has to do with riding style and technique, almost down to a sub-concious level. Some people attack the hell out of the trail with full faith in their suspension (and it's probably set well) and hit rocks straight on and absorb with their body and suspension. That is the "Fast line smooth" technique.

    Then there are people who partake in the "Smooth line fast" technique. They are making lots of minute steering adjustments around things. I suspect its those little adjustments that send people next to rocks rather than over them and cuts sidewalls.

    Just a theory I've considered..
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113 View Post
    And IMO, rolling resistance is a really big deal unless you're on a trail that's steep enough that your speed is limited by the terrain and not how hard you can pedal, and on a great majority of legal front range trails being able to pedal, accelerate, and maintain momentum makes you faster than a grippier tire.
    +1, I'm with you here. I tried out some Nevegals last fall, and while they did grip very well, they just don't fit what/where/how I ride. I definitely believe there tires out there that have similar grip without sacrificing on rolling resistance for my type of riding.

    Actually, at this moment, my Fuel EX8 is outfitted with Bontrager XR4 Experts (2.35 front, 2.20 rear). Because of a tire emergency, I need some new rubber immediately, or else I would have missed a good ride. I just grabbed whatever was in stock (and on sale!) at my LBS. I didn't have real high expectations, but they are far better than I expected. That being said, I have no idea about their durability. However, they are performing well enough, for me, that I'm not in a rush to replace them at this point.

    I am intrigued by the Hans Dampfs though. Everyone I ride with that runs them, really likes them.
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    Like it has been said before, they are a great tire, but I kept loosing all the side knobs. But they will warranty that. I switched to the 2.35 Excavators and love them. They are not wearing as fast, and holding up great. I recently went ghetto tubeless on them, with the regular kevlar bead and they are working great.

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    I recently switched to XWing from Conti for the front tire and so far they seem to be a good choice. I run Race king on the back. I fast rolling tire is important to me. I tried Nevagal's but they felt like boat anchors to me and sold them after a few rides. I'm definitely XC orientated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron View Post
    Sidewall tears are a funny thing. I tend to think that it has to do with riding style and technique, almost down to a sub-concious level. Some people attack the hell out of the trail with full faith in their suspension (and it's probably set well) and hit rocks straight on and absorb with their body and suspension. That is the "Fast line smooth" technique.

    Then there are people who partake in the "Smooth line fast" technique. They are making lots of minute steering adjustments around things. I suspect its those little adjustments that send people next to rocks rather than over them and cuts sidewalls.

    Just a theory I've considered..
    That's true, it's amusing to ride behind people that do the "smooth line" thing. So much effort to go slower...

    But no matter your technique, rocks do rub on the sidewalls sometimes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113 View Post
    That's true, it's amusing to ride behind people that do the "smooth line" thing. So much effort to go slower...
    You gotta be careful of the other technique, too - sometimes you'll end up in the ravine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    You gotta be careful of the other technique, too - sometimes you'll end up in the ravine.
    I ummm.... have no idea what you're talking about.
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    Seriously, somebody "detracted" from my rep because I stated I was from NY.

    I am glad I'm from there originally, or I guess I'd be a total a-hole from CO that feels they need to cut down others to feel superior. Get bent, losers.

    Detract away, maybe you'll feel "bigger" in the morning...
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113 View Post
    I ummm.... have no idea what you're talking about.
    He's talking about the ravine you fell in last year, maybe cuz you were trying to avoid the rocks so your Nevegal wouldn't pop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snigs View Post
    Seriously, somebody "detracted" from my rep because I stated I was from NY.

    I am glad I'm from there originally, or I guess I'd be a total a-hole from CO that feels they need to cut down others to feel superior. Get bent, losers.

    Detract away, maybe you'll feel "bigger" in the morning...
    Dont worry you are not the only one. I get neg rep in the front range forum all the time. I think it is because I ride my bike and they ride there keyboard and need to be better at something.

    Back on track, has anyone heard if kenda will come out with a EXO/ snakeskin style sidewall in the future? Or are they sticking with the more tires that rip up the more we sell style of doing things?

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    Here is my summary of the Nevegals.

    Lots of rubber in the tread; good to great traction. To keep the weight down, the side walls are paper thin. They rip easily, make the tire very prone to pinch flats and can make the tire squirm in hard corners. The tread wears very fast, too. Very slow rolling tire (this isn't a function of weight; it actually has more to do with the piss poor side walls).

    A good alternative is the Maxxis ADvantage. The side walls are sturdier (although still on the thin side) the tread is just as grippy and they roll much faster. They can be head cheap. They wear slower than Nevegals.

    A great alternative is Continental Rubber Queen / Trail King (with checkered flag side walls, made in Germany with Black Chili; not made in china with cross hatch and no black chili). It rolls really fast (faster than the ADvantage, which I though was great already); the side walls are very tough; they wear like iron. You'll go through 3-4 nevegals for each RQ.

    I've lately been running Conti Barons. Smaller casing than RQs and lighter. Same rubber compound and great tread. Very predictable tire in all conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    He's talking about the ravine you fell in last year, maybe cuz you were trying to avoid the rocks so your Nevegal wouldn't pop.
    Oh, yeah... THAT ravine I was going straight... straight off the trail and into the ravine. Glad I made it out of there with only a few scratches. If I was running nevegals you guys would be carrying my body out.
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    Carrying your body out? We were going so fast we never would have noticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron View Post
    Sidewall tears are a funny thing. I tend to think that it has to do with riding style and technique, almost down to a sub-concious level. Some people attack the hell out of the trail with full faith in their suspension (and it's probably set well) and hit rocks straight on and absorb with their body and suspension. That is the "Fast line smooth" technique.

    Then there are people who partake in the "Smooth line fast" technique. They are making lots of minute steering adjustments around things. I suspect its those little adjustments that send people next to rocks rather than over them and cuts sidewalls.

    Just a theory I've considered..
    My buddies that just bomb straight through everything seem to tear the casing on the treads and sidewalls slamming their rims into everything. I tend to ride a bit smoother than most of them and generally have way less flats than they do. I do think you are right, it has much to do with technique.
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    On sale at Pricepoint now.

    2.35 Stick-E $32

    Kenda Nevegal Tire at Price Point

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron View Post
    Just a theory I've considered..
    I like it. My riding style has changed (for the better?) over the years, and my tire damage has gone down. I would like to have back the leg endurance I had in the late 90's, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SecretAgent23skidoo View Post
    Also no sidewall tears in years. Maybe I'm lucky?
    tsk tsk jerry... now you've gone and jinxed yourself!


    i've been playing w/ a combo of maxxis ardent and minion. too bad tires are so d@mn expen$ive; makes it hard to do much "testing"... basically find something cheap or on sale and hope you like it until something cheaper comes along.
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    I've only had one and I ripped the sidewall out of that one quickly. I'd say they are good tires as long as you stay away from rocky terrain.

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