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    It's blue... and it's dead.

    Found it cleaning after my ride this morning. I thought my shim was creaking for the last couple of days, but it turns out it wasn't the shim.

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    Jim the Giant Killer!

    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    Found it cleaning after my ride this morning. I thought my shim was creaking for the last couple of days, but it turns out it wasn't the shim. Guess I'll be heading to Supergo later today.
    That was quick! Are you going to be able to piece together than green machine between now and Sunday?

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    wow!!! was that from your fall???

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    wow!!! was that from your fall???
    Nah, it's the common seat tube break just below the weld. It's been popping/creaking for about two weeks, but it just started moving paint today. Besides, the bike landed on me on Sunday. hehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by kristian
    That was quick! Are you going to be able to piece together than green machine between now and Sunday?
    I hope so... pulled the brake line out of my lever this morning too. Gotta get with Larry and either buy a new one or use this one again. It's been one of those days.

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    That sucks!

    Wouldn't you really rather have an ASX made right here in CO? Nice thing is Supergo & Giant make replacing it easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    Wouldn't you really rather have an ASX made right here in CO? Nice thing is Supergo & Giant make replacing it easy.
    Truth be told... I'm not too broken hearted about having to build my Chameleon up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    Truth be told... I'm not too broken hearted about having to build my Chameleon up again.
    Yeah, you're lucky that way. Dual suspension is over rated anyway. If I broke my frame I'd have to do without a direct replacement for a while and I freaking build frames! I could ride my old Mountain Goat Deluxe as a SS though....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    Yeah, you're lucky that way. Dual suspension is over rated anyway. If I broke my frame I'd have to do without a direct replacement for a while and I freaking build frames! I could ride my old Mountain Goat Deluxe as a SS though....
    Cobbler's kid is the last to get shoes....

    Jim, you're an animal - what've you had that thing for all of 6 weeks now? You do realize that you are supposed to wait until after Giant has depleted their entire stock of ACs before you can "find Faith" right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    Truth be told... I'm not too broken hearted about having to build my Chameleon up again.
    Jim, here's your opportunity to buy my '04 asx frame! I dare you to break it!
    See my shameless spam thread in this forum for a link to the add.

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    This frame could be yours....



    It's in fantastic condition...



    All you gotta do is....buy it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by s1ngletrack
    Jim, you're an animal - what've you had that thing for all of 6 weeks now? You do realize that you are supposed to wait until after Giant has depleted their entire stock of ACs before you can "find Faith" right?
    I've pretty much only ridden trail with it since I got it, I dunno what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    I've pretty much only ridden trail with it since I got it, I dunno what happened.
    I'm not sure either - but I'll be telling myself that it was a freak failure when I go to sleep tonight. Have you talked to the guys @ Supergo yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s1ngletrack
    I'm not sure either - but I'll be telling myself that it was a freak failure when I go to sleep tonight. Have you talked to the guys @ Supergo yet?
    Doood, do you have one? I thought you had a Specialized for some reason. That slog in the snow must of erased it from my memory.

    ASX! ASX! ASX!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    Doood, do you have one? I thought you had a Specialized for some reason. That slog in the snow must of erased it from my memory.

    ASX! ASX! ASX!
    Yeah - I've got one. I'm pretty happy with it. My friend rides an ASX - he's pretty happy with his bike too. I think if I where going to get a new frame (and spend around a grand) I'd look @ the Banshee Chaparral - but I'm admittedly infatuated with them right now.

    I'm hoping that mine will last long enough to score the new "Faith" frame when I crush mine like so many cocoa-puffs beneath the wheels of progress... - well, that or something not quite spectacular (but the first sounds cooler)

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    Quote Originally Posted by s1ngletrack
    Yeah - I've got one. I'm pretty happy with it. My friend rides an ASX - he's pretty happy with his bike too. I think if I where going to get a new frame (and spend around a grand) I'd look @ the Banshee Chaparral - but I'm admittedly infatuated with them right now.

    I'm hoping that mine will last long enough to score the new "Faith" frame when I crush mine like so many cocoa-puffs beneath the wheels of progress... - well, that or something not quite spectacular (but the first sounds cooler)
    I'm not familiar with the Faith. Got a link? The Chap's a nice bike, but it's like what, an 11 pound frame? I'm not a weight weenie by any stretch, but damn, that's a big fat azz! Specially for a 6" "trail" bike. You gonna' just use it for those Red Bull moments? Seriously, if you can spend a grand for a big hit frame, you can spend two or three, right (I saw that pimpin' rig you drive!)? Talk to Noel Buckley and see if you can't score one of his V-Tachs. That's a frame I'd like to have: pedals good, outstanding build quality, and fun to look at. Expensive, but you can save your money when you're dead.

    On the other hand, I've been unable to break my 4-pound frames for the last 5 or so years; hardtails don't experience a lot of the stresses a full-squishy does...of course I don't go around flinging myself off of cliffs like you guys do either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    Found it cleaning after my ride this morning. I thought my shim was creaking for the last couple of days, but it turns out it wasn't the shim.

    NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't post pictures of that kinda stuff!!! I'm in so much debt because of my same frame I got from the same place as you!!!! I can't afford to have it break!!!! Dammit, i knew getting a Giant wasn't a good idea..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by s1ngletrack
    I'll be telling myself that it was a freak failure when I go to sleep tonight. Have you talked to the guys @ Supergo yet?
    Well, since the bike hasn't (hadn't) even been abused yet, I hadn't had it long enough so I'd say freak failure and rest easy my friend.

    I'm taking the frame down today and the Giant rep is supposed to be in next week or something, they were a bit vague but I'll get details today. It should be a no-brainer as the frame is less than 2 months old and still looks like new, besides the obvious.

    I'm already wishing it was SC I was dealing with... I'd have an RA# by now and it would be on it's way to Cali if I was. Oh well, gotta play the new game and see how it works. I'll keep everyone posted as best I can.

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    Wrong time of year, man. hehe, I'm pretty much stuck waiting to see what happens here. I had a big fork on my xmas list, but I'm waiting now...

    Besides, it's a medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    Well, since the bike hasn't (hadn't) even been abused yet, I hadn't had it long enough so I'd say freak failure and rest easy my friend.

    I'm taking the frame down today and the Giant rep is supposed to be in next week or something, they were a bit vague but I'll get details today. It should be a no-brainer as the frame is less than 2 months old and still looks like new, besides the obvious.

    I'm already wishing it was SC I was dealing with... I'd have an RA# by now and it would be on it's way to Cali if I was. Oh well, gotta play the new game and see how it works. I'll keep everyone posted as best I can.
    For what it's worth - I have read nothing but good stuff about Giant's handling of warranties - if you haven't already, check out the Giant owners forum here on the site. Tell 'em you want a new frame + 10 Faiths in full DH dress for punitive damages & suffering....

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    The Truth is Jim,

    Usually you have to pay $2000 for a bike "handcrafted in California" to get a bike to break in that spot! You lucky dog, it took you way less money to pull it off.

    Welcome to the club!

    Time to get this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    Usually you have to pay $2000 for a bike "handcrafted in California" to get a bike to break in that spot!
    I was kind of skeptical when I got my frame of the structual integrity of that funky seat tube. And I wanted a Bullit, I feel so fortunate now to be riding on this $299 Giant.


    I too have heard nothing but good things about Giant warranty service, and I'd like to hear how this one goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbdirteater
    I was kind of skeptical when I got my frame of the structual integrity of that funky seat tube. And I wanted a Bullit, I feel so fortunate now to be riding on this $299 Giant.


    I too have heard nothing but good things about Giant warranty service, and I'd like to hear how this one goes.

    Cheers,

    Dave
    I've seen photos of 01-02 AC frames cracked/broken in two there, but I thought this new version of that funky bend was supposed to eliminate that. The paint is stressed 1/2 way round the tube above the paint chip. I believe the actual crack is just a couple mm below the weld, still under paint.


    I was actually thinking about another Bullit before I got this, but at the price...

    Anyway, I've got to figure out if I can piece together a ride for this WE. Time to go see the pusher-man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    I've seen photos of 01-02 AC frames cracked/broken in two there, but I thought this new version of that funky bend was supposed to eliminate that. The paint is stressed 1/2 way round the tube above the paint chip. I believe the actual crack is just a couple mm below the weld, still under paint.
    This is a bummer.

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    I was actually thinking about another Bullit before I got this, but at the price...
    I'm still thinking Bullit, next year. But also eyeing a Blur to replace my Giant XTC 3lb. hardtail frame. I like that Giant a lot, but it's all dinged up and dented because it's built like a Pepsi can. I'm surprised it's not cracked yet after the past couple of years. How long was that Giant warranty, anyway? Nevermind, that was the one I kept trashing internal headset bearings in and had to have the frame modified for a real headset.

    Out of all fairness to Giant though, their quality, welding and finish is usually very good for such mass produced imported frames. And this may be another instance of we get what we pay for. But I've broken steel frames before, so I'll shut up now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    I'm not familiar with the Faith. Got a link? The Chap's a nice bike, but it's like what, an 11 pound frame? I'm not a weight weenie by any stretch, but damn, that's a big fat azz! Specially for a 6" "trail" bike. You gonna' just use it for those Red Bull moments? Seriously, if you can spend a grand for a big hit frame, you can spend two or three, right (I saw that pimpin' rig you drive!)? Talk to Noel Buckley and see if you can't score one of his V-Tachs. That's a frame I'd like to have: pedals good, outstanding build quality, and fun to look at. Expensive, but you can save your money when you're dead.

    On the other hand, I've been unable to break my 4-pound frames for the last 5 or so years; hardtails don't experience a lot of the stresses a full-squishy does...of course I don't go around flinging myself off of cliffs like you guys do either.
    http://www.giant-bicycle.com/us/030....841&lYear=2004

    I personally think that it's pointless to have a bike that you can't ride both up and down (no offense to those of you with dedicated DH sleds). I just figure that the extra weight gives you a better workout - right? I'm a bargain shopper when it comes to bikes - whatever is good, and on sale...

    Maybe one day I'll spring for a nice ride - but for now I figure if I can't ride it like it's disposable, I spent too much on it. I built up a Voodoo Wanga (Reynolds 851) a few years back with XTR, etc... and ended up beating the snot out of it (it was meant to be a solid trail bike that would last me forever)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    Wrong time of year, man. hehe, I'm pretty much stuck waiting to see what happens here. I had a big fork on my xmas list, but I'm waiting now...

    Besides, it's a medium.
    But it will fit you perfectly! I'm six feet and one half inches tall!
    Even YOU can't break this frame!
    http://www.yeticycles.com/1_bikes/asx_sizing_04.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by s1ngletrack
    http://www.giant-bicycle.com/us/030....841&lYear=2004

    I personally think that it's pointless to have a bike that you can't ride both up and down (no offense to those of you with dedicated DH sleds). I just figure that the extra weight gives you a better workout - right?
    I like this analogy. And that's my excuse for cranking and dragging this 40 lb. "trailbike" uphill!

    Well, at least for having a granny chainring too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    But it will fit you perfectly! I'm six feet and one half inches tall!
    Even YOU can't break this frame!
    http://www.yeticycles.com/1_bikes/asx_sizing_04.html
    I think you missed the most important part of my reply, let me translate...


    "Wrong time of year, man." = -$

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    I think you missed the most important part of my reply, let me translate...


    "Wrong time of year, man." = -$
    I did hear you; I'm just giving you the hard sell.

    I'll hold it for you for a month

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbdirteater
    I like this analogy. And that's my excuse for cranking and dragging this 40 lb. "trailbike" uphill!

    Well, at least for having a granny chainring too...
    I used this excuse when I traded my skatepark bike for a roadbike last week. My reasoning for hitting the skatpark is to improve my skill on the trail (same thing goes for drops, urban, etc..) It doesn't make sense (in my mind at least) for me to ride 4 different dedicated purpose bikes - like I'd want to approach the wall (that now has stairs) in Deer Creek on my AC and be like: "damn, I'd ride up it if I had my trials hardtail". For me, it just makes sense to have one good, solid, all around bike - if I suffer a little bit more on the climbs, good - if I'm a little bit slower on the downhills, I need to refine my technique, etc...

    BTW Jim - "The Giant Slayer" sounds much tougher than "Kitchenware"

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    no no no

    [QUOTE=s1ngletrack]For me, it just makes sense to have one good, solid, all around bike - if I suffer a little bit more on the climbs, good - if I'm a little bit slower on the downhills, I need to refine my technique, etc...
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    If you're too slow on dh, it means one of two things: you need more travel, or you need less brakes.
    I am fully behind the theory of mtb travel relativity. 3" to a 150 lb 5'7" rider does not equal the same amount of cush for my large, um, self (at 6'2" 190 and gaining). I think 4 or 5" is getting there. 6" travel for me might equal a good 4.5" trailbike for said lightweight (average?) rider. I'm figuring 7" should be getting me finally to the land of heavy duty trailbike/ light free ride. And if I can still pedal it uphill, I'll be mighty happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    Found it cleaning after my ride this morning. I thought my shim was creaking for the last couple of days, but it turns out it wasn't the shim.

    *Edit for better pic*
    Jim you are a freak. You need to stop riding and take up knitting. That's what I'm doing, in fact it's all the rage these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kristian
    Are you going to be able to piece together than green machine between now and Sunday?
    Get this thing inoculated and we're just about good to go...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bicycle019
    take up knitting. That's what I'm doing, in fact it's all the rage these days.
    I'm getting ready to go knit one up right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    Get this thing inoculated and we're just about good to go...
    I'm home because of AVID today while everyone is out having fun at Palmer.

    I can with confidence say that I no longer suggest buying Juicys. My set is off for warranty and the loaner set was getting a hose replacement friday and self destructed. No matter what I did the b@stard wouldn't stop leaking... After about 6 bleeds it felt ok and didn't appear to be leaking any longer. WRONG! Went out to the research park yesterday and squeezed it and it started leaking around the compression nut. Put the wrench on it to back it out and see WTF was up and it flet like I had the wrong size wrench. Looked at it, NOPE, right size. Put it back on and the compression nut turned to dust, as in more that 10 pieces crumbling off it. Well, the part of the nut on the OUTSIDE of the lever body broke. There was still the thread portion in the lever body and there it was, a crack all the way in to the 'olive'... the source of my leak and why it didn't want to back out of it's hole. Did some searching and found out that I'm not the only one this has happened to as there is a great writeup in the reviews of this EXACT thing happenening to someone else, just look for the longest review. There's also mention of it on another website.

    So anyway, I tried to remove it the best way I could, wich was the same thing the dude did in the reviews (easy out)... Long story short... I need a new lever body now to replace the fvcking loaner brake because of a shitty little compression fitting. It simply didn't have enough meat for the easy-out to grab, too thin. Just what I needed, another broken part and TWO RIDES RUINED because of it! Not to mention the rides ruined by the original set farking up.

    Sorry for the rant, but I'm home and PISSED because I can't ride and I just bought myself a lever body, I suppose.

    Good news is, Avid is completely replacing the set that's off for warranty with '05, but I'm not sure if I want to put them on... Maybe I should sell/swap them for some Hayes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    I'm home because of AVID today while everyone is out having fun at Palmer.

    I can with confidence say that I no longer suggest buying Juicys. My set is off for warranty and the loaner set was getting a hose replacement friday and self destructed. No matter what I did the b@stard wouldn't stop leaking... After about 6 bleeds it felt ok and didn't appear to be leaking any longer. WRONG! Went out to the research park yesterday and squeezed it and it started leaking around the compression nut. Put the wrench on it to back it out and see WTF was up and it flet like I had the wrong size wrench. Looked at it, NOPE, right size. Put it back on and the compression nut turned to dust, as in more that 10 pieces crumbling off it. Well, the part of the nut on the OUTSIDE of the lever body broke. There was still the thread portion in the lever body and there it was, a crack all the way in to the 'olive'... the source of my leak and why it didn't want to back out of it's hole. Did some searching and found out that I'm not the only one this has happened to as there is a great writeup in the reviews of this EXACT thing happenening to someone else, just look for the longest review. There's also mention of it on another website.

    So anyway, I tried to remove it the best way I could, wich was the same thing the dude did in the reviews (easy out)... Long story short... I need a new lever body now to replace the fvcking loaner brake because of a shitty little compression fitting. It simply didn't have enough meat for the easy-out to grab, too thin. Just what I needed, another broken part and TWO RIDES RUINED because of it! Not to mention the rides ruined by the original set farking up.

    Sorry for the rant, but I'm home and PISSED because I can't ride and I just bought myself a lever body, I suppose.

    Good news is, Avid is completely replacing the set that's off for warranty with '05, but I'm not sure if I want to put them on... Maybe I should sell/swap them for some Hayes.
    i knew that there was going to be an issue with the juicys, sorry to hear your pain, im stuck working so i cant feel too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    I'm home because of AVID today while everyone is out having fun at Palmer.

    I can with confidence say that I no longer suggest buying Juicys. My set is off for warranty and the loaner set was getting a hose replacement friday and self destructed. No matter what I did the b@stard wouldn't stop leaking... After about 6 bleeds it felt ok and didn't appear to be leaking any longer. WRONG! Went out to the research park yesterday and squeezed it and it started leaking around the compression nut. Put the wrench on it to back it out and see WTF was up and it flet like I had the wrong size wrench. Looked at it, NOPE, right size. Put it back on and the compression nut turned to dust, as in more that 10 pieces crumbling off it. Well, the part of the nut on the OUTSIDE of the lever body broke. There was still the thread portion in the lever body and there it was, a crack all the way in to the 'olive'... the source of my leak and why it didn't want to back out of it's hole. Did some searching and found out that I'm not the only one this has happened to as there is a great writeup in the reviews of this EXACT thing happenening to someone else, just look for the longest review. There's also mention of it on another website.

    So anyway, I tried to remove it the best way I could, wich was the same thing the dude did in the reviews (easy out)... Long story short... I need a new lever body now to replace the fvcking loaner brake because of a shitty little compression fitting. It simply didn't have enough meat for the easy-out to grab, too thin. Just what I needed, another broken part and TWO RIDES RUINED because of it! Not to mention the rides ruined by the original set farking up.

    Sorry for the rant, but I'm home and PISSED because I can't ride and I just bought myself a lever body, I suppose.

    Good news is, Avid is completely replacing the set that's off for warranty with '05, but I'm not sure if I want to put them on... Maybe I should sell/swap them for some Hayes.
    Sorry to hear that Jim, atleast you're not the only one who had to sit out some rides today. What brakes are you going to get now? Or are you going to stick with your juicys? I can comfortably say that despite my Hayes not being the 'coolest brakes on the block' they definitely get the job done with no issues or problems.
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    Good news is, Avid is completely replacing the set that's off for warranty with '05, but I'm not sure if I want to put them on... Maybe I should sell/swap them for some Hayes.
    I knew there was some advantage to the good old Avid mechanicals. Only problem I've ever had with mine so far was my fault - running too short of a cable up front. I was contemplating the Juicy's for the next ride. I have heard a lot of people who love them. I've heard of a lot more issues with Hayes, maybe that's just b/c there are 100x the bikes out there with them?
    Looks like you're having a string of bad mechanical luck. Just be glad it's the bike's mechanics and not yours. I get cut on Wednesday to fix my knee...
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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    I can comfortably say that despite my Hayes not being the 'coolest brakes on the block' they definitely get the job done with no issues or problems.
    Just about everyone I know uses Hayes without problems, so that's what I'm getting. I have to fix these and sell my 05s first though.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    Just about everyone I know uses Hayes without problems, so that's what I'm getting. I have to fix these and sell my 05s first though.
    Sorry about the your juicy's...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpatterson6
    Sorry about the your juicy's...

    Jim,
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    Hope Mono!
    Or in your case Billy..... M6Tis on all your bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    Or in your case Billy..... M6Tis on all your bikes.
    I dont have Hope Mono's on my ds-1, but on my new ADR Cycles 4x bike I will have the Mono 4's. Also super sweet brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpatterson6
    Sorry about the your juicy's...

    Jim,
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    Hope Mono!

    I'll look into Hopes, never even been to their website... I think I'll do that now.


    Oh, and Tony... What size is your v10 again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    I'll look into Hopes, never even been to their website... I think I'll do that now.


    Oh, and Tony... What size is your v10 again?
    Medium.... feel free to try it out if you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    Medium.... any of you guys - feel free to take it and try it out for a year or so, if you want.
    Why yes, yes, I think that I would like that very much - thank you Tony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s1ngletrack
    Why yes, yes, I think that I would like that very much - thank you Tony.
    I do however require a $2000 deposit if you plan on doing anything more than 'curb hucking'....
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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    I do however require a $2000 deposit if you plan on doing anything more than 'curb hucking'....
    I think you may have missed my uh...modified quotation of your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s1ngletrack
    I think you may have missed my uh...modified quotation of your post.
    Like I said....it will require a $2000 safety deposit.
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    This evening I called Supergo to see what the Giant rep had to say, this is the response... First off, let me say that aside from me having to call them tonight, Supergo is doing ok. Now, on to what the rep had to say.

    Supergo tells me that the Giant rep said he didn't think it was a "warranty issue" and that it was the paint flexing/cracking. Uh, ok, I'm pretty sure that one should have been a no-brainer. So anyway, I'm told that he's going to try ('try' being the key word here) and look for a front triangle, but could not get a time estimate or even if it was going to happen for sure or be covered. ??? So I'm confused at this point and unsure what this means... Well, I know sorta what it means, it means I'm sitting here not knowing if my bike is going to be fixed or not and if so, how long is it going to take or if it's covered. Ughhhh

    I am also bothered by the fact that this fellow didn't think it was a "warranty issue".

    Anyway, I'll be waiting and posting when I hear something new. I guess if it gets nasty, I'll move it over to the Giant forum and unload over there.

    Tell ya what, it's nothing like dealing with Santa Cruz so far. At least with those bikes I had piece of mind when it came to warranty, with this.... well...

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