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    New question here. Maverick ML8 vs Santa Cruz Nomad

    Ok, so i am ready to get a freeride/am bike. Want a build up under or as close to 30lbs as possible. I have narrowed it down to an ML8 and a Nomad. I like the build options better that come with the ML8. If i got a nomad i would probably build it frame up with a fox dhx air and a 36 talas 1.5 steerer. along with xo grupo and hadley hubs/ 823 rims.

    Help me decide please. I am leaning more towards the Nomad, but everyone seems to have pretty big boners over their ML8's. A plus is that I live in boulder and could get shock service pretty easily but fox stuff is pretty easy to service on my own i suppose. Thanks

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    Personally, I'd say it's up to you.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    See if there is anywhere you can testride each one before you buy it.
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    Test drive them both. Here is a link to Mav (which you probably already saw) with a video about the monolink system they have.

    http://www.maverickbike.com/main/do/Monolink_Technology

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    Mav might be ok, but I wouldn't buy a Taiwanese made frame at that price.
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    gonna demo for sure. in mexico till may so i wanted some opinions first cause i cant stop thinking about what im going to get

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    Don't discount those little tai kids... They can weld pretty good for only being 10 yrs old and paid a buck a day.
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    You may have purchased an American made frame, but every other component on the bike is foreign.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    April foolz was yesterday!!!

    The mavericks are maintinence nightmares. They can't even touch the Nomad on the DH. Mavericks suspension was designed to be a good uphiller NOT and DH/FR bike.

    If I were you and wanted a true DH/FR trail worthy bike I wouldn't even look at the maverick.

    NOMAD all the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    You may have purchased an American made frame, but every other component on the bike is foreign.

    I don't have anything against products made in Taiwan, my issue is with companies who charge a premium for them... especially companies who started in the USA (Maverick AMERICAN), and then don't reduce their prices when they outsource. Apparently they dropped the "American" from their name, but they didn't drop their prices.
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    If we are going to buy American aren't we pretty much limited to beer and prostitutes?


    Not knowing anything about the ML8 I guess the correct choice would be Nomad. Of course, riding one does make me biased...
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    Nomad!!!

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    shouldn't be any question in your mind, go for the nomad..

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    Where's the Nonad made again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    Where's the Nonad made again?
    I think its made by a Swedish company in Portland... SAPA?
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    My reco for what you're looking for would be the Nomad.
    That said, Mike West was crushing Semi Pro DH last year on a ML8 with a Boxxer then a 40 up front. So those bikes do seem to go downhill just fine, under a very accomplished Pro XC rider.
    Ariel Lindsley was doing it the year before.
    Both guys worked/raced for Maverick and probably had some special sauce in the r. suspension, but the bikes seemed to work well for them at speed.
    The Nomad is going to be better for a bit of hucking, and a 36 pwns DUC32.

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    I'd get the Nomad. I'm sure Mavericks are a lot of fun to ride, but I find the company's willful snubbing of industry standards annoying rather than charming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    I think its made by a Swedish company in Portland... SAPA?
    Are you surRrrrre?.....
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    Regardless of where they're made, and I believe both the Nomad and the ML8 get here on the same boat, there is something to be said about supporting local business. Ultimately, you'll see at least some of those greenbacks spent back in Colorado (you don't hate Yeti, do you?).

    But the decision ought to ultimately be based on how the bike rides. Geometry wise, they ought to produce about the same numbers given same forks. The ML8 will have a slightly shorter chainstay and will produce less pedal kickback on the bumps. On the flip side, your whole BB moves on the bumps and that may take some getting used to. Certainly you should demo both.

    _MK

    P.S. hairylegs' comment about their willful snubbing of the industry standards is funny and pretty much spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    Are you surRrrrre?.....
    Turners and SC VPP bikes are made there:

    http://www.sapagroup.com/us/Company-...a-Bike-Frames/

    MK, you are wrong, they don't come over "on the same boat".

    Edit: the Nomad, V10 and Stigmata are made @ sapa. I heard Turners are made there directly from DT himself...
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    Something tells me that going head to head with DWF regarding the bicycle industry might be poorly executed move.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    Something tells me that going head to head with DWF regarding the bicycle industry might be poorly executed move.
    I honestly don't know. I've heard that they shifted them overseas, but I don't know if for fact. I would "like" to know, however.
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    gonna demo for sure but almost positive that i will get a nomad. want to come in under 30 lbs on a large frame. is this possible. put a post up in the santa cruz section with this same question and my parts list so far

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    That might be possible, but it's awfully aggressive. If you are looking for a "freeride/am bike," why are you trying to get sub 30 lbs? Do you want to replace components often? I'd consider sacrificing some weight for more performance.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    Turners and SC VPP bikes are made there:

    http://www.sapagroup.com/us/Company-...a-Bike-Frames/

    MK, you are wrong, they don't come over "on the same boat".
    Where does it say that on their site? I can't find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    I honestly don't know. I've heard that they shifted them overseas, but I don't know if for fact. I would "like" to know, however.
    I would too if that is the case. This is info I researched last year.

    The Bullit and Heckler are def. made in Taiwan.

    Edit: they did shift some production of VPP bikes overseas. SAPA currently makes the Nomad, V-10 and Stigmata (a road bike). 2 minutes on the phone with SC tech cleared it up. I didn't ask which overseas company makes the rest...
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    <snip> I didn't ask which overseas company makes the rest...
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    I would too if that is the case. This is info I researched last year.

    The Bullit and Heckler are def. made in Taiwan.

    Edit: they did shift some production of VPP bikes overseas. SAPA currently makes the Nomad, V-10 and Stigmata (a road bike). 2 minutes on the phone with SC tech cleared it up. I didn't ask which overseas company makes the rest...
    Make sense that their higher production stuff is farmed out overseas and their lower production stuff is made by SAPA.

    Based on this new information, I recommend getting the Delirium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    That might be possible, but it's awfully aggressive. If you are looking for a "freeride/am bike," why are you trying to get sub 30 lbs? Do you want to replace components often? I'd consider sacrificing some weight for more performance.
    Hey mine is around 31. It's been pretty sturdy so far... other than that pedal thing!

    As far as where they are made......Here is a snippet from a thread in the Santa Cruz forum:

    below is an email from Santa Cruz that was posted in the thread.

    Email received from Santa Cruz this morning:

    Hi Ryan,
    All of the design work and prototyping of all Santa Cruz frames is done here in Santa Cruz, for tubing fabrication and welding production we use vendors, then back to Santa Cruz for inspection, finishing, and assembly before shipping out to dealers and distributors.

    The current Nomad, Blur-4X, VP-Free, Stigmata, and V10 frames are made in the USA.
    *Labeled - Made in the USA

    The current Juliana SL, Superlight, Heckler, Bullit, Blur-LT, Blur-XC, Jackal and Chameleon frames are for the most part made in Taiwan with the QC/final inspection, powdercoating, assembly, etc. done here in Santa Cruz, California.
    *Labeled * Made in Taiwan

    Thanks for your interest in Santa Cruz, and let me know if you have any other questions.

    Scott Turner - Santa Cruz Bicycles
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    sweet thats cool to know

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    Bummer about your choices....

    .....was the handle 'Hucknorris' already taken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    That might be possible, but it's awfully aggressive. If you are looking for a "freeride/am bike," why are you trying to get sub 30 lbs? Do you want to replace components often? I'd consider sacrificing some weight for more performance.
    Some of us are "normal" size and a 31# Nomad feels and performs right.
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    awww wish i had thought of that. I wouldn't want to upset Mr. Norris by Euphamizing his name in such a manner. No one can ride faster than Chuck Norris can walk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chucknorris
    awww wish i had thought of that. I wouldn't want to upset Mr. Norris by Euphamizing his name in such a manner. No one can ride faster than Chuck Norris can walk!
    I don't idolize Chuck Norris, so I wouldn't know.

    I bet that name is available.

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    Real riders ride a Karate Monkey 29er.


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    +1.....for registering the user name
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huck Norris
    Real riders ride a Karate Monkey 29er.


    Nice Cross bike. Let us know when you actually ride something technical with those silly road bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIMBERRR
    Nice Cross bike. Let us know when you actually ride something technical with those silly road bars.

    +2. The tool who equates 29" wheels with any kind of suspension has either:

    A. Never ridden any type of FS, or

    B. Never actually ridden on dirt.
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    Are you guys are totally missing the martial arts ref?

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    I get the Karate=Chuck norris stuff. I just think those road bars are goofy.

    Also 29ers should have only one speed. Then it would be worthy of Chuck Norris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    Are you guys are totally missing the martial arts ref?
    No way - I wish I would have thought of "Huck Norris" - I was just seizing the opportunity to flush the kool aide drinkers from among our ranks. I feel like I've earned the right, having put a few miles on my own (non - "kiddie wheeled" bike) recently.


    I think I prefer my kiddie wheels, thank you. I can't shake the feeling that I'm way the hell up in the air every time I dive into a corner.
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    copied this from the santa cruz website. does anyone else find this funny?
    "Make sure you always have it inserted a minimum of 4Ē (100mm)."

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    I'll admit, I did a double take in the parking lot when the Thunder Lizard rolled up on a SS 29er. Shorts were getting disturbingly close to knickers.

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    I think the roadie bars are on par since Chuck Norris is such a ghey Macho Dude.

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    ML8 has been scientifically proven to be be a faster bike than all others in the category. It's cool to chose another bike like a Nomad, as long as you know you'll be slower.

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    seems like if you're riding a 29er, the only way to look normal would be to wear long shorts


    kidding, sort of


    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron
    I'll admit, I did a double take in the parking lot when the Thunder Lizard rolled up on a SS 29er. Shorts were getting disturbingly close to knickers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by do-a-wheelie
    ML8 has been scientifically proven to be be a faster bike than all others in the category. It's cool to chose another bike like a Nomad, as long as you know you'll be slower.

    April foolz!!!! Day late.

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    What's also cool is to put a DUC fork on a Nomad. It reverses some of the slowness relative to the ML8. DUC's are faster lighter better, plus they look cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by do-a-wheelie
    What's also cool is to put a DUC fork on a Nomad. It reverses some of the slowness relative to the ML8. DUC's are faster lighter better, plus they look cool.
    Have you been sniffin GLUE?

    I have a bud that had one on his Nomad and it was way to steep. He is much happier now that it's gone.

    Faster=NO! Lighter= sure but it doesn't make it better. Asthetics=??? I guess you pop the collar on your POLO shirt too.


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    I almost forgot. Adding a Maverick Speedball will also make the bike faster. As it does to any bike it's added too. But after adding the Duc and the Speedball you might as well have bought the ML8. hmmmm. Tough choice between 2 good bikes. In the end I would choose the bike that makes you smile the most.

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