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    Monarch Crest with all this rain?

    How does Monarch Crest hold up with this quantity of moisture? I was planning to ride it Friday but don't want to hurt the trails or be riding trails that are already in rough shape.

    If it's raining Friday morning I'm probably gonna bail anyway; no sense destroying my brakes & drivetrain and I've done enough all-day rides in the rain from my years of living in Seattle & Olympia.

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    The actual crest portion (at or above treeline) is mostly gravel so it tends to soak up rain (expect puddles) but once you get back into the trees it turns to actual soil/mud and just past the shelter cabin (Greens Creek junction?) that climb has some clay. If it rains hard the day before (or raining for several days) which is likely in the monsoon I wouldn't ride it. Getting caught up there in a monsoon would not be fun either.

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    Good to know about the clay and the soil/mud in the trees. I was thinking the alpine parts would probably dry out quickly but didn't really think about the *rest* of it...

    And yeah, being on that trail in a storm would suck in all sorts of ways.

    Thanks for the advice!

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    Do yourself a favor and hit Buffalo Creek instead. It's going to be in PRIME condition this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    Do yourself a favor and hit Buffalo Creek instead. It's going to be in PRIME condition this weekend.
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    Hello Autumn

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    I was organizing a ride for the Crest on Thursday of this week. The weather looks nice the rest of the week. Do you think there would be any chance to squeeze in a ride with that amount of snow currently on the ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drmurrow View Post
    I was organizing a ride for the Crest on Thursday of this week. The weather looks nice the rest of the week. Do you think there would be any chance to squeeze in a ride with that amount of snow currently on the ground?
    Yep. I wouldn't consider this to be a Crest-closer. There could still be a little slush in shady places by later this week, but that depends entirely on what things are like the rest of the week. I'll let you know what I hear as the week wears on. But I wouldn't scrub the mission just yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Yep. I wouldn't consider this to be a Crest-closer. There could still be a little slush in shady places by later this week, but that depends entirely on what things are like the rest of the week. I'll let you know what I hear as the week wears on. But I wouldn't scrub the mission just yet.
    Sunny and windy all week is just what the dr ordered to clear the Crest up...

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    I got in a Crest ride on Friday. There were some ice crystals in the puddles up high, and numerous little wet holes coming down through the trees. All in all, though, the trail was in great shape.

    I hope it's open for you too.








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    Thanks Tom. I will look for an update from you in a few days. I had so much fun on the crest 3 weeks ago I am trying to squeeze in another ride before the season winds down.

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    Some buddies and I are converging on Salida from Colorado Springs, Durango, and DC this weekend. We're hoping the Crest Trail is good to go! If not, would it be safe to assume that the Rainbow Trail and "S" (in town) trails should be good to go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisgardner73 View Post
    Some buddies and I are converging on Salida from Colorado Springs, Durango, and DC this weekend. We're hoping the Crest Trail is good to go! If not, would it be safe to assume that the Rainbow Trail and "S" (in town) trails should be good to go?
    Totally. Especially if the prediction for the week's weather comes true.

    The Rainbow Trail from Silver Creek to 285 is almost always perfectly good through mid to late October, the section of Rainbow South of town on Methodist almost always good through a large part of November.

    The S-Mountain trails (AKA The Arkansas Hills Trail System) as well as the Methodist Mountain Trail System (Little Rainbow, Double Rainbow, Lost Trail, Racetrack) is almost certain to be fine until Christmas. Last year we rode that stuff every month of the year...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Totally. Especially if the prediction for the week's weather comes true.

    The Rainbow Trail from Silver Creek to 285 is almost always perfectly good through mid to late October, the section of Rainbow South of town on Methodist almost always good through a large part of November.

    The S-Mountain trails (AKA The Arkansas Hills Trail System) as well as the Methodist Mountain Trail System (Little Rainbow, Double Rainbow, Lost Trail, Racetrack) is almost certain to be fine until Christmas. Last year we rode that stuff every month of the year...
    Perfect! Thanks Tom!

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    Rode Monarch Crest for the first time yesterday. Got a good bit of cold drizzle on the way up but it wasn't too bad. Cleared up by the time I hit Green's Creek which I have to say is my favorite trail I've ever ridden. Hoping I can get one more ride in up there and hit Green's again and Agate which I heard is even better.
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    Hard to say what the Monarch pass area got but there is 4-8" of snow above TL in the Summit area today. It was cold, broken clouds and windy today. The next couple days are supposed to be fairly nice then another wintery storm on NW flow Thurs-Fri. That might not mean much for the Monarch area, but I'd have a plan B in mind.

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    7" of snow at Monarch Mountain... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...2&l=58c7bf0f0b
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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Hard to say what the Monarch pass area got but there is 4-8" of snow above TL in the Summit area today. It was cold, broken clouds and windy today. The next couple days are supposed to be fairly nice then another wintery storm on NW flow Thurs-Fri. That might not mean much for the Monarch area, but I'd have a plan B in mind.
    True, having a Plan B is a good idea. It's looking super nice today, and the ground isn't frozen, so I can't imagine this snow (even 7-8" of it) sticking around for long. But if Thursday does bring in another dose of winter it could be pretty much fat lady singing up on the Crest for 2013.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    True, having a Plan B is a good idea. It's looking super nice today, and the ground isn't frozen, so I can't imagine this snow (even 7-8" of it) sticking around for long. But if Thursday does bring in another dose of winter it could be pretty much fat lady singing up on the Crest for 2013.
    Does Thursday morning/afternoon look clear to ride? Taking two days off later this week to ride in between a new job, but it looks like my high country plans might get crushed by snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klucks View Post
    Does Thursday morning/afternoon look clear to ride? Taking two days off later this week to ride in between a new job, but it looks like my high country plans might get crushed by snow.
    From what I see from the NWS, Thursday looks good. Friday shows 30% of snow when you focus on Monarch Pass. But yeah, if I had to put money on it, I'd say you could get a Crest Ride in on Thursday.

    Never know until the day comes up here though. Have a Plan B (there are other rides around here you know--Salida's town weather shows sunny and 60's every day this week).
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    I am still banking on a Thursday crest ride. I hope a lot of the snow melts today and tomorrow.

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    South-facing stuff appears to be clearing. Bodes well...


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    No good

    Top of Green's y-day:

    They tried to roll along the crest next, but the 24" drifts turned them around, and they headed back down Green's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lubes17319 View Post
    Top of Green's y-day:

    They tried to roll along the crest next, but the 24" drifts turned them around, and they headed back down Green's.
    Was this yesterday? I'm all packed to spend a few days out there to bike Monarch. This makes me think my plans are doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klucks View Post
    Was this yesterday? I'm all packed to spend a few days out there to bike Monarch. This makes me think my plans are doomed.
    I spent a last week in Durango for work. Never been there before so didn't bring a bike...not like I would have had time anyway. That town has potential! I'd look there for some dry dirt and fulfilling your yayaz!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    I spent a last week in Durango for work. Never been there before so didn't bring a bike...not like I would have had time anyway. That town has potential! I'd look there for some dry dirt and fulfilling your yayaz!
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    Was this yesterday? I'm all packed to spend a few days out there to bike Monarch. This makes me think my plans are doomed.
    As I've said so many times that I sound like an idiot There is more to ride near Salida than just the Monarch Crest.

    But yeah. Go to Durango. Ride Hermosa Creek 5 days in a row.
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    I am pulling the plug on my Monarch Crest trip tomorrow. Oh well, atleast I was able to ride it 3 weeks ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drmurrow View Post
    I am pulling the plug on my Monarch Crest trip tomorrow. Oh well, atleast I was able to ride it 3 weeks ago.
    Yeah, doesn't look good. You check check out the live feeds from the ski area (which is lower in elevation).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pastajet View Post
    Yeah, doesn't look good. You check check out the live feeds from the ski area (which is lower in elevation).

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    Probably be passable, but messy. I wouldn't do it...

    But the Crest isn't really my thing these days. I actually only rode it 1.5 times this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Probably be passable, but messy. I wouldn't do it...

    But the Crest isn't really my thing these days. I actually only rode it 1.5 times this year.
    Tom - only a half a ride?

    I'll probably do something along the CDT. I might bail on the my alternative Kenosha ride since it appeared to have snow issues.

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    Got an invite to do either The Crest or Ken/Georgia for Sun. Buff Crik it is...

    Edit: anyone know how long Sedona will be good for until they're full blown winter?
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    TomP - What trails would you reccomend in Salida?? I had planned on coming out for Monarch > Rainbow, and then hitting Kenosha to GP on the way back home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Got an invite to do either The Crest or Ken/Georgia for Sun. Buff Crik it is...

    Edit: anyone know how long Sedona will be good for until they're full blown winter?
    Sedona? If you're talking AZ, Sedona is quite often rideable all year...

    But I think you're talking Salida maybe? Sedalia?

    Salida tends to have rideable singletrack below 10,000 feet available into November. Depends on the year.

    Our closer to town stuff tends to say open most of the year. Depends on whether we get low-country snow. In 2011-12 winter when the high country got like nothing + nothing, there was enough snow around town to keep the trails screwed up for much of the winter.

    But last winter we rode the local trails below 8,000 feet every month of the year. Cottonwood Gulch (north of town, high point 9,000 feet) had deep enough snow to keep people from wanting to ride it between December and late February.

    Klucks, I'd probably have you ride Bear Creek Rainbow to Sand Gulch down then Double Rainbow+Little Rainbow+Lost Trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pastajet View Post
    Tom - only a half a ride?

    I'll probably do something along the CDT. I might bail on the my alternative Kenosha ride since it appeared to have snow issues.
    Early season when I'd heard a rumor that the Crest was rideable, I had climbed up to Marshall Pass and on a whim I went backwords up the Crest to Greens then down Greens. That was the half ride.

    The only other time I rode it this year was in August when I rode the Vapor Trail 125 course:

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Sedona? If you're talking AZ, Sedona is quite often rideable all year...

    But I think you're talking Salida maybe? Sedalia?

    Salida tends to have rideable singletrack below 10,000 feet available into November. Depends on the year.

    Our closer to town stuff tends to say open most of the year. Depends on whether we get low-country snow. In 2011-12 winter when the high country got like nothing + nothing, there was enough snow around town to keep the trails screwed up for much of the winter.

    But last winter we rode the local trails below 8,000 feet every month of the year. Cottonwood Gulch (north of town, high point 9,000 feet) had deep enough snow to keep people from wanting to ride it between December and late February.

    Klucks, I'd probably have you ride Bear Creek Rainbow to Sand Gulch down then Double Rainbow+Little Rainbow+Lost Trail.
    I meant AZ...know som peeps down that way. And, with the prospects of the Gov shutting down...collecting unemployment as job-attached and riding bikes down south wouldn't be too bad a way to spend a week, yeah?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    I meant AZ...know som peeps down that way. And, with the prospects of the Gov shutting down...collecting unemployment as job-attached and riding bikes down south wouldn't be too bad a way to spend a week, yeah?
    That sounds like a pretty good plan.

    In my experience, Sedona runs at a similar temperature to Moab. A couple hundred feet higher, a little further south, a little closer to truly hot desert...

    So figure Sedona is probably good most years through November, and some days of every month of the year are at least warm enough to ride.

    But once you're as far down as Sedona, if it's into November do yourself a favor and slip a little further south. Tucson is super nice between Halloween and April Fools Day. Little storms blow through, but normal days are sweet all through winter. And I've been hearing rave reviews of the Black Canyon Trail north of Phoenix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    That sounds like a pretty good plan.

    In my experience, Sedona runs at a similar temperature to Moab. A couple hundred feet higher, a little further south, a little closer to truly hot desert...

    So figure Sedona is probably good most years through November, and some days of every month of the year are at least warm enough to ride.

    But once you're as far down as Sedona, if it's into November do yourself a favor and slip a little further south. Tucson is super nice between Halloween and April Fools Day. Little storms blow through, but normal days are sweet all through winter. And I've been hearing rave reviews of the Black Canyon Trail north of Phoenix.
    Yeah, the peeps I know are in Phoenix and S Mountain and Black Canyon is what they're telling me to hit. But, next week wouldn't quite be Nov yet... However, a Nov trip isn't out of the question if I get the jonez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Yeah, the peeps I know are in Phoenix and S Mountain and Black Canyon is what they're telling me to hit. But, next week wouldn't quite be Nov yet... However, a Nov trip isn't out of the question if I get the jonez.
    I've ridden Sedona in Dec. and Jan. , generally chilly at night but very pleasant during the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Probably be passable, but messy. I wouldn't do it...

    But the Crest isn't really my thing these days. I actually only rode it 1.5 times this year.
    1-1/2 times more than I have this year. Talked to Keefus McDarnellton this evening and he said they're a few 2-3' drifts up on the Crest, Canyon Crick is probably the same and it'll all need at least a week with no snow and warmer temps. We'll see how the next couple'a turn out, but I might be headed down in a couple weeks to attempt a high country affair and see a rock show in Gunnibird. Heck, maybe a visit to Hartman is in order if the snow sticks... I've never ridden there and it seems rude not to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Klucks, I'd probably have you ride Bear Creek Rainbow to Sand Gulch down then Double Rainbow+Little Rainbow+Lost Trail.
    Any chance you have a Strava map of this route or would a map in town do the trick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klucks View Post
    Any chance you have a Strava map of this route or would a map in town do the trick?
    GPX?

    http://tom-purvis.com/gpx/RainbowBea...t8-11-2013.gpx
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