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    As if that will be the end of it. On a level "drugged" playing field, he still was the one who won 7 straight TDFs.
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    I(my opinion) think that he's out for blood and is set to burn down the castle and all within it.

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    Let's all confess our biking related sins in this thread!

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    Great. More tax dollars to waste chasing down obvious and truly irrelevant crap that we all already know.

    Can we put Tygart in charge of the SEC and sick him on Wall Street instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    As if that will be the end of it. On a level "drugged" playing field, he still was the one who won 7 straight TDFs.
    Ditto. Lance still transformed cycling like no one ever has.
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    Lance Armstrong was a hero to many, including myself. Perhaps it is naïveté to think he was above the drugs, but I wanted to believe it.

    No long-winded soapbox for me. Athletes need to step up and clean up.

    Interesting to see how this plays out.

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    Was not a level playing field at all. Lance was above and beyond everybody else even drug-wise. He paid A LOT of monies to gain this advantage.
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    It's gonna be one hell of a movie when it all comes out, or at a least a great book.

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    If he does confess it will be interesting to see how he spins it. I could see him outing a ton of people and then try and paint himself as cycling's savior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    Let's all confess our biking related sins in this thread!
    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBeing View Post
    Ditto. Lance still transformed cycling like no one ever has.
    Ditto. And once again, he's again transforming cycling like no one ever has.
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    He had his chance to come clean and fess. There isn't anyone bigger to throw under the bus at this point. Why would anyone make him a deal and who would be stupid enough to believe what he says now anyway?

    I read Tyler's book and was amazed by Tyler's accusation of Lance turning him into the UCI for cheating. "Yeah, Uhm, Hein, I taught him how to cheat but now he's doing it better than me. Can you do somthing about that for me?

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    I hope Lance somehow brings down all of his detractors, so much so that during the endless time they are all endlessly defending themselves in non-ending costly lawsuits they turn to each other and said "man, what did we get ourselves into?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    Can we put Tygart in charge of the SEC and sick him on Wall Street instead?
    Best idea I've ever heard!

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    I am over it.. he repeatedly said he didn't take drugs which just makes him a liar, just like the rest. The whole sport is just stupid and corrupt, lets stop wasting everyone's time and money with it.

    Lance is the reason Aaron Gwin will be riding Specialized...

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    Sounds like he's gonna do an interview with the Oprah...


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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    Sounds like he's gonna do an interview with the Oprah...


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    Make that Springer and include the rest of the former USPS team and I'd watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie7 View Post
    Lance is the reason Aaron Gwin will be riding Specialized...
    I suspect Gwin's transfer has a lot more to do with CASH than LANCE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcookson View Post
    I suspect Gwin's transfer has a lot more to do with CASH than LANCE.
    probably and who can blame the guy with the prospects of a short career due to injuries... and not to mention lack of a retirement plan..

    But the lance situation may have been the perfect escape clause...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    Make that Springer and include the rest of the former USPS team and I'd watch.
    Oh yes! Must see tv. Springer's final thought would be the catalyst for the change that Pro cycling needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcookson View Post
    I suspect Gwin's transfer has a lot more to do with CASH than LANCE.
    By Lance getting dropped by Trek actually free up some funds.....Specialized must have had some deep pockets

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorro View Post
    Was not a level playing field at all. Lance was above and beyond everybody else even drug-wise. He paid A LOT of monies to gain this advantage.
    That's not the only reason it was/is not a level playing field. Just because there was a "legal" limit to hemocrit does not mean that everybody could ride at that limit and be "equal". Like everything else, different bodies respond to EPO and to transfusions in different ways. Some riders gain more benefit from drugs than others, either in race situation or in training, where the levels can be pushed much higher.

    My take on this. If Lance is "considering" a confession, that in itself is a confession. And if he is going to confess, you can be sure it's to save his own ass from the federal government, while at the same time taking down as many others as he can.

    And of course he'll write a bestselling book or three, get paid for movie rights, TV appearances, merchandising, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2rideUtah View Post
    By Lance getting dropped by Trek actually free up some funds.....Specialized must have had some deep pockets
    yup.. i see many more Specialized out on the trails than any other bike company..way more..its not even close and I bet Yeti comes in 2nd around here..

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    wow, Lance sure has some ball doing a tell all interview
    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    Take the long cut, we'll get there eventually.

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    Will be interesting to see what he says about it all. I wonder what all the legal ramifications may be for him if he does confess fully. Obviously there will be the lawsuits for money (some of which are already starting to happen), then there may be perjury issues from prior proceedings.
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    From today's story in Cyclingnews, I would bet the Lance is about the toss the UCI and all of cycling under the bus. Not that it will save him, but he will try to look better by implicating everyone.

    Lausanne Laboratory Gave Armstrong Key To Beating EPO Test, Says Tygart | Cyclingnews.com

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    I predict no confession to his use of PED's but a confession to helping other use them in order to keep up with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbsbiker View Post
    From today's story in Cyclingnews, I would bet the Lance is about the toss the UCI and all of cycling under the bus. Not that it will save him, but he will try to look better by implicating everyone.

    Lausanne Laboratory Gave Armstrong Key To Beating EPO Test, Says Tygart | Cyclingnews.com
    I just hope Tygart gets thrown under the bus. He's made a career of bringing down superior athletes. I bet he was beat up in the playgrounds by bullies who picked on the most obnoxious of the losers. Surely there's some dirt in that azzhole's past. I hate seeing him give his sanctimonious interviews on mainstream TV news. The interviewers treat him like some sports savior and he just loves playing the part and agreeing with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    I just hope Tygart gets thrown under the bus. He's made a career of bringing down superior athletes. I bet he was beat up in the playgrounds by bullies who picked on the most obnoxious of the losers. Surely there's some dirt in that azzhole's past. I hate seeing him give his sanctimonious interviews on mainstream TV news. The interviewers treat him like some sports savior and he just loves playing the part and agreeing with them.
    Nothing like dropping tons of taxpayer dollars on entirely meaningless crusades to make you feel all good inside. Glad we're borrowing from China to pay for these vital services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    Nothing like dropping tons of taxpayer dollars on entirely meaningless crusades to make you feel all good inside. Glad we're borrowing from China to pay for these vital services.
    Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    Huh?
    http://www.usada.org/ar-audit-report

    Scroll down to the "Federal Grants" line item... to the tune of $10M annually.

    Your tax dollars.. hard at work on important stuff.

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    Meanwhile Clemens, Bonds an Sosa are getting inducted into the Hall of Fame. What have any of them done for society other than play a game of catch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    http://www.usada.org/ar-audit-report

    Scroll down to the "Federal Grants" line item... to the tune of $10M annually.

    Your tax dollars.. hard at work on important stuff.
    You got me wrong, Thump. I never supported any investigation of Armstrong. Now that Tygart and his cronies have spent all this money you've alluded to, well, **** 'em, let Lance bring them down, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKamp View Post
    Meanwhile Clemens, Bonds an Sosa are getting inducted into the Hall of Fame. What have any of them done for society other than play a game of catch?
    no, they didn't get inducted..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie7 View Post
    no, they didn't get inducted..
    Well that restores a little of my faith in humanity

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    You got me wrong, Thump. I never supported any investigation of Armstrong. Now that Tygart and his cronies have spent all this money you've alluded to, well, **** 'em, let Lance bring them down, too.
    No.. I was agreeing with you. Tygart's a sanctimonious prick suckling millions off the public tit in return for nothing more than his own 15 minutes.

    Not that Lance is any better. Any remaining fanbois should check out how much actual cancer "research" that Livestrong actually does. Most all the funds go to "awareness and education", which is a fancy way of describing selling yellow bracelets and hyping Lance's PR image.

    The fact that even $1 of federal funding (aka. debt piled on the backs of future generations) would be spent on the TDF or any of this decade old pointless sham is what's appalling to me.

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    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    Everyone already knows that Lance used Strava....

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    Most all the funds go to "awareness and education", which is a fancy way of describing selling yellow bracelets and hyping Lance's PR image.

    The fact that even $1 of federal funding (aka. debt piled on the backs of future generations) would be spent on the TDF or any of this decade old pointless sham is what's appalling to me.
    Whatever Livestrong's fundraising $ went to, it doesn't take away from the number of people that were motivated by his success to keep fighting their own battles with cancer. You can't put a dollar amount on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser View Post
    Whatever Livestrong's fundraising $ went to, it doesn't take away from the number of people that were motivated by his success to keep fighting their own battles with cancer. You can't put a dollar amount on that.
    True. Not trying to say that Livestrong doesn't do any good.. but it doesn't excuse whipping out the "cancer shield" for everything else.

    If I got caught cheating at an MSC race, no one would buy into me getting all self-righteous at being questioned because I also do volunteer work and donations for my town, kid's school and other charities.

    I think the whole thing is ridiculous though. If they couldn't catch him or others at the time because of their own crap screening technology/practices or internal corruption then that's on them. Having some federally funded idiot spend millions to dig into an old bike race is f-ing absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post

    I think the whole thing is ridiculous though. If they couldn't catch him or others at the time because of their own crap screening technology/practices or internal corruption then that's on them. Having some federally funded idiot spend millions to dig into an old bike race is f-ing absurd.
    Totally agree with you on this, I am appalled at the crazy witchhunt's trying to prove that the athlete's took drugs (Lance, Bonds, Clemens etc). Why? Millions of dollars that could be spent on more important things. Like it was a big secret that Bonds took steroids, just look at the dude's head size over time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    Having some federally funded idiot spend millions to dig into an old bike race is f-ing absurd.
    x eleventy billion. So many more pressing problems, but I guess this one is easier for them to get excited about, b/c they get to show famous people who really has the power.
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    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    Things are really getting bad for Armstrong.
    It appears he's now in the middle of an illegal rug scandal and accused of stealing Donald Trumps toupe for his pet dog.

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    Lance can have his roids. He can't touch this at Hall ranch..

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