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    Lesson Learned Traveling 285 to Buffalo Creek

    Kitchen pass in hand, bike and gear in the truck, I was off to Buffalo Creek Saturday morning. It is about an hours drive from the house in HR to the Pine Valley parking lot. Trying to mazimize my ride time vs drive time I was traveling a little too quickly on 285 based on the opinion of the Morrison Police Dept.

    Lesson learned; stick to 45mph on 285, it is an hour and 15 minutes to the parking lot, and the city of Morrison has seen the remainder of my business for the next few years.

    In the end I still had a great ride in BC and will most likely take this comming Friday off work to ride again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaS
    ... the city of Morrison has seen the remainder of my business for the next few years.
    The audacity of enforcing the rules!
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    Yep, 285 is a money maker for local "law" enforcement. I had a close call a few years ago and learned my lesson.

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    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    A couple more PSAs for those that don't know.
    Many times there is an officer with radar in the Stegosaurus lot (across from Matthews/Winters main lot) on HW 26 waiting for the unsuspecting, as the speed limit drops from 50 to 35 headed north on 26.
    My wife would also attest not to drive 20MPH over the 50 MPH limit going south on HW40 towards I70 (between Heritage Square and the TRex lot).

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    Fish in a barrel for those guys at that corner. A new sign was just installed in the last few weeks that says "45 mph speed zone ahead" just before the blind corner where the actual 45 mph starts. It was really unfair before that because you come around the corner at the posted 50 mph and then all of a sudden it changes to 45 mph with no warning and the Morrison PD is hanging out. They'll still get a good catch, but at least now it's signed.

    Don't let your guard down though, beyond the canyon 285 is littered with CSP and jeffco.

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    Those turds are always lurking about in the tight section near The Fort - I wonder if that was you we passed on our way to PV. I've been in Morrison traffic court before, my ticket was legitimate, but I watched them rake people over the coals for doing 28mph in the 25, when the 35mph sign was visible. After watching that circus, you'd have a pretty hard time convincing me that it's not strictly a money maker for them. I drive that way every day, and I avoid those leeches like, well... leeches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pabs
    The audacity of enforcing the rules!
    When traffic law enforcement is (IMO) increasingly used as a mere revenue generating tool by cash strapped municipalities that can't or won't raise taxes. It makes it difficult to be respectful.

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    Also a heads up in Denver, they have those camera out that snap a pic and they mail you the ticket. Its a cop sitting in a van so they move then from area to area.

    When you get the ticket it says "no points" Probably encouraging you to just pay the fine and not fight it. Obviously a money maker. I bet one cop in a van cranks dozens of tickets daily like that.

    But some one got a ticket for 3 mph over? Really, 28 in a 25? WTF, a speedometer could be off by a few mph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moustache rider
    When traffic law enforcement is (IMO) increasingly used as a mere revenue generating tool by cash strapped municipalities that can't or won't raise taxes. It makes it difficult to be respectful.
    I get speeding tickets at times and it sucks. However, at least in my experience, I wouldn't have gotten them if I hadn't been speeding. I broke a valid rule, so I pay the penalty. If I really didn't like the rule, I could try to change it. There are reasons for speeding laws other than revenue generation, such as safety and the nebulous public welfare. Maybe municipalities should raise taxes and improve their revenue structures, but that doesn't somehow justify speeding.
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    Denver is pretty nasty about the revenue generating cameras.

    Last year I was in bumper to bumper traffic, moving very slowly (half the posted speed limit)... light turns yellow... NO chance to make it through the light safely, much less without blocking the intersection waiting for the cars in front me to move, so I hit the brakes and stopped. My front wheels were over the white line, but still well behind the cross walk... the pricks still mailed me a ticket.

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    I feel your pain. Probably hadn't had a ticket in 10 years, but got one on the curves going up 285 to Buffalo Creek about three Saturdays ago. I guess I should have been following the rules like Pabs says , but when in traffic, and going with the flow, and chatting with my buddies, I hadn't noticed I was being such a rule breaker. When I got pulled over I honestly didn't even know why. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pabs
    I get speeding tickets at times and it sucks. However, at least in my experience, I wouldn't have gotten them if I hadn't been speeding. I broke a valid rule, .........................
    I only posted to give a friendly reminder that once one gets onto 285 into the foothills, make yourself aware of your speed as the cities and counties are watching it for you.

    Pabs-

    I am of the opinion that the City of Morrison is capitalizing on a situation. As to the validity of the posted speed, we could try and see how many speeding tickets are issued between a series of mile markers on 285 within the jurisdiction of the City of Morrison and compare it to a similar stretch on the highway say from 470 to Highway 8 where the conditions and speeds are similar and compare numbers. I would imagine that based on the numbers the posted speed in the favored speedtrap area should be reviewed.

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    it's a shame really

    Speed traps everywhere. Used to be CO was a fun place to drive. Hardly anyone cared. On the freeways that is still the case to some extent, but the local municipalities are becoming police states with cops and cameras everywhere. In 2010 Boulder issued 30,000 citations between the live cops and photo radar/red light. There are about 100k people living in the city, so about 30% of the population got one, you could say. Meanwhile, we've got hate crimes, robberies and murders being committed by people on foot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy
    Speed traps everywhere. Used to be CO was a fun place to drive. Hardly anyone cared. On the freeways that is still the case to some extent, but the local municipalities are becoming police states with cops and cameras everywhere. In 2010 Boulder issued 30,000 citations between the live cops and photo radar/red light. There are about 100k people living in the city, so about 30% of the population got one, you could say. Meanwhile, we've got hate crimes, robberies and murders being committed by people on foot.

    Not to mention bike thieves are running rampant.

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    I got a ticket about a quarter mile Denver-bound out of the DIA parking tollbooth.
    $165. If I don't fight it it gets knocked down to a "defective vehicle" ticket and no points.

    There're out for your money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subliminalshiver
    I got a ticket about a quarter mile Denver-bound out of the DIA parking tollbooth.
    $165. If I don't fight it it gets knocked down to a "defective vehicle" ticket and no points.

    There're out for your money.
    Fort Collins is the same way. I got a ticket for 49 in a 40. Funny thing is, I was pulling out of a parking lot into traffic & hit the gas to get up to speed. Cop was going the other way in traffic & hit the lights immediately & pulled an illegal u-turn, in traffic, to get me. When I looked down at my speedo I was doing about 45 (no faster than traffic). Ticket said if I paid by a certain date & did not contest, 0 points. pay after the date, or appear in court, 1 point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by subliminalshiver
    I got a ticket about a quarter mile Denver-bound out of the DIA parking tollbooth.
    $165. If I don't fight it it gets knocked down to a "defective vehicle" ticket and no points.

    There're out for your money.
    The DPD is always out speed trapping around DIA.

    On Monday mornings, they will sit just over the hill as you come into the West side parking areas and get one person after the next. The speed limit is 35mph and people are always zooming by as they are probably running late.

    I've also been told they often speed trap right off 470 on the exit ramp where it drops from 70 to 35 pretty abruptly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy
    Speed traps everywhere. Used to be CO was a fun place to drive. Hardly anyone cared. On the freeways that is still the case to some extent, but the local municipalities are becoming police states with cops and cameras everywhere. In 2010 Boulder issued 30,000 citations between the live cops and photo radar/red light. There are about 100k people living in the city, so about 30% of the population got one, you could say. Meanwhile, we've got hate crimes, robberies and murders being committed by people on foot.
    Maybe so, but all you have to do is be the first one on the scene of a few bloody car crashes where speeding was a factor to understand speeding isn't the innocent fun, victimless crime that many like to portray it as. Of course there's always lots of variables, but it always amuses me how many people (almost always young men) seem to think they have some intrinsic right to speed, run lights or stop signs, drive aggro and get all indignant when they get busted.

    Respect the traffic laws, even though you think you know what's better, especially in urban areas and chances are very good you'll not get a ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    but it always amuses me how many people (almost always young men) seem to think they have some intrinsic right to speed, run lights or stop signs, drive aggro and get all indignant when they get busted.

    Respect the traffic laws, even though you think you know what's better, especially in urban areas and chances are very good you'll not get a ticket.

    And it must be that the old fogeys think they have the right of to tell them how wrong they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser
    And it must be that the old fogeys think they have the right of to tell them how wrong they are.
    As long as they slow the hell down, turn down that damn noise ("music"), and stay the hell off my lawn we'll be OK. Otherwise I'll have to whap them over the head with my cane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mateomtb
    Cruise control all the way.

    I thought I was the only one in the state that still drove the speed limit (especially on that stretch of 285)
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    Quote Originally Posted by lubes17319

    I thought I was the only one in the state that still drove the speed limit (especially on that stretch of 285)
    A good part of the reason I keep pretty close to the speed limit, don't run stops, etc is I like having a 100% clean driving record. Makes insurance a lot cheaper and money spent on tickets is money that could be spent on bikes.

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    My only speeding ticket in over 10 years was on rt. 6 between Golden and Idaho Springs. I have driven that road literally hundreds of times and they are getting a lot more aggressive enforcing speeding there too.

    Oh and BTW... radar detectors are awesome. Most pigs are too lazy to turn their radar on and off and you get a warning well before you see them. It usually detects laser before I'm hit if there's traffic in front of me, but that's not always the case and instant-on radar can screw you too, but if you understand radar detector's limitations they really do help. In CO, they only use Ka band, which isn't shared by other devices so you can turn X and K band off and never get false alarms, although photo radar is K... I leave it off and don't speed in town, it doesn't really get you there faster anyway.

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    Me too.

    Quote Originally Posted by topmounter
    Denver is pretty nasty about the revenue generating cameras.

    Last year I was in bumper to bumper traffic, moving very slowly (half the posted speed limit)... light turns yellow... NO chance to make it through the light safely, much less without blocking the intersection waiting for the cars in front me to move, so I hit the brakes and stopped. My front wheels were over the white line, but still well behind the cross walk... the pricks still mailed me a ticket.
    Got one of those in the mail on Saturday.

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    I got two speeding tickets in a year a few years ago so I made it a point to do the speed limit everywhere (while impatient drivers impatiently jerked into the left lane to impatiently speed by me).

    Lately my speed is creeping up up up. When I come up on someone in the right lane and have to slow down I check my speedometer. Usually, not always, they're doing the speed limit. I figure if I just stay behind them I can't get a ticket. As all the other drivers impatiently jerk into the left lane then....
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcookson
    Got one of those in the mail on Saturday.

    Of course now when I venture into Denver, I stop at green lights until the intersection clears and sprint through... I'm sure it is only a matter of time before some clown rear ends me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topmounter
    Of course now when I venture into Denver, I stop at green lights until the intersection clears and sprint through... I'm sure it is only a matter of time before some clown rear ends me.
    Except for the sprinting part, that's how you're supposed to do it...if you can't make it through the intersection (ESPECIALLY in bumper to bumper traffic), don't start. But based on how many intersections I see blocked routinely (and I mean actually blocked), I assume most people don't know this.

    Or assume this rule is for "others"....

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    My only speeding ticket in over 10 years was on rt. 6 between Golden and Idaho Springs. I have driven that road literally hundreds of times and they are getting a lot more aggressive enforcing speeding there too.

    Oh and BTW... radar detectors are awesome. Most pigs are too lazy to turn their radar on and off and you get a warning well before you see them. It usually detects laser before I'm hit if there's traffic in front of me, but that's not always the case and instant-on radar can screw you too, but if you understand radar detector's limitations they really do help. In CO, they only use Ka band, which isn't shared by other devices so you can turn X and K band off and never get false alarms, although photo radar is K... I leave it off and don't speed in town, it doesn't really get you there faster anyway.
    Summit county uses K band & so do about 1/2 the Clear Creek guys. Also, Idaho Springs PD (you know... the jerks parked on the 103 bridge...) uses it.

    100+ miles a day... the radar detector has saved my bacon many times, but the smarter CSP guys sit in blind corners & only hit the obvious speeders, so you've always got to be vigilant.

    People driving the speed limit are a damn nuisance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by backcountryislife

    People driving the speed limit are a damn nuisance.
    Preach it. I've never understood people who tout their strict adherence to arbitrary rules like it's some badge of honor. D@mned sheep.

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    detector ?

    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    My only speeding ticket in over 10 years was on rt. 6 between Golden and Idaho Springs. I have driven that road literally hundreds of times and they are getting a lot more aggressive enforcing speeding there too.

    Oh and BTW... radar detectors are awesome. Most pigs are too lazy to turn their radar on and off and you get a warning well before you see them. It usually detects laser before I'm hit if there's traffic in front of me, but that's not always the case and instant-on radar can screw you too, but if you understand radar detector's limitations they really do help. In CO, they only use Ka band, which isn't shared by other devices so you can turn X and K band off and never get false alarms, although photo radar is K... I leave it off and don't speed in town, it doesn't really get you there faster anyway.
    Does a good detector work? And what about laser detection? I assume you might get a warning if they are hitting other cars with laser befor they hit you. Seems like to 2 most common kinds are laser from a vantage point, like the top of a hill, or radar while the police are driving in the opposite direction. Would you recommend a model detector?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy
    (while impatient drivers impatiently jerked into the left lane to impatiently speed by me).
    This statement cannot be true, as no one in Colorado seems to drive in the right lane when they are going the speed limit. Most like to be in the left lane, driving the exact speed as the person in the right lane they are driving next to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy
    Does a good detector work? And what about laser detection? I assume you might get a warning if they are hitting other cars with laser befor they hit you. Seems like to 2 most common kinds are laser from a vantage point, like the top of a hill, or radar while the police are driving in the opposite direction. Would you recommend a model detector?
    it's not infallible, but it'll save you about 1/3 of the time in my experience if you weren't paying attention.

    The bridge by the cabrini shrine has CSP shooting laser all the time, I usually get a hit well before they would have me (they'd frown on 75 in a 55 I'd guess?)... same goes for a spot that frisco PD shoots S of town heading to Breck... so the laser works very well imo, better than radar.

    Lots of false alerts in town though... not sure if I'd even leave it plugged in if I lived in the city.
    I use a BEL 955... works for me, I'm sure the real pricey ones do a better job with false alerts, maybe worth spending more if you live in the city? not sure.


    if you really want to avoid a ticket though... I hear it's best to just stay behind ZRM in his 72 rambler going 10 under... (odd... never seen that rambler around Summit, I think he's talkin smack!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by backcountryislife
    it's not infallible, but it'll save you about 1/3 of the time in my experience if you weren't paying attention.

    The bridge by the cabrini shrine has CSP shooting laser all the time, I usually get a hit well before they would have me (they'd frown on 75 in a 55 I'd guess?)... same goes for a spot that frisco PD shoots S of town heading to Breck... so the laser works very well imo, better than radar.

    Lots of false alerts in town though... not sure if I'd even leave it plugged in if I lived in the city.
    I use a BEL 955... works for me, I'm sure the real pricey ones do a better job with false alerts, maybe worth spending more if you live in the city? not sure.


    if you really want to avoid a ticket though... I hear it's best to just stay behind ZRM in his 72 rambler going 10 under... (odd... never seen that rambler around Summit, I think he's talkin smack!)

    Agreed, but I think it'll save you more like 2/3 of the time... it depends where you drive. Basically, the more traffic in front of you, the more likely you are to get an alert before you get hit. You have to be more careful on empty roads and get a feel for where they might be hiding and slow down when it's appropriate. Most cops keep their radar on, especially ones just cruising along monitoring traffic going the opposite direction. In canyons, you'll get an alert a corner or 2 before you see them, on an open interstate you have like 2 miles to slow down before they clock you sometimes.

    As far as models, the passport 9500 is top of the line, the 8500 works for most, and Bel is actually the same brand, you can save some cash on Bel and get almost the exact same product. I have a Bel 995, which is the same as a passport 8500. I got it for about $200 new. I wouldn't settle for anything less than the Bel 995 or Passport 8500.

    edit, Amazon has the 995 for under $200,

    http://www.amazon.com/Beltronics-Vec...083364&sr=1-17

    the 955 might be pretty much the same thing, you can call Bel and ask, it's about $65 cheaper...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moustache rider
    When traffic law enforcement is (IMO) increasingly used as a mere revenue generating tool by cash strapped municipalities that can't or won't raise taxes. It makes it difficult to be respectful.
    Yep.

    I got nabbed by a "revenue officer" a few days ago. This ***** is getting ridiculous, and my respect level for the police is plummeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backcountryislife

    if you really want to avoid a ticket though... I hear it's best to just stay behind ZRM in his 72 rambler going 10 under... (odd... never seen that rambler around Summit, I think he's talkin smack!)

    Dude, that Rambler has a 427 hemi w/dual four barrels. I go so fast you just don't see me -you feel me in your chest. I go so fast the cops think they somehow locked onto a 787 headin' to San Fran from DIA.

    Can't touch my Rambler.

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    As much as I am in the "if you don't want a speeding ticket, don't speed" crowd, here's another PSA for those that don't know.
    Many days during evening rush hour, they're set up on the side of W bound I70 between
    32nd/Youngfield and Denver West, where there's that big shoulder and sound blocking wall.
    Why are all you people in such a big hurry to get everywhere?
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    The funny part about this thread is that if we started talking about mpg, many of the same voices would be chiming in.

    Drive within 10 of the limit, don't drive like a jackass and you probably won't get a ticket. Its worked for me for the past 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    A good part of the reason I keep pretty close to the speed limit, don't run stops, etc is I like having a 100% clean driving record. Makes insurance a lot cheaper and money spent on tickets is money that could be spent on bikes.
    You're telling me. I had a 100% clean driving record and my insurance still seemed high. Then my friend damaged my truck by backing up into a telephone pole...my insurance sky rocketed! It really is BS for the many years I've been with the same insurer, and the many years my record has been clean. They're still quite a bit cheaper than any other insurer I've received quotes from though...

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    just extra protection

    I don't drive recklessly, and try not to speed on the side streets. But the enforcement is so intense now that its pretty easy to get a ticket just when you might not be paying * close* attention, doing 9,10,11 over the speed limit. My last 2 tix I got were when I was on my way to get my kid to take her to a PT appointment, or soccer practice. I was thinking of something else when I got busted for about 10 over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy
    I don't drive recklessly...............
    .........might not be paying attention


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy
    I don't drive recklessly, and try not to speed on the side streets. But the enforcement is so intense now that its pretty easy to get a ticket just when you might not be paying attention, doing 9,10,11 over the speed limit.
    This may seem obvious, but you should PAY ATTENTION at all times when driving...

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    Wow, thanks for the advice. I think, generally, everybody knows what I mean, not paying close attention to the speed o meter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skrd
    This may seem obvious, but you should PAY ATTENTION at all times when driving...
    Don't be so judgmental, I'm sure you know your EXACT speed every moment you are driving

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    Don't be so judgmental, I'm sure you know your EXACT speed every moment you are driving
    I'm not trying to be judgemental - I'm just saying that people get really complacent when driving... and it's really not a good environment for complacency. Especially on surface streets off the interstate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy
    Wow, thanks for the advice. I think, generally, everybody knows what I mean, not paying close attention to the speed o meter.
    Easy to just mindlessly keep up with traffic...and you're the one that gets ticketed. "But I was just keeping up with the flow of the traffic" never works as an excuse in court.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    I70 Eastbound at Genessee is a revenue machine. Down hill steep grade w/ limit at 55mph. My ticket cost $165 for 15mph over which can happen easily within a moment of not riding the brakes down the hill. Setting such a low limit on a wide open highway with relatively few interchanges and then adding aggressive enforcement doesn't lead me on the path of respect CSP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy!
    Why are all you people in such a big hurry to get everywhere?
    We're trying to get home so we can go ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueallah
    <snip> which can happen easily within a moment of not riding the brakes down the hill.
    That's what the D2 on the auto transmission is for.

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