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    New question here. Nevegal's on the FR?

    Getting ready to make a tire purchase to replace my Maxxis DHF/R setup and have been eyeballing the Nevegal 2.35's for a while but I find it ironic that such a well reviewed tire (MBAction, etc) is so hated in a number of very popular MTB forums for pinch flats, high-rolling resistance, etc.

    I'm pretty much clueless when it comes to tires. Like many (I suspect), I don't have the budget to be trying tires on like a pair of jeans at Kohls.

    What's the general consensus on this tire for Front Range conditions? I need a good all-around tire. The Nevegals are certainly lighter than the Maxxis but I keep reading they're too heavy (I believe the term "boat anchors" has been used more than once), high-rolling resistance, blah, blah, blah.

    To be specific, I'm a mid-to-south Front-Range rider. The Colorado Trail, Indian Creek, Buffalo Creek, points in-between and south to Monument are my haunt.

    Should I be considering a different tire?

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    Don't do it.

    JUST DON'T DO IT.

    Are you looking at the tubed or tubeless version? I hear it may make a difference.

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    HAHA!!

    Well, with that response I'd better steer clear!!

    I'm still running tube's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLampitt View Post
    HAHA!!

    Well, with that response I'd better steer clear!!

    I'm still running tube's.
    Yeah. Don't do it.

    I like the Rubber Queen/Trail King by Conti thus far. Way better than the Nevs.

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    I have run tubeless, but only when I arrived here from NYS (the 2.35 DTC USTs are the king on wet roots and rocks at 18 psi). The rock out here is sharp and more prevalent, so it damages the sidewalls and the result is a large bubble. A buddy's rear Nevie bubbled so much, we could not turn the tire through the stays. He does not run them anymore, either.

    Get a tire with some decent sidewall protection.

    Also, they wear like crazy. The grip is good, but you'll need two in a season. Might as well pony up for a tire that is 2X the price and have peace of mind...
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    I like them a lot. I've used the 2.5 DH version as a front tire and it was great--it really hooked up in the turns and it wore pretty well.

    I'm currently using the 2.2 DTC 29er version on two bikes and I like those a lot too. The DTC really wears well in my opinion, but it isn't a great tire on ice (something I didn't notice with the non DTC version).

    I kinda laugh when people talk about rolling resistance and weight, since those are the lightest and fastest rolling tires I've ridden in the last 10 years. I want a tire that hooks up in loose conditions and drifts predictably when pushed through the corners--two things that the Nevgals do very well. If you're racing XC, they might not be the best choice, but if you're not who cares?

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    Liking the posts rolling in...

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    I've ridden the Nevegals and I like them, alot. I find it silly when people complain about things like weight or rolling resistance. If you're doing any type of technical riding your number one concern is grip and handling and the nevegal is one of the best ( I dont think they are that heavy either). The "high" wear is due to the tire having a softer rubber compound = more grip and, honestly, replacing a set every 2 seasons is not bad at all. In auto road racing we replace tires every 2 weekends... A harder compound tire may last longer but you are sacrificing grip.
    The nevegals run wider than advertised. The 2.1s are more like 2.2/3 so make sure the 2.35s will fit your application.

    I've run Panaracer Fire XC pro's in 2.1 and like them as well.

    I'm currently running Velociraptor's and they seem to begood so far for ~1/2 the price of other tires, my favorite is still the nevegal though.

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    i am not a fan of the 2.35.. I have run it quite a bit because they came on two bikes of mine. I don't care about rolling resistance and all that.. but the knobby's simply fall off.. lots of them.. I would never buy that tire..
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    I ride the same trails as you and I'm on the 2.1" Nevegals. I think they are great tires. The 2.1 inchers have great grip and weight less than the larger versions. I do have the UST tires which will add some weight but I'm still happy with them.

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    I don't know about you guys, but just about everyone I know has either the Minions or the Nevegals. There's a reason for that.... the tires kick ass.

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    I hate them, they suck in so many ways... already been covered here.

    And IMO, rolling resistance is a really big deal unless you're on a trail that's steep enough that your speed is limited by the terrain and not how hard you can pedal, and on a great majority of legal front range trails being able to pedal, accelerate, and maintain momentum makes you faster than a grippier tire. To this point, rolling resistance is also a big deal in downhill racing, many racers didn't use the new Conti rubber in previous years because rolling resistance was too high, they were redesigned to improve this. The new Specialized Butcher dh tires had a priority on low rolling resistance, and it is really noticeable, even doing resort riding.

    My recommendations are the Conti Trail King with black chili rubber or Specialized Butchers in either Control or SX casing depending on your needs, probably the Control casing unless you need a really burly tire. The Butcher may be the best mt bike tire ever made.
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    I've been using the Nev 2.35 set up tubeless on my Nomad for the last 3 seasons and really like them. Never had a puncture problem and they wear great. I have never used them as a rear tire though.
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    I like them on the front range minus 29er on ice.
    With that said they are the jack of all trades master of none. So they work well in almost all things but you can always find a tire that will work better in a certain area. They do roll a bit slow but with the rocks and such we have on the front range they just flat work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simonns View Post
    I've been using the Nev 2.35 set up tubeless on my Nomad for the last 3 seasons and really like them. Never had a puncture problem and they wear great. I have never used them as a rear tire though.
    This may be key... the nev I've had on the front has been adequate... as a rear tire they are positively abysmal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    with the rocks and such we have on the front range they just flat.
    Yeah... FTFY.

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    I have the 29er 2.2 version on the front of my Anthem X right now. The 29er 2.2 is pretty close in size to the 26 2.35. It's one of the larger 29er tires you can get right now.

    the past 4 years, I've mainly run Maxxis, but lately I've been dabbling with some of the new Conti and Schwalbe stuff, so normally I don't run Nevegals.

    However we didn't have any other large 29er's in stock when I needed a new tire so a tossed on the Nevegal 2.2. It's running tubeless on a Stan's Arch rim. And I have to say, it's been pretty darn nice. Good traction, cornering predictably, overall a good tire.

    This is on the front only, I don't run it on the rear.

    I road Hall and Devils backbone today, and it's starting to wear down a bit and seemed to be giving a bit in the corners, but overall still predictable.
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    As suspected, opinions run the gamut. There seems to be a strong crowd against but starting to balance out with some fan's.

    I think I'll have to continue my research and probably (ultimately) throw a dart at a few of my favorites and see what sticks.

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    Wow, what's the best tire for the front range clever post slipped through.

    So what is the best tire for the front range?

    Hey btw, does anyone have a suggestion for a good tire for riding around the front range?

    Sorry about the same old story, but a suggestion for a new tire would be cool.

    PS; I have been having issues lately. I need some rubber for riding around the front range....does anyone have a tread they like more than others?

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    Have you seen the price of tires lately? I took mine off and sold them on ebay. Lately I've been running bare rims. The setup isn't so much for acceleration / braking, but it really hooks up on the turns. Like riding on rails, man. Totally.

    But only for the Front Range.
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disdom View Post
    I've ridden the Nevegals and I like them, alot. I find it silly when people complain about things like weight or rolling resistance. If you're doing any type of technical riding your number one concern is grip and handling and the nevegal is one of the best ( I dont think they are that heavy either). The "high" wear is due to the tire having a softer rubber compound = more grip and, honestly, replacing a set every 2 seasons is not bad at all. In auto road racing we replace tires every 2 weekends... A harder compound tire may last longer but you are sacrificing grip.
    The nevegals run wider than advertised. The 2.1s are more like 2.2/3 so make sure the 2.35s will fit your application.

    I've run Panaracer Fire XC pro's in 2.1 and like them as well.

    I'm currently running Velociraptor's and they seem to begood so far for ~1/2 the price of other tires, my favorite is still the nevegal though.
    I agree. I have loved the traction my Nevegals have. last year I couldn't make certain climbs because of loss of traction. This year with the Nevegals I made the wall at Lair, the stairs on Dakota, and all but the last water bar at the wall Deer Creek. I can also clear everything on Apex with them too. I realize riding technique has much to do with it but the tires just rock with traction. I can tell they are a little slower than some other tires but I love them for Dakota, white and hall ranch, Apex, Black Jack etc. I ran the UST 2.35's and had no issues until recently. Mine lasted all season, 700 miles. My front got damaged by a sharp rock on Apex and the casing broke and it won't hold air anymore. I am still running the rear and the front is good too but needs a tube.

    I was cruising Craig's list for UST tires and found this dude selling about 6-8 UST tires from, Maxxis, Schwalbe, Conti, and other brands all with good tread but the casings punctured. It made me feel a little better about my failure. Also compared to my buddies UST Weirwolves they are fantastical durable. He has so many punctures with those. I have no doubt the Trail Kings are better and the Hans Dampf's as well. They are so picking expensive though. Right now I am rolling on some 2.5 Conti Diesel UST's I got new on EBay for $13 each. They work well but are really soft and may not last long in CO. They roll better than the Nevegals.

    If you put in a lot of miles you might want to throw down the coin for the trail Kings or Hans Dampf's.
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    My gripe is that they don't suit my turning style. Though many people group them together, they are very different than the Minion DHF because of their significant transition knobs.

    Those transition knobs make for great, consistent feeling, overall traction in many situations. When you are aggressively turning they will feel awesome...until they don't. The round profile and transition knobs (the knobs between the ramped-center and side knobs) make for an nice feel across the tire when leaning into a turn..then they release with a vengence. You get to the edge of the knobs, and there isn't any place for the dirt to go except to the outside, and down you go, or at least scare the crap out of yourself.

    A tire with a big channel between the center and side knobs like the DHF will give a little drift as you really lean the tire over in a turn. Then that channel packs up with dirt and the side knobs bite like a ski edge allowing you to rally the turn as drifty or carvey as you want. Carvey is less scary.

    I generally try to lay off the brakes, lean the bike over and carry as much speed through a turn as possible, and I prefer the DHF or a similarly channelled front tire. I have friends and customers who don't turn like that. There is less lean and more bar turning. Nevegal works great for them.

    Have an idea how you ride, where you ride or even how you want to ride and talk to someone at a shop who knows their tires. They will hopefully get you pointed in the right direction. I find most interweb tire talk incredibly subjective and fairly maddening.

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    At this point flowtron, I have to agree with you. Especially after lidarman's post.

    Sorry I even brought it up. :banghead:

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron View Post

    Those transition knobs make for great, consistent feeling, overall traction in many situations. When you are aggressively turning they will feel awesome...until they don't..
    It helps to clip off every other transition knob on the Nevs, I think the ones closer to the side knobs. It's worth trying if you already own them, it will make them suck a little less. They came with my Remedy when I bought it a few years ago so I tried it out. I agree with SS though, not even close to burly enough for a rear tire.

    The Specialized Butchers have a more consistent feel than the Minion DHF, grip a little better and roll much, much faster... otherwise they are very similar. If you like the dhf, the Butcher is like an updated, improved version. Cheaper than Maxxis too, them and Schwalbe can take their $90 tires and...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLampitt View Post
    At this point flowtron, I have to agree with you. Especially after lidarman's post.

    Sorry I even brought it up. :banghead:
    It's a partially subjective question, depends a lot on the rider, but I don't think it's useless. We should probably make a tire thread sticky though because it's definitely a FAQ.
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