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    Kokopelli Trail

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    Just signed up for a May Kokopelli trip for the "6th" time. ;-)

    This is a great way to see the backcountry of Moab and Fruita if you've never been and the people who run it are awesome. Wildflowers popping, lizards leapin', sinful stretches of singletrack, remote...

    There are two trips the first week of May and it sells out quite quick.

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    a Buddy and I did it self supported last year in Oct. and it was awesome!

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    Definitely self supportable since it parallels the Colorado river with access points if you want to stash or just carry your own. I will do it in the fall. Need a new drug after this year like ... Durango hut trip to Moab ;-)

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    I've heard great things about that trip at my office. Going to check it out. Thanks

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    Just remember Bikerpelli is a bare-bones operation. Don't expect shelter (other than your tent) and a weather "option." If you get weather, you are either riding or riding. Prepare for Colorado spring weather!

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    6 times!

    Maybe give it a go self supported next time. Much more adventure and less cost if you have the right gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dash
    Definitely self supportable since it parallels the Colorado river with access points if you want to stash or just carry your own. I will do it in the fall. Need a new drug after this year like ... Durango hut trip to Moab ;-)
    This is on my list also.

    We stashed our food and water near the campsite we were staying at. Only one critter got into our trail mix and ate everything but the raisins. Bastards....

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    Got a couple buddies that just signed up for the 4/29 one.
    Anyone else here doing that one?
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    Good job! Kokopelli / COPMOBA

    If you are considering riding the Kokopelli, consider the Tour De Bloom May 13 - 16. It is an excellent ride supported by COPMOBA and it is their primary fund raiser for the year.

    This is the group to thank if you enjoy riding in Fruita, Grand Junction or the surrounding areas. They do most of the trial maintenance and building, along with much of the public relations work between the user groups and the BLM. Please check them out at http://copmoba.org/

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    Quote Originally Posted by dash
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    Just signed up for a May Kokopelli trip for the "6th" time. .
    Wow, you are an addict.

    Like others here, I have the urge to do it self-supported. I just can't decide if I want to spend one or two nights out.

    Dash, after doing it 5 times, do you still ride the "yellowjacket" section or screw it and take the road?

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    I signed up for the 5/6 ride, it's my first. Been eyeing it for the last few years and talked a riding buddy into doing it this year.

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    $435...yikes. i think it cost me $15 in food to do almost all of it unsupported last fall. and i'm not planning on doing it again. there's like 80 miles in the middle that are pretty darn boring for it to be worth that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaydude
    Maybe give it a go self supported next time. Much more adventure and less cost if you have the right gear.
    LoL

    You are so right, but every year a friend or family member shows up to ride and there I go again. It doesn't take a lot of reconvincing but indeed this is my last and will use my experience well. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomit
    $435...yikes. i think it cost me $15 in food to do almost all of it unsupported last fall. and i'm not planning on doing it again. there's like 80 miles in the middle that are pretty darn boring for it to be worth that much.

    Nothing wrong with paying for other people to do the work. I found doing the white rim sagged cost me a lot in the long term. But the challenge of totally self supported or sagged is fun in itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    Wow, you are an addict.

    Like others here, I have the urge to do it self-supported. I just can't decide if I want to spend one or two nights out.

    Dash, after doing it 5 times, do you still ride the "yellowjacket" section or screw it and take the road?
    Always yellowjacket #1 because it's fun and #2 because sometimes the weather becomes a tad angry and we need to bypass the big climb after dewey bridge (whats left of it) A tad addicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomit
    $435...yikes. i think it cost me $15 in food to do almost all of it unsupported last fall. and i'm not planning on doing it again. there's like 80 miles in the middle that are pretty darn boring for it to be worth that much.
    I think you're being generous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy!
    Got a couple buddies that just signed up for the 4/29 one.
    Anyone else here doing that one?
    Yep, a buddy and I are doing this one. It'll be my second trip with Bikerpelli.

    I don't find the $435 to be steep. The food is awesome (better than you could ever do self supported!!), the campsites they secure are amazing and if you don't show up at a checkpoint, they'll come get you.

    They support you in camp and you support yourself along the trail.

    I had a blast last year, except for the last half day... that thunder/hail storm really sucked and make Porcupine Rim unridable. If nothing else, I want to do it again just to get the PR payoff!

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    The $$ seems like a lot at 1st, but if you break it down, it's not that bad.
    The food, support, campsites, massages (free??), drive back to Fruita, etc etc all cost money!
    Ask around and meet Mike H and Ken W - good guys. I think they'll have a couple others with them too.
    Come on Ken - chime in - I know you're lurking!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    I think you're being generous...
    But what an 80 miles of mixed terrain, wildflowers and killer views! This trail is worth it alone for the beginning and end (UPS) and finding out you can actually complete a ride like this. That's kind of like saying the white rim sucks and you know that's not true. It's cool to chill with your buddies riding side by side and taking it all in. Are their any trails with 150 miles of singletrack. I'd like to move up

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    Quote Originally Posted by dash
    But what an 80 miles of mixed terrain, wildflowers and killer views! This trail is worth it alone for the beginning and end (UPS) and finding out you can actually complete a ride like this. That's kind of like saying the white rim sucks and you know that's not true. It's cool to chill with your buddies riding side by side and taking it all in. Are their any trails with 150 miles of singletrack. I'd like to move up
    I agree with you. Nothing can describe the experience. People run Marathons all the time in boring cities. They didn't necessarily do it to see Boston, Denver, etc....

    I have done the white rim three times, once in one day....and plan to do it again this year again.

    The challenge and accomplishment make up for the letdown that might be seen if that particular section was done by itself.

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    So when you get past (the former) Dewey Bridge, is the climb up Onion Creek?
    And, the last stretch is either Sand Flats Rd or UPS/LPS/Porc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dash
    But what an 80 miles of mixed terrain, wildflowers and killer views! This trail is worth it alone for the beginning and end (UPS) and finding out you can actually complete a ride like this. That's kind of like saying the white rim sucks and you know that's not true. It's cool to chill with your buddies riding side by side and taking it all in. Are their any trails with 150 miles of singletrack. I'd like to move up
    Yah... don't get me wrong. It was a fun trip - big group of mates and I did it self-supported back in... '97 maybe? But that was enough. The riding is mediocre other than the ST at the start and the "goods" at the end.

    And yes... there are trails with 150 miles of singletrack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy!
    So when you get past (the former) Dewey Bridge, is the climb up Onion Creek?
    No - you climb straight south away from Dewey. You're east of Onion Creek... climb up to Fisher Mesa. It's all doubletrack/jeep road through that area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    No - you climb straight south away from Dewey. You're east of Onion Creek... climb up to Fisher Mesa. It's all doubletrack/jeep road through that area.
    So where from Top of the World?
    I 4x4'd up TOW once, and thought it may be fun to come down on a bike. Not sure about going up.
    Great view up there. Even better than Porc's overlook IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy!
    So where from Top of the World?
    I 4x4'd up TOW once, and thought it may be fun to come down on a bike. Not sure about going up.
    Great view up there. Even better than Porc's overlook IMHO.
    Dude... it was like 12 years ago. I have no idea. Sorry.

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    You know everything else - you should know this too. COME ON (make something up at least)!
    Just curious what exactly I'm missing out on.
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    Ride the Kokopelli trail-
    as a social event.
    as a antisocial event.
    because you love the desert.
    because you love pedaling.

    Don't ride the Kokopelli trail for the "trail".
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cGPY9-_Xh0NejjsUhXvcGg?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_exYKWiGi4ds/SiahEFqGbFI/AAAAAAAAAgo/CvjnGQQ1sEk/s800/Kokopelli%202009%20058.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/BrianRFW/Kokopelli2009?feat=embedwebsite">Kokopelli 2009</a></td></tr></table>

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy!
    So where from Top of the World?
    top of the world trail isn't really part of kokopelli.

    on the road you use to get to the top of the world trail (the one that starts right at dewey bridge)....you just keep going straight (east), instead of turning right. and it takes you way around to the southeast before going back west to moab.

    lots and lots of climbing on dirt roads. like 8k worth. couple little techy descents (still 4x4 roads though...not really ideal or all that fun on a bike). more climbing up the la sal loop road. then ups/lps/porc

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    I agree with you. Nothing can describe the experience. People run Marathons all the time in boring cities. They didn't necessarily do it to see Boston, Denver, etc....

    I have done the white rim three times, once in one day....and plan to do it again this year again.

    The challenge and accomplishment make up for the letdown that might be seen if that particular section was done by itself.
    Sound like an addict there yourself Mr Lidarman. I have never done the WR trip yet but I hear it's a must do. Will look to you for some insight when I do.

    Well said...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moustache rider
    Ride the Kokopelli trail-
    as a social event.
    as a antisocial event.
    because you love the desert.
    because you love pedaling.

    Don't ride the Kokopelli trail for the "trail".
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    Nice photo spread there. Did you see the petroglyphs in McDonald Creek Canyon. Here's a few random pics of Mac creek and other various parts of the kokopelli including a coyote den I happened upon in Mac creek
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    A few more here. The coyote Den didn't come up full size in the last set. There are 4 pups visible.
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    Just a few more and some Guadalaharas!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy!
    You know everything else - you should know this too. COME ON (make something up at least)!
    Just curious what exactly I'm missing out on.
    If you can get a group of guys to do it (and they're fun to hang out with)... do the Kokopelli. Otherwise I'd recommend just riding a bunch of singletrack in Fruita followed by a couple days in Moab.

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    I might consider it if there are explosions, loud speed metal music, nekkid dancin' girls, and maybe some Red Bull Rampage videos along the way to keep me from getting too bored on those sections that don't have drops, steps, ladders, ledges, and other techy features. Views, solitude, peddling.... meh........... tree hugger stuff. Might as well be hiking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    <snip> Might as well be hiking.
    I was gonna say this. But decided not to.


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    DREAMRIDE applies to bikerpelli too.
    Personally I hate it nothing like being stuck in a group of 30 -50 riders when youíre trying to ride Lyonís or Troy Built! I like camping in Rabbit Valley also when bikerpelli comes through. (not). Itís a tent city in the desert. Where do all those people crap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dash
    Nice photo spread there. Did you see the petroglyphs in McDonald Creek Canyon. Here's a few random pics of Mac creek and other various parts of the kokopelli including a coyote den I happened upon in Mac creek
    I missed the petroglyphs. I didn't spend much time there because it was raining off and on and I wanted to reach my next planned campsite before a big downpour came through.
    I did spot some rock art of the more recent variety.
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/D3OstUU2r6t8pL6ZwwSeaA?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_exYKWiGi4ds/SiYGNQp4WvI/AAAAAAAAAgA/0gUjK6LKjbE/s800/Kokopelli%202009%20045.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/BrianRFW/Kokopelli2009?feat=embedwebsite">Kokopelli 2009</a></td></tr></table>


    Quote Originally Posted by big galoot
    DREAMRIDE applies to bikerpelli too.
    Sorry to say this man, but I think linking to any Lee Bridgers rant should result in instant ban. He is a man that confuses opinion for wisdom and he sure has lots of opinions.
    Even if he hits the mark once in a while it doesn't make up for the other 95% of the time when he just sounds like a raving douchatic.

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    I did it unsupported about 10 years ago. From what I remember the trail was fun in the beginning (Fruita/Loma riding) and at the end.

    but there was a lot of jeep road in the middle, which would have been fine except for the mud from the downpour. There was a section of jeep road that we all agreed would never be spoken of again due to having to drag our bikes with 30 lbs of mud in addition to our gear. whoops I spoke of it--

    all said I think it should be done by all once--and if you find the middle beautiful and worth it, do it a 2nd time or 6th time if you will.
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    Moustache, I remember (I think) a report from you on that ride that you link to in your pix - which I really like BTW.
    Can you put up a link to that report?
    I am having difficulty finding it.

    Edit - nevermind - here's what I was looking for:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj
    I did it unsupported about 10 years ago. From what I remember the trail was fun in the beginning (Fruita/Loma riding) and at the end.

    but there was a lot of jeep road in the middle, which would have been fine except for the mud from the downpour. There was a section of jeep road that we all agreed would never be spoken of again due to having to drag our bikes with 30 lbs of mud in addition to our gear. whoops I spoke of it--

    all said I think it should be done by all once--and if you find the middle beautiful and worth it, do it a 2nd time or 6th time if you will.
    Hey.... you may have been on the SAME trip I was. Except we got shafted out of the end portion due to mud and rain and cold. Where was your section of impassible mud?

    Oh - and I forgot how much fun the howling wind made those jeep-track sections in the middle... and the deep patches of sand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by big galoot
    DREAMRIDE applies to bikerpelli too.
    Personally I hate it nothing like being stuck in a group of 30 -50 riders when youíre trying to ride Lyonís or Troy Built! I like camping in Rabbit Valley also when bikerpelli comes through. (not). Itís a tent city in the desert. Where do all those people crap?
    I hear ya. Nobody wants to be caught behind some newbies to the area biffing every 12' ledge for that section in Fruita. As per BLM permit, people are released in waves of 20 riders per skill, fastest first and so on. If your smart you jump off on Horsetheif maybe even Moore fun and Mack to avoid most anyone and then intersect Troys. For as many times as I've been riding this, I've found myself not seeing a soul in sight for many miles. I do tend to explore a bit and do photos so I let a lot of people just go. It's just a nice feeling knowing you can ride as much as you want to all day and roll into camp to an enthusiastic group of diehards with plenty of fresh guac and micros and dinner. This ride only hurts your ass.
    Nobody camps in Rabbit valley per se, just at the top of the Westwater mesa. (My picture suggests otherwise)
    And everyone craps in a bucket with a little toilet lid on top! Great view from those bathrooms though..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy!
    Moustache, I remember (I think) a report from you on that ride that you link to in your pix - which I really like BTW.
    Can you put up a link to that report?
    I am having difficulty finding it.

    Edit - nevermind - here's what I was looking for:
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    No problem Andy. Glad you like it.

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    Amazing how all these people up on their soap boxes feel they can look down their nose at other riders because of different preferences. And just how much better they seem to think they are because they don't want to ride with a group, camp with a group, ride across the desert or anything else that is beneath them. I feel sorry for you guys.

    bad andy! - The massages aren't free... but when you've cramped up for 12 miles because you didn't drink enough water, they're worth every penny!

    dash - I think we were on the same trip last year. The yellow FJ and those ominous clouds were on my trip!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh
    Amazing how all these people up on their soap boxes feel they can look down their nose at other riders because of different preferences. And just how much better they seem to think they are because they don't want to ride with a group, camp with a group, ride across the desert or anything else that is beneath them. I feel sorry for you guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh
    Amazing how all these people up on their soap boxes feel they can look down their nose at other riders because of different preferences. And just how much better they seem to think they are because they don't want to ride with a group, camp with a group, ride across the desert or anything else that is beneath them. I feel sorry for you guys.
    ? its not beneath us (or me, at least). i just happen to think there's plenty of better rides in colorado, or even around that area....that don't cost over 400 dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomit
    ? its not beneath us (or me, at least). i just happen to think there's plenty of better rides in colorado, or even around that area....that don't cost over 400 dollars.
    Just imagine all the booze, hookers, and blow you could get if you and your mates arranged the trip yourselves.

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    I wouldn't mind a nice meal half way, but that's worth about $30 to me each. So that's $60. A ride back to Fruita is worth about $50 too. At some point it adds up to be worth it for some folks, but not for others. For example someone to not make me lost--well that's not worth anything, as I prefer to get lost myself... When I rode cross country I did it for $15 a day, and just figured out where to go each day on my own. plenty of other folks do supported or guided rides across the country, any way you do it it's pretty cool.

    beats watching tv and drinking light beer any day in my book. right now, I'd really just like some single track that's close to home.

    I just heard the Walker Ranch is pretty good if you go early...
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    Hey, it's the desert dude.... I'm not trying to convince veterans that you will love it like it's the first time again. You either love it or skip it for the shuttle and do the Enchilada 0 calories.. comprende? It's got it all including sections only 5% of us could clean 5% of the time. And some good chill time. I've seen the hardest finish in disarray and the weakest find a new person in themselves. The staff on this particular trip runs a great gig and donates a percentage to the local stewards and 400 benjis is cheap compared to other outfits. (yes expensive compared to self support IF you know the lay of the land) A win win. I like to be on my bike for long times and this ride suits me well. It's no race but you could kick some arse here if you wish. I've crossed paths with Kit Morrison here two years ago, you know the girl who reeked havoc on Montezuma climbing about 24,000 feet in 24 hours. She was smiling ear to ear....

    Skiahh, I always ride the first trip. Mothers day the following weekend usually if ya get my drift!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomit
    ? its not beneath us (or me, at least). i just happen to think there's plenty of better rides in colorado, or even around that area....that don't cost over 400 dollars.
    You're probably right... I certainly wouldn't argue with that. . Nor would I belittle you for your choices even if I didn't like the ride you were talking about. Or say you may as well hike or whatever.

    But to me, as well as the other 180 people who do this one, it's worth it and an enjoyable ride, regardless of what a bunch of internet "pros" say!

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    180 x 430 = 77400

    i should start a business.

    all you can eat pb&honey and bananas for breakfast, lunch & dinner. homemade oatmeal raisin pecan cookies if you're one of the first 5 to each rest stop.

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