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    Let's revisit the group order for the Chinese carbon rims

    So it has been a few months and the sequester and the previous conversation about the procurement of Chinese carbon rims went nowhere.

    Fast forward to now and Light-bicycle have new rims to offer for AM/DH riding.
    new-26er-rim-specially-designed-for-all-mountain-and-downhill-bikes Light-Bicycle

    They're 33mm wide externally, 26mm internal and are 30mm deep. The claimed weight is 375g +/- 10g and 450g +/- 10g for the reinforced DH version. $170ea. standard/ $178ea. reinforced. Some discount in volume but not much if it's like before; main advantage is shipping saving which is ~$50 for a pair.

    Let's revisit the group order for the Chinese carbon rims-new-26er-33mm-outer-width.jpg

    These rims are swaying me to shell out the money (esp. since my rear rim is pretty tweaked and needs to be replaced either way).

    I'd like to gauge interest; if we can come up with 5 interested for a set, that should be enough to make the hassle worthwhile; I'm trying to get exact figure on "volume" pricing.

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    My pair should be here in a week.

    I mean BUMP.
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    Heh. My pair arrived about two weeks ago. I christened them on this.

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    You got the DH width rims? I thought I was getting the first pair in the US. Also, I've never ridden around Guanella but now I'm curious.
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    The 33mm rims just got released so you'll probably be the first in the US sporting them.

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    More info:

    10 to 20 rims: $8 discount per rim
    20 to 30 rims: $12 discount per rim
    30+ rims : $15 discount per rim

    Rims can be mixed so any of their carbon rims are fair game; they have:
    29er XC: cross country bike carbon mountain biking 29er rim clincher Light-Bicycle
    29er AM: Wider carbon mountain 29er rims clincher(tubeless-compatible) Light-Bicycle
    26er XC: 26er MTB carbon MTB rim clincher Light-Bicycle
    26er AM: wider mtb 26er carbon bike rim 26 inch rims(tubeless-compatible) Light-Bicycle
    NEW 26er mentioned above
    and 650B: carbon mountain bike 650b rim mtb 27.5 rim Light-Bicycle

    The 650B and wider 29er (as well as the 33mm 26er) use the new molding process outlined here:
    Technology Improve Of Light-Bicycle Carbon MTB 650B Rims Light-Bicycle

    They've just posted a note that out of 4100 rims sold since the introduction of their new process they've nearly eliminated rim cracking issue: Big change-new manufacture process is applied for Mountain Bike(MTB) carbon rim Light-Bicycle

    Now, if you decide to get a set of rims, take a moment and figure out which finish you want (3k, 12k or UD; matte or glossy); it's just a cosmetic layer but you have a choice and may as well take advantage. The 3k 12K UD carbon fiber weave for rim and frame - a set on Flickr

    Figure out how many spoke holes you want drilled (28/32/36 or some exotic number).

    Finally, decide whether you want to use internal (sometimes called inverted or hidden) nipples or standard nips. Brass is recommended due to galvanic corrosion caused by presence of carbon fiber although hard anodized aluminum is also showing to be promising. Advantage of internal nipples is smaller diameter hole being drilled in the rim which should make the rim less prone to failure at the spoke interface; the disadvantage is reduced selection of nipples an likely increased cost. Dealing with figuring out proper spoke length is another complexity (I am reading that consensus is that you add 10mm to the spoke length if you're gonna do the internal nipples).

    So far we have interest for two sets of rims or 4 rims total.

    MK : 2x 33mm wide 26er rims
    coyotegulch: 2x 29er XC rims

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    Been riding my Wide 29er ones for about 350 miles now, so far so good. Plenty of scuffs in the carbon from errant scree and rocks, but not exactly what you'd call a "long term test" yet.

    Still, I'm pleased so far.
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    Thanks for all of the info MK. I see they also also offer built up wheels but the rims seem to be much more popular. Is the general consensus that it's better to build your own? Has anyone ordered the fully built wheels yet? I know squat about building wheels and don't own a truing stand. I am in the market for a new rear wheel though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    You got the DH width rims? I thought I was getting the first pair in the US. Also, I've never ridden around Guanella but now I'm curious.
    Actually I just got the "wider" 26" rims.

    Curiosity killed the cat, you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbklutz View Post
    Thanks for all of the info MK. I see they also also offer built up wheels but the rims seem to be much more popular. Is the general consensus that it's better to build your own? Has anyone ordered the fully built wheels yet? I know squat about building wheels and don't own a truing stand. I am in the market for a new rear wheel though...
    Yup. I got the fully built wheels. Hubs are nice. Durability obviously is up in the air at this point. But the wheels took a godawful shellacking weekend before last and everything looks good so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Yup. I got the fully built wheels. Hubs are nice. Durability obviously is up in the air at this point. But the wheels took a godawful shellacking weekend before last and everything looks good so far.
    You two should have a boy date for a bit of show and tell!

    Da Klutz has seen the 29er version up on Bowman's this past wknd...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Actually I just got the "wider" 26" rims.

    Curiosity killed the cat, you know.
    My "wider 26" rims have held up perfectly to the abuse I've been dishing out for 7 months. Many Enduro races and full on DH runs on a 7" bike. I'm looking forward to putting the DH width rims on my V10.
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    I am interested in a set of the new 33mm wide rims built up to 400gms. I have spoken to Nancy and she can do that. Not sure if I just want rims yet or prebuilt wheels though. As of the 5th I will be living in Colorado, I know my profile still says BC which would not work well for a group buy with you guys....

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    Hmmm... where do I find pricing on built up 650b? 15QR front/135QR rear

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    Here are details on the 650B build up wheels:
    carbon MTB 650B wheel mountain bike 27.5 wheels Light-Bicycle

    You may need to email Nancy about pricing for specific hub/spoke/rim combos. They outline the hub models used, you probably need to do a little research about them.

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    Anyone on the XC 29er ones? I"m tempted to try one.

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    Check out this thread:
    (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?

    It's been going on for about a year and is 42 pages long. It's all about the rims; one year's history worth or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay View Post
    Anyone on the XC 29er ones? I"m tempted to try one.
    Way more people are getting the "wide AM" rims than the "narrow XC". They didn't even bother to make a narrow 650 rim. The width difference is significant and the weight difference is only 30-40g.
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    So, the question now is: did I waste money buying the Envie's, should I have just bought these instead????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Pancroft View Post
    So, the question now is: did I waste money buying the Envie's, should I have just bought these instead????
    Probably only time will tell - if they last 3x as long as the light-bicycles wheels... I'd say you didn't waste your money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Probably only time will tell - if they last 3x as long as the light-bicycles wheels... I'd say you didn't waste your money.
    They cost about 5 times as much. So far I've seen 2 cracked Enves in person and one cracked LB on the internet. For the price difference I think the LB is the much better choice. If you're worried about durability you could have a spare set orf rims ready to swap in if one cracks. Enve and Easton rims are a big $ commitment. LB rims only cost double what standard rims cost.
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    I'm curious about the "hookless" tubeless system. Seems the bead doesn't 'snap' or seat itself like a traditional TLR/UST system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    They cost about 5 times as much.
    You're right - I was checking the XC version which were a bit under $2K. I see the AM ones are *over* $2500. Wow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    I'm curious about the "hookless" tubeless system. Seems the bead doesn't 'snap' or seat itself like a traditional TLR/UST system.
    The bead will still snap as it gets pushed up onto the shoulder of the rim channel. The lack of a hook is just like the sidewall of a motorcycle or car rim. It just has a vertical wall that keeps the bead from pushing farther out. There's no need for a hook since the tire is restrained radially by its tight fit on the shoulder. Only Specialized is currently making hookless bicycle rims.

    If you were referring to the little bead nips on the inside of the shoulder that UST and Spank rims use, yes they do seem to reduce burping and make inflation easier. Light Bicycle rims don't have these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    You're right - I was checking the XC version which were a bit under $2K. I see the AM ones are *over* $2500. Wow...
    I was talking rim prices. LB rims range from $150-$178 plus shipping. Last I checked Enves were $800+ plus shipping or sales tax. Depending on how light hubs and spokes you use LB AM wheels can be built from approx 1450-1650g and $600-$850.
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    MK's original post appears to show the new 26er-33W-30D rims with a hook. Do you mean that the "wider 26" rims don't have a hook?
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    The LB 33mm rims were initially intended to be hookless. Through comments by myself and others on their forum LB decided to include the bead hook into the final rim design.

    It is also worth mentioning that motorcycle and car rims are all hookless designs and the tires are tubeless.

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    Yes, unfortunately all LB rims have pretty standard shaped sidewalls with hooks. Only Specialized is making straight diewalls. I guess enough MTBers didn't understand the concept and were scared of hookless. It would have resulted in sidewalls with a little better impact strength and maybe cheaper cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    I was talking rim prices. LB rims range from $150-$178 plus shipping. Last I checked Enves were $800+ plus shipping or sales tax. Depending on how light hubs and spokes you use LB AM wheels can be built from approx 1450-1650g and $600-$850.

    I am curious which hubs I could build these up with at under 1500gms for $850.

    I was looking at the dt Swiss 240's but the hubs alone I think we're going to run me close to $600. If you have any suggestions please lost me know


    Also has anyone decided if we are doing this group buy?

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    I am curious which hubs I could build these up with at under 1500gms for $850.

    I was looking at the dt Swiss 240's but the hubs alone I think we're going to run me close to $600. If you have any suggestions please lost me know
    I did it with Novatec. 1425g+/-10g(For 32holes) $600 shipped.

    No idea how well the Novatec hubs will work out, but they seem fine. Disclaimer: I'm no hub-snob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    I did it with Novatec. 1425g+/-10g(For 32holes) $600 shipped.

    No idea how well the Novatec hubs will work out, but they seem fine. Disclaimer: I'm no hub-snob.

    So that is with the wide rims or the older ones? Which spokes and novatec hubs did you use? Lb quoted me 1680gms for 20mm front and 12-142 rear hub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    So that is with the wide rims or the older ones? Which spokes and novatec hubs did you use? Lb quoted me 1680gms for 20mm front and 12-142 rear hub.
    I guess the "older" ones: wider carbon 26er bicycle wheels mountain bike downhill wheels Light-Bicycle

    They are the "wider" rims, but have been around for a few months, IIRC.

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    I'm a big fan of the DT 240 rear hub, but it's expensive. The American Classic is the same weight and much cheaper, but doesn't play well with some brake rotors. The version used by NoTubes has a better brake mount. Does anyone have a cheap source for these AmClassic/NoTubes/NoName Taiwanese 142 hubs?

    For the front in 20mm I love the Atomlab Pimplite. You can save a little weight for twice the money with a Tune. For the next step heavier and cheaper than Atomlab there's lots of options. I don't know off the top of my head what the light/cheap 15mm hub is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    Way more people are getting the "wide AM" rims than the "narrow XC". They didn't even bother to make a narrow 650 rim. The width difference is significant and the weight difference is only 30-40g.
    Didn't realize how little. It's 30-40g a PAIR heavier than the narrow rims. Thanks!

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    IThe AM rims are supposed to be 360g but the last pair I built were both 340g. The XC rim is supposed to be 330g. Is it also coming out lighter? I don't know but unless it's right around 300g, you only use narrow tires, and you're light enough and "XC" enough to not want the extra width and stiffness it seems the AM is the obvious choice.

    Edit: Just remembered you're talking about 29" and I'm quoting 26" weights. So the weiht difference between narrow and wide will be greater.
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    I am "XC" enough to use the narrow but I kind of want to try a wider rim for the heck of it. I did TD, CTR and AZT all on 355 Stan's rims and they're still fine. Plus if 20g a rim give me a more durable product, that's a goo trade off. The Lurcher is ~19lbs in ultra race setup where I don't run anything I don't trust.

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    I'm pretty sure the narrow is 19mm. 355 is 21mm. Wide is the same as the Flow at 23mm.
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    An update on the status of confirmed interested folks.

    MK : 2x 33mm wide 26er rims, 32H, drilled for internal nipples, UD matte finish
    coyotegulch: 2x wider 24mm rims 700c clinchers, 28H, internal nipples, UD matte finish
    williford: 2x wider 29er rims, 32H, standard nipples, UD matte finish

    I have a couple other folks showing interest but no commitments, yet. I'd love to get this finalized in the next week or so and place the order.
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    Let's revisit the group order for the Chinese carbon rims

    I'd be in for a set of built 26" wider rim, with Novatec D881/D882 hubs in the trough 9mm and trough 10mm QR configuration, 3k matte rims, 32h, all black brass nipples.

    However I'll need them shipped to Montreal, Canada, or Ocean City, MD, before the end of august. Unless I can get only the rims and hubs and I'll do the rest myself.

    Still, I don't really know how I'd get the rims from Colorado to Maryland for less than it would cost me to get them shipped directly to me.

    If you have an idea, let me know. Thanks.
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    Other than planning a vacation in Colorado, I have no idea.

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    Let's revisit the group order for the Chinese carbon rims

    How much saving are we talking about ? I guess mostly on shipping cost ? Shipping the rims from Colorado to Maryland should be under $30 I guess.
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    Savings are outlined above. In addition to discount per rim there is a savings in shipping.
    It will probably be a wash by the time you had it shipped to MD; plus it's an extra PITA for me.

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    Let's revisit the group order for the Chinese carbon rims

    That's what I thought. Thanks anyway
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    Here is info about shipping costs and associated savings, I've been getting requests for info via PM so here is how it works out:

    We are classified as zone 4 so shipping costs are $29 for the first 500g and $7 for additional 500g.
    Weights are calculated for rims (actual weight), protective film/wrapper (50g for each rim) plus box and packaging tape.

    So, if you're ordering individually (as in not a group order rather than individual rims), it would cost you the following:

    2x ~400g per rim
    2x 50g protective wrapper
    1x 1000g cardboard box (that's what they spec the weight of a box for two rims; they used to give weights for other boxes but I can't find them, the weights will go up for larger boxes, that's without a doubt, but I don't know if they double or triple for a box for 10 rims).

    So, ~1900g which is $29 + 3x $7 = $50.

    If you were to order complete wheels this works out to $78 individually.

    Savings for shipping in bulk should work out to ~$30 savings per individual (don't have an exact figure as I don't know the weight of the box for all rims). This coupled with $16 saving per pair of rims will save you almost $50 per order or pretty close to free shipping.

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    One more thing to note.
    The payment to LB goes via Paypal or direct bank transfer.
    If paying by Paypal, they tack on 3.5% fee.
    If paying by bank transfer, you're subject to the bank's fee. In my case it is $25.

    This split among 5 or more individuals will save additional money.

    3.5% fee on a $400 order is ~$17.
    $25 split 5 ways is an additional $12 in savings; this brings total savings to $60 or a tad more.

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    Sold off the fork, so IN.

    2, Wider 29er (yeah, not 650b), gloss/3K, 32h, internal nipple drilling. Nancy said they're all new process now, so I guess I don't need to spec that.
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    Where would they be shipped to?

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    Alright, here is the latest update. We're getting really close, have commitments for 9 rims. I'm going to ask Nancy if this will be sufficient to qualify for the 10 unit discount. If it is, I will be contacting the individuals listed below for emails so we can finalize everything via email/phone. I hope to close out this group order thing Friday or Monday. Thanks for all the interest so far.

    MK : 2x 33mm wide 26er rims, 32H, drilled for internal nipples, UD matte finish
    coyotegulch: 2x wider 24mm rims 700c clinchers, 28H, internal nipples, UD matte finish
    williford: 2x wider 29er rims, 32H, standard nipples, UD matte finish
    Pivvay: 1x wider 29er rim (rest of the details pending)
    Pau11y: 2x wider 29er rims, 32H, internal nipples, gloss/3K finish

    Also, I'm in Boulder and my plan is to ship them to my house; however, if people are spread say more toward Denver/Golden, we could have these shipped to anyone's in the group home; I don't mind driving down there to get my set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_ View Post
    Alright, here is the latest update...
    Pau11y: 2x wider 29er rims, 32H, internal nipples, gloss/3K finish
    Need to update my order: 2, 650b rims, 32h, normal nipple drilling, gloss/3K/reinforced

    Old process 29er rims still going strong, so gonna "B" the Blur instead.
    Seems there's only about 8mm of depth between the nipple bed and the tire bed...kinda makes internal nipples difficult to pull off.
    And, just saw a "standard", wide 26er AM rim used on a DH bike by a 120lbs female rider splinter. So, going "reinforced", like my 29er.
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    MK : 2x 33mm wide 26er rims, 32H, drilled for internal nipples, UD matte finish
    coyotegulch: 2x wider 24mm rims 700c clinchers, 28H, internal nipples, UD matte finish
    williford: 2x wider 29er rims, 32H, standard nipples, UD matte finish
    Pivvay: 1x wider 29er rim (rest of the details pending)
    Pau11y: 2x 650B rims, 32H, standard nipples, gloss/3K finish, reinforced.

    Also, Nancy says that she'll give us the $8 discount even if we place the order for 9 rims. If each of you could PM me your email address, I will start communicating that way.

    Anyone else interested in getting in on the carbon rims, let me know by Friday. I will be placing the order on Chinese Monday (our Sunday night) provided we get all our finances sorted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_ View Post
    Pau11y: 2x 650B rims, 32H, standard nipples, gloss/3K finish, reinforced.
    PM'd

    I'd ask if Nancy could invoice us individually via our paypal email address... Just a thought for you.
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    That's a thought.

    The paypal fee on our order will be ~$60 (or $12 or so a person); if we go from one bank account the total fee is going to be ~$25 (or $5 ea). We'll take a vote on this over email, I am OK with paying a little extra and get the Paypal protection, although this company is pretty trustworthy at this point.

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    buy american and stop supporting the damn chinese....

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    Alright, we have another interested party. This will bring the total to 11 or 12, provided everyone gets back to me with their contact info. It appears that mtbr.com email service is broken (at least I am not getting any notification messages) so this may be the cause of radio silence from a couple of people.

    The current total is:

    MK : 2x 33mm wide 26er rims, 32H, drilled for internal nipples, UD matte finish
    coyotegulch: 2x wider 24mm rims 700c clinchers, 28H, internal nipples, UD matte finish
    williford: 2x wider 29er rims, 32H, standard nipples, UD matte finish
    Pivvay: 1x wider 29er rim (rest of the details pending)
    Pau11y: 2x wider 29er rims, 32H, standard nipples, 3K gloss finish, reinforced.
    JonathanM: 2x 650b rims, 32H, standard nipples (?), UD matte finish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesm925 View Post
    buy american and stop supporting the damn chinese....
    My cousin will p0wn you in 10 years when China picks up what's left of the US in a fire sale, after the Teabaggers run it into the side of the fiscal cliff!
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    Alright, we're proceeding with the order.
    Mods, please close this thread.

    Thanks everyone.

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    Looks like Im a couple months late on this. Any chance of giving some feedback to initiate some interest in another order?

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    Curious to hear real world, front range ride reports. Still reading stories of people breaking them on rocky trails.

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    I cracked one of the 30mm 29er rims on Dakota Ridge. It is still holding air and I didn't even notice it until I was cleaning the bike. They are sending me a reinforced version (410g instead of 385g) at no charge other than a $38 shipping fee.

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    note that they have recently (or will soon) introduced a hookless rim that has the same/similar dimensions to the roval rim. I missed the boat last time but will be ordering some of these soon to have some fun in the Spring.

    I've chatted with Paully who loves these (fwiw) and going by his riding style they're likely to hold up to my more tame endeavors. ymmv

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    I'm afraid to reply to this as I don't want to jinx myself but the 33mm wide 26in rims have been stellar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt Disney's Frozen Head View Post
    note that they have recently (or will soon) introduced a hookless rim that has the same/similar dimensions to the roval rim. I missed the boat last time but will be ordering some of these soon to have some fun in the Spring.
    What are the advantages of the hook-less rim design? I'm assuming the bead area is stronger and less prone to cracking due to being the same thickness throughout? It seems like tire setup would be more of a pain with no hook for the tires bead to grab onto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by williford View Post
    I cracked one of the 30mm 29er rims on Dakota Ridge. It is still holding air and I didn't even notice it until I was cleaning the bike. They are sending me a reinforced version (410g instead of 385g) at no charge other than a $38 shipping fee.
    Exactly what i'd be afraid of. I've got a 1/2 dozen dings in my flows. Live around here long enough your just bound to whack a rim and likely hard.

    That being said, If 38$ for a replacement is the resolution, I suppose that's pretty decent.

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    Got my wide 26-er wheels back in July. Had some spoke issues but no rim issues. Buddy of mine got some of the wide 26-ers and had them built up - put a decent crack in the sidewall of the rim 2nd ride out on Chimney Gulch. LB sent him a replacement for shipping...

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    That's just it, thicker and uniform wall for strength. Idea is that cars and motorcycles use hookless beads. For most that's gonna be fine.
    We all know rock crawlers use bead locks. Most of us are not going to be riding aggressively enough to cause any issues but nasty crashes or very brave and talented riders may cause issues.

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    Did anyone build on industry 9 hubs? I wanted to use them with the straight pull spoke option, but after doing some reading in some of these forums, I think, I came to the conclusion that it wasn't advised to use straight pull with carbon rims.

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    I would be leery of building carbon rims with aluminum spokes. Do a search on galvanic corrosion of aluminum nipples in carbon hoops (including Enve).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post
    Exactly what i'd be afraid of. I've got a 1/2 dozen dings in my flows. Live around here long enough your just bound to whack a rim and likely hard.

    That being said, If 38$ for a replacement is the resolution, I suppose that's pretty decent.
    $38 and a loss of riding time if you don't have an extra set or an extra bike. $38 is still very much worth it IMO.

    Are most running these tubeless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_ View Post
    I would be leery of building carbon rims with aluminum spokes. Do a search on galvanic corrosion of aluminum nipples in carbon hoops (including Enve).

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    That is where my research took me pretty much. Just means I'm gonna use the classic torch hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post
    Exactly what i'd be afraid of. I've got a 1/2 dozen dings in my flows. Live around here long enough your just bound to whack a rim and likely hard.
    I'm in the same boat. My wheels always end up dinged/banged. I think carbon scares me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post
    That being said, If 38$ for a replacement is the resolution, I suppose that's pretty decent.
    + cost to relace/rebuild wheel

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    How long did the shipping take once the order was processed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hirschmj View Post
    Been riding my Wide 29er ones for about 350 miles now, so far so good. Plenty of scuffs in the carbon from errant scree and rocks, but not exactly what you'd call a "long term test" yet.

    Still, I'm pleased so far.
    I'm a little over 800 miles now. These are the Wide 29er rims from May of 2013, built up extra strong - aimed for 433 grams, got 435 and 430 grams. Had them trued 50 miles ago or so, front wheel was perfect, rear needed a slight adjustment. I weigh 210 with gear on and most of the miles have been on my SB-95c, before they they were on a Niner JET. I am not kind to them. I took them to Keystone and Winter Park this year. I was going to build them up myself, but due to a scheduling conflict I didn't have time before the Kokopelli ride and Phil at Salvagetti built them up with King ISO hubs and aluminum nipples. He mentioned the nipples were building up a lot of friction and became difficult to turn as he was bringing the wheels up to tension. No corrosion issues yet, but I haven't been looking very closely. I assume Golden Bike Shop would have mentioned it if they saw anything while truing the wheels last month.

    Scuffs - you will get them 'round these parts. Choose your finish with this in mind (think Matte). I ordered mine April 1st, they arrived at my door April 23rd. They offered me UD rims they could ship immediately, but I chose to wait for them to build new rims with a 3K weave, so that time includes building rims from scratch.

    I am running them tubeless. Zero issues with Ardent 2.4's front and rear. A rear Maxxis DHR got all spitty in Moab a month or so ago and it has a tube in it now. I haven't tried reseating it yet.

    Happy to answer other questions, that's all I can think of for now. I've been very pleased with the wheels - much less flexy than the stock Arch EX 29er wheelset I had before, and no broken spokes (I broke 4-5 on the rear Arch EX). I'm not concerned with the scuffs since there's a few extra layers of carbon on there, I'll report back if anything catastrophic happens. In the meantime, I'll continue to try my best to break them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A_street View Post
    How long did the shipping take once the order was processed?
    It was relatively quick, less than two weeks, I believe. We were provided a tracking number and were able to track it through the whole distance.

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    So we're is every one at with there investment? How about the Hook vs. hookless status ? Any burbs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by riding4fun View Post
    So we're is every one at with there investment? How about the Hook vs. hookless status ? Any burbs?
    I invested in the super endurinating size, 650b x 35mm in hookless
    Love 'em
    No burps (maybe one little one), no sliding. Set up proper.
    Stiff, yet compliant.
    Love riding these things, and I'm still waiting for them to break so everyone can say "told you so!"

    I also had to put new tires on (new to me size), and this may account for part of my jubilation.
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    Been riding the 30mm OD hookless rims for just short of a month. Maxxis (ardent front/ignitor r) aired up with 1 layer of stans tape. I have had a few burps (3?) but all in areas I'd expect my flows to occasionally burp (i.e. Dakota Ridge).

    So far so good and I'll probably buy another set of rims for a racier build for next season.

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    Have had 2 mates break their 26" cheap carbons (set up tubeless). Both the same MO - either too little pressure or they burped & then hit a/some rocks. Cracked one sidewall. To their credit the 2nd broken rim was on WG and survived *almost* 2 subsequent laps before giving up the ghost.

    My 26ers have so far been flawless. But I run tubes and keep pressure around 25/30 f/r.

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    23mm inner width wide 29er (new process) rims with a little extra carbon (430 and 435g) at 1200 miles and still holding strong. I'm still being mean to them.

    Been tubeless the entire time, no issues except for a Minion DHR II that **** the bed, but that was a manufacturing defect and unrelated to the wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    Love riding these things, and I'm still waiting for them to break so everyone can say "told you so!"
    you boys sure get excited about someone telling you so

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics View Post
    you boys sure get excited about someone telling you so
    Its almost as fun as debating the best wheel size.
    Which is now obviously 27.5"
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    Just received my hookless, 27mm (OD), 29er rims on Friday. Verifying the ERD tonight, then ordering my spokes.

    Gonna build them up 32h with Sapim Lasers for XC/Trail use. Target weight is 1500g.

    From everything I read, the hookless rim profile should all but remove any concerns from running carbon rims.

    Holy crap do they feel stout/stiff/strong.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    Holy crap do they feel stout/stiff/strong.
    Wait till you ride 'em!

    My only suggestion, run slightly higher tire pressure than you normally would to protect your rims. Because of that, it may highlight a poor suspension tune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    Just received my hookless, 27mm (OD), 29er rims on Friday. Verifying the ERD tonight, then ordering my spokes.

    Gonna build them up 32h with Sapim Lasers for XC/Trail use. Target weight is 1500g.

    From everything I read, the hookless rim profile should all but remove any concerns from running carbon rims.

    Holy crap do they feel stout/stiff/strong.
    I've been on a set of the same rims for a few weeks and am really liking them so far. No issues at all setting them up tubeless with one wrap of Gorilla tape, and they are noticeably stiffer than the i23's that they replaced. I've still been playing around with tire combos and pressures but right now 23-24 F and 25-26 R has been working well with high volume (2.25"+) tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Wait till you ride 'em!

    My only suggestion, run slightly higher tire pressure than you normally would to protect your rims. Because of that, it may highlight a poor suspension tune.
    Yikes. I run 30psi rear as I tend to be a rim basher if I get into the mid 20's. Guess we'll see how they hold up?
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Wait till you ride 'em!

    My only suggestion, run slightly higher tire pressure than you normally would to protect your rims. Because of that, it may highlight a poor suspension tune.
    Just theoretically, if I have to run higher pressures than my crests, why are the worth it? I'm going to run mine the same and if they break, they break. Now I'm pretty smooth and light and NOT DH oriented but I still bash a rim now and then (including last night).
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    Pretty good feedback,
    I'm interested in the wide aspect and going tubeless on the 33mm in a 26".
    Got a quote this morning from LB, roughly $900-ish for a set of DH, with Hope hubs.
    If cost is a consideration is it cheaper to build the wheels at my LBS or is LB a better deal than I will get elsewhere as far as labor / hubs. I went with the Hope's cause they seem to be a common name vs. the nova's. What you all think?

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    well, I'm partial to a handful of "known" wheelbuilders and LBSs so that's my short soapbox.

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    Firmer tires

    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    Yikes. I run 30psi rear as I tend to be a rim basher if I get into the mid 20's. Guess we'll see how they hold up?
    I'm on a set of LB "heavier" 29er, 23mm inner width, old layup process and shoe'd tubeless w/ DHF/DHR2, 2.5/2.3 respectively. They're pumped up to 28/30, frt/rr for grip and 32/34 for smooth trails. I'm ~192 kitted up. This setup has worked well for the 29er and my weight. Just for ref. I run my DH bike tubeless at 33/35, frt/rr, but on old Mavic EX729, and I still dent rims w/ DHF/DHR DH rated dual ply. But, I haven't dented any after swapping over to Der Kaisers and those sidewalls aren't nearly as thick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay View Post
    Just theoretically, if I have to run higher pressures than my crests, why are the worth it?
    Because Crests/Stans blow goats...those wet noodle POS. Hey, I have a brand new pair of 355's (old Crests) for a sweet deal if you're so enamored by them...was saving them for a disc cross build that might never happen.

    If you've not been on them (plastic-fantastic hoops), just wait until you do, and then come back and comment if it's worth it...and it's not about the weight.
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    Look they might be wet noodles and all but I've run Crests and 355s for years and it's never slowed me down. If I "have" to run higher pressures in my carbon than alum rims I see that as a step backwards.

    I didn't say a thing about weight...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay View Post
    Look they might be wet noodles and all but I've run Crests and 355s for years and it's never slowed me down. If I "have" to run higher pressures in my carbon than alum rims I see that as a step backwards.

    I didn't say a thing about weight...
    Okay, you win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Okay, you win.
    It's like talkin' to an old skool skier who poo-poos the fat/shaped/fun thing...

    He won't know until he gives in to the Dark Side.


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    I, for one, am stoked to get them on the trail!

    And fat/shaped skis? Psshh... Who uses those any more? Rocker (or, preferably, rocker camber rocker) is where it's at!
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay View Post
    Look they might be wet noodles and all but I've run Crests and 355s for years and it's never slowed me down. If I "have" to run higher pressures in my carbon than alum rims I see that as a step backwards.

    I didn't say a thing about weight...
    I switched my XC/Trail bike from Crests to 23mm internal LB carbons. Big lateral stiffness improvement saw me cornering much better/faster. I run the same pressure with carbon or alloy since I don't want to dent my alloy rims or crack my carbons. For most trails/tires I run 28-29 front, 31-33 rear. Before I wouldn't have said my Crests were slowing me down but clearly I'm faster on the LBs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    ...I wouldn't have said my Crests were slowing me down but clearly I'm faster on the LBs.
    But Pivvay knows everything, even w/o having thrown a leg over a bike w/ plastic hoops. Therefore, he wins because he must be a mountain biking god...a giant amongst us mere wannabes w/ our plastic hoop'd scoots...or a Teabagging Republican.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    Its almost as fun as debating the best wheel size.
    Which is now obviously 35mm wide
    FIFY.

    pick a wheel material, and be a d1ck about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    FIFY.

    pick a wheel material, and be a d1ck about it
    Check!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    I, for one, am stoked to get them on the trail!

    And fat/shaped skis? Psshh... Who uses those any more? Rocker (or, preferably, rocker camber rocker) is where it's at!
    That would be the "fun" part, n00B.

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