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    Keystone VS Winterpark with a 6" bike

    Hello. Im planning to do a 5 day vacation and bring my Specialized Enduro that is a 6.3" travel bike. What suppose to be more fun with this kind of bike Winterpark+Solvista or Keystone. Thanks.

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    Personally I would chose Winterpark. I use my Remedy with a dropper post and have no problem with any of the trails.

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    I rode my 2010 enduro all over winterpark and had a blast!!! Look up rainmaker trail and that says it all!!

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    Rode my 575 up at WP all july 4 weekend and had no Prob on anything
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    solvista will probably really push that bike though. wp is amazing

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    Quote Originally Posted by bedell99 View Post
    Personally I would chose Winterpark. I use my Remedy with a dropper post and have no problem with any of the trails.

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    Bump, I run WP with my Nomad 6.3" and a dropper post. All the guys (5 of the 7) in my group run 160mm bikes except two, a Yeti ASR-7 and a Mountain Cycle 9" DH rig. Sol Vista and Keystone have some more challenging features but you should be able to ride a lot of it depending on your skill level with a 6.3" bike.There are some lines at SV and Keystone that would be much better with a dedicated park bike. You can do everything at WP with a 6.3" bike. Its well designed and last year I rode most of WP on a 140mm/5.5" bike.
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    Keystone is a bit burly for "only" 6 inches of travel. WP is the best choice for all mountain bikes.

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    Warrior Princess for sure. Nothing like buffed out singletrack and berms galore for your 6" steed. Heck you could do it all on a 4" bike or hardtail...save for maybe Trestle DH or mtn goat. There is also more pedaling at WP than the other resorts you mention IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ignazjr View Post
    I rode Mountain Goat on a hardtail with a 60mm fork 14 years ago. Damn, I'm old.
    I know the feeling. I rode Keystone on my Explosif a dozen yrs back now if I take it to a resort everyone is like "you're gonna die riding that here!"
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    My son and I actually enjoyed Keystone over Winterpark for shorter travel bikes. It should be said were not real huge DH guys. We like techy, twisty single track with a few jumps and misc. mixed in. It just felt like Keystone had a bigger selection for us. Winterpark was a blast thou. Don't get me wrong. I had to hold myself back from renting a DH bike.

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    You will be absolutely fine with a 6" or even less travel bikes at any of the parks. Anyone that says otherwise is either a DH racer and forgets that 6" used to be a huge amount of travel, or they just think their bike is the only thing that matters.

    I rode all last year at KS and SV on a 5.5" travel...now I'm on 7". 7" is a bit more fun and fast, but 5.5 did not keep me from doing anything I am capable of. I'm just doing it a bit faster now.

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    Some dude took 2nd pro DH at Bootleg Canyon this year on an Enduro and BC is more advanced than anything at Keystone or WP. You'll have a blast at either resort! WP offers more easy to intermediate terrain if that's a concern.

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    Keystone-- real awesome single track perfect for a 6" bike. Honestly has some of the best trails at any of the parks for a 6" bike.

    WP-- great smooth stuff. You can ride the whole park on 6" and have fun.

    Sol Vista-- has more rocks that will jar you a bit on a few trails. Half their trails however would be super super fun on 6" and these guys who run the place are the best. . . people who ride bikes are treated like first class citizens here!

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    For a 6 and under bike, also, it's easier to go pedaling singletrack off the resort as well. Bernardo, if you're into also spending a little time riding not via chairlift, I like the variety at WP better. Good xc and AM stuff a short pedal away from the resort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SylentK View Post
    Heck you could do it all on a 4" bike or hardtail...save for maybe Trestle DH or mtn goat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gearwhine View Post
    You will be absolutely fine with a 6" or even less travel bikes at any of the parks. Anyone that says otherwise is either a DH racer and forgets that 6" used to be a huge amount of travel, or they just think their bike is the only thing that matters
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    I have rode wp/ks/sv on my 150mm Trek Remedy w/ Fox 36, it is fun and does ok but I feel bad for the beating it gets and would rather rent a dh bike than abuse my trail bike at a resort. My dh bike is just more fun to ride when going dh and the more progressive sus suits that style of riding a lot better. This is kind of a big deal because most trailbikes have a more linear sus and if you bottom it enough riding resorts you will break your frame. Also, if you don't have a chainguide on your trailbike you will be dropping your chain every run. You can get a stinger chainguide for cheap that will help, and if you run a fox air shock it's pretty easy and cheap to reduce the aircan volume, fox even sells a kit for this so you can make your shock more progressive. Or get a coil shock that has adjustable air pressure/volume so you can tune the shock to be more progressive as needed.

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    I've rode my 6" travel Meta6 at Keystone and had a lot of fun. I have more fun on my Demo 8 but that doesn't mean you shouldn't skip it entirely because you don't have a DH bike.

    If you're here for that long ride them both and checkout Vail. Just look before you leap, WP features are all roll-able but some of Keystone's are not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gearwhine View Post
    You will be absolutely fine with a 6" or even less travel bikes at any of the parks. Anyone that says otherwise is either a DH racer and forgets that 6" used to be a huge amount of travel, or they just think their bike is the only thing that matters.

    I rode all last year at KS and SV on a 5.5" travel...now I'm on 7". 7" is a bit more fun and fast, but 5.5 did not keep me from doing anything I am capable of. I'm just doing it a bit faster now.
    It's not suspension travel as much as geometry. IMO, slack and low makes lift riding easier and more fun, regardless of which resort you're talking about. I rode all the local resorts back when my only bike was a 5" travel Titus Switchblade, and it was fun. I can ride pretty much any trail at any of the resorts (and more easily) on my 4" sx. But a real dh bike makes long days more fun.
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    rode Kestone on a 5'' bike last year and did most of it and had a blast.

    i dont do any real big drops or go crazy but it seemed to do alright.

    btw. i will be up there again this year on the same bike but may rent a DH bike for a day.
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    New section of rainmaker... getting close!


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    Quote Originally Posted by joelalamo45 View Post
    New section of rainmaker... getting close!

    Is that an MTB trail or motor cross? I'm sure I'll take heat for this, but I find wide trails with tables and berms void of rocks, roots and other natural terrain boring. Why do these trails need to be double track wide? Trestle DH is excellent IMO because it's single track with plenty of rocks and roots. Proper DH IMO. You can't call half of the trails at WP single track. And where's the rocks? Why dig up everything to create a wide smooth trail? How about another double black Trestle like trail. You know, single track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    Is that an MTB trail or motor cross? I'm sure I'll take heat for this, but I find wide trails with tables and berms void of rocks, roots and other natural terrain boring. Why do these trails need to be double track wide? Trestle DH is excellent IMO because it's single track with plenty of rocks and roots. Proper DH IMO. You can't call half of the trails at WP single track. And where's the rocks? Why dig up everything to create a wide smooth trail? How about another double black Trestle like trail. You know, single track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    Is that an MTB trail or motor cross? I'm sure I'll take heat for this, but I find wide trails with tables and berms void of rocks, roots and other natural terrain boring. Why do these trails need to be double track wide? Trestle DH is excellent IMO because it's single track with plenty of rocks and roots. Proper DH IMO. You can't call half of the trails at WP single track. And where's the rocks? Why dig up everything to create a wide smooth trail? How about another double black Trestle like trail. You know, single track.

    I enjoy variety, Trestle DH and Rainmaker are currently my favorite trails at WP. I would be very happy to see more trails like either one of them.

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    FWIW there are 3 trails under construction as we speak, 2 DH trails and the top section of Rainmaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113 View Post
    I enjoy variety, Trestle DH and Rainmaker are currently my favorite trails at WP. I would be very happy to see more trails like either one of them.

    P.S. Quit whining
    Not whining, just stating my opinion which I'm well aware is not shared be many. I prefer technical over wide buff with tables and berms, just my style, I'm glad you like wide buff trails. WP has little to offer a rider with my taste. Most prefer rain maker style trails over trestle DH, so it makes perfect sense WP would bias their trails towards buff wide trails. Just not my thing that's all.

    Bootleg Canyon is more my style for DH riding. I like Keystone, but they don't have anything steep which Is my favorite.

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    Purpose built, excavated trails like Rainmaker are FUN! Get over it. Not everything has to be singletrack. There is no shortage of singletrack in Colorado. If you're going to resorts to "find" it, you're lazy - get off your butt and climb to it! I am excited for some proper DH trails at WP though!

    "I can ride anything at XXXX on a XXXX travel bike" comment it a moot point, doesn't matter. Some parks are MORE suited to gravity bikes than others. What matters more in regards to which place you'll enjoy more is your ability level.

    And Bootleg Canyon is NOT more advanced than anything at Keystone and WP, that's a silly comparison. They're totally different! Bootleg canyon has like what, 1000 ft of elevation? The trails are burly, but I don't doubt you could competitively race a capable AM bike there if you're a great peddler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    Purpose built, excavated trails like Rainmaker are FUN! Get over it. Not everything has to be singletrack. There is no shortage of singletrack in Colorado. If you're going to resorts to "find" it, you're lazy - get off your butt and climb to it! I am excited for some proper DH trails at WP though!

    "I can ride anything at XXXX on a XXXX travel bike" comment it a moot point, doesn't matter. Some parks are MORE suited to gravity bikes than others. What matters more in regards to which place you'll enjoy more is your ability level.

    And Bootleg Canyon is NOT more advanced than anything at Keystone and WP, that's a silly comparison. They're totally different! Bootleg canyon has like what, 1000 ft of elevation? The trails are burly, but I don't doubt you could competitively race a capable AM bike there if you're a great peddler.

    FWIW, I'm taking my 8" bike and my 5" bike to Keystone this weekend.
    Just so you know, I've only used the lift at WP twice, but I've rode Trestle DH at least 20 times. I typically pedal a morewood Izimu up the rd twice for two runs down Trestle. You guys are getting upset because my personal taste is different than most. It's ok, not everyone needs to like the same trails you do.

    I wasn't comparing BC to WP or keystone, just stating that it's more my style. I've pedaled bootleg on a nomad and dropped all their double black's other than ginger. This year a guy took 2np pro DH on an Enduro there. BC is great for a 6" and at least one pro felt it was a better choice than a DH bike. I love Trestle DH, and most trails at Keystone, but BC suites my personal style better, that's all. Enjoy and take it easy, not everyone likes the same things you do. It's ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joelalamo45 View Post
    FWIW there are 3 trails under construction as we speak, 2 DH trails and the top section of Rainmaker.
    I love it! Can you comment at all about the DH trails? Are they machine built or hand? Any good rock gardens? Stunts? Any idea when they might be open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kristian View Post
    I love it! Can you comment at all about the DH trails? Are they machine built or hand? Any good rock gardens? Stunts? Any idea when they might be open?
    I haven't seen either one... I know one is a short re-route type of trail, maybe 1/4 mile long (don't hold me to that) but as of right now I don't know much. I'm just basing this on the new signs I had to make for them, and from chatter around here at the resort that I've overheard. TrestleBP will probably be posting about it soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    There's some serious d1ck-waving going on in this thread now! Well done...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    Is that an MTB trail or motor cross? I'm sure I'll take heat for this, but I find wide trails with tables and berms void of rocks, roots and other natural terrain boring. Why do these trails need to be double track wide? Trestle DH is excellent IMO because it's single track with plenty of rocks and roots. Proper DH IMO. You can't call half of the trails at WP single track. And where's the rocks? Why dig up everything to create a wide smooth trail? How about another double black Trestle like trail. You know, single track.
    I think they are built wide for safety reasons.. when you are flying through the air it is safer to have a big landing.. seems like common sense to me.. you should try it, its fun..
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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia View Post
    I think they are built wide for safety reasons.. when you are flying through the air it is safer to have a big landing.. seems like common sense to me.. you should try it, its fun..
    I think they are built the width of a skid steerer, but that's just supposition on my part...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    Is that an MTB trail or motor cross? I'm sure I'll take heat for this, but I find wide trails with tables and berms void of rocks, roots and other natural terrain boring. Why do these trails need to be double track wide? Trestle DH is excellent IMO because it's single track with plenty of rocks and roots. Proper DH IMO. You can't call half of the trails at WP single track. And where's the rocks? Why dig up everything to create a wide smooth trail? How about another double black Trestle like trail. You know, single track.
    The easy answer is: This is the top portion of the soon-to-be top to bottom Rainmaker run. Why would you expect the top portion to vary wildly from the other 3 parts?

    There are more trails coming, so I would understand that you might be upset if everything else they built was like this, but come on, do you also go to a skatepark and complain because it's not bumpy enough for you? Not everything needs to be just like (insert your favorite resort here)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kristian View Post
    I think they are built the width of a skid steerer, but that's just supposition on my part...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser View Post
    The easy answer is: This is the top portion of the soon-to-be top to bottom Rainmaker run. Why would you expect the top portion to vary wildly from the other 3 parts?

    There are more trails coming, so I would understand that you might be upset if everything else they built was like this, but come on, do you also go to a skatepark and complain because it's not bumpy enough for you? Not everything needs to be just like (insert your favorite resort here)...
    Totally understand.

    I took a guy down Trestle and he complained that he could ride trails like that anywhere, he bought a lift ticket to ride rainmaker type trails. I thought, you don't like Trestle? man we have different styles and tastes, but each to their own, and he made a good point. You can't ride rainmaker style trails outside of resorts. It's just not my thing, it's ok to have opinions right? I knew my comment would receive lots of negativity so I asked for it. For me, I won't be buying lift tickets until there are more DH runs that interest me. WP won't loose any money over their lack of tech single track because many wouldn't want to ride that style trail anyway. I'll continue to pedal the rd and rideTrestle because it's one of my fav rides in the state.

    I look forward to the new trails and hope there will be more like Trestle to compliment rain maker style trails. Of course you can't please everyone. The great thing about our sport is everyone has their own style and taste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitek79 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    I look forward to the new trails and hope there will be more like Trestle to compliment rain maker style trails. Of course you can't please everyone. The great thing about our sport is everyone has their own style and taste.
    And as excited as I am for a top to bottom Rainmaker (which I've been dreaming of since the early days), I'm also excited to see what gnar WP can create. There's the potential of the whole MJ side with boulder drops and steeps...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kristian View Post
    I think they are built the width of a skid steerer, but that's just supposition on my part...
    Well, yes, that too... but i doubt any resort will ever build a single track jump trail.. but i certainly know where to find them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kristian View Post
    I think they are built the width of a skid steerer, but that's just supposition on my part...
    Well, yes, that too... but i doubt any resort will ever build a single track jump trail.. but i certainly know where to find them...
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    Here is the latest WP update -

    "Witness" opens this afternoon! it is a short DH section that will finish off the trestle DH course (off of Blvd). It will finish at Snoasis and provide direct access to Eskimo lift instead of having to ride to the top of Gemini and then down the road. So...you come out of the bottom of Trestle DH off the wooden feature, enter onto BLVD for the right hand berm, head down the chunder section for a few hundred feet and then Witness peels off and heads down towards, and underneath, the Eskimo lift. This will be the new finish for a couple Crankworx races - Unchained and DH.

    Another couple sections will be opening over the next few days. Search and Seizure drops in near Trestle DH at Sunspot. it joins Trestle DH and/or Shy Ann.

    A section of upper Rainmaker will open Monday. It will start at the top and then peel off to join Double Jeopardy across the road. This will be a preview for the rest that is under construction down to 5-points.

    Enjoy and see you up here this weekend!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrestleBP View Post
    Here is the latest WP update -

    "Witness" opens this afternoon! it is a short DH section that will finish off the trestle DH course (off of Blvd). It will finish at Snoasis and provide direct access to Eskimo lift instead of having to ride to the top of Gemini and then down the road. So...you come out of the bottom of Trestle DH off the wooden feature, enter onto BLVD for the right hand berm, head down the chunder section for a few hundred feet and then Witness peels off and heads down towards, and underneath, the Eskimo lift. This will be the new finish for a couple Crankworx races - Unchained and DH.

    Another couple sections will be opening over the next few days. Search and Seizure drops in near Trestle DH at Sunspot. it joins Trestle DH and/or Shy Ann.

    A section of upper Rainmaker will open Monday. It will start at the top and then peel off to join Double Jeopardy across the road. This will be a preview for the rest that is under construction down to 5-points.

    Enjoy and see you up here this weekend!
    Awesome. See ya Monday!

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