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    Monarch Crest trail report?

    Can anyone give me an inside scoop on riding the Monarch Crest Trail? Hoping to get it in this summer.

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    Not sure what you mean by inside scoop. I've only done it once, but my biggest recommendation is: take the shuttle up!
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    Monarch Crest trail report?

    Be prepared to climb. A lot. Most of the downhill is at the road at the end. If you are not feeling strong there is a bailout before the Rainbow trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bedell99 View Post
    Be prepared to climb. A lot. Most of the downhill is at the road at the end. If you are not feeling strong there is a bailout before the Rainbow trail.

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    Wait a second... I don't remember any climbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Wait a second... I don't remember any climbing.
    Besides physical decrepitude, loosing memory is also a sign you're getting old!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Besides physical decrepitude, loosing memory is also a sign you're getting old!
    I dunno... Monarch Crest just has a way of making you forget any climbing. At least the ways down I've tried. You can see the ribbon of trail if you look closely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gered Dunne View Post
    Nice write-up. That blog could use a fact-checker.

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    I don't take the shuttle, I hitchhike. Drive up to the top of Monarch Pass and park. Do the ride and include Rainbow Trail. Once back in Poncha Springs, ONE of you stands beside the road in FULL riding gear and hitch back up. Your buddies hold your bike OUT OF SIGHT. It is pretty obvious what you need and the wait will be short, promise. Spend that shuttle money on food and beers in Salida! Watch the weather, I've been snowed on. If the weather does not cooperate, ride the local Salida trails as they will not disappoint.

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    Up above treeline.

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    More above treeline.

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    After the Silver Creek descent. A great aspen grove traverse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Nice write-up. That blog could use a fact-checker.
    There's a huge grey area between fact and opinion don't you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gered Dunne View Post
    There's a huge grey area between fact and opinion don't you think?
    Well, kind of. Unless what you're talking about is a fact like that the Monarch Crest Trail ends at Marshall Pass, and the rest of what he described was just what most people do as part of their Monarch Crest Ride. Also, his descriptions of the turns and questions are kind of vague. That's not really fact .vs opinion, more like random observations of someone who didn't know the route but managed to figure it out because he had a copy of Absolute Bikes' excellent map.

    The snarky comments about everything from food to South Park, sure. Opinion that isn't necessarily wrong, just snarky.

    Speaking of buying a shuttle .vs hitching--there's another option. Ride your butt up there. I don't think I've done the Crest as part of a shuttle day since 2011 sometime. Can't remember... But you don't need to ride the highway all the way up. There are alternates. One of the detours has become a bit more difficult in the last couple years thanks to a cranky land-owner with a shotgun who has started getting up earlier and sitting near his window in summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gered Dunne View Post
    There's a huge grey area between fact and opinion don't you think?
    Nope. Facts tend to be... well, factual. Opinions, OTOH... you know what they say about those.

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    thanks for pointing that out. i've amended the TR to reflect the difference in the trail and the ride.

    hopefully no one thinks they can actually bring the blog along and use it to navigate in the backcountry. there's a big difference between adventure journalism and actual paper maps. i never like to give detailed turn by turn instruction, for the sake of liability and leaving something to the imagination. the absolute bikes map is excellent, and any out-of-towner should have a copy before they tackle the trail.

    would you mind sending along alternate routes to the shuttle? i'll post a quick follow up and add that as an option. gered@noreasterbackcountry.com

    thanks Tom!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gered Dunne View Post
    Can anyone give me an inside scoop on riding the Monarch Crest Trail? Hoping to get it in this summer...
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    ...found a good review with some nice pics.

    Nor'Easter Backcountry: The Monarch Crest Trail, Salida, Colorado...
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    thanks for pointing that out. i've amended the TR...

    hopefully no one thinks they can actually bring the blog along and use it to navigate in the backcountry. there's a big difference between adventure journalism and actual paper maps...would you mind sending along alternate routes to the shuttle? i'll post a quick follow up and add that as an option. gered@noreasterbackcountry.com

    thanks Tom!
    OK Gered, you are a laugh riot. You start a thread asking for a Crest Trail trail report. Then... you find one! A good review with nice pics...

    And, lo and behold, it's your own Trail Report!

    So you fancy yourself an Adventure Journalist do you?

    Thanks so much for the good belly laugh. You keep adventuring and journalisming and blowing your own horn. One day you'll be a famous blog star.
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    Glad you like the site, pics and review! I would have just posted the TR but for some reason trying to share TR's on MTBR without posting 10 times first is considered spam. And a good review with nice pics is never spam

    Between you, SkaredShtles, and my mom, we're inches closer to superblogging infamy and tens of dollars in profit. Hope you check back every now and again. It's a good site with some quality east coast resources if you ever find yourself out this way.

    So, about those alternates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gered Dunne View Post
    ...So, about those alternates?
    Here's a story about my favorite alternative to a shuttle. It's been a few years, but it's an OK story:

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    GPX from that night and day, if you're familiar with that technology:

    http://tom-purvis.com/gpx/FiggerEight.gpx

    Why doncha give that one a try, since you're "Hoping to get it in this summer."
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    awesome. sounds like a hell of a day. i'd have to do half a hundred laps to get the kind of distance and elevation you have in salida. you guys are lucky.

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    Wow, way to introduce yourself to the community and build trust for your blog. FAIL.

    First you lie to us all here, then direct us to your self aggrandizing blog where you insult anyone who enjoys better riding than VT offers (I've ridden there, before you accuse me of not knowing)... which is actually a lot of people! Your attempts at self deprecating humor fall far short of actually making people think you're actually joking about those things. And maybe you're not... I honestly can't tell. I guess that speaks to your writing ability, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    ... direct us to your self aggrandizing blog where you insult anyone who enjoys better riding than VT offers ...
    To me this is just high comedy. Like, what kind of world does this dude live in? Does he have some expectation that people in Colorado (readers of the mtbr FR forum) are going to start going to his out-of-state blog for information about riding here? Or that after being introduced to his blog by one (flawed) post about riding in Colorado, we are going to use it to read up for when we make a trip to Vermont to ride?

    I'm sure the riding there is very nice, but honestly why would anyone who lives in CO ever go there specifically to ride? 30 Hours of driving. When I can get to anywhere in Utah in 10. Anywhere in Oregon in 20. Whistler, BC in 25.

    And if I drive to one of those places to ride, I'll have places to stop and check out on the way. On the way to Vermont I'd have mountain bike meccas like Indiana to visit.

    I'm going to go to Vermont? No, I'm not.

    Man, unless I'm moving there, that blog could not be any less relevant to me than a blog about crocheting artisinal underwear from skunk hair.

    But hey Gered, keep it coming. It's always nice to have a good chuckle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    I'm going to go to Vermont? No, I'm not.

    Man, unless I'm moving there, that blog could not be any less relevant to me than a blog about crocheting artisinal underwear from skunk hair.

    But hey Gered, keep it coming. It's always nice to have a good chuckle.
    I know the year is still young, but this is my nomination for post of the year! +Rep must be shared for the laughs!

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    thank you for welcoming me so warmly into your community. i'm sorry that you missed my shock and awe at the grandeur of your state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    To me this is just high comedy. Like, what kind of world does this dude live in? Does he have some expectation that people in Colorado (readers of the mtbr FR forum) are going to start going to his out-of-state blog for information about riding here? Or that after being introduced to his blog by one (flawed) post about riding in Colorado, we are going to use it to read up for when we make a trip to Vermont to ride?

    I'm sure the riding there is very nice, but honestly why would anyone who lives in CO ever go there specifically to ride? 30 Hours of driving. When I can get to anywhere in Utah in 10. Anywhere in Oregon in 20. Whistler, BC in 25.

    And if I drive to one of those places to ride, I'll have places to stop and check out on the way. On the way to Vermont I'd have mountain bike meccas like Indiana to visit.

    I'm going to go to Vermont? No, I'm not.

    Man, unless I'm moving there, that blog could not be any less relevant to me than a blog about crocheting artisinal underwear from skunk hair.

    But hey Gered, keep it coming. It's always nice to have a good chuckle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gered Dunne View Post
    thank you for welcoming me so warmly into your community. i'm sorry that you missed my shock and awe at the grandeur of your state.

    ... I like Colorado quite a bit. Thankfully, most people I met there were from Vermont...

    through honest-to-goodness South Park, CO, which is just as miserable and surreal as the cartoon makes it out to be. Lots of grazing cattle and vacant stares from local frackers. Liquified petroleum is the #1 in South Park, but methamphetamines are not far off in 2nd...those meth addicts back in South Park kind of freaked me out...

    You'll know you're there when you find yourself saying "HEY! Who let dirt bikers ride up here???" Colorado did.
    Dude, you tried to play us. You made some snide comments about us. Sure, you liked our mountains. But how could you not like them?

    We all know how cool our mountains are. Every once in a while we put down the meth long enough to look around. We don't really need an elitist blogger from Vermont to help us out.

    Thanks though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Dude, you tried to play us. You made some snide comments about us. Sure, you liked our mountains. But how could you not like them?

    We all know how cool our mountains are. Every once in a while we put down the meth long enough to look around. We don't really need an elitist blogger from Vermont to help us out.

    Thanks though.
    wow. you guys are bunch of mean girls aren't you. hell, i was just sampling how active these forums are. apparently they're extremely active and dominated by huge pricks like you.

    i guess mainly i'm just sorry you had to grow up in south park dude. the truth cuts right to the bone doesn't it.

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    Next thing you'll try to tell us about 5hr descents in FL...oh wait, you did.

    Nor'Easter Backcountry: Santos Trails And the Endless Descent Dream

    LOL As an ex-FL resident I can see your writing style falls between extreme hyperbole and utter BS. Keep up the good work hunting for blog views. Blogs are so passé anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gered Dunne View Post
    ... huge pricks like you...
    Well, uh, yeah I guess it is pretty good-sized. Not sure how you know that, but yeah.



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    ... i guess mainly i'm just sorry you had to grow up in south park dude. the truth cuts right to the bone doesn't it.
    South Park scared you didn't it Gered? I know. It's scary out there. Those cows can be MEAN!
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    Entertainment factor of this thread is 9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    I'm sure the riding there is very nice, but honestly why would anyone who lives in CO ever go there specifically to ride? 30 Hours of driving. When I can get to anywhere in Utah in 10. Anywhere in Oregon in 20. Whistler, BC in 25.
    Well, I'll say that the Northeast Kingdom is worthy of a trip to ride there. Yes, we have access to all those places, but don't rule out the NEK!! It's not CO riding or Moab or the NS or anything, but I thoroughly enjoyed my trip there. I lived in Rhode Island at the time, but I'd go back there from CO for a riding specific trip.

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    Colorado's nice. There's great stuff here. And there's great stuff in the lesser-known parts of central New York. There's trails there that absolutely rip, and I never needed a west-coaster's approval to make them worthwhile when I rode there. But if you have a chip on yer shoulder, yer not gonna have a good time. And if you love rubber on dirt, it'll be fabulous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knobandcoaster View Post
    Colorado's nice. There's great stuff here. And there's great stuff in the lesser-known parts of central New York. There's trails there that absolutely rip, and I never needed a west-coaster's approval to make them worthwhile when I rode there. But if you have a chip on yer shoulder, yer not gonna have a good time. And if you love rubber on dirt, it'll be fabulous.
    Hey, I'm not slagging on east coast riding. My comments were a response to Mr Vermont-is-the-coolest-let-met-pretend-to-be-an-authority-about-CO. He's promoting his Northeast-oriented Adventure Journalism site here by posting a lame and snarky ride report about Colorado, and then pretending to be someone looking for it, and then finding it on his own site.

    I'm sure riding is great in the east. But you guys would go there because you have some other connection to there. You used to live there, you have family or inlaws there. Work takes you there. Something.

    I have none of that. If I'm going to pick someplace to travel to just for riding, my point was that I have a WHOLE WORLD of stuff to pick from that's totally awesome that's less than a 30 hour drive. Why would I cross the great plains and the Mississippi basin to go there? Because I also have some other reason to go there.

    Which I don't. Maybe you do.
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    Only other reason for me to drive over there is because family lives 1800 miles away. And then I do love the beautiful shaded woods, roots, and dirt. And hey look, a discussion where neither of us have called each other "mean girls" or "huge pricks". Are you taking notes there, Gered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knobandcoaster View Post
    ... hey look, a discussion where neither of us have called each other "mean girls" or "huge pricks"...
    For the record, I took "huge prick" as a compliment. I'm kind of hoping the word gets out... maybe I'll be able to stop taping that cucumber to my thigh when I go out to the bar.
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    or wrapping it in foil when you go through security . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    For the record, I took "huge prick" as a compliment. I'm kind of hoping the word gets out... maybe I'll be able to stop taping that cucumber to my thigh when I go out to the bar.
    Like that's gonna work with the 14 eligible wimmen in Salida.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Like that's gonna work with the 14 eligible wimmen in Salida.
    There are 14?!

    I was thinking that number was 3--do you know where the other 11 are?!

    (EDIT: the 3 I know of are actually sheep. Cute sheep, but, uh...

    What they do with the cucumber is kind of disturbing)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gered Dunne View Post
    Can anyone give me an inside scoop on riding the Monarch Crest Trail? Hoping to get it in this summer.

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    found a good review with some nice pics.

    Nor'Easter Backcountry: The Monarch Crest Trail, Salida, Colorado...By Gered Dunne
    (link removed to protect the innocent)


    I was just playing around with the new "Multi-quote this message" feature. It's pretty slick!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gered Dunne View Post
    wow. you guys are bunch of mean girls aren't you. hell, i was just sampling how active these forums are. apparently they're extremely active and dominated by huge pricks like you.

    i guess mainly i'm just sorry you had to grow up in south park dude. the truth cuts right to the bone doesn't it.
    ****ing hell, you just don't get it... Who gives a **** where you live, what you have to blather about CO, your "bad-ass" riding (I finished the Breck 100 btw) or how you're "just searching for info"

    You're a complete ****-bag liar. You posted a "most awesome" link to your own site after posting a question about a well-documented ride. How does that make you anything (thing, no who) less than a complete, utter ****** bag?

    I do have to thank you for reminding me why I moved away from the east ******-coast 21 years ago.

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    I'm originally from NY and the riding is ok, but compared to the West? I'll take Colorado and Utah. Just like the skiing, it was fun when I lived there but the West is new level. Its also different riding. I like to say bigger riding, while the Northeast is more rooty and rocky. In July I will visit my parents again and bring out my bike. I hope to hit up some trails upstate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jradin View Post
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    I was just playing around with the new "Multi-quote this message" feature. It's pretty slick!
    Am, new? What's new about it? It's been around for a while unless I'm missing something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    Am, new? What's new about it? It's been around for a while unless I'm missing something.
    Well, new to me at least.

    Of course color monitors still seem pretty new to me, so I'm hardly setting the tech-savy standard.

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    You're a complete ****-bag liar. You posted a "most awesome" link to your own site after posting a question about a well-documented ride. How does that make you anything (thing, no who) less than a complete, utter ****** bag?

    I do have to thank you for reminding me why I moved away from the east ******-coast 21 years ago.[/QUOTE]

    Are you taking notes here Knobandcoaster? Maybe I shouldn't have been surprised to find that people from CO don't like outsiders taking shots at their land use policy and drug problems, but I think I was spot on in pointing out that they are in fact a bunch of degenerate aholes.

    My mistake to start a self serving thread, although only done while learning my way around the forum. Certainly the Front Range forum is an active bunch but could take come cues from TGR if they really want to up their spammer bashing expletive slinging games.

    skared****le, glad you enjoyed the writeup

    tom, if you do want to talk shop when i'm back in CO, let me know. we can do beer summit and you can post something nice on your blog about how you really stuck it to those damned yankees.

    skiahh, good to hear you've spent a little time in the kingdom. maybe we'll see you round trout river someday soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gered Dunne View Post
    ... tom, if you do want to talk shop when i'm back in CO, let me know. we can do beer summit and you can post something nice on your blog about how you really stuck it to those damned yankees...
    Sure, look me up! If you have trouble finding me, just look around town for an old guy walking my sheep (Linda) around town. I bet I could get you a date with Linda's sister while you're here. She's kind of a tramp though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gered Dunne View Post
    "about how you really stuck it to those damned yankees."

    "good to hear you've spent a little time in the kingdom"
    Just a couple of questions, first do people in Northern New England really think that people in the mountain west identify with the Confederacy and call northern east coast people "damned Yankees"? And, do they really call the area they live "THE KINGDOM"? Maybe I'm just a uneducated western hick but referring to your region as the Kingdom seems just slightly arrogant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davemk View Post
    Just a couple of questions, first do people in Northern New England really think that people in the mountain west identify with the Confederacy and call northern east coast people "damned Yankees"? And, do they really call the area they live "THE KINGDOM"? Maybe I'm just a uneducated western hick but referring to your region as the Kingdom seems just slightly arrogant.
    I spent 40 years in New England and lived in 5 of its 6 states. No, and no. Just Gered...


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    Quote Originally Posted by davemk View Post
    Just a couple of questions, first do people in Northern New England really think that people in the mountain west identify with the Confederacy and call northern east coast people "damned Yankees"? And, do they really call the area they live "THE KINGDOM"? Maybe I'm just a uneducated western hick but referring to your region as the Kingdom seems just slightly arrogant.
    If you're curious: The Man Who Gave Birth to the Northeast Kingdom ? George Aiken

    And as for the area, it's as beautiful as anywhere out here in the west (and I've lived in CO and WA and traveled extensively in the west; I'm originally from ME) and in the fall, pretty much tops anything out here for pure aesthetics. Though I have to admit, some of the pictures of Moab in the snow this year are pretty amazing, too; something I need to see for myself to compare the two!
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    The trip report/blog from Gered is pure gold and full of butthurt. Thanks for the lulz.

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    my pleasure. and yes, the NEK is the one and only Kingdom.

    i've seen that george aiken book but not read it. it's a coffee table piece at a number of homes in St. J.

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